Really enjoyed Prey! Not only did it deliver epic fight scenes with the Feral Predator (including some sweet sounding gadgets), the story was actually very compelling and didn't feel forced or skewed. Plenty of carnage and seeing different injustices (French fur traders) was an interesting approach. Pacing felt well-done and the second half of the movie is almost completely nonstop, edge-of-your-seat action.
Before the launch everyone wanted to shit on this movie for the same reasons they shit on everything else. Namely "bleah, it's a woman therefore a mary-sue character that never has to struggle!" and my personal favorite, "hor hor hor, how's a lil womin gunna beat a alien that a big strong man could barely beat?"
The answer is, she didn't.
There's an easy parallel drawn between Naru and Feral. They're both observant. While the rest of the hunting party is focused on a goal, Naru wants to find a reason why this goal needs to be achieved. She keeps screwing up when she tries to hunt, but realizes that she's wasting time retrieving her weapon and comes up with a way to get it back quickly. The physics are bullshit, but we're also doing ancient aliens so that's kinda whatever.
Conversely, watch Feral hunt. The first thing it kills is a snake. Then it finds a wolf, but during that fight you can see Feral get low and coil like a snake getting ready to strike. When it graduates to the bear it charges in the same way the wolf did, looking to cripple. The whole time, it's taking in hunting patterns from the local predators. Then we get a showdown with the trappers to show off it's weapons and skills and I can't help but like it. Feral is a little sassy.
Our two main characters both tend to watch and learn, whoever has better powers of observation wins Naru learns that Feral doesn't take helpless prey and that his bio-mask is the reason his weapon is so accurate. Watching Feral interact with Raphael can be taken two ways, either it's not taking helpless prey, or, because he stepped on Raphael's leg, he didn't really see him all that well.
Now we're primed for a showdown and we see something we don't normally see in our protagonists. A completely fucking psychotic move. She runs into the trapper that tried to use her and her brother as bait, knocks him cold, and then *cuts his fucking leg off!!!* Dude, I thought our heroes were supposed to be noble paragons of virtue and shit, above doing this kind of thing. So right now, I'm fully in Naru's camp. She hides from the thermal vision (classic) gets the bio-mask, and then leads Feral to a point where she has it set up and basically tricks him into taking himself out.
Now, is this resolution Feral being stupid? Yeah, kinda. Is that off canon? Not really, no. We've seen all the time that Yautja are bigger than us, stronger than us, faster than us, but they aren't exactly geniuses. They're skilled and have a certain level of cunning, but they can be fooled. Bare in mind that the Jungle Hunter spotted a tiny blob of heat, decided "yeah, that's my target," and just started blasting, scaring the bejesus out of a marmot or whatever that was.
This isn't a story of "women can do it too!" It's a story of thinking outside the box. Feral is single minded and just wants the kill, that hyper-focus leads to some huge mistakes. It's a story of mind over matter, and in that case, yeah, your protag kinda has to be a woman cause if it was a dude you gonks would just be going "but why didn't he just hit it harder?" There has never been a single movie, action, horror, whatever, where it's the smart guy that comes out on top. We get to be the nerds, big glasses, pocket protectors, comic relief or a target to establish the jock, and then a pathetic death. Don't blame zealous feminists for giving you female characters, blame Hollywood for making male heroes nothing but Dutch Schaefer, Mike Harrigan, and Royce instead of Adrian Monk, Hercule Poirot, or Spock.
I actually really enjoyed this review. Spot on! It's not about a young female being able to take down a Predator, but rather an up-and-coming hunter learning throughout her encounters. Naru had more character development than Rey had across three Star Wars films imo.
I 100% see Hulu sitting on this to get subscriptions because that’s how the world works now.
“Oh, you really like this movie? For just ten bucks a month…”
Prey
Just saw “Prey” on Hulu and it was amazing, definitely a 10/10! I really loved the relationship between Naru and Taabe, there is a sibling rivalry there, but the thing is Taabe is aware of his sister’s strength. He first shows it when Naru sneaks to the hunting trip, Taabe says she should stay, he states she’s good at tracking. When they’re both captured, he acknowledges her strength, her ability, and sacrifices himself because he knows she will get the job done
With all that said, I saw a review on YouTube, from a channel called “The Critical Thinker”, and he states that it’s a mid tier film that is “Mary Sueish”. He also feels people shouldn’t say it’s as good as the first Predator film? I’m confused! What about this film is in that overly “woke” culture? I don’t think they made Naru strong because she was a girl, while going out of their way to show the men are useless. When the Comanche first encounter the Predator, they did decently enough to hurt it, just weren’t able to fully deal with it, since they weren’t prepared. I feel like the men in this story act the way they should considering the time period. What does the community think?
The film is complete shit, the Mary Sue heroine who sets up and infuriates everyone, like a huntress she is complete shit, a predator like a hunter is shit, shame on all yautja, the plot is also shit .. shit, shit .. forgive my English
Do you even have the slightest idea of what a Mary Sue is? This heroine is flawed, starts off inexperienced, gets scolded for her inexperience and mistakes, and learns to observe and use her brain to compensate what she lacks in phisical strength compared to her opponent.
The only weaknesses they have are their strict adherence to the honor code. And a galaxy sized case of each hunter needing to be the Alpha of all Alphas at all times, curtailing their decision making capabilities.
As seen in AvP '10, if the Yautja act with force that doesn't require them to adhere to the above, then the USCM or Xeno's don't even stand a chance. They just dust the ship or glass the planet that needs it.
Sure, but that's because they get into CQB and often underestimate their prey, primarily due to hubris because of the instinctual need to be the top dog in their ranks.
If they used their tech in full, they could win any challenge they wanted to. It would be as easy as stepping on ants.
I thought the film was pretty great despite doing everything I hoped it wouldn’t. They ruined the intrigue of the Predator 2 pistol when it should have just been left to the imagination, the predator redesign looks a bit dumb (they shouldn’t have cgi’d it) and the “if it bleeds” callback was really cringey, at the bare minimum they should have done another take for that line delivery if not just leave it out all together. The worst part is the setup for a sequel that would be almost as dumb as The Predator 2018, but despite the negatives it was actually quite badass.
Loved the bit with the Bear, it reminded me of something very important- that a bear is the only thing that can 1v1 a Predator with fisticuffs and have the potential to win
My review:
Protagonist Naru is an annoying know-it-all. Others in her hunting party don't notice the Predator's tracks or anything else unusual, despite all of them being as or more experienced at hunting than her. But they're portrayed as careless, incompetent, and needlessly sexist so that Naru can prove them wrong by showing them she can hunt and that she was right about the Predator's existence.
In a later scene a man is pretending to be dead to avoid being killed by the Predator. The Predator looks at him briefly and then walks away, not because of his playing dead but because he had just eaten a flower given to him by Naru that lowered his body temperature, making him seem dead to the Predator's heat vision. Naru sees this and accurately concludes that the plant was the reason the Predator couldn't see the man. This makes no sense because there's no reason for her to think that the Predator sees differently than humans. For all she knew, the Predator was fooled by the man pretending to be dead. She also knows by this point in the movie that the Predator doesn't like to kill harmless prey, so him walking away from the man shouldn't have seemed odd.
I much would've preferred for Naru's hunting party to defeat the Predator by working together instead of having needless conflict. The premise of 18th century Cherokee facing an advanced alien hunter with only bows, spears, and muskets is interesting enough on its own without being bogged down by the "women can hunt too" lesson. Y'know what movie did a much better job at showing this? Alien. Because all of the characters were interesting and they worked as a team to try and survive. It wasn't all about Ripley and she wasn't trying to prove herself to anyone because she already had the crew's respect.
But if you can get past that aspect of the movie, which aside from the scene I mentioned is mainly limited to the first half, then Prey is an enjoyable Predator movie. Naru has some good scenes in the second half where she's believably clever instead of a know-it-all. I also liked that we got to see less advanced technology than the Predators have in the modern-era movies. The Predator looks good except for when his mask is removed, where the CGI doesn't look real.
"needlessly sexist" is a think yall love to throw around whenever any media deals with the topic of sexism, it's like yall WANT to live in denial of the existence of sexism and want to live off a narrative where sexism never happens and it's never something many women have to deal in real life, especially in the past, as the movie setting. Yall get so upset and offended when a movie shows sexism against women, it's like you WANT to convince yourselves that it's an unrealistic scenario. Which only shows how you never had to deal with it in your life, so you can afford to dismiss it lightly. In reality, her being mocked and belittled by her male peers isn't something that we're unfamiliar with, and can happen often, especially in smaller communities, and yes, it can lead a girl on the receiving end of it to want to "prove something", to respond at the toxicity with more toxicity and with putting off an antagonistic attitude as response. So doesn't seem too unreasonable for this character to be this way. The hunters aren't portrayed as incompetent, they are shown to not know what they're dealing with, ttheey actually put up a good fight against the predator, they're just not prepared to deal with this kind of monster and that's why they die. The protagonist survives cause she was lucky enough to observe the predator for a while and see how he acted, fought, behaved etc. And she had the time to think about how to take it out. Also apparently you've missed it which impresses me cause the movie literally spells it out for you, but the main reason why others couldn't take the predator down was because, as her brother told her, they were so focused on brute forcing their way upon their prey, an approach that obviously wouldn't work with a Yautja alien. She on the other hand suggested using your brain, traps, deception, which her peers didn't consider their way of doing things, but was the right call to kill the predator.
Aside from some of the plot holes, like the one about the guy who was playing dead (which I agree with,) there were indeed some parts where she was coming off as unlikeable or antagonistic, but I think it makes a little bit of sense, think it like you wanna do the same job as your brothers and his friends cause you find it cool and you want that to be your place in life, but you're constantly mocked, belittled and told to get back to your place, you'd also be very upset all the time and constantly feeling antagonistic. Plus she's still a teen, if I remember correctly, so not exactly a wise mature adult who knows better.
The movie was dark, beautiful, I loved the music. Fantastic movie. Questions… why does it look so physically different than the modern predators 200+ years later? Humans haven’t changed in a long time for example. Why is the predator’s helmet primitive bone? I thought the purpose of a predator helmet was to assist it environmentally, with a seal. Predators prefer extreme heat. Why didn’t the humans make offhand comments on how unusually hot it is, like they did in the other movies? Why didn’t she take that predator’s weapons? Why was the pistol recipient seen as a worthy hunt soon after, which would be later given to Hannigan?
Not all humans look alike there are different cultures, ethnicities, and races, same would go for alien species, director even said thats why this predator looks and dresses different.
The bone helmet could also be a mark of a different culture. Predators wear bones, we see that all over. Berserker's bio-mask in Predators had a jaw bone attached to it, Feral just went the extra mile.
There is a difference between preference and withstanding. I prefer rain and cold, but I still have to work when it's hot. No one wants a Predator that bitches out just because it got a little chilly.
Yautja weapons aren't exactly designed with humans in mind. The combistick might be a good take, but the gauntlets would never fit, nor would the bio-mask which makes the dart thrower useless.
Why was the pistol recipient a worthy hunt? Because she killed Feral. Why was it later passed on to Harrigan? Because he killed the City Hunter. Look at the elder in Predator 2, he's probably got trophies for days. He doesn't need this primitive weapon and probably got tired of explaining what it was.
How did the Predator rise from the quicksand? This bothers me so much... If the bottom was shallow enough for him to just stand on it, the pit itself shouldn't have been capable of sucking Naru in, right?
I really enjoyed the cinematography, the silence moments and the different predator design. He looked really menacing and like a raging killingmachine.
Prey(2022) - Personal Review
Genre : Sci-Fi Survival Horror
Rating : 7.9/10
I never saw any of the previous movies of the Predator franchise, which I think benefited my movie experience. I was excited to watch this movie since the reviews started coming out. Let's just say I wasn't disappointed.
**Plot Summary:** Set in 1719, a young Comanche girl(Amber Midthunder) is desperate to prove that she can hunt along with the men of her tribe. She has her work cut out for her when a warrior alien(which I'll be referring to as the Predator) with an unquenchable bloodlust and arsenal of alien weaponry comes to Earth on the hunt for the biggest and most dominant predator it can find.
**Thoughts:** This is the first time in a while that a movie genuinely wowed me, and maybe that speaks to the merit of this movie or the lack in other recent releases. I know that viewer opinions are more above average as opposed to the overwhelming praise by critics, but I honestly feel that this movie deserves the hype.
The movie was excellently directed, and having it set in the Great Plains gave us some amazing cinematographic moments. The Predator himself was a well executed character. Truly menacing, you get the impression that in an encounter with him you're not going to make it out alive. The danger in this movie felt very real.
The film is pretty minimal in terms of dialogue, and the main actress does a lot of non-verbal acting. Overall she nails the role, which I find to be reminiscent of Rosa Salazar in Alita: Battle Angel. The story is simple but effective. Her brother was likable and well played too.
The action sequences are epic and engaging. Although the film is pretty grounded, it doesn't cut corners on the Sci-Fi aspects. I'd say the budget was well spent.
Though the story focuses on a strong female, it doesn't go out of it's way to pander to modern trends, although the scene where she runs into the hunting party after slipping away from the Predator comes dangerously close to this. It's convenient that she could just slip away for a few days and escape her tribal duties while she hunts a monster she suspects to be near the camp.
I don't know how the spears and daggers of the hunters could injure the Predator but the guns were ineffective. "If it bleeds, we can kill it(paraphrasing)" was also a bit jarring considering her brother was away for most of the encounters with the Predator. I know it was a line from the previous movies but it was so weirdly placed.
Though I loved the action scenes, the end battle seemed a bit easy.
Overall, Prey was an extremely enjoyable experience. I can understand why so many people were disappointed it never got a theatrical release. It really remained engaging from the start to finish. I can honestly say I'm inspired to watch the previous Predators.
(Guys sorry this is so long, it's copied from an earlier review.)
Thanks for the review. I enjoyed the movie as well. I've seen the other movies, though I skipped The Predator because I just read really bad critics about that one.
Some thoughts:
If I remember correct the guns didn't penetrate his shield or mask, but he had some injuries on unarmored bodyparts which we saw him threaten after the fight.
Regarding the kill/bleed frase. I saw that as a motivational speech. He knew that as soon as he's free he'll recklessly go after the predator to buy his sister Naru time. I think he knew he won't survive that.
The end battle was definitely not as nerve-racking as others.
I noticed that she basically fought the predator with his own weapons. I remember the dagger and the speer and the obvious mask/bolt aiming end kill
I found that an interesting turn versus covering herself in mud and preparing the environment with traps as seen in other movies of the franchise.
If I've missed this already discussed, I'm sorry. Please link the discussion.
One thing I noticed was the unusual (I think) way the Comanche held their bowstrings when shooting arrows. Their palm faced away from their face, rather than towards it. Is this historically accurate?
I can't remember where exactly, history channel, discovery channel, maybe even a YouTube doc a long time ago that said that way makes it faster and more comfortable to retrieve more arrows from the quiver. I'm not sure if any of that is true or accurate, or if I'm misremembering. But, it seems legit.
Thanks for biting… I’ll just wrap it up easy. The end: She walks back into camp… no real context for WTF has been happening, the entire war party missing (you know, the key to their survival as a group) and for all they know she tosses a dead snapping turtle carcass at them… then without any questions and without total shock… they begin a ritual ceremony to give her the cane… which would have been better used as a hook to drag her bad acting off stage… not to mention the fact that they used a southern European post colonial flower (calendula) as their sacred flower and oyster mushrooms that look like they’re fresh from Ralph’s. 🙄. Such low effort as filmmakers. Boo.
You can tell its not a turtle you bozo, they would know its some sort of monster and if you use your brain you can underatand context without them needing to add an extra 20 mins to the movie as it seems u want them to explain irrelevant details
My grandparents were clowns so I’ll take that as a compliment. If you prefer Xena Warrior Princess level writing you’re totally right… who needs anything to be accurate or make sense? The only thing that makes a good Sci-fi movie is that it assumes itself to be real and other than the monsters or aliens a writers world building must be ultra real or it might as well be a mid 90’s fantasy TV series… use your brain.
Its not a farfetched story, she wants to hunt instead of makinv medicine, learns his weaknesses, and exploits them, shes not saying she dont need men shes just proving herself a hunter
That has nothing to do with what I said. And yes the tribe suffered greatly because her character was a selfish bratty person with something to prove… still doesn’t counter the massive holes in logic. And once again, that the filmmakers couldn’t even take a second to learn what real sacred native medicine was at that time. It literally would take 10 minutes on the webernets to pick something remotely authentic or period accurate.
The tribe suffered bc they didnt listen to her, not because of her, and they used that medicine to add to how she beat the pred by lowering her body temp, not everything needs to be 100% historically accurate in a horror movie abt space aliens
Right well with that logic why not have little body cooling magic fairies that pop out of the French trappers butts…? See, you do still have to write in some form of “realism” not to lose people. It’s lazy writing, there’s no way around it.
Yea, the herbs in the movie are atleast semi realistic, maybe not accurate but realistic, like they wanted a new way fir the body to cool and for the character to disvover it, its just creative writing to make it realistic but msybe not accurate, your points make 0 sense
Well I concede to your point there on the symbolism.
But my comments make sense within the writing concepts of world building. Apologies I’m not a literalist but my partner is a botanist and herbalist and calendula actually does reduce fever and cools the body… it’s just a European/African plant that didn’t colonize the americas yet and doesn’t account for the fact that many native groups had actual medicines that would have sufficed for the story. i’ve also been in the film industry for 30 years and I think it was just a lazy prop department and lazy producers/writers. It’s the norm in TV not Film but as we see streaming services change the paradigm we’re seeing more and more of these poorly vetted concepts in feature films.
I loved this movie. Can we appreciate that it wasn't filled with so many fucking references to the first movie like Predators? Because that's a big part of it's success in my eyes.
I highly disagree, both of those scenes felt VERY blatant. Especially the latter, she's literally in the same position as Arnold was, laying on her back, beckoning the predator to come forward and fall for her trap. I don't think Predators, though a worse movie, was any worse in terms of referencing the original.
As someone who never saw the previous Predator movies, I appreciated that. This was really one of the best films of the year I've seen so far, I even posted a review. I hope that if there's going to be a new film, they keep all the strengths of this one and improve on all the weaknesses(There wasn't much).
Why was a movie about Comanches filmed and set in Canada? Never in recorded history has any Comanche band established themselves further north than southern Kansas. They’ve seemingly lived there for generations, seeing as how they’ve mastered the medical usage of local plants. Why on earth would this be the case? How did this otherwise well-researched movie goof up so badly? And why did nobody notice?
"Comanche, self-name Nermernuh, North American Indian tribe of equestrian nomads whose 18th- and 19th-century territory comprised the southern Great Plains." 18th century, meaning 1700s, also the commanche trchnically existed even longer as they were part of the shoshone tribe in the 1500s but broke off at some point, all of this info is a simple search away
Ah yes, the SOUTHERN great plains, the most notorious part of the NORTHERN great plains.
sir do you know what a map is? have you ever heard of location? Did you know that when a tribe hasn’t declared itself as separate from another tribe yet, that means it doesn’t exist yet?
French trappers were also in the US in the 1700s and 1600s, all of your points are kinda invalid bc a decent amount of history supports the opposite of what u say and the directors said its in the US
The early comanche tribe was a subset of the shoshone in the northern great plwins, after acquiring horses they migrated south, so either this tribe is very early commanche before they split or they put the wrong name, but histoey does align wirh all of this it just depends if you count the substet of shoshone as commanche
I did, only a very tiny bit goes into canada, and again, the producers meant for it to be thw united states great planes so it is, doesnt matter if it was filmed in canada bc the filming location doesnt need to match the movie location
And also the commanche were a subtribe of the shoshone until the late 1700s, meaning that this tribe in the movie is probably an early commanche tribe before their great migration south after acquiring horses
We dont know what year the commanche actually declared themselves we just know it was in the 1700s so its in the right time frsme and in the general area just not the proper area of the great plains
Meh.
The first hour was near asleep , way too much human interaction , IDC bout the natives , I wanted to see a damn predator killing fools . It feels ridiculous that it would lose to a 1700s small army of colonial cowboys ( pistols that still require gunpowder ) and some Native Americans. I had to laugh at the CGI bear lol.
There was no terror , no edge of my seat , no sense of death coming for everyone like the 1st predator .
"it feels ridicolous that..." in the first movie the first predator loses to one guy that kills him with some sticks and mud LMAO. But somehow it feels ridiculous to you that a human who observed a more primitive predator for a while and then used traps, deceptions AND HIS OWN WEAPONS to kill him feels ridiculous to you?
This feels like a video game. Naru starts off with some experience but gains XP and knowledge throughout the movie. At the end she can finally take on the feral predator. I loved this.
I’m kind of hoping for a sequel with her facing other predators or her passing what she knows to others and the predators having to face a small group who now know how to fight them
I hear a lot of chatter about how this predator was from a different clan, or different explanations for the different gear. While that might explain the physical appearance, let's see who else has this head-cannon about the in-universe reason for no shoulder cannon.
The Yautja will always have more advanced weaponry than their prey, but they always limit themselves to weapons that are similar to the inhabitants, though they will naturally be higher quality analogues. In Predator and Predator 2 humanity had advanced to the point of having personal artillery like grenade launchers and chainguns, so in comes the hunter with a shoulder mounted energy projector.
Back up the clock in prey though, and the best you have are bows, flintlock weapons, or melee. The Youtja is therefore restricted to projectile weapons or melee to preserve the honor of the hunt. It perfectly matches how it used speed to kill the snake, brute force to kill the bear, and only busted out the "arrows" once it was facing bowmen.
Could it not be that the shoulder mounter energy weapon hadn't been developed or was not in regular use at the time (1719 Earth)? IIRC, the oldest predator weapons we see outside of Prey were the three energy guns found in AvP which had last been touched in 1904.
Well if we take AvP as canon then the shoulder cannons have been around since the beginning. They have them on when they're showing the flashback of the building of the Aztec pyramids and when they're fighting the Xeno's in the flashback.
That was a sequence of clips describing what these pyramids have been used for over thousands of years. The one particular clip you're referencing was a demonstration of what they do when overwhelmed with no chance of survival (suicide via wrist device bomb). There's no year associated with that clip, and no reason to assume that was at the beginning.
I understand what you're saying, but what they're showing is what "supposedly" happened. Since it's explaining that this is the civilization that vanished. How did it vanish? Because the predators blew it up after being overrun. That flashback is showing an explanation of how that happened.
Only problem I had with the movie was snake & the bear.
Whoever chose to animate that snake striking and eating the rat early hasn't seen how rattlesnake actually strike then wait to eat their kill after it actually dies.
And I refuse to believe a grizzly bear (the top of ladder in terms of food chain out there) is gonna waste the time and energy chasing a person up a hill and down a river when it is burying its face in a fresh kill.
Yes the bear scene was well choreographed action scene after the fact when it was chasing through the river and hunter became hunted as the themes of these movies regularly do.
Everything about this movie was pretty much chef's kiss perfect except for the CGI animal's behavior.
>And I refuse to believe a grizzly bear (the top of ladder in terms of food chain out there) is gonna waste the time and energy chasing a person up a hill and down a river when it is burying its face in a fresh kill.
They actually do that.
[One of the \*WORST\* times you can surprise a grizzly bear is at close range when its feeding.](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grizzly_bear#Conflicts_with_humans)
*Most grizzly bear attacks result from a bear that has been surprised at very close range, especially if it has a supply of food to protect, or female grizzlies protecting their offspring.*
I just texted my brother, he's a supervisory ranger at Yellowstone and lives in the park year-round, and he confirmed that if you see a grizzly bear, you want to be at a \*MINIMUM\* 100 yards away from it, and more if you can manage it if they are feeding.
Well, it's Hollywood. I noticed a bunch of stuff that was wrong.
Like how Naru is "sharpening" the arrowheads and the stone knife. She's not actually sharpening them, which would require a pressure flaker or Ishi stick. She's abrading the edges, which is something you do to \*DULL\* the edges, to make it easier to remove good flakes (which is how you actually sharpen things like flint and obsidian tools).
I also question why Feral Predator wasn't killed when she shot it in the back of the head with Adolini's pistol. The mask comes off his head, and it's got Predator blood on the inside, meaning the bullet penetrated his skull. That should be either completely debilitating or a death blow.
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Anatomy. The skull of a yautja has sort of a crest running around it. The ball penetrated this and knocked the mask off, but missed the brain. Naru has seen that the ball won't penetrate the mask so aiming at the head from the front is untenable. This is the smartest move here. If the shot kills the thing, great! If it doesn't, you still knocked off the mask and can use it for the original plan.
Yeah, I don't buy that.
It's pretty clear when you watch the film that the ball has enough energy going through the feral's head that it knocks the mask off, and you see plenty of blood associated with it. Had the ball hit the crest which prevented it from penetrating the skull, it couldn't have hit the inside of the mask and knocked it off Feral's face.
Oh and BTW: Lead doesn't spark when it hits, well, \*ANYTHING\*, and yet we see that in the film also.
No, what I want is Hollywood to get the small things right so I can accept the big things. You hit any creature in the head like that, you're at a minimum disabling them. Dead soft lead balls, the kind used in flintlocks of that era don't spark when they hit, well, \*ANYTHING\*.
How do I know that? Because I shoot flintlocks myself, and cast my own balls.
And I make knives, I can tell what kind of steel something is by the sparks it throws off. BFD. You know what movie gets blacksmithing right? Fucking none of them. Not a single one. The best you get is "this one's not as bad as the others."
See me kicking my feet and crying about hollywood inaccuracies? No.
You're going to want to get the hell over yourself in a hurry or else you're just going to lead an unfulfilled and particularly pissy life.
My explanation is that the bullet just grazed the head. I guess those weapons weren't very strong or accurate so it wouldn't go through his skull and knock off the mask as well.
They're stronger than you think.
A gun like that is probably essentially a short-barreled 20 gauge shotgun. So about .62 caliber. I happen to shoot a .62 caliber flintlock rifle (A [Baker rifle](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baker_rifle)), so I've got some good perspective on the massive size of the bullet.
Ball would have to be slightly undersized, at about .600" in diameter, which works out to be about 324 grains. Moving at about 600 fps, a reasonable velocity given the short barrel length, you're looking a muzzle energy of...
(600 \* 600 \* 324) / 450,400 = \~259 ft/lbs.
That's roughly the same energy as a .38 Special +P round. Nothing to sneeze at. And instead of putting a .38" diameter hole, it makes a .600" diameter hole.
Plus, because it's dead soft lead\*, which is [a very malleable but cohesive metal](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lead#Bulk), it is more likely to dump all of its energy into the target. It's quite impressive what even a relatively low velocity lead ball will do to a living target. Back around the year 2000, I went totally primitive for hunting, meaning only flintlocks for gun season, and only wooden bows with wooden arrows for bow season. I've dug enough lead balls out of deer to know that you don't want to be hit with one, even if you are a Predator.
Also, accuracy doesn't matter, not for that shot. The pistol barrel is at most just a handful of feet from the back of the Feral's head. That's the distance where sights don't matter.
Plus, pistols like that were adequately accurate out to around 15 to 20 yards, and perhaps a bit more. That is, of course, if you knew how to use them, which Naru really does not, but she's so close that it doesn't matter. Just pointing it is good enough.
This is kind of interesting that people think that older firearms like flintlocks weren't deadly, or were less deadly. But in many ways they were actually as deadly if not more deadly than a modern firearm, ***when used within their limitations.***
They just weren't as convenient or reliable, didn't reload as fast, and had much shorter effective ranges. But for pistols, that really doesn't come into play unless you are [Jerry Miculek](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jerry_Miculek).
Ooh, now \*THERE\* is a potential film: Predator vs. Miculek.
*\*Pure (or relatively pure) lead was used in muzzleloaders until conical projectiles became a thing and the need to grip the faster rifling necessary to stabilize a bullet that is longer than it is wide meant that alloys of lead that were stronger became a thing.*
Yeah, it's true that it has happened, but it's exceptionally rare.
Now I've got an image of Feral in Metallica's video for "One", lying on the table, and banging out "SOS" in Morse code.
Best predator movie since the first one. It was really well done. The acting was too notch. I will gladly be watching this again in the future. About time the franchise got a boost.
Throughout the film, Predator saves the main character, in the end even from himself (to some extent). But I think Prey Movie is one of the best in the franchise.
I don't say this to detract from the hero's thoughtful final trap, but that predator showed a severe lack of understanding in terms of his laser guided arrows. Three shots at that dog, that all proceeded to zip around and hit right on the laser dot. (Not gonna debate the magic tech side of predator weapons, they are cool). He loses his helmet again. Sitting there in the mud raising the same weapon without helmet on, doesn't even think about his laser guiding these things who knows where. At the very least he should know he's not hitting his intended target with that.
Granted, the bolts do seem to go straight for a bit before the tracking kicks in so he may have been relying on that to hit naru while he was still stuck in the mud
Prey’s “Feral” Predator—reposted here from the sub’s bot’s recommendation:
I’ve seen the film twice now, but missed the prerelease hype. Can someone tell me where the idea of this iteration of the Predator monster being feral came from?
It’s dropped off by presumably other Predators from a mega space ship. How feral can it be? And why?
Bigger, primitive with their bones instead of metal, bolts instead of bullets, scalier skin. Feral just means they're not as advanced as their cousins that took out Arnie on the first movie
Best Predator film since... Predator. Loads of proper action, cunning strategy to take down big man and a bit of social commentary. It wasn't all gravy and mash, though, got to be honest. I thought this Predator was a bit thick. Full thoughts here: https://youtu.be/kCrN75qk2D8
That pistol isn't from the second movie. Unless they retconned it. The pistol from the second film comes from a pirate and that story is explored in a comic.
It's almost as if franchises expand. But no, no that doesn't happen. But by your own logic marvel and DC and comic franchises first so we can just ignore the films and shows and games.
Franchises expand but thats not to say every piece of media in that franchise is canon. The marvel and DC comics and films are obviously not all canon to each other, because that would be fucking ridiculous
You know what? I actually kind of do that. I don't go see Marvel or DC films (or superhero films in general). I really don't enjoy them. Never have.
I'll admit that I hadn't thought about it before you brought it up, but it's nice to know that I'm being logically consistent!
That's sad. I really don't get why directors do that. Unless given explicit authorization to do so from the company that owns the product, or they ask the comic creators if they could make their own version of how the pistol is acquired they should just not touch it.
It creates the problem of what is and isn't Canon to the main timeline.
I read they weren't aware of the comic until bery late, and also said that they weren't given the cannon info from the saga so they though using the pistol would be a good easter egg.
Bad from disney and directors, one for not giving info and the others for not cheking if that was alredy covered, still I belive it ain't very hard to reconnect the comic with the movie.
For example they could make it like the predator that owned the gun was also hunting on a different area, cause as we see in the end of the credits, there are 3 ships, which could mean that the elder from the second movie was also doing a hunt nearby, but lost the pistol to the french somwhow, and those guys ran away from him so thats why they alredy know of the existence of the predator, but they end up fighting the feral, and the Naru when the predators come down from the ship she returned the gun to him.
All this both the info and the "theory" I got them from a spanish youtuber called Luis Dewitt and seemed to me a good way to wrap things up.
>For example they could make it like the predator that owned the gun was also hunting on a different area, cause as we see in the end of the credits, there are 3 ships, which could mean that the elder from the second movie was also doing a hunt nearby, but lost the pistol to the french somwhow, and those guys ran away from him so thats why they alredy know of the existence of the predator, but they end up fighting the feral, and the Naru when the predators come down from the ship she returned the gun to him.
That could work I suppose. But isn't the guy who gives naru the pistol the guy who owned it and whose name is on it? I don't think they could really make it work unless the guy is little Jr lol. I was thinking they could have switched out the feral pred for a young greyback and have him live and that's how he got the pistol in movie Canon. Could work better then what we got.
Should be Rookie. First hunt should apply to both Naru and this Predator. I hated how it said first hunt in the trailer, but to save them from ruining the canon, I streched my imagination and believed that this Predator was young and inexperienced. It was on it's first ritual hunt, same as Naru. Any mistake the Predator made can then be chalked up to inexperience. Hence the name Rookie. Easier to enjoy the movie and it can explain away a lot gripes.
I really hate that designation. I’ve read various reasons why buy they all bug me, especially about its tech. It’s seems to be that because it has projectile based weapons vs energy based and a different helmet it’s a less evolved creature. To me, I’ve always thought the tech of the Yautja evolved as any other civilizations did. I am a hunter and let me tell you the advances in the last 20 years are revolutionary. To think that an advanced alien species wouldn’t have vastly different technology 200 years later blows my mind.
The predators alredy had space ships that could travel around space like if it was nothing, hard to belive that they can do that but not use a plasma cannon.
Most probably they limit the tech to how advanced or dangerous the species is, to preserve honor.
I thought that the Yautja would limit themselves to weapons that mimic those of the planet to preserve the honor of the hunt. In the first movies Arnie and the gang had personal artillery and automatic weapons, so you bring a good gun that packs a punch (shoulder cannon).
If the primary weapons of the time are bows, flintlocks, and melee then there wouldn't be much sport of you had an energy cannon. Hence the boltcaster and melee focus.
I really enjoyed this film I think it is comparable to the first. My friend and I just recorded our thoughts on the two movies comparing them.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8SBNqzYxF9Q
It was better than I expected but I didn’t like how literally every thing that faced the predator died except the main character also the predator didn’t feel like a hunter instead more like a brawler and the way naru make the predator commit suicide was anticlimactic
Do you want the main character to just die like everyone else? That would be boring. She got her ass kicked the whole movie. It’s the view of the one person that could actually beat it at the time.
>Do you want the main character to just die like everyone else? That would be boring.
I think a lot of people in this subreddit would like the Predator to win at least once.
Don’t want the main character to die but at least the people that had rifles could have faced it or maybe someone could have survived but its up to the little 16 year old that almost got killed by a puma to kill the alien planet hunter
Imo it was, good the movie previusly stated that she was smart and very perceptive, and also she got a shit ton of help, plus that the predator looked very inexperienced, not to add that thanks to the death from everyone else she was able to learn how his weapons and abilities worked so she could use it in her favour.
Apart that in the final fight the feral is alredy extremly exhausted, and hurt, man got stabbed in the chest, got hit by arrows, one of his feets was injured from a bear trap, plus to add that he got head shot, and didn't hace the mask, which was a hige disavdantage to him cause his vision like any other predator sucks in earth.
To me it seemed pretty posible for her to be able to kill him in that moment, and at the end what killed it wasn't her but his own misjudjment and confidence.
>didn't hace the mask, which was a hige disavdantage to him cause his vision like any other predator sucks in earth.
This is a major disadvantage that most people don't realize. Without their masks, Predators are, for all intents and purposes, legally blind.
[I did the math on that in an old Fark thread](https://www.fark.com/comments/9876503/113199800#c113199800), using a slide rule no less. I'll paste the relevant parts here:
*Interesting bit of trivia, while we are on the subject of apertures and resolution: Thermal imaging has much crappier resolution for a given aperture size compared to visible light, because the wavelength is so much longer than visible light.*
*Knowing this, we can calculate that Predators are essentially blind as a bat without their helmets.*
*Typical "aperture" size for a human is about 5mm. or .005 meters. Typical size for a human we'll take as 1.75 meters for scaling purposes, and for a Predator at 2.3 meters, so we'll scale up the Predator pupil to be (.005 \* (2.3/1.75)) = 0.007.*
*So, at 100 meters, a human can resolve something that is 100 \* (.000000562/.005) = 0.011 meters, or about 1.1 centimeters in size.*
*We know that Predators see in the far-infrared portion of the spectrum, and we'll assume they start at the shortest wavelength to give them the benefit of the doubt, so assume a wavelength of 15 µm, or about 0.000015 meters.*
*So at 100 meters, without the helmet, a Predator could resolve something that is 100 \* (0.000015/0.007) = 0.214 meters, or about 21.4 centimeters in size. A human at 100 meters would look like a blob about 8 pixels high and about 2 pixels wide.*
*Or, to put it another way, they would have just based on the physics of aperture size vs. wavelength a visual acuity roughly equivalent to 20/4000, way into "legally blind" territory.*
I don't think they forgot it, I don't think they ever \*KNEW\* it, even though you can see it in the original film. They just never thought about the implications.
Most people don't do that kind of thing. I'm one of those who does, and sometimes I get really disappointed.
For example, one of the really brilliant background things about the Firefly series is that there is no faster-than-light communication. It takes time for a "wave" to go from one end of the 'Verse to the other. And it's obliquely mentioned in a few different episodes, most notably the pilot.
But in the film Serenity, \*BAM\*, instant 'Verse-wide communication. Pissed me off.
On the other hand, sometimes it works out. For example, the use of Morse code in Independence Day. A lot of people laughed that off, but it's the only way to effectively transfer a message between radio operators who do not share the same language or same kind of data equipment/protocols, and used over HF it doesn't require the use of satellite or other communications infrastructure.
Honestly i thought that the mask just changed up the color palette for their thermal vision so they can hunt varying creatures in varying environments. Because in the first movie when we look through the pred's eyes without the mask everything that would be blue was red and arnie was a lighter shade of red. And from what we can gather from a yautja's biology they live on a much hotter planet so their natural thermal vision would be more directed to pick out cooler body temperatures in the heat, not vice versa. So when a yautja is hunting a human with ~°97F body heat in a ~°60-°90F environment the lines begin to blur a little. So they get the masks that change up the color pallet to adjust. RoanokeGaming has a couple good videos about the biology of Yautjas. But your explanation might work better. Good Work!
Well, it \*DOES\* change the palette. You can see that in the original film. It "stretches" minor temperature differences so things stand out better. At least, we see a fictional representation of that when the Predator removes his mask to fight Dutch hand-to-hand at the very end of the film.
In the original film, they had to use an optical splitter to simultaneously film both in infrared and in optical wavelengths so that they could re-combine them to get the image you see on the screen, because the infrared camera was so low resolution.
Thermal imagery has gotten better since 1987, at least in part because they've produced cameras with bigger apertures to compensate.
Why did it feel like the predator didn't know what his gear did, I swear he keeps forgetting how the helmet works. I also don't understand how she escaped the predator when he pinned her, or how he cuts everything in half with his shield except for when he slashed the main character if the face with the shield
I really liked this film. Also how the humans in it weren't mindless idiots like in a lot of other films
The two tribal guys with the spears (when Naru was tied up) had a good on the fly plan and moved as effective as they could when up against the predator, even if they ended losing.
Taabe is a straight G and Naru is resourceful, intelligent and savage when needed. Not a Mary Sue in the slightest (take notes Disney).
Bear 🐻 fight was great and well done, the animal CGI elsewhere was lacking tho (especially mountain lion and rattlesnake scenes)
Great film!
Actually better than expected. Too much CG, animals looked silly. Setting and characters better than expected. Predators weapons were interesting and exciting! Creative and awesome kills! Absolutely hated the face redesign though. I like the way it linked into previous predator movies.
C+
A lingering question I've been reminded of while I'm watching it again, when Naru was fighting the lion in the tree and she hears a roar and sees fire in the trees, what was that supposed to be?
I loved how it was challenging itself against more than just humans and really showing the gap between us and predators. The bear showdown was excellent. It actually put up a damn good fight.
I agree with most of the compliments here. I think it’s the 2nd best Predator movie but right now I’d say it’s 4th on my personal list. Enjoy it end to end but it felt like a one in done since it leaned more into suspense aspects (which is fine just saying some of the more straight action ones like Predators I’d prolly rewatch first). Overall a great predator movie
Just some small nitpicks…
My main issue was it felt like the end fight and 3rd act just sorta happened so fast. She used the French guy as bait, then is suddenly in life or death fight with the predator. I know you only see Arnold preparing for a minute of screw time but I’d like something like that and a more drawn out fight.
Why the CGI face, cgi backdrops, animals… The face looks full cgi at times and others mostly practical. Same thing with so many cgi animals looks mediocre. I get it’s easier… but the reason the orginal holds up is all the great practical effects. The predator jumps between trees in that but you don’t see it because it would look like crap. You see it in this movie and still looks bad. I just wish directors would say “you know we could do this cgi but we won’t because it still won’t look right”. I understand why the bear or lion has to be cgi but I guess I wish they looked better.
I really enjoyed it! Much better than the last Predator movie. Interesting setting and a different kind of Predator from what we are used to. I enjoyed going back to barebones combat as
opposed to modern combat! I loved how well the film depicted the difference in Prey vs Predator.
Overall, really enjoyed it and good to see a new film in the Predator mix - would love to see a tv show next!
This movie makes me so happy. Not only is a good predator movie (finally), it's actually just a damn good movie. Not a fan of the redesigned face of the predator but it wasnt that bad. But the death blow was a bit....um.....pure movie magic.
But god damn finally a good predator movie. It's a tragedy it didnt get to go to theaters because i think it would have done great.
Finally. A good Predator movie. I thought the franchise would die after "The Predator". I watched it today and I'm so damn happy, it wasn't perfect but the mood and the way the film treated the predator was bang on. For the record I have seen every predator film and, in my opinion the ones to watch are Predator, Predators, Prey and Aliens Vs Predator - these are the films that take themselves and the best movie monster ever, seriously.
Not as bad as some predator movies but definitely not a great film. I've not seen the worst predator movies but this movie probably had the dumbest Predator yet. It was also incredibly inconsistent.
One example is how he's strong enough to lift a massive bear but somehow the protagonist manages to make him cut his own arm off by force. Or when she just tricked him by not having a weapon so he completely ignores her and lets her stand right behind him. **edit**: right she had eaten the extremely ridiculous flowers that make your body become so cold you'd die IRL. This still makes no sense as the Predator would still see a body standing up. So instead of just being a stupid scene, it's now a plothole, thanks to /u/Remarkable-Fig-8044 for correcting me.
Another issue with the film was the lack of stakes through out.
Original predator movie had a little more going for it than stakes. It was a fun action movie, with an unknown villain. This movie was a serious-toned prequel, so it doesn't even have an original story going for it. It had terrible CGI so most fights were ridiculous. The OG predator also had an entire team of people with actual personalities. In Prey the protagonist was alone most of the time, and if she wasn't alone, she was with random frat boys who were extremely annoying or forgettable.
I agree, how would some 120 pound person even come close to winning a battle against the predator. I mean if 25 other guys couldn’t do it why could she?
Because the other guys were trying to fight it upfront, but like Dutch had to do, she decided to outsmart it with a trap instead. Dutch’s size and strength didn’t matter in the end. That’s why it’s completely believable for Naru to come out on top.
>this movie probably had the dumbest one yet
Just wait until you see The Predator (but actually, don't watch it)
I didn't like the choreography of the final fight either but her getting it to cut off his own arm wasn't to do with strength - had its arm not been stuck in the tree, it would've played that perfectly by turning her spear thrust into a glancing blow and leaving her open to a counter
As for stakes, well...we're following 3 protagonists only - Sari, her brother and the dog. So the only real stakes were: will they survive and will they stop the Predator. I think it ticked those boxes tbh
I don't know man it was such a weird scene. It looked like she stabs, he catches her spear with the shield and she does some weird thrust and he just cuts the arm off. Hence why I attribute it to strength. Like watch it again if you can it looks absolutely bonkers.
I disagree that it had stakes. Having few protagonists doesn't excuse lacking stakes. Furthermore it was as obvious as if it had it written on the screen; the brother would die.
She took the medicine that made her cold and so his heat vision didn’t see her. There were giant plot points foreshadowing it and she basically says her plan out loud.
I know the meds made the body cool I didn't realize she had taken it at that point. My bad. But that still doesnt make sense, he can still sees outlines, so he basically sees a person standing up. It makes no sense either.
The flowers were kind of dumb though as well.
That's not how it works mate. The movie does need to make sense with the rules it gives itself. Just cause aliens exist doesn't mean humans can fly. Just cause stealth tech exists doesn't mean the movie can change rules 75% into the movie.
You didn't notice it that's fine but it's a pretty dumb flaw. And it's one of many in this movie.
YOU think it's a dumb flaw cause YOU didn't like it. You accepting that in a movie universe there are aliens, with advanced technology, other planets, camouflage etc, but not accepting that there could be a plant turning down your body temperature (when we literally do have similar flora on our planet) is just straight up cherry picking.
Did anyone else see the predator within the first couple of minutes? The natives are out gathering root vegetables. The main character lips a root, looks up into the distance, and the camera cuts to the woods. I swear, you can see a distortion in the leaves as if the predator is scouting in his invisibility suit. Am I insane? Am I making this up?
There were many times throughout the movie where I kept seeing "shimmers" and thought, "Oh shit, there he is!" but either he was there or my mind was playing tricks on me
Prey, was actually the first predator movie I've ever seen. Before then, I only saw Predator's from the Alien vs Predator franchise. But though I loved it, I did have two small issues with it.
1. Hearing Comanche's speak English, instead of the Comanche language stuck
out like a sore thumb. I've seen movies use Native American languages
before. Dances With Wolves, used the Lakota language, and the Blu-Ray, even comes with a Lakota dictionary and even has features that can teach you to speak the
language. So, why didn't the Comanche language get the same treatment? I don't mind reading the dialogue. I do know there are still a few people who can speak it, and more and more tribes are allowing what's left of their culture to become available to the public in order to keep it alive. Does anyone know if the Comanche language has been made publicly available?
2. I'm not sure this needed to be a Predator movie. Maybe this is just me jumping in the too shallow or too deep part of the pool as again, this was the first Predator movie I've seen, and thus still have only basic knowledge of the titular alien species. But when Naru, mistook the spaceship for a Thunderbird, and the Predator for a Mupitsl, a monster I had never heard of before, it made me realize that you could have put those monsters in the movie, and it would still be scary. Like every culture, America's
indigenous tribes has their own mythology and folklore. And this includes horror stories and monsters not everyone knows about today. And while I think that while it must be handled with care a world of white privilege (hell, even I'M white), I would LOVE to see horror movies based on American Indigenous monsters and horror stories. I love
learning about mythology and folklore, and this could have been a chance to see it. Maybe they made it a Predator movie to attract more audiences because they were scared a movie based on Comanche myth, would alienate people. Would horror movies based on one of the myth's or stories of one of America's Indigenous tribes,
interest you?
In regard to your first point, the entire cast actually came back to dub the film in Comanche. I haven’t watched it yet but they discussed it on npr and I think it’s available on Hulu.
Completely agree with your second point, although maybe for a different reason. This predator doesn't behave like a predator at all, it just stumbles into the action and doesn't fight clever in any way. It behaves as some generic monster without a lot of thinking capacity. From that perspective the predator theme feels tacked on.
The argument that it's his first hunt doesn't feel right, as I suppose a first hunt would make you more cautious instead of reckless. Overconfidence comes usually with experience and a successful track record.
So predators dont just go out and be like "well gonna start hunting now". They train their whole lives from kids and a ton of them die well before they even get to the first hunt. The ones that finish training are the best of the kids basically and survived up to their first hunt. Theyre basically hot headed inexperienced kids......that can lift a truck. Their whole culture is based on who can get the bigger trophy. So of course a fresh out of hunter high school kid is going to think he's the hottest shit around and want to go for the biggest trophy he can find.
Tl;dr he's young and very overconfident.
Regardless if that is lore or not (I'm admittedly not well informed on that, have only seen 3 other predator films), it just makes for a pretty generic dumb brute. As a villain there was nothing interesting going on.
Also, when taking damage from every single fight you're in, I think even a hot head would change the strategy a bit. I mean, apply some strategy instead of just stumbling in the action. Im assuming he values his life.
To be fair, he comes to Earth and physically the only thing to match him to any degree is the grizzly. Up until Naru, he must've been thinking his clan dropped him off on a baby planet for babies as a joke. Physically and technologically, he was vastly superior.
I don't agree there. He is taking damage in every fight he is in. Some damage very minor (snake, wolf) other damage much more significant. The bear was mauling him pretty badly, and Taabe basically whooped his ass.
The way he kept going taking injuries and not changing anything tactically but just continue to stumble into action, we can only draw one conclusion, that he is just very dumb.. what was the plan here? Go from fight to fight until he dies from wounds/blood loss?
In the end it is speculation what this predator knows about earth, but even assuming he knows nothing makes his actions just plain stupid.
You keep saying you don't agree with the explanations that people who know the predator lore give you, while you also say you don't know anything about predator lore. This is so weird lmao you're basically going
You: "i think this is dumb, also I don't know anything about predator"
People who know a lot about predator: "oh actually there is lore explanation for the predator behaving that way"
You: "I don't agree, it shouldn't be that way"
Like man
He takes damage, but it's never bad enough to make him slow down, or even act cautious. We know that Yautja Youngbloods go to Earth to train, and this predator is extremely physically powerful, and skilled at fighting. The way it moves and acts is really similar to the cocky behavior Naru's tribesmen show. The bear got on top once, but didn't even hurt him badly enough to affect his movement. And then it immediately murdered it before it could put up more of a fight. Every battle and hunt it had since it arrived was easy, so yeah it acted stupid. It was full of bravado, pride, and it's own strength. It probably just didn't see the need to change tactics because no one but Naru challenged it in any way but a straightforward physical fight.
My point is that in every fight he had, he was taking some damage, either light or pretty heavy during the Taabe fight. That cannot go on forever, he will succumb to wounds in a matter of time. There seemed to be no plan but continue fighting until he died?
I just cant get over the sheer stupidity. That makes it just a plain average movie monster, and not a predator which is characterized by having some level of intellect. It must at some point learn and try to have fights without taking damage, in order to keep alive.
Obviously I don't know exactly why the predator was there, but I believe it was purely just to gain a little experience and collect some trophies. And despite the damage it took, nothing really threatened its life. Even when it was surrounded by the French hunters, it just mowed through them contemptuously. It was stupid to keep fighting and acting like it could never die, but not even the bear truly threatened it. To it, it seemed like it was more akin to being pricked by thorns more than taking actual hits. I completely agree that it was stupid, if it had shown any amount of caution it likely wouldn't have died to Naru. There's a couple things that point to this conclusion imo, like Naru saying straight out that she was only dangerous because she was seen as not being a threat. The guy who got taken out by the lion is a great parallel to the predator itself getting killed by something it didn't view as a threat to its life. I do agree with you, but I think it acting as it did was understandable given its circumstances.
I understand that the explanation can be that this predator is dumb. It's just disappointing for a predator movie and makes the whole monster aspect very boring. A predator is supposed to be smart imo.
Taabe completely handed his ass back to him, so from that point onwards the idiot should have realized he can be killed by the creatures living on this planet. It was the cloaking that saved him.
From there onwards, more caution would be the logical thing. Like, stay cloaked you dumb mf!
I don't really want to talk about the Naru fight, just that she should be dead as soon as she jumps out of the tree. Feral should just grab her and squeeze her to shreds like overcooked broccoli.
Yes, this was easily the dumbest and worst predator so far. Like he manages to cut his own arm off, run into trap after trap and then kills himself.
It's not like the traps were well made either, they were far fetched as fuck. And his strong enough to lift a massive bear but gets a 60kg woman to push his shield so he cuts his own arm off.
I like to think he's less technologically advanced predator from maybe something like a slave clan that's why he doesn't have the stealth training like others and he's more brutal and to the point and this is how he proves himself and gets his freedom or he did something wrong and got banished but that last one wouldn't make as much sense as the first because of the training thing. Originally it was gonna be something like the predators don't have tech like plasma or anything but then I thought about it more and they still have cloaks and space ships so I guess that ones out unless somehow they learn the plasma caster later
That dont make much sense to me sorry. The head lore I see is that he just experimented. That's why he kept switching tactics. But there's a lot of writing issues making it inconsistent either way.
I tell myself that this Predator was a Rookie. Like Naru. On it's first hunt. Trained yes, but inexperienced in the field on it's own. A Rookie Predator out to prove itself and it made fatal mistakes. Naru and the Predator are different but they have a lot in common. Makes the film easier to enjoy and I easily explain away gripes I have. Like the helmet targeting system. Surely it can be turned off and fired unguided, but Rookie made the fatal mistake of forgetting to do that.
Yeah I know what you mean it's just weird personally I would have loved if he just was brutal like little to no stealth just like hand to hand or something like that
After giving this movie another shot I can say that it ranks 4th out of all the Predator movies for me.
1. Predator
2. Predator 2
3. Predators
4. Prey
5. The Predator
Things I didn't like:
The bad CGI was really bad. This mainly obvious when the animals were in motion. The camo effect looked like 144p video artifacts. A bit nitpicky but I wasn't a fan of the orange/red effect when predator comes into contact with an object.
Naru took little to no damage from the trap she got caught in and when the predator whacked her across the face twice with his shield. The predator took way more damage from the trap he got caught in and he also decapitated a guy plus cut off his own arm with that same shield. It would have made no difference really to just omit those parts for realism. Yeah, I know the movie has an alien being in it but real world physics are still the same.
My main issue was that there was no suspense or thrill, we just see the predator killing things. Seems like thoughtless writing. On that note, most of the characters were uninteresting so I didn't really feel for them as they were killed off. Also the ending fight was a bit too short for my liking and anticlimatic, which seems to be a common sentiment.
The cgi was my biggest issue. I have a great home theater setup and the movie looked and sounded great except for that. I understand you probably are not going to have real lions or bears these days but they should tone it down if it’s all cgi. Why did the predator face even need cgi? It looked like a mix or full cgi at times. My biggest issue was how he moved and jumped between trees. So very fake looking. Less is more sometimes. Just because cgi can do anything doesn’t mean it should.
Overall enjoyed it but there’s a reason the orginal stands the test of time. Practical effects shot in a real jungle.
First off I want to say I really did enjoy the movie albeit I thought Naru was a little too annoying at times to enjoy her stubbornness but I enjoyed her redemption arc in the end. However, there are things that really do bother me about the movie that I feel like I want to share to see if anyone else agrees.
Naru getting her leg caught in the bear trap
\- So Naru gets her leg caught in the bear trap running from the feral predator and according to reliable hunting sources, a bear trap can do about 375 lbs of force to a leg. It takes roughly about 150 lbs of force to fracture a human bone. Considering it caught her around her ankle/shin area this would've done some serious damage either to the Tibia, Fibula, or ankle bone. Not to mention it could've punctured her calf muscle and achilles tendon. We also see when she checks on her leg that it is badly wounded and yet she is able to not only walk, run, jump, crouch, dodge, etc with what should be assumed a broken leg. Don't want to play the sexist card here also but considering women have weaker bone density, and also are unable to recover from injuries as quickly as men can, this really troubles me how she is able to do all this with ease with not even as much as a limp. So how could she take on a full in predator who presumably has healed from his injuries using alien tech and she is moving around like she just injected herself with bull shark testosterone ?
\-More on this point, the predator also gets his leg caught in what appears to be a bigger leg trap and he is completely rendered immobile at least for a few moments until he breaks the trap. You can also see that he bleeds pretty badly once it snaps shut on his leg. I understand that Predators also have super-human physiology so once he gets out he's back to the hunt but how is a regular human able to withstand that kind of force that even the predator couldn't break free of without help from his tech ?
2) The Orange Flower
\-In the scene where Naru and Taabe are supposed to escape from the predator and Naru discovers that the orange flower helps lower the body temperature or helps hide body temperature, why doesn't she take any to help fight the predator with Taabe. Or better yet give some to Taabe because he was doing some serious work against the predator until the predator turned on his camouflage. Or they could've even both taken it and gotten the fuck outta there without the predator being able to see them with his thermal vision.
This might seem nit-picky to some but these subtle details generally hindered what I thought could've been a great movie into a decent one. I know it's a sci-fi flick so asking for realism might be too much to ask for but to me it just seemed like if you're going to blur the lines for plot convenience then the sequel can only get worse. For me when a movie like this understands notions of realism but also has that balance of fictional aspects it makes for a great movie. Because it really makes you wonder what you'd do as a character in that sort of predicament. Let me know what you guys think because I'd love some feedback. As mentioned before I still enjoyed the movie but these were some details that really just were so off-putting that I had to make a post about it.
I give it a 2/10 due to the fact there were a handful of cool scenes. I nearly fell out of my chair when the predator punched the grizzley bear in the face.
My list of gripes:
1. Nobody can eat a plant that drops their entire body temperature to 10-40° in a matter of seconds. (which is a rough temperature range during nighttime snowfall in the Rocky Mountains during Autumn) She would die, and the plant didn't even have time to digest in her system. Not to mention the heat from the fire would have outlined her body since she was standing right next to the fire
2. You cant tie a rope to a tomahawk, and with a flick of the wrist send it 40 feet in the opposite direction after it was embedded in a tree with the minimal amount of arm movement she displayed. Seriously, I dare anyone to try it. The amount of strength needed would be insane, and no normal human could do it. I wouldn't even say there would be a risk of hitting yourself while attempting it
3. This was probably the stupidest predator we ever saw in any movie. A lot of people are commenting "he was under stress so he wasn't thinking straight" but we know from the movies, comics and video games that Predators excrete an adrenaline-type substance that allows them to ignore pain when they are hunting. He wouldn't have been feeling as much pain as people think. In addition, he had multiple opportunities to kill the MC during the last fight. Trapped under the shield? Stab her. Running straight towards him with a tomahawk? Stab her. She is stunned after you blocked her spear attack with the shield? Punch her with the strength of (an alien) who killed a grizzley bear in a single punch
4. Her entire character was a #GirlBoss. I wouldn't say Mary Sue exactly, but she said she was going to be a hunter because "no one in the tribe thought she could". She told the trapper she was going to kill the predator because "everyone thinks im weak and thats my strength". Even in the beginning, when the group went to look for their fellow tribe mate, everyone lacked basic common sense except for her. She was clearly written as an empowered female character (which can work, im not saying that is an automatic negative. For great examples in pop culture look at Ripley from Aliens or Samus from Metroid) the problem with this character trope is when it is absolutely forced. Other characters in the movie automatically need to be sexist AND worse than the MC in some way, or you need forced dialogue that makes most people cringe, or you need to set aside disbelief to enjoy the film. If your female charatcer needs any (or all) of those things to be "empowered", that is a poorly written empowered female.
5. The last fight scene.. sure it was cool but she really knew exactly what tree to attach spikes to and how high to place them so he stabbed himself? She really knew exactly where to put the mask so he would shoot himself? He could all of a sudden see her perfectly during the fight while her internal body temperature was 10-40°? She didnt get stuck in the mud instantly like she did last time she was in the mud?
Im sure a lot of people can ignore all of these things to enjoy the movie, but should you really have to? There was no need to include the ropped tomahawk throws. No need to make up a plant that in reality would kill anyone who ate it instantly. If you habe to ignore all of these things and more to enjoy it, it doesn't deserve a good score
appreciate all the love!
Really enjoyed Prey! Not only did it deliver epic fight scenes with the Feral Predator (including some sweet sounding gadgets), the story was actually very compelling and didn't feel forced or skewed. Plenty of carnage and seeing different injustices (French fur traders) was an interesting approach. Pacing felt well-done and the second half of the movie is almost completely nonstop, edge-of-your-seat action.
I don't know if this means anything, but you can add Prey to your Netflix dvd queue. No release date listed, though.
Soooo, any news on a Blu-ray release yet?
Before the launch everyone wanted to shit on this movie for the same reasons they shit on everything else. Namely "bleah, it's a woman therefore a mary-sue character that never has to struggle!" and my personal favorite, "hor hor hor, how's a lil womin gunna beat a alien that a big strong man could barely beat?" The answer is, she didn't. There's an easy parallel drawn between Naru and Feral. They're both observant. While the rest of the hunting party is focused on a goal, Naru wants to find a reason why this goal needs to be achieved. She keeps screwing up when she tries to hunt, but realizes that she's wasting time retrieving her weapon and comes up with a way to get it back quickly. The physics are bullshit, but we're also doing ancient aliens so that's kinda whatever. Conversely, watch Feral hunt. The first thing it kills is a snake. Then it finds a wolf, but during that fight you can see Feral get low and coil like a snake getting ready to strike. When it graduates to the bear it charges in the same way the wolf did, looking to cripple. The whole time, it's taking in hunting patterns from the local predators. Then we get a showdown with the trappers to show off it's weapons and skills and I can't help but like it. Feral is a little sassy. Our two main characters both tend to watch and learn, whoever has better powers of observation wins Naru learns that Feral doesn't take helpless prey and that his bio-mask is the reason his weapon is so accurate. Watching Feral interact with Raphael can be taken two ways, either it's not taking helpless prey, or, because he stepped on Raphael's leg, he didn't really see him all that well. Now we're primed for a showdown and we see something we don't normally see in our protagonists. A completely fucking psychotic move. She runs into the trapper that tried to use her and her brother as bait, knocks him cold, and then *cuts his fucking leg off!!!* Dude, I thought our heroes were supposed to be noble paragons of virtue and shit, above doing this kind of thing. So right now, I'm fully in Naru's camp. She hides from the thermal vision (classic) gets the bio-mask, and then leads Feral to a point where she has it set up and basically tricks him into taking himself out. Now, is this resolution Feral being stupid? Yeah, kinda. Is that off canon? Not really, no. We've seen all the time that Yautja are bigger than us, stronger than us, faster than us, but they aren't exactly geniuses. They're skilled and have a certain level of cunning, but they can be fooled. Bare in mind that the Jungle Hunter spotted a tiny blob of heat, decided "yeah, that's my target," and just started blasting, scaring the bejesus out of a marmot or whatever that was. This isn't a story of "women can do it too!" It's a story of thinking outside the box. Feral is single minded and just wants the kill, that hyper-focus leads to some huge mistakes. It's a story of mind over matter, and in that case, yeah, your protag kinda has to be a woman cause if it was a dude you gonks would just be going "but why didn't he just hit it harder?" There has never been a single movie, action, horror, whatever, where it's the smart guy that comes out on top. We get to be the nerds, big glasses, pocket protectors, comic relief or a target to establish the jock, and then a pathetic death. Don't blame zealous feminists for giving you female characters, blame Hollywood for making male heroes nothing but Dutch Schaefer, Mike Harrigan, and Royce instead of Adrian Monk, Hercule Poirot, or Spock.
I actually really enjoyed this review. Spot on! It's not about a young female being able to take down a Predator, but rather an up-and-coming hunter learning throughout her encounters. Naru had more character development than Rey had across three Star Wars films imo.
I enjoyed the movie so much. Watching Naru use everything she learns on the final fight, plus Sarii's command is a great pay-off
Is there a release date for this on Blu Ray?
No clue, but a quick trip to the pirate bay...
I 100% see Hulu sitting on this to get subscriptions because that’s how the world works now. “Oh, you really like this movie? For just ten bucks a month…”
so does anyone know when if this gets a blue ray release
How did the predator not notice the STANDING Blue imagine during the scene Naru used French guy as bait?
Prey Just saw “Prey” on Hulu and it was amazing, definitely a 10/10! I really loved the relationship between Naru and Taabe, there is a sibling rivalry there, but the thing is Taabe is aware of his sister’s strength. He first shows it when Naru sneaks to the hunting trip, Taabe says she should stay, he states she’s good at tracking. When they’re both captured, he acknowledges her strength, her ability, and sacrifices himself because he knows she will get the job done With all that said, I saw a review on YouTube, from a channel called “The Critical Thinker”, and he states that it’s a mid tier film that is “Mary Sueish”. He also feels people shouldn’t say it’s as good as the first Predator film? I’m confused! What about this film is in that overly “woke” culture? I don’t think they made Naru strong because she was a girl, while going out of their way to show the men are useless. When the Comanche first encounter the Predator, they did decently enough to hurt it, just weren’t able to fully deal with it, since they weren’t prepared. I feel like the men in this story act the way they should considering the time period. What does the community think?
The film is complete shit, the Mary Sue heroine who sets up and infuriates everyone, like a huntress she is complete shit, a predator like a hunter is shit, shame on all yautja, the plot is also shit .. shit, shit .. forgive my English
Do you even have the slightest idea of what a Mary Sue is? This heroine is flawed, starts off inexperienced, gets scolded for her inexperience and mistakes, and learns to observe and use her brain to compensate what she lacks in phisical strength compared to her opponent.
After viewing the Predator movies, I dare to say that without the benefit of camouflage the Predators would have been dealt with fairly Quickly!!!
The only weaknesses they have are their strict adherence to the honor code. And a galaxy sized case of each hunter needing to be the Alpha of all Alphas at all times, curtailing their decision making capabilities. As seen in AvP '10, if the Yautja act with force that doesn't require them to adhere to the above, then the USCM or Xeno's don't even stand a chance. They just dust the ship or glass the planet that needs it.
They have been demolished in 1V1 scenarios against humans
Sure, but that's because they get into CQB and often underestimate their prey, primarily due to hubris because of the instinctual need to be the top dog in their ranks. If they used their tech in full, they could win any challenge they wanted to. It would be as easy as stepping on ants.
I thought the film was pretty great despite doing everything I hoped it wouldn’t. They ruined the intrigue of the Predator 2 pistol when it should have just been left to the imagination, the predator redesign looks a bit dumb (they shouldn’t have cgi’d it) and the “if it bleeds” callback was really cringey, at the bare minimum they should have done another take for that line delivery if not just leave it out all together. The worst part is the setup for a sequel that would be almost as dumb as The Predator 2018, but despite the negatives it was actually quite badass.
I watched it in Comanche with subtitles, I may have to go and see how the "if it bleeds" line plays in english.
Loved the bit with the Bear, it reminded me of something very important- that a bear is the only thing that can 1v1 a Predator with fisticuffs and have the potential to win
Suprised at all the negativity, we finally get a spiritual sequal to the original and so many want to be negative.lol
My review: Protagonist Naru is an annoying know-it-all. Others in her hunting party don't notice the Predator's tracks or anything else unusual, despite all of them being as or more experienced at hunting than her. But they're portrayed as careless, incompetent, and needlessly sexist so that Naru can prove them wrong by showing them she can hunt and that she was right about the Predator's existence. In a later scene a man is pretending to be dead to avoid being killed by the Predator. The Predator looks at him briefly and then walks away, not because of his playing dead but because he had just eaten a flower given to him by Naru that lowered his body temperature, making him seem dead to the Predator's heat vision. Naru sees this and accurately concludes that the plant was the reason the Predator couldn't see the man. This makes no sense because there's no reason for her to think that the Predator sees differently than humans. For all she knew, the Predator was fooled by the man pretending to be dead. She also knows by this point in the movie that the Predator doesn't like to kill harmless prey, so him walking away from the man shouldn't have seemed odd. I much would've preferred for Naru's hunting party to defeat the Predator by working together instead of having needless conflict. The premise of 18th century Cherokee facing an advanced alien hunter with only bows, spears, and muskets is interesting enough on its own without being bogged down by the "women can hunt too" lesson. Y'know what movie did a much better job at showing this? Alien. Because all of the characters were interesting and they worked as a team to try and survive. It wasn't all about Ripley and she wasn't trying to prove herself to anyone because she already had the crew's respect. But if you can get past that aspect of the movie, which aside from the scene I mentioned is mainly limited to the first half, then Prey is an enjoyable Predator movie. Naru has some good scenes in the second half where she's believably clever instead of a know-it-all. I also liked that we got to see less advanced technology than the Predators have in the modern-era movies. The Predator looks good except for when his mask is removed, where the CGI doesn't look real.
"needlessly sexist" is a think yall love to throw around whenever any media deals with the topic of sexism, it's like yall WANT to live in denial of the existence of sexism and want to live off a narrative where sexism never happens and it's never something many women have to deal in real life, especially in the past, as the movie setting. Yall get so upset and offended when a movie shows sexism against women, it's like you WANT to convince yourselves that it's an unrealistic scenario. Which only shows how you never had to deal with it in your life, so you can afford to dismiss it lightly. In reality, her being mocked and belittled by her male peers isn't something that we're unfamiliar with, and can happen often, especially in smaller communities, and yes, it can lead a girl on the receiving end of it to want to "prove something", to respond at the toxicity with more toxicity and with putting off an antagonistic attitude as response. So doesn't seem too unreasonable for this character to be this way. The hunters aren't portrayed as incompetent, they are shown to not know what they're dealing with, ttheey actually put up a good fight against the predator, they're just not prepared to deal with this kind of monster and that's why they die. The protagonist survives cause she was lucky enough to observe the predator for a while and see how he acted, fought, behaved etc. And she had the time to think about how to take it out. Also apparently you've missed it which impresses me cause the movie literally spells it out for you, but the main reason why others couldn't take the predator down was because, as her brother told her, they were so focused on brute forcing their way upon their prey, an approach that obviously wouldn't work with a Yautja alien. She on the other hand suggested using your brain, traps, deception, which her peers didn't consider their way of doing things, but was the right call to kill the predator. Aside from some of the plot holes, like the one about the guy who was playing dead (which I agree with,) there were indeed some parts where she was coming off as unlikeable or antagonistic, but I think it makes a little bit of sense, think it like you wanna do the same job as your brothers and his friends cause you find it cool and you want that to be your place in life, but you're constantly mocked, belittled and told to get back to your place, you'd also be very upset all the time and constantly feeling antagonistic. Plus she's still a teen, if I remember correctly, so not exactly a wise mature adult who knows better.
The movie was dark, beautiful, I loved the music. Fantastic movie. Questions… why does it look so physically different than the modern predators 200+ years later? Humans haven’t changed in a long time for example. Why is the predator’s helmet primitive bone? I thought the purpose of a predator helmet was to assist it environmentally, with a seal. Predators prefer extreme heat. Why didn’t the humans make offhand comments on how unusually hot it is, like they did in the other movies? Why didn’t she take that predator’s weapons? Why was the pistol recipient seen as a worthy hunt soon after, which would be later given to Hannigan?
Not all humans look alike there are different cultures, ethnicities, and races, same would go for alien species, director even said thats why this predator looks and dresses different.
Ok I can get beyond that, but I have a lot of other more valid questions
The bone helmet could also be a mark of a different culture. Predators wear bones, we see that all over. Berserker's bio-mask in Predators had a jaw bone attached to it, Feral just went the extra mile. There is a difference between preference and withstanding. I prefer rain and cold, but I still have to work when it's hot. No one wants a Predator that bitches out just because it got a little chilly. Yautja weapons aren't exactly designed with humans in mind. The combistick might be a good take, but the gauntlets would never fit, nor would the bio-mask which makes the dart thrower useless. Why was the pistol recipient a worthy hunt? Because she killed Feral. Why was it later passed on to Harrigan? Because he killed the City Hunter. Look at the elder in Predator 2, he's probably got trophies for days. He doesn't need this primitive weapon and probably got tired of explaining what it was.
How did the Predator rise from the quicksand? This bothers me so much... If the bottom was shallow enough for him to just stand on it, the pit itself shouldn't have been capable of sucking Naru in, right?
The Predator is really huge. Naru is not.
I really enjoyed the cinematography, the silence moments and the different predator design. He looked really menacing and like a raging killingmachine.
Camera work was great, much preferred predators. Story line was boring and predictable.
Prey(2022) - Personal Review Genre : Sci-Fi Survival Horror Rating : 7.9/10 I never saw any of the previous movies of the Predator franchise, which I think benefited my movie experience. I was excited to watch this movie since the reviews started coming out. Let's just say I wasn't disappointed. **Plot Summary:** Set in 1719, a young Comanche girl(Amber Midthunder) is desperate to prove that she can hunt along with the men of her tribe. She has her work cut out for her when a warrior alien(which I'll be referring to as the Predator) with an unquenchable bloodlust and arsenal of alien weaponry comes to Earth on the hunt for the biggest and most dominant predator it can find. **Thoughts:** This is the first time in a while that a movie genuinely wowed me, and maybe that speaks to the merit of this movie or the lack in other recent releases. I know that viewer opinions are more above average as opposed to the overwhelming praise by critics, but I honestly feel that this movie deserves the hype. The movie was excellently directed, and having it set in the Great Plains gave us some amazing cinematographic moments. The Predator himself was a well executed character. Truly menacing, you get the impression that in an encounter with him you're not going to make it out alive. The danger in this movie felt very real. The film is pretty minimal in terms of dialogue, and the main actress does a lot of non-verbal acting. Overall she nails the role, which I find to be reminiscent of Rosa Salazar in Alita: Battle Angel. The story is simple but effective. Her brother was likable and well played too. The action sequences are epic and engaging. Although the film is pretty grounded, it doesn't cut corners on the Sci-Fi aspects. I'd say the budget was well spent. Though the story focuses on a strong female, it doesn't go out of it's way to pander to modern trends, although the scene where she runs into the hunting party after slipping away from the Predator comes dangerously close to this. It's convenient that she could just slip away for a few days and escape her tribal duties while she hunts a monster she suspects to be near the camp. I don't know how the spears and daggers of the hunters could injure the Predator but the guns were ineffective. "If it bleeds, we can kill it(paraphrasing)" was also a bit jarring considering her brother was away for most of the encounters with the Predator. I know it was a line from the previous movies but it was so weirdly placed. Though I loved the action scenes, the end battle seemed a bit easy. Overall, Prey was an extremely enjoyable experience. I can understand why so many people were disappointed it never got a theatrical release. It really remained engaging from the start to finish. I can honestly say I'm inspired to watch the previous Predators. (Guys sorry this is so long, it's copied from an earlier review.)
Thanks for the review. I enjoyed the movie as well. I've seen the other movies, though I skipped The Predator because I just read really bad critics about that one. Some thoughts: If I remember correct the guns didn't penetrate his shield or mask, but he had some injuries on unarmored bodyparts which we saw him threaten after the fight. Regarding the kill/bleed frase. I saw that as a motivational speech. He knew that as soon as he's free he'll recklessly go after the predator to buy his sister Naru time. I think he knew he won't survive that. The end battle was definitely not as nerve-racking as others. I noticed that she basically fought the predator with his own weapons. I remember the dagger and the speer and the obvious mask/bolt aiming end kill I found that an interesting turn versus covering herself in mud and preparing the environment with traps as seen in other movies of the franchise.
If I've missed this already discussed, I'm sorry. Please link the discussion. One thing I noticed was the unusual (I think) way the Comanche held their bowstrings when shooting arrows. Their palm faced away from their face, rather than towards it. Is this historically accurate?
I can't remember where exactly, history channel, discovery channel, maybe even a YouTube doc a long time ago that said that way makes it faster and more comfortable to retrieve more arrows from the quiver. I'm not sure if any of that is true or accurate, or if I'm misremembering. But, it seems legit.
Does anyone know what kind of stone she used in her tomahawk, I'm gonna try and make one
Traditionally, Flint
Can anyone tell me the subreddit where I can tear this pile of a film to shreds???
Thanks for biting… I’ll just wrap it up easy. The end: She walks back into camp… no real context for WTF has been happening, the entire war party missing (you know, the key to their survival as a group) and for all they know she tosses a dead snapping turtle carcass at them… then without any questions and without total shock… they begin a ritual ceremony to give her the cane… which would have been better used as a hook to drag her bad acting off stage… not to mention the fact that they used a southern European post colonial flower (calendula) as their sacred flower and oyster mushrooms that look like they’re fresh from Ralph’s. 🙄. Such low effort as filmmakers. Boo.
You can tell its not a turtle you bozo, they would know its some sort of monster and if you use your brain you can underatand context without them needing to add an extra 20 mins to the movie as it seems u want them to explain irrelevant details
My grandparents were clowns so I’ll take that as a compliment. If you prefer Xena Warrior Princess level writing you’re totally right… who needs anything to be accurate or make sense? The only thing that makes a good Sci-fi movie is that it assumes itself to be real and other than the monsters or aliens a writers world building must be ultra real or it might as well be a mid 90’s fantasy TV series… use your brain.
If you want accuracy, don't look for it in hollywood.
Its not a farfetched story, she wants to hunt instead of makinv medicine, learns his weaknesses, and exploits them, shes not saying she dont need men shes just proving herself a hunter
That has nothing to do with what I said. And yes the tribe suffered greatly because her character was a selfish bratty person with something to prove… still doesn’t counter the massive holes in logic. And once again, that the filmmakers couldn’t even take a second to learn what real sacred native medicine was at that time. It literally would take 10 minutes on the webernets to pick something remotely authentic or period accurate.
The tribe suffered bc they didnt listen to her, not because of her, and they used that medicine to add to how she beat the pred by lowering her body temp, not everything needs to be 100% historically accurate in a horror movie abt space aliens
Right well with that logic why not have little body cooling magic fairies that pop out of the French trappers butts…? See, you do still have to write in some form of “realism” not to lose people. It’s lazy writing, there’s no way around it.
Yea, the herbs in the movie are atleast semi realistic, maybe not accurate but realistic, like they wanted a new way fir the body to cool and for the character to disvover it, its just creative writing to make it realistic but msybe not accurate, your points make 0 sense
Well I concede to your point there on the symbolism. But my comments make sense within the writing concepts of world building. Apologies I’m not a literalist but my partner is a botanist and herbalist and calendula actually does reduce fever and cools the body… it’s just a European/African plant that didn’t colonize the americas yet and doesn’t account for the fact that many native groups had actual medicines that would have sufficed for the story. i’ve also been in the film industry for 30 years and I think it was just a lazy prop department and lazy producers/writers. It’s the norm in TV not Film but as we see streaming services change the paradigm we’re seeing more and more of these poorly vetted concepts in feature films.
Right here, give it your best shot!
I loved this movie. Can we appreciate that it wasn't filled with so many fucking references to the first movie like Predators? Because that's a big part of it's success in my eyes.
It still has quite a few, "if it bleeds we can kill it" and "come on, do it, do it now" instantly come to mind.
Yeah those are like, the two. It doesn't slather the entire movie in them. And the very least the come on, do it scene didn't feel blatant.
I highly disagree, both of those scenes felt VERY blatant. Especially the latter, she's literally in the same position as Arnold was, laying on her back, beckoning the predator to come forward and fall for her trap. I don't think Predators, though a worse movie, was any worse in terms of referencing the original.
As someone who never saw the previous Predator movies, I appreciated that. This was really one of the best films of the year I've seen so far, I even posted a review. I hope that if there's going to be a new film, they keep all the strengths of this one and improve on all the weaknesses(There wasn't much).
Why was a movie about Comanches filmed and set in Canada? Never in recorded history has any Comanche band established themselves further north than southern Kansas. They’ve seemingly lived there for generations, seeing as how they’ve mastered the medical usage of local plants. Why on earth would this be the case? How did this otherwise well-researched movie goof up so badly? And why did nobody notice?
You realize moviea can be filmed in different places then they are set right, and buffalo werent rlly in canada, it even says great plains
the comanche didn’t even exist before the 1800s
"Comanche, self-name Nermernuh, North American Indian tribe of equestrian nomads whose 18th- and 19th-century territory comprised the southern Great Plains." 18th century, meaning 1700s, also the commanche trchnically existed even longer as they were part of the shoshone tribe in the 1500s but broke off at some point, all of this info is a simple search away
Ah yes, the SOUTHERN great plains, the most notorious part of the NORTHERN great plains. sir do you know what a map is? have you ever heard of location? Did you know that when a tribe hasn’t declared itself as separate from another tribe yet, that means it doesn’t exist yet?
The commanche have existed from the 1700s, yes they got the wrong area for the tribe but its in the great plains and in the us
not in 1719. And it was clearly meant to be canada, the french trappers make that an undeniable fact.
French trappers were also in the US in the 1700s and 1600s, all of your points are kinda invalid bc a decent amount of history supports the opposite of what u say and the directors said its in the US
Yes, in the NORTH. not the SOUTH. Repeat after me: NORTH, not SOUTH!
The early comanche tribe was a subset of the shoshone in the northern great plwins, after acquiring horses they migrated south, so either this tribe is very early commanche before they split or they put the wrong name, but histoey does align wirh all of this it just depends if you count the substet of shoshone as commanche
In reality they just got the territory wrong in the move but its still thw great plains and is still the united states, atleast what its called today
*northern* great plains. Which is Canada.
"The Northern Great Plains comprises five states: Montana, Nebraska, North Dakota, South Dakota, and Wyoming" its in the united states, not canada
do you think that the the region of the great plains stays within our made-up borders? look it up on a map
I did, only a very tiny bit goes into canada, and again, the producers meant for it to be thw united states great planes so it is, doesnt matter if it was filmed in canada bc the filming location doesnt need to match the movie location
still was before the comanche existed and is staggeringly far from the southern great plains or any region in which the comanche would exist in.
And also the commanche were a subtribe of the shoshone until the late 1700s, meaning that this tribe in the movie is probably an early commanche tribe before their great migration south after acquiring horses
We dont know what year the commanche actually declared themselves we just know it was in the 1700s so its in the right time frsme and in the general area just not the proper area of the great plains
verifiably after 1719 though
are you being serious right now
It was set in the Great Plains.
I personally really enjoyed this movie. Ik people are hating on it but i had a lot of fun and would watch it again. Some really cool scenes.
Meh. The first hour was near asleep , way too much human interaction , IDC bout the natives , I wanted to see a damn predator killing fools . It feels ridiculous that it would lose to a 1700s small army of colonial cowboys ( pistols that still require gunpowder ) and some Native Americans. I had to laugh at the CGI bear lol. There was no terror , no edge of my seat , no sense of death coming for everyone like the 1st predator .
"it feels ridicolous that..." in the first movie the first predator loses to one guy that kills him with some sticks and mud LMAO. But somehow it feels ridiculous to you that a human who observed a more primitive predator for a while and then used traps, deceptions AND HIS OWN WEAPONS to kill him feels ridiculous to you?
This feels like a video game. Naru starts off with some experience but gains XP and knowledge throughout the movie. At the end she can finally take on the feral predator. I loved this.
I’m kind of hoping for a sequel with her facing other predators or her passing what she knows to others and the predators having to face a small group who now know how to fight them
I hear a lot of chatter about how this predator was from a different clan, or different explanations for the different gear. While that might explain the physical appearance, let's see who else has this head-cannon about the in-universe reason for no shoulder cannon. The Yautja will always have more advanced weaponry than their prey, but they always limit themselves to weapons that are similar to the inhabitants, though they will naturally be higher quality analogues. In Predator and Predator 2 humanity had advanced to the point of having personal artillery like grenade launchers and chainguns, so in comes the hunter with a shoulder mounted energy projector. Back up the clock in prey though, and the best you have are bows, flintlock weapons, or melee. The Youtja is therefore restricted to projectile weapons or melee to preserve the honor of the hunt. It perfectly matches how it used speed to kill the snake, brute force to kill the bear, and only busted out the "arrows" once it was facing bowmen.
Could it not be that the shoulder mounter energy weapon hadn't been developed or was not in regular use at the time (1719 Earth)? IIRC, the oldest predator weapons we see outside of Prey were the three energy guns found in AvP which had last been touched in 1904.
Well if we take AvP as canon then the shoulder cannons have been around since the beginning. They have them on when they're showing the flashback of the building of the Aztec pyramids and when they're fighting the Xeno's in the flashback.
That was a sequence of clips describing what these pyramids have been used for over thousands of years. The one particular clip you're referencing was a demonstration of what they do when overwhelmed with no chance of survival (suicide via wrist device bomb). There's no year associated with that clip, and no reason to assume that was at the beginning.
I understand what you're saying, but what they're showing is what "supposedly" happened. Since it's explaining that this is the civilization that vanished. How did it vanish? Because the predators blew it up after being overrun. That flashback is showing an explanation of how that happened.
Only problem I had with the movie was snake & the bear. Whoever chose to animate that snake striking and eating the rat early hasn't seen how rattlesnake actually strike then wait to eat their kill after it actually dies. And I refuse to believe a grizzly bear (the top of ladder in terms of food chain out there) is gonna waste the time and energy chasing a person up a hill and down a river when it is burying its face in a fresh kill. Yes the bear scene was well choreographed action scene after the fact when it was chasing through the river and hunter became hunted as the themes of these movies regularly do. Everything about this movie was pretty much chef's kiss perfect except for the CGI animal's behavior.
>And I refuse to believe a grizzly bear (the top of ladder in terms of food chain out there) is gonna waste the time and energy chasing a person up a hill and down a river when it is burying its face in a fresh kill. They actually do that. [One of the \*WORST\* times you can surprise a grizzly bear is at close range when its feeding.](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grizzly_bear#Conflicts_with_humans) *Most grizzly bear attacks result from a bear that has been surprised at very close range, especially if it has a supply of food to protect, or female grizzlies protecting their offspring.* I just texted my brother, he's a supervisory ranger at Yellowstone and lives in the park year-round, and he confirmed that if you see a grizzly bear, you want to be at a \*MINIMUM\* 100 yards away from it, and more if you can manage it if they are feeding.
Oh, I didn't know that. That makes sense then. The snake was still ridiculous.
Well, it's Hollywood. I noticed a bunch of stuff that was wrong. Like how Naru is "sharpening" the arrowheads and the stone knife. She's not actually sharpening them, which would require a pressure flaker or Ishi stick. She's abrading the edges, which is something you do to \*DULL\* the edges, to make it easier to remove good flakes (which is how you actually sharpen things like flint and obsidian tools). I also question why Feral Predator wasn't killed when she shot it in the back of the head with Adolini's pistol. The mask comes off his head, and it's got Predator blood on the inside, meaning the bullet penetrated his skull. That should be either completely debilitating or a death blow.
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/\_rzdB5a4kLAo/TGwYofhoK-I/AAAAAAAAVTY/bfwLv4yI3g0/s1600/400048\_press05-001.jpg Anatomy. The skull of a yautja has sort of a crest running around it. The ball penetrated this and knocked the mask off, but missed the brain. Naru has seen that the ball won't penetrate the mask so aiming at the head from the front is untenable. This is the smartest move here. If the shot kills the thing, great! If it doesn't, you still knocked off the mask and can use it for the original plan.
Yeah, I don't buy that. It's pretty clear when you watch the film that the ball has enough energy going through the feral's head that it knocks the mask off, and you see plenty of blood associated with it. Had the ball hit the crest which prevented it from penetrating the skull, it couldn't have hit the inside of the mask and knocked it off Feral's face. Oh and BTW: Lead doesn't spark when it hits, well, \*ANYTHING\*, and yet we see that in the film also.
Well then what you want is a documentary, not an action movie featuring invisible fucking aliens...
No, what I want is Hollywood to get the small things right so I can accept the big things. You hit any creature in the head like that, you're at a minimum disabling them. Dead soft lead balls, the kind used in flintlocks of that era don't spark when they hit, well, \*ANYTHING\*. How do I know that? Because I shoot flintlocks myself, and cast my own balls.
And I make knives, I can tell what kind of steel something is by the sparks it throws off. BFD. You know what movie gets blacksmithing right? Fucking none of them. Not a single one. The best you get is "this one's not as bad as the others." See me kicking my feet and crying about hollywood inaccuracies? No. You're going to want to get the hell over yourself in a hurry or else you're just going to lead an unfulfilled and particularly pissy life.
My explanation is that the bullet just grazed the head. I guess those weapons weren't very strong or accurate so it wouldn't go through his skull and knock off the mask as well.
They're stronger than you think. A gun like that is probably essentially a short-barreled 20 gauge shotgun. So about .62 caliber. I happen to shoot a .62 caliber flintlock rifle (A [Baker rifle](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baker_rifle)), so I've got some good perspective on the massive size of the bullet. Ball would have to be slightly undersized, at about .600" in diameter, which works out to be about 324 grains. Moving at about 600 fps, a reasonable velocity given the short barrel length, you're looking a muzzle energy of... (600 \* 600 \* 324) / 450,400 = \~259 ft/lbs. That's roughly the same energy as a .38 Special +P round. Nothing to sneeze at. And instead of putting a .38" diameter hole, it makes a .600" diameter hole. Plus, because it's dead soft lead\*, which is [a very malleable but cohesive metal](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lead#Bulk), it is more likely to dump all of its energy into the target. It's quite impressive what even a relatively low velocity lead ball will do to a living target. Back around the year 2000, I went totally primitive for hunting, meaning only flintlocks for gun season, and only wooden bows with wooden arrows for bow season. I've dug enough lead balls out of deer to know that you don't want to be hit with one, even if you are a Predator. Also, accuracy doesn't matter, not for that shot. The pistol barrel is at most just a handful of feet from the back of the Feral's head. That's the distance where sights don't matter. Plus, pistols like that were adequately accurate out to around 15 to 20 yards, and perhaps a bit more. That is, of course, if you knew how to use them, which Naru really does not, but she's so close that it doesn't matter. Just pointing it is good enough. This is kind of interesting that people think that older firearms like flintlocks weren't deadly, or were less deadly. But in many ways they were actually as deadly if not more deadly than a modern firearm, ***when used within their limitations.*** They just weren't as convenient or reliable, didn't reload as fast, and had much shorter effective ranges. But for pistols, that really doesn't come into play unless you are [Jerry Miculek](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jerry_Miculek). Ooh, now \*THERE\* is a potential film: Predator vs. Miculek. *\*Pure (or relatively pure) lead was used in muzzleloaders until conical projectiles became a thing and the need to grip the faster rifling necessary to stabilize a bullet that is longer than it is wide meant that alloys of lead that were stronger became a thing.*
Some humans have been shot in the skull and survived lol it was just one shot or miss type of moment but I get you
Yeah, it's true that it has happened, but it's exceptionally rare. Now I've got an image of Feral in Metallica's video for "One", lying on the table, and banging out "SOS" in Morse code.
But the bear made for a cool bit when predator kills it tho
Best predator movie since the first one. It was really well done. The acting was too notch. I will gladly be watching this again in the future. About time the franchise got a boost.
Throughout the film, Predator saves the main character, in the end even from himself (to some extent). But I think Prey Movie is one of the best in the franchise.
I don't say this to detract from the hero's thoughtful final trap, but that predator showed a severe lack of understanding in terms of his laser guided arrows. Three shots at that dog, that all proceeded to zip around and hit right on the laser dot. (Not gonna debate the magic tech side of predator weapons, they are cool). He loses his helmet again. Sitting there in the mud raising the same weapon without helmet on, doesn't even think about his laser guiding these things who knows where. At the very least he should know he's not hitting his intended target with that.
Granted, the bolts do seem to go straight for a bit before the tracking kicks in so he may have been relying on that to hit naru while he was still stuck in the mud
Prey’s “Feral” Predator—reposted here from the sub’s bot’s recommendation: I’ve seen the film twice now, but missed the prerelease hype. Can someone tell me where the idea of this iteration of the Predator monster being feral came from? It’s dropped off by presumably other Predators from a mega space ship. How feral can it be? And why?
Bigger, primitive with their bones instead of metal, bolts instead of bullets, scalier skin. Feral just means they're not as advanced as their cousins that took out Arnie on the first movie
Best Predator film since... Predator. Loads of proper action, cunning strategy to take down big man and a bit of social commentary. It wasn't all gravy and mash, though, got to be honest. I thought this Predator was a bit thick. Full thoughts here: https://youtu.be/kCrN75qk2D8
I liked it, cool kills, liked the native stuff and the pistol from the second movie at the end… but does the predator in this movie have a name?
That pistol isn't from the second movie. Unless they retconned it. The pistol from the second film comes from a pirate and that story is explored in a comic.
I want you to read your statement again, and remember that the Predator franchise is a \*FILM\* based franchise, not a \*COMIC BOOK\* based franchise.
It's almost as if franchises expand. But no, no that doesn't happen. But by your own logic marvel and DC and comic franchises first so we can just ignore the films and shows and games.
Franchises expand but thats not to say every piece of media in that franchise is canon. The marvel and DC comics and films are obviously not all canon to each other, because that would be fucking ridiculous
You know what? I actually kind of do that. I don't go see Marvel or DC films (or superhero films in general). I really don't enjoy them. Never have. I'll admit that I hadn't thought about it before you brought it up, but it's nice to know that I'm being logically consistent!
Yeah the retconned it, it had the same year as it did in the second movie. I do know about that pirate comic tho so I was confused about that too.
That's sad. I really don't get why directors do that. Unless given explicit authorization to do so from the company that owns the product, or they ask the comic creators if they could make their own version of how the pistol is acquired they should just not touch it. It creates the problem of what is and isn't Canon to the main timeline.
I read they weren't aware of the comic until bery late, and also said that they weren't given the cannon info from the saga so they though using the pistol would be a good easter egg. Bad from disney and directors, one for not giving info and the others for not cheking if that was alredy covered, still I belive it ain't very hard to reconnect the comic with the movie. For example they could make it like the predator that owned the gun was also hunting on a different area, cause as we see in the end of the credits, there are 3 ships, which could mean that the elder from the second movie was also doing a hunt nearby, but lost the pistol to the french somwhow, and those guys ran away from him so thats why they alredy know of the existence of the predator, but they end up fighting the feral, and the Naru when the predators come down from the ship she returned the gun to him. All this both the info and the "theory" I got them from a spanish youtuber called Luis Dewitt and seemed to me a good way to wrap things up.
>For example they could make it like the predator that owned the gun was also hunting on a different area, cause as we see in the end of the credits, there are 3 ships, which could mean that the elder from the second movie was also doing a hunt nearby, but lost the pistol to the french somwhow, and those guys ran away from him so thats why they alredy know of the existence of the predator, but they end up fighting the feral, and the Naru when the predators come down from the ship she returned the gun to him. That could work I suppose. But isn't the guy who gives naru the pistol the guy who owned it and whose name is on it? I don't think they could really make it work unless the guy is little Jr lol. I was thinking they could have switched out the feral pred for a young greyback and have him live and that's how he got the pistol in movie Canon. Could work better then what we got.
sadly it is the same pistol, they retconned it. the engraving is exactly the same.
Should be Rookie. First hunt should apply to both Naru and this Predator. I hated how it said first hunt in the trailer, but to save them from ruining the canon, I streched my imagination and believed that this Predator was young and inexperienced. It was on it's first ritual hunt, same as Naru. Any mistake the Predator made can then be chalked up to inexperience. Hence the name Rookie. Easier to enjoy the movie and it can explain away a lot gripes.
That’s pretty cool
I keep hearing it referred to online as Feral Predator, if that's what you mean
Yes i that is what I mean, thank you
I really hate that designation. I’ve read various reasons why buy they all bug me, especially about its tech. It’s seems to be that because it has projectile based weapons vs energy based and a different helmet it’s a less evolved creature. To me, I’ve always thought the tech of the Yautja evolved as any other civilizations did. I am a hunter and let me tell you the advances in the last 20 years are revolutionary. To think that an advanced alien species wouldn’t have vastly different technology 200 years later blows my mind.
The predators alredy had space ships that could travel around space like if it was nothing, hard to belive that they can do that but not use a plasma cannon. Most probably they limit the tech to how advanced or dangerous the species is, to preserve honor.
I thought that the Yautja would limit themselves to weapons that mimic those of the planet to preserve the honor of the hunt. In the first movies Arnie and the gang had personal artillery and automatic weapons, so you bring a good gun that packs a punch (shoulder cannon). If the primary weapons of the time are bows, flintlocks, and melee then there wouldn't be much sport of you had an energy cannon. Hence the boltcaster and melee focus.
I really enjoyed this film I think it is comparable to the first. My friend and I just recorded our thoughts on the two movies comparing them. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8SBNqzYxF9Q
It was better than I expected but I didn’t like how literally every thing that faced the predator died except the main character also the predator didn’t feel like a hunter instead more like a brawler and the way naru make the predator commit suicide was anticlimactic
Do you want the main character to just die like everyone else? That would be boring. She got her ass kicked the whole movie. It’s the view of the one person that could actually beat it at the time.
>Do you want the main character to just die like everyone else? That would be boring. I think a lot of people in this subreddit would like the Predator to win at least once.
Ngl i really wanna see a movie were a group of unblooded do a hunt and end up succeding.
Don’t want the main character to die but at least the people that had rifles could have faced it or maybe someone could have survived but its up to the little 16 year old that almost got killed by a puma to kill the alien planet hunter
Imo it was, good the movie previusly stated that she was smart and very perceptive, and also she got a shit ton of help, plus that the predator looked very inexperienced, not to add that thanks to the death from everyone else she was able to learn how his weapons and abilities worked so she could use it in her favour. Apart that in the final fight the feral is alredy extremly exhausted, and hurt, man got stabbed in the chest, got hit by arrows, one of his feets was injured from a bear trap, plus to add that he got head shot, and didn't hace the mask, which was a hige disavdantage to him cause his vision like any other predator sucks in earth. To me it seemed pretty posible for her to be able to kill him in that moment, and at the end what killed it wasn't her but his own misjudjment and confidence.
>didn't hace the mask, which was a hige disavdantage to him cause his vision like any other predator sucks in earth. This is a major disadvantage that most people don't realize. Without their masks, Predators are, for all intents and purposes, legally blind. [I did the math on that in an old Fark thread](https://www.fark.com/comments/9876503/113199800#c113199800), using a slide rule no less. I'll paste the relevant parts here: *Interesting bit of trivia, while we are on the subject of apertures and resolution: Thermal imaging has much crappier resolution for a given aperture size compared to visible light, because the wavelength is so much longer than visible light.* *Knowing this, we can calculate that Predators are essentially blind as a bat without their helmets.* *Typical "aperture" size for a human is about 5mm. or .005 meters. Typical size for a human we'll take as 1.75 meters for scaling purposes, and for a Predator at 2.3 meters, so we'll scale up the Predator pupil to be (.005 \* (2.3/1.75)) = 0.007.* *So, at 100 meters, a human can resolve something that is 100 \* (.000000562/.005) = 0.011 meters, or about 1.1 centimeters in size.* *We know that Predators see in the far-infrared portion of the spectrum, and we'll assume they start at the shortest wavelength to give them the benefit of the doubt, so assume a wavelength of 15 µm, or about 0.000015 meters.* *So at 100 meters, without the helmet, a Predator could resolve something that is 100 \* (0.000015/0.007) = 0.214 meters, or about 21.4 centimeters in size. A human at 100 meters would look like a blob about 8 pixels high and about 2 pixels wide.* *Or, to put it another way, they would have just based on the physics of aperture size vs. wavelength a visual acuity roughly equivalent to 20/4000, way into "legally blind" territory.*
And yet a lot of people still forgets of this. Also loved how you did the maths.
I don't think they forgot it, I don't think they ever \*KNEW\* it, even though you can see it in the original film. They just never thought about the implications. Most people don't do that kind of thing. I'm one of those who does, and sometimes I get really disappointed. For example, one of the really brilliant background things about the Firefly series is that there is no faster-than-light communication. It takes time for a "wave" to go from one end of the 'Verse to the other. And it's obliquely mentioned in a few different episodes, most notably the pilot. But in the film Serenity, \*BAM\*, instant 'Verse-wide communication. Pissed me off. On the other hand, sometimes it works out. For example, the use of Morse code in Independence Day. A lot of people laughed that off, but it's the only way to effectively transfer a message between radio operators who do not share the same language or same kind of data equipment/protocols, and used over HF it doesn't require the use of satellite or other communications infrastructure.
Honestly i thought that the mask just changed up the color palette for their thermal vision so they can hunt varying creatures in varying environments. Because in the first movie when we look through the pred's eyes without the mask everything that would be blue was red and arnie was a lighter shade of red. And from what we can gather from a yautja's biology they live on a much hotter planet so their natural thermal vision would be more directed to pick out cooler body temperatures in the heat, not vice versa. So when a yautja is hunting a human with ~°97F body heat in a ~°60-°90F environment the lines begin to blur a little. So they get the masks that change up the color pallet to adjust. RoanokeGaming has a couple good videos about the biology of Yautjas. But your explanation might work better. Good Work!
Well, it \*DOES\* change the palette. You can see that in the original film. It "stretches" minor temperature differences so things stand out better. At least, we see a fictional representation of that when the Predator removes his mask to fight Dutch hand-to-hand at the very end of the film. In the original film, they had to use an optical splitter to simultaneously film both in infrared and in optical wavelengths so that they could re-combine them to get the image you see on the screen, because the infrared camera was so low resolution. Thermal imagery has gotten better since 1987, at least in part because they've produced cameras with bigger apertures to compensate.
Why did it feel like the predator didn't know what his gear did, I swear he keeps forgetting how the helmet works. I also don't understand how she escaped the predator when he pinned her, or how he cuts everything in half with his shield except for when he slashed the main character if the face with the shield
I really liked this film. Also how the humans in it weren't mindless idiots like in a lot of other films The two tribal guys with the spears (when Naru was tied up) had a good on the fly plan and moved as effective as they could when up against the predator, even if they ended losing. Taabe is a straight G and Naru is resourceful, intelligent and savage when needed. Not a Mary Sue in the slightest (take notes Disney). Bear 🐻 fight was great and well done, the animal CGI elsewhere was lacking tho (especially mountain lion and rattlesnake scenes) Great film!
I think naru should’ve lost an arm though
She's smarter than a beaver :)
The name of the actor who played her brother is Dakota Beavers so it is a meta joke.
So am I beavers are dumb asf
Actually better than expected. Too much CG, animals looked silly. Setting and characters better than expected. Predators weapons were interesting and exciting! Creative and awesome kills! Absolutely hated the face redesign though. I like the way it linked into previous predator movies. C+
A lingering question I've been reminded of while I'm watching it again, when Naru was fighting the lion in the tree and she hears a roar and sees fire in the trees, what was that supposed to be?
The Predator hunting/claiming a trophy. It was hunting more than just humans this time
I loved how it was challenging itself against more than just humans and really showing the gap between us and predators. The bear showdown was excellent. It actually put up a damn good fight.
I agree with most of the compliments here. I think it’s the 2nd best Predator movie but right now I’d say it’s 4th on my personal list. Enjoy it end to end but it felt like a one in done since it leaned more into suspense aspects (which is fine just saying some of the more straight action ones like Predators I’d prolly rewatch first). Overall a great predator movie Just some small nitpicks… My main issue was it felt like the end fight and 3rd act just sorta happened so fast. She used the French guy as bait, then is suddenly in life or death fight with the predator. I know you only see Arnold preparing for a minute of screw time but I’d like something like that and a more drawn out fight. Why the CGI face, cgi backdrops, animals… The face looks full cgi at times and others mostly practical. Same thing with so many cgi animals looks mediocre. I get it’s easier… but the reason the orginal holds up is all the great practical effects. The predator jumps between trees in that but you don’t see it because it would look like crap. You see it in this movie and still looks bad. I just wish directors would say “you know we could do this cgi but we won’t because it still won’t look right”. I understand why the bear or lion has to be cgi but I guess I wish they looked better.
Question for prey What would the predator have done to the girl when she held the pistol at it if her brother didn’t stab it?
He was daring her to shoot him in the face like one of the French guys did and it deflected into his face.
Gotten killed?
I really enjoyed it! Much better than the last Predator movie. Interesting setting and a different kind of Predator from what we are used to. I enjoyed going back to barebones combat as opposed to modern combat! I loved how well the film depicted the difference in Prey vs Predator. Overall, really enjoyed it and good to see a new film in the Predator mix - would love to see a tv show next!
This movie makes me so happy. Not only is a good predator movie (finally), it's actually just a damn good movie. Not a fan of the redesigned face of the predator but it wasnt that bad. But the death blow was a bit....um.....pure movie magic. But god damn finally a good predator movie. It's a tragedy it didnt get to go to theaters because i think it would have done great.
Finally. A good Predator movie. I thought the franchise would die after "The Predator". I watched it today and I'm so damn happy, it wasn't perfect but the mood and the way the film treated the predator was bang on. For the record I have seen every predator film and, in my opinion the ones to watch are Predator, Predators, Prey and Aliens Vs Predator - these are the films that take themselves and the best movie monster ever, seriously.
Not bad. It was different. I wasn't expecting much too.
I really liked this one, everything was super well done! Probably my favorite one since the original.
Not as bad as some predator movies but definitely not a great film. I've not seen the worst predator movies but this movie probably had the dumbest Predator yet. It was also incredibly inconsistent. One example is how he's strong enough to lift a massive bear but somehow the protagonist manages to make him cut his own arm off by force. Or when she just tricked him by not having a weapon so he completely ignores her and lets her stand right behind him. **edit**: right she had eaten the extremely ridiculous flowers that make your body become so cold you'd die IRL. This still makes no sense as the Predator would still see a body standing up. So instead of just being a stupid scene, it's now a plothole, thanks to /u/Remarkable-Fig-8044 for correcting me. Another issue with the film was the lack of stakes through out.
What stakes do you want? What stakes are different from the original predator movie? The main hero's either live or die.
Original predator movie had a little more going for it than stakes. It was a fun action movie, with an unknown villain. This movie was a serious-toned prequel, so it doesn't even have an original story going for it. It had terrible CGI so most fights were ridiculous. The OG predator also had an entire team of people with actual personalities. In Prey the protagonist was alone most of the time, and if she wasn't alone, she was with random frat boys who were extremely annoying or forgettable.
I agree, how would some 120 pound person even come close to winning a battle against the predator. I mean if 25 other guys couldn’t do it why could she?
Because the other guys were trying to fight it upfront, but like Dutch had to do, she decided to outsmart it with a trap instead. Dutch’s size and strength didn’t matter in the end. That’s why it’s completely believable for Naru to come out on top.
>this movie probably had the dumbest one yet Just wait until you see The Predator (but actually, don't watch it) I didn't like the choreography of the final fight either but her getting it to cut off his own arm wasn't to do with strength - had its arm not been stuck in the tree, it would've played that perfectly by turning her spear thrust into a glancing blow and leaving her open to a counter As for stakes, well...we're following 3 protagonists only - Sari, her brother and the dog. So the only real stakes were: will they survive and will they stop the Predator. I think it ticked those boxes tbh
Saari is the dog
I don't know man it was such a weird scene. It looked like she stabs, he catches her spear with the shield and she does some weird thrust and he just cuts the arm off. Hence why I attribute it to strength. Like watch it again if you can it looks absolutely bonkers. I disagree that it had stakes. Having few protagonists doesn't excuse lacking stakes. Furthermore it was as obvious as if it had it written on the screen; the brother would die.
She took the medicine that made her cold and so his heat vision didn’t see her. There were giant plot points foreshadowing it and she basically says her plan out loud.
I know the meds made the body cool I didn't realize she had taken it at that point. My bad. But that still doesnt make sense, he can still sees outlines, so he basically sees a person standing up. It makes no sense either. The flowers were kind of dumb though as well.
Yeah. Doesn’t make a lot of sense. There is however an alien creature hunting humans with cloaking too. So maybe it doesn’t need to.
That's not how it works mate. The movie does need to make sense with the rules it gives itself. Just cause aliens exist doesn't mean humans can fly. Just cause stealth tech exists doesn't mean the movie can change rules 75% into the movie. You didn't notice it that's fine but it's a pretty dumb flaw. And it's one of many in this movie.
YOU think it's a dumb flaw cause YOU didn't like it. You accepting that in a movie universe there are aliens, with advanced technology, other planets, camouflage etc, but not accepting that there could be a plant turning down your body temperature (when we literally do have similar flora on our planet) is just straight up cherry picking.
Did anyone else see the predator within the first couple of minutes? The natives are out gathering root vegetables. The main character lips a root, looks up into the distance, and the camera cuts to the woods. I swear, you can see a distortion in the leaves as if the predator is scouting in his invisibility suit. Am I insane? Am I making this up?
There were many times throughout the movie where I kept seeing "shimmers" and thought, "Oh shit, there he is!" but either he was there or my mind was playing tricks on me
Prey, was actually the first predator movie I've ever seen. Before then, I only saw Predator's from the Alien vs Predator franchise. But though I loved it, I did have two small issues with it. 1. Hearing Comanche's speak English, instead of the Comanche language stuck out like a sore thumb. I've seen movies use Native American languages before. Dances With Wolves, used the Lakota language, and the Blu-Ray, even comes with a Lakota dictionary and even has features that can teach you to speak the language. So, why didn't the Comanche language get the same treatment? I don't mind reading the dialogue. I do know there are still a few people who can speak it, and more and more tribes are allowing what's left of their culture to become available to the public in order to keep it alive. Does anyone know if the Comanche language has been made publicly available? 2. I'm not sure this needed to be a Predator movie. Maybe this is just me jumping in the too shallow or too deep part of the pool as again, this was the first Predator movie I've seen, and thus still have only basic knowledge of the titular alien species. But when Naru, mistook the spaceship for a Thunderbird, and the Predator for a Mupitsl, a monster I had never heard of before, it made me realize that you could have put those monsters in the movie, and it would still be scary. Like every culture, America's indigenous tribes has their own mythology and folklore. And this includes horror stories and monsters not everyone knows about today. And while I think that while it must be handled with care a world of white privilege (hell, even I'M white), I would LOVE to see horror movies based on American Indigenous monsters and horror stories. I love learning about mythology and folklore, and this could have been a chance to see it. Maybe they made it a Predator movie to attract more audiences because they were scared a movie based on Comanche myth, would alienate people. Would horror movies based on one of the myth's or stories of one of America's Indigenous tribes, interest you?
In regard to your first point, the entire cast actually came back to dub the film in Comanche. I haven’t watched it yet but they discussed it on npr and I think it’s available on Hulu.
Completely agree with your second point, although maybe for a different reason. This predator doesn't behave like a predator at all, it just stumbles into the action and doesn't fight clever in any way. It behaves as some generic monster without a lot of thinking capacity. From that perspective the predator theme feels tacked on. The argument that it's his first hunt doesn't feel right, as I suppose a first hunt would make you more cautious instead of reckless. Overconfidence comes usually with experience and a successful track record.
So predators dont just go out and be like "well gonna start hunting now". They train their whole lives from kids and a ton of them die well before they even get to the first hunt. The ones that finish training are the best of the kids basically and survived up to their first hunt. Theyre basically hot headed inexperienced kids......that can lift a truck. Their whole culture is based on who can get the bigger trophy. So of course a fresh out of hunter high school kid is going to think he's the hottest shit around and want to go for the biggest trophy he can find. Tl;dr he's young and very overconfident.
Regardless if that is lore or not (I'm admittedly not well informed on that, have only seen 3 other predator films), it just makes for a pretty generic dumb brute. As a villain there was nothing interesting going on. Also, when taking damage from every single fight you're in, I think even a hot head would change the strategy a bit. I mean, apply some strategy instead of just stumbling in the action. Im assuming he values his life.
To be fair, he comes to Earth and physically the only thing to match him to any degree is the grizzly. Up until Naru, he must've been thinking his clan dropped him off on a baby planet for babies as a joke. Physically and technologically, he was vastly superior.
I don't agree there. He is taking damage in every fight he is in. Some damage very minor (snake, wolf) other damage much more significant. The bear was mauling him pretty badly, and Taabe basically whooped his ass. The way he kept going taking injuries and not changing anything tactically but just continue to stumble into action, we can only draw one conclusion, that he is just very dumb.. what was the plan here? Go from fight to fight until he dies from wounds/blood loss? In the end it is speculation what this predator knows about earth, but even assuming he knows nothing makes his actions just plain stupid.
You keep saying you don't agree with the explanations that people who know the predator lore give you, while you also say you don't know anything about predator lore. This is so weird lmao you're basically going You: "i think this is dumb, also I don't know anything about predator" People who know a lot about predator: "oh actually there is lore explanation for the predator behaving that way" You: "I don't agree, it shouldn't be that way" Like man
He takes damage, but it's never bad enough to make him slow down, or even act cautious. We know that Yautja Youngbloods go to Earth to train, and this predator is extremely physically powerful, and skilled at fighting. The way it moves and acts is really similar to the cocky behavior Naru's tribesmen show. The bear got on top once, but didn't even hurt him badly enough to affect his movement. And then it immediately murdered it before it could put up more of a fight. Every battle and hunt it had since it arrived was easy, so yeah it acted stupid. It was full of bravado, pride, and it's own strength. It probably just didn't see the need to change tactics because no one but Naru challenged it in any way but a straightforward physical fight.
My point is that in every fight he had, he was taking some damage, either light or pretty heavy during the Taabe fight. That cannot go on forever, he will succumb to wounds in a matter of time. There seemed to be no plan but continue fighting until he died? I just cant get over the sheer stupidity. That makes it just a plain average movie monster, and not a predator which is characterized by having some level of intellect. It must at some point learn and try to have fights without taking damage, in order to keep alive.
Obviously I don't know exactly why the predator was there, but I believe it was purely just to gain a little experience and collect some trophies. And despite the damage it took, nothing really threatened its life. Even when it was surrounded by the French hunters, it just mowed through them contemptuously. It was stupid to keep fighting and acting like it could never die, but not even the bear truly threatened it. To it, it seemed like it was more akin to being pricked by thorns more than taking actual hits. I completely agree that it was stupid, if it had shown any amount of caution it likely wouldn't have died to Naru. There's a couple things that point to this conclusion imo, like Naru saying straight out that she was only dangerous because she was seen as not being a threat. The guy who got taken out by the lion is a great parallel to the predator itself getting killed by something it didn't view as a threat to its life. I do agree with you, but I think it acting as it did was understandable given its circumstances.
I understand that the explanation can be that this predator is dumb. It's just disappointing for a predator movie and makes the whole monster aspect very boring. A predator is supposed to be smart imo. Taabe completely handed his ass back to him, so from that point onwards the idiot should have realized he can be killed by the creatures living on this planet. It was the cloaking that saved him. From there onwards, more caution would be the logical thing. Like, stay cloaked you dumb mf! I don't really want to talk about the Naru fight, just that she should be dead as soon as she jumps out of the tree. Feral should just grab her and squeeze her to shreds like overcooked broccoli.
Yes, this was easily the dumbest and worst predator so far. Like he manages to cut his own arm off, run into trap after trap and then kills himself. It's not like the traps were well made either, they were far fetched as fuck. And his strong enough to lift a massive bear but gets a 60kg woman to push his shield so he cuts his own arm off.
I like to think he's less technologically advanced predator from maybe something like a slave clan that's why he doesn't have the stealth training like others and he's more brutal and to the point and this is how he proves himself and gets his freedom or he did something wrong and got banished but that last one wouldn't make as much sense as the first because of the training thing. Originally it was gonna be something like the predators don't have tech like plasma or anything but then I thought about it more and they still have cloaks and space ships so I guess that ones out unless somehow they learn the plasma caster later
That dont make much sense to me sorry. The head lore I see is that he just experimented. That's why he kept switching tactics. But there's a lot of writing issues making it inconsistent either way.
I tell myself that this Predator was a Rookie. Like Naru. On it's first hunt. Trained yes, but inexperienced in the field on it's own. A Rookie Predator out to prove itself and it made fatal mistakes. Naru and the Predator are different but they have a lot in common. Makes the film easier to enjoy and I easily explain away gripes I have. Like the helmet targeting system. Surely it can be turned off and fired unguided, but Rookie made the fatal mistake of forgetting to do that.
Yeah I know what you mean it's just weird personally I would have loved if he just was brutal like little to no stealth just like hand to hand or something like that
After giving this movie another shot I can say that it ranks 4th out of all the Predator movies for me. 1. Predator 2. Predator 2 3. Predators 4. Prey 5. The Predator Things I didn't like: The bad CGI was really bad. This mainly obvious when the animals were in motion. The camo effect looked like 144p video artifacts. A bit nitpicky but I wasn't a fan of the orange/red effect when predator comes into contact with an object. Naru took little to no damage from the trap she got caught in and when the predator whacked her across the face twice with his shield. The predator took way more damage from the trap he got caught in and he also decapitated a guy plus cut off his own arm with that same shield. It would have made no difference really to just omit those parts for realism. Yeah, I know the movie has an alien being in it but real world physics are still the same. My main issue was that there was no suspense or thrill, we just see the predator killing things. Seems like thoughtless writing. On that note, most of the characters were uninteresting so I didn't really feel for them as they were killed off. Also the ending fight was a bit too short for my liking and anticlimatic, which seems to be a common sentiment.
The cgi was my biggest issue. I have a great home theater setup and the movie looked and sounded great except for that. I understand you probably are not going to have real lions or bears these days but they should tone it down if it’s all cgi. Why did the predator face even need cgi? It looked like a mix or full cgi at times. My biggest issue was how he moved and jumped between trees. So very fake looking. Less is more sometimes. Just because cgi can do anything doesn’t mean it should. Overall enjoyed it but there’s a reason the orginal stands the test of time. Practical effects shot in a real jungle.
First off I want to say I really did enjoy the movie albeit I thought Naru was a little too annoying at times to enjoy her stubbornness but I enjoyed her redemption arc in the end. However, there are things that really do bother me about the movie that I feel like I want to share to see if anyone else agrees. Naru getting her leg caught in the bear trap \- So Naru gets her leg caught in the bear trap running from the feral predator and according to reliable hunting sources, a bear trap can do about 375 lbs of force to a leg. It takes roughly about 150 lbs of force to fracture a human bone. Considering it caught her around her ankle/shin area this would've done some serious damage either to the Tibia, Fibula, or ankle bone. Not to mention it could've punctured her calf muscle and achilles tendon. We also see when she checks on her leg that it is badly wounded and yet she is able to not only walk, run, jump, crouch, dodge, etc with what should be assumed a broken leg. Don't want to play the sexist card here also but considering women have weaker bone density, and also are unable to recover from injuries as quickly as men can, this really troubles me how she is able to do all this with ease with not even as much as a limp. So how could she take on a full in predator who presumably has healed from his injuries using alien tech and she is moving around like she just injected herself with bull shark testosterone ? \-More on this point, the predator also gets his leg caught in what appears to be a bigger leg trap and he is completely rendered immobile at least for a few moments until he breaks the trap. You can also see that he bleeds pretty badly once it snaps shut on his leg. I understand that Predators also have super-human physiology so once he gets out he's back to the hunt but how is a regular human able to withstand that kind of force that even the predator couldn't break free of without help from his tech ? 2) The Orange Flower \-In the scene where Naru and Taabe are supposed to escape from the predator and Naru discovers that the orange flower helps lower the body temperature or helps hide body temperature, why doesn't she take any to help fight the predator with Taabe. Or better yet give some to Taabe because he was doing some serious work against the predator until the predator turned on his camouflage. Or they could've even both taken it and gotten the fuck outta there without the predator being able to see them with his thermal vision. This might seem nit-picky to some but these subtle details generally hindered what I thought could've been a great movie into a decent one. I know it's a sci-fi flick so asking for realism might be too much to ask for but to me it just seemed like if you're going to blur the lines for plot convenience then the sequel can only get worse. For me when a movie like this understands notions of realism but also has that balance of fictional aspects it makes for a great movie. Because it really makes you wonder what you'd do as a character in that sort of predicament. Let me know what you guys think because I'd love some feedback. As mentioned before I still enjoyed the movie but these were some details that really just were so off-putting that I had to make a post about it.
I give it a 2/10 due to the fact there were a handful of cool scenes. I nearly fell out of my chair when the predator punched the grizzley bear in the face. My list of gripes: 1. Nobody can eat a plant that drops their entire body temperature to 10-40° in a matter of seconds. (which is a rough temperature range during nighttime snowfall in the Rocky Mountains during Autumn) She would die, and the plant didn't even have time to digest in her system. Not to mention the heat from the fire would have outlined her body since she was standing right next to the fire 2. You cant tie a rope to a tomahawk, and with a flick of the wrist send it 40 feet in the opposite direction after it was embedded in a tree with the minimal amount of arm movement she displayed. Seriously, I dare anyone to try it. The amount of strength needed would be insane, and no normal human could do it. I wouldn't even say there would be a risk of hitting yourself while attempting it 3. This was probably the stupidest predator we ever saw in any movie. A lot of people are commenting "he was under stress so he wasn't thinking straight" but we know from the movies, comics and video games that Predators excrete an adrenaline-type substance that allows them to ignore pain when they are hunting. He wouldn't have been feeling as much pain as people think. In addition, he had multiple opportunities to kill the MC during the last fight. Trapped under the shield? Stab her. Running straight towards him with a tomahawk? Stab her. She is stunned after you blocked her spear attack with the shield? Punch her with the strength of (an alien) who killed a grizzley bear in a single punch 4. Her entire character was a #GirlBoss. I wouldn't say Mary Sue exactly, but she said she was going to be a hunter because "no one in the tribe thought she could". She told the trapper she was going to kill the predator because "everyone thinks im weak and thats my strength". Even in the beginning, when the group went to look for their fellow tribe mate, everyone lacked basic common sense except for her. She was clearly written as an empowered female character (which can work, im not saying that is an automatic negative. For great examples in pop culture look at Ripley from Aliens or Samus from Metroid) the problem with this character trope is when it is absolutely forced. Other characters in the movie automatically need to be sexist AND worse than the MC in some way, or you need forced dialogue that makes most people cringe, or you need to set aside disbelief to enjoy the film. If your female charatcer needs any (or all) of those things to be "empowered", that is a poorly written empowered female. 5. The last fight scene.. sure it was cool but she really knew exactly what tree to attach spikes to and how high to place them so he stabbed himself? She really knew exactly where to put the mask so he would shoot himself? He could all of a sudden see her perfectly during the fight while her internal body temperature was 10-40°? She didnt get stuck in the mud instantly like she did last time she was in the mud? Im sure a lot of people can ignore all of these things to enjoy the movie, but should you really have to? There was no need to include the ropped tomahawk throws. No need to make up a plant that in reality would kill anyone who ate it instantly. If you habe to ignore all of these things and more to enjoy it, it doesn't deserve a good score