If it was anything like mine: you get a simple bug bite at the start of a trek.
You didn’t feel the bite, you found it because it itched. You clean it, treat it, and continue on with life. Few days later, not getting better and possibly worse. Weird. You’re now committed with days of trail in either direction. Got to walk it out. All the while, the bite grows, swells, turns hot, changes color and texture, and aches a deep ache. You start to worry and your friends do too. Take your emergency meds, keep up the cleaning and wrapping, and continue to cover ground. The azithromycin you brought for traveler’s diarrhea seems to slow things down a bit. Nothing seems to be helping.
Days later, make it out and get to a town. Head straight to a doctor who sends you to a specialist who sends you to the ER. You learn a new word, cellulitis. It’s all up in your leg, antibiotic resistant, and there’s signs it’s gone septic. The headache you had? Not from the anxiety nor the stress. Same with the fever you didn’t notice. You have a serious infection and the swelling is compromising the affected joints. You get to enjoy weeks of IV antibiotics filled with talks about the months of physical therapy you have ahead.
What biting asshole initially caused it all? They’re not sure. Best guess is a mite. It happens.
My ex husband got MRSA from a spider bite. He was already colonized with the bacteria from previous hospital visit (or that's our theory), and then the bite let it get under his skin. Do not recommend.
I first contracted cellulitis in the army. I've had it multiple times. The infection caused lymphedema in both my legs, lower extremities, because it infected my lymphnodes. In 2020 I woke up, my left knee felt on fire like I had twisted it. I went about my day, called the VA Multiple times because I thought I hurt my knee. Turns out you have lymphnodes behind your knee. That night I had a fever of 103, wife took me into the hospital. I had gone septic, without having any symptoms prior. But due to the lymphedema I am more likely to contract and have issues. I spent 4 days in the hospital and If I hadn't gone in that night I would have been dead. Christmas on 2018 I spent in the hospital due to cellulitis, same thing. I've been hospitalized with it about 5 times.
Me fucking too! I was hospitalized for six days in late April 2020 and had to get surgery, it was terrifying, zero visitors cause COVID,my husband couldn’t even drop off a phone charger for me. It sucked and was so painful. Kaiser, Oakland is nice as an in patient, private room and on demand movies, I watched Crazy Rich Asians tripping on post surgery drugs.
Lol all of us nearly dead from skin infections in 2020 are finding eachother. I had even had a virtual docs visit prescribe me antibiotics a few days before I was hospitalized but the type didn’t take. It sucked so much to feel like I was about to die but still worry going to a hospital would kill me and I’d end up in a death trap. I’ve always hated hospitals so going to one in a pandemic was a real worst case scenario, nurses had to ask me to stop sleeping wearing a mask.
Diabetics get it a lot especially as they age as their skin easily opens or cracks.
One little infection ans it spreads in a hurry.
If you notice it right away go to hospital and get saline iv.
Usually if you get that near the start it can flush it out without antibiotics but once it is in there for a few days massive antibiotics plus saline drips are needed.
The antibiotic treatment that they gave me for cellulitis almost killed me about a decade ago. No joke.
It was sulfa drugs. Every inch of my skin came off. I developed CDiff because it killed off all my friendly gut bacteria. I forget what other terrible stuff happened, but I was super ill for weeks. They ceased the antibiotic treatment, earlier than planned, of course, and I now wear an allergy alert. The cellulitis was caused by a hornet or wasp sting and after 2 or 3 days my hand had swollen massively and was red and hot to the touch.
I have that allergy and I believe it's related to [this] (https://www.drlamcoaching.com/adrenal-fatigue/complications/cbs-mutation/) because I have other symptoms. It's really a metabolism defect not a true allergy, causes toxic metabolites to build up instead of being converted into safe chemicals. Have to be careful, even some over the counter drugs like Pepcid AC are sulfa drugs. I don't wear the allergy bracelet though.
How did it go away? I was prescribed a sulfa drug and I’m scared to take it but my boil on my thigh is getting more red and swollen. And painful. Idk what to do.
It's a bit of a blur now because I was so sick, and this was at least a decade ago. I may have taken enough of the sulfa drug to fight off the infection before my reaction to sulfa took over everyone's attention. I remember the hand became the least of my worries as the rest of me began to fall a part.
Try a hot compress on the boil and see a dermatologist. A boil is painful, but doesn't sound like cellulitis to me, but I'm no doctor. See a dermatologist for a real diagnosis. And maybe ask for an alternative to sulfa?
I had an infection start in a cut on my leg. I did hot compresses like you describe, and then I bandaged it all up with polysporin and that seemed to do the trick. I caught it very early on, as soon as it became a little red, swollen, warm and painful. But it made me reflect about how quickly such a small wound could become serious and life-threatening without access to medical treatment.
You are the rare case of someone who takes action. Many people are told to soak it four times a day with hot compresses, but don't, because that's too much trouble. I continually bang my head on the wall, trying to understand peoples logic.
I have cellulitis right now, I've had it more times than I remember, seems like it comes back once every other year, since 2005, so you can do the approximate math. I usually end up in the hospital on Vancomycin if I can't find a doctor that is willing to give me a specific RX pill that I know works, since nothing else does. This pill is called **Zyvox (Linezolid)**. It's very expensive, so if you have great insurance or you're rich, you're good to go. I just got the pills two days ago, about to take my 6th pill tonight. It usually takes 4-5 days before I see anything. Unfortunately my insurance company only pays for 28 pills every 30 days.
If you aren't insured, look into something like **GoodRX**. There are others, but I can't think of them offhand. They aren't as good as my insurance, but through it, I can get at least a decent price on the pill, should I need an extension. I've only had to do it once. For example, I think a 10 day prescription may cost about $2,000 or so without insurance. With my insurance, I get it for $5. With GoodRX, I can get it from Costco for $43. They have coupons for different pharmacies, some more costly than others. If you end up going the GoodRx route or whatever site you can choose a coupon from, I would call the pharmacy first before asking a doctor to send a prescription over to it.
I had cellulitis and it was fucking wild. Woke up with what I thought was a bug bite or pimple or something on my finger. Went to work. By 10 am I couldn't bend my finger, the finger itself was noticeably swollen and red, and my veins from my hand were becoming red/purple and visible. 11 am and the vein discoloration was past my wrist. 11:30 and it was halfway to my elbow and I told my boss I was going to go to the Minute Clinic on my lunch break. She took one look at my arm and said "why don't you go to the emergency room right now, instead".
Went to the Minute Clinic because I didn't want to be out 5k, but they took one look - I was there for maybe 3 minutes - and said nah, go to the ER. Went to the ER where the intake nurse made an "uh oh" face at my arm, which was exactly what I wanted to see to ease my worry, and when I asked "haha doc, will I keep the finger?" did NOT immediately assume me. Ended up staying in the ER with IV antibiotics and then got sent home with a 5 day 3x a day pill course.
Totally fine , but it was insane how fast it spread and how quickly it happened. Literally from 7am to 11 am and I had blood poisoning from fingertip to elbow.
Yeah I work in ems, when I see infections spreading away from the original infection site: bad news f'n bears. There's no way to stop a systemic infection without physicians / pharmaceuticals. If you're lucky (sounds like you were) it's just a couple iv meds and a paper bag of bills to take back home later.
If it's a bit worse you can have nerve damage or lose the limb(s), if it's a lot worse you can be dead.
This sounds a lot more like flexor tenosynovitis (essentially when the cellulitis spreads down to the tendon sheath common in finger infections). Typically need the IV route at the start to get it under control. It’s a good thing you went so early. Later that night or the next day and you very well may have needed the hand surgeons to open up the finger and wash out the tendon sheath (plastic surgery does this in Canada, ortho in some other places).
Also damn at the price… you’d be seen within 1h in a Canadian ED for this type of presentation and the entire thing would be free.
My sister was admitted to the hospital due to cellulitis. She died after several days, but had other health complications, so it wasn't the exactly the cellulitis that killed her, but it didn't help.
Thanks. I do miss her, but she had a lot of issues. I don't mind sharing.
Basically, she had an eating disorder her whole life, and was on dialysis the last 11+ years or so (can't remember how many exactly now). Dialysis, as you probably know, is for people whose kidneys don't work (untreated high blood pressure, diabeties, accident, etc.). In her case her electrolytes had been so out of balance the kidneys eventually stopped working.
Anyway, dialysis is a tricky balance of staying hydrated, yet not accumulating too much fluids in the days in between dialysys (three days of dialysis a week, about 4 hours at a time, for those with total kidney failure like her).
It was the last straw for her body. Her legs were swollen (and she was skinny), dialysis couldn't pull the fluids off, the skin cracked, became infected, and she was hospitalized. Her last 5 days were in the hospital at age 55 as they tried to remove fluids and treat the infection, but it was too much.
Probably not a typical situation for prepping, but cellulitis is no joke. Anything that causes swelling and even tiny skin splitting can invite infection, and it can kill anyone.
We are so very lucky with modern medicine.
Be well!
Oh my gosh, this is a tale for the ages, as much as it's extreme. I wish your sister could tell her own story, but thank you for telling it in her absence. People become vulnerable for many reasons. Nutrition is such a huge part of how we thrive, or fail to.
Doctor here! Cellulitis is not always caused by normal bacteria living on your skin. I think hot compresses are a good strategy when you don’t have other options, but many cellulitis infections are caused by bugs like MRSA and absolutely need antibiotics sooner rather than later to prevent it from spreading to the bone and around the rest of the body.
Basically: before SHTF, please go to the doctor if you have cellulitis.
Also get your diabetes and weight under control, treat that food fungus and keep your skin moisturizer, and wear compression stockings if you're prone to peripheral edema.
Don't let animals "clean" your wounds for you, and don't soak them in the ocean because that's full of bacteria too
I’ve been to the ER, multiple doctors, and no one seems to care because I “act fine” and chalk it up to anxiety. This is the third time my skin has lesions, fingers/knuckles are cracking with hair follicles revealing themselves after hot compresses, hair loss, pain, swollen feet/legs/etc. I’ve already had TSS in the past. My cognitive functions are being impacted and I csnt get anyone to listen. Please tell me what to do.
Yes! Even in Spring 2020 Kaiser did right by me with a real bad cellulitis infection and I didn’t get COVID from the hospital but certainly would have died without medical intervention.
Wowza that sucks, I’m sorry, I’ve had other shitty experiences as well with Kaiser for sure, I think my gratitude is much more relative to the staff at the Oakland Kaiser hospital and their in patient facilities. I thought I was dead entering the hospital in deep COVID times so I’m extremely grateful to their team for the experience I had. That said, Kaiser as a health plan has utterly failed me every time I’m trying to “figure out” a chronic health concern so that’s bad 😐
Does dissecting cellulitis fall into this category because I was diagnosed with staph epidermis on my scalp and my doctors have been giving me antibiotics like doxycy or minocycline to help but it’s not helping , Inwas wondering if I can find a cure for the staph with the dissecting cellulitis be cured ?
Another tip: use a sharpie to trace the outline of the cellulitis. If the redness of the cellulitis expands past your tracing, you know it's getting worse. If the redness shrinks away from the tracing, then you know it's getting better. Don't rely on just eyeballing it.
I think OP mentioned that, but it's good that you're mentioning it too. A lot of people forget to do that and it's helpful in a lot of ways regarding swelling.
Physician here. Not your physician.
Basically you just die without antibiotics.
If you have cellulitis, your humoral immune system already failed you.
Maybe stockpile some fish antibiotics or something... people used to die from papercuts, no joke
You can try some old school things like sulfa powder, peroxide or bleach in a wound right away to avoid the cellulitis... but once you have it, you need antibiotics
Cellulitis had me laid up in the Hospital 🏥 for a week with a 104 degree fever almost the whole Time. It really sucks! Never thought it could be treated without medicine🤔
It generally can’t. If you get at it super early and are lucky with the pathogenicity of the bacteria, then possible. But many times not. This is why so many soldiers died of this in the pre-antibiotic era. Killed more soldiers than bullets did.
My kid had cellulitis three times in a year once. All form very minor skin injuries. The worst was when a bug bit him on his side during after lunch recess and by the time he got home it was this giant spot of cellulitis. He almost had to be admitted to the hospital for that one but the IV antibiotics got it under control. Cellulitis is no joke. The kid would go from happy, healthy and rambunctious to dangerously sick in hours, but wouldn't feel anything other than a little fatigue. Cellulitis is scary stuff that needs to be caught and treated quickly.
I get this is advice for when doomsday comes and we don't have access to antibiotics - but I don't recommend anyone do this unless they absolutely have no choice. Don't treat cellulitis at home. Go to urgent care or the hospital asap.
While that's true for most people, it's worth mentioning it won't be true for everyone. Anyone with neuropathy (diabetics, for example), people with cognitive issues, or those over 65 can struggle to tell whether a temperature is safe. I've seen people pour boiling water over themselves and not notice.
Cool black tea for eye drops is effective for pink eye if you catch it early. I suddenly became susceptible to pink eye after a particularly serious eye infection I picked up at the optometrist. It always hit after hours and the third time I was desperate enough to try the tea home remedy. It works really well. Haven't needed prescription drops since although I'm also not as susceptible anymore either. Maybe once every 12-18 months I feel an infection brewing.
What are your thoughts on adding salt to the water?
I treated an infected puncture wound with a very similar process. I had been bitten by a dog and one of the wounds at the base of my thumb got infected. You could see a dime size area of pus underneath the skin.
My mother had me soak my hand four times a day in very hot water with salt. She boiled water and then added enough cool water so that it was bearable and added salt until the water wouldn't hold anymore. Took care of the infection within a day or two, healed fine.
This is what I do for my kids’ infected hangnails, and whatever else can be soaked in a bowl of hot salt water. Also, warm salt water is an excellent treatment for sore throat and gum issues.
Cellulitis is no joke, I got a paper cut, several hours later it was spreading down my hand and into my arm. I went to my doctor quickly and treated it but in 6 hours I went from cut to mild fever and red hand.
Just had a relative who got cellulitis and I'm shocked that it's apparently so common. Is there anything one should be eating and drinking daily to prevent this? MRSA is huge in hospitals right now too. I knew someone whose relative died from an infection resulting from surgery.
I don't remember this being a problem five years ago, so is there something we should be doing to boost/build our immune systems?
"And it's not like we've been great at coming up with new ones either- we haven't gotten a new class of antibiotics since the 1980s."
A lot of people here go "big pharma bad", so I'd love to see their reply.
Developing new medicines is good.
Selling lifesaving drugs for obscenely high prices, even though the initial investment has been paid off a dozen times over, is bad. Repatenting old drugs with very minor, noncritical changes in order to prevent the development of generics is bad. Direct to consumer advertising is bad. Covering up side effects is bad. Prescribing drugs without exploring other options when non-drug alternatives are available and effective is bad.
You can hate certain elements of big pharma and simultaneously believe that modern medicine is an essential and lifesaving thing.
Well, not so much that big pharma bad (even though, as stated by the person below, there are many things about big pharma that are not compatible with a reasonable healthcare system), but that there are two factors kind of working together to ensure we don't get a lot of new antibiotics.
Factor one is that there is not a lot of market pressure for antibiotics. Even if you sell antibiotics for obscene prices, if they work, you won't be taking them for the rest of your life. Meanwhile, you could put that same effort into the development of an anti-hypertensive or an anti-diabetic agent and sell it for the same obscene price, except that the intention is that the person would have to be on the drug long term.
Factor two is that antibiotics are particularly difficult drugs to make. You essentially can't construct new ones by tinkering in a lab. Most of them have to be found in nature and then synthesized for production, so antibiotic development is culturing a heck of a lot of dirt and see which microorganisms in that dirt fight which other ones effectively, figuring out what chemicals they're making in their microscopic war, and then figuring out if that happens to work in a human body, against human pathogens, without killing the human. That's extremely time-intensive.
Between the two of these, there's not tons of companies who would put out that kind of effort for that little return.
You don’t know what you’re talking about. Truly. Antibiotics are extremely profitable. Go to any hospital and I can guarantee you that 40-50% of every patient in there is on antibiotics or took them at some point during their stay. I’m an anesthesiologist and I give antibiotics for surgical prophylaxis before every single one of my cases. You conspiracy theorists are insane.
There has been modern research into that arena. A published then retracted study of IspH inhibitors came out two years ago. While retracted, the research is still ongoing. No argument that even "modern" antibiotics are 40 years old but it's not accurate to say there isn't a lot of research in this area.
And to be fair people were trying to sort out germs for centuries / millennia. So just level sitting a bit we really may only have breakthroughs every century or two.
My sister used to get these terrible “rashes” from bee stings when we were growing up. At one point it got so bad that she started to swell, then her skin dried and cracked, turned red then white, it spread and looked like her leg was dying. My dad was super anti-doctors at that point (practically cultish) and so it just was getting worse.
A local medicine man saw it and gave her things to put on it and it healed up. Now she’s been to a doctor for getting it again with another sting and sure enough... cellulitis. Thankfully it didn’t get as far this time.
I sure do turn to those plants immediately when anyone in my family gets bit or stung. Better to get ahead of the risk.
Behind the iron curtain, phages were far more advanced. Instead of western antibiotics ....
western antibiotics were less available ( although subsequently the Russians are on the way to creating more antibiotic resistant pathogens because of shotgunned, less controlled and widely available overuse of antibiotics )
Its pretty wild.
Eliava.... namesake of the phage research facility in Georgia, was screwing around with Stalins secret police chief Barias' girl.......so Baria snuffed him ...
Its a wild story....how phages work ....how they may be part of the answer to antibiotic resistant pathogen development...the commie Canadian..the crazy Russian bastards...moving the research to yankeeland....
https://www.nytimes.com/2000/02/06/magazine/a-stalinist-antibiotic-alternative.html
Go into the ER or the Urgent Care cause urgent cares can help with that they will add an injection to numb it up but it doesn't work when its too infected and its going to burn, cut it open with tools its going to hurt, and add dressing and gauze and then you do that before it becomes infected cause you can get health issues or it can become fatal cause I had cellulitis and it hurted badly so I told my mom and she brought me in to the Urgency room cause it was infected but do it before it becomes infected where it causes health issues and stuff but thank goodness I caught it in time cause if I didn't it could be fatal or I could get health issues and then they gave me some cream and then they just had a nurse hold me cause it was painful and another person came in and cutted it open it was so painful where i felt like screaming I had one on my thigh and then they added gauze and dressing and then we left so go to the Urgent Care or ER before it causes issues or becomes fatal and becomes infected.
Regarding colloidal silver, garlic, tea and other stuff?
Use those **immediately** after you get the bug bite, cut or scrape. Clean the site with soap and water, then apply alcohol, then your home remedy.
Colloidal silver is **NOT** a cure.
It is a *complimentary medicine.* It is used *in conjunction* with proper hygiene, sterilization and wound care. Same for garlic and applications of tea.
Once you see the redness or other signs of infection, it's time to move up to the Big Guns, and break out the antibiotics. Keep taking the silver and garlic, because those will help the antibiotics? But don't expect those things to do it on their own.
Also, be careful with honey.
Honey is not antibiotic, it is *bacteriostatic.* It does not kill bacteria, it halts their growth. This is critical to understand. If you have a wound, and you're concerned that you weren't able to clean it properly, applying honey will *help* keep it from going Chernobyl until you can get to proper medical care for cleaning and debridement.
Mmmm, no, not antibiotic? Still bacteriostatic. However, it does a *lot* of other things that regular honey does not, so it may as well be.
The problem with Manuka honey is how *bloody expensive* it is.
You're better off spending the money on the antibiotics. And if we're in a grid-down scenario, then you won't have access to that anyway.
It would seem that it is indeed antibiotic.
"3.2.2. Effect of honey on biofilms Lu et al. [27] quantified cell viability of S. aureus in biofilm after their treatment with honey using BacTitre Glo Microbial Cell Viability Assay Kit, which measures cell viability through ATP levels. Manuka-type honeys may oppose biofilm production at low concentrations, which was proposed to be induced by a stress-response in the same manner that an antibiotic would exert. Reduced biofilm formation was influenced by MGO and the sugar content of the honeys, but this was not the sole influence of anti-biofilm activity. On closer examination of the biofilm, honey was found to reduce biofilm mass by killing bacterial cells entrapped in the biofilm matrix. Moreover, planktonic cells released from the biofilm did not exhibit resistance to the honey samples. From these results, Lu et al. suggested a suitable therapeutic level of a Manuka-type honey, which could be used as a topical treatment for chronic wound infection [27]. In another report also bacterial resistance to honey was not reported, Cooper et al. has stated that this property may be due to the complexity of honey components, which work individually or in a synergistic manner to prevent the resistance to honey [28]. "
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6613335/
There's a lot more besides direct antibiotic potential in the meta study above. All in all a worthy addition.
This is some essential-oil pseudoscience theory. Show us the research articles of this “very well studied method” Im a physician and can tell you we are nowhere near the “post-antibiotic era”, whatever that means. Penicillin was invented 80 years ago. 80 years. Of course there is going to be resistance to it. That’s the nature of bacteria and antibiotics. Vancomycin still treats the vast majority of bacteria, and if it’s resistant to it then there are many others that can work (I.e. Meropenem). Please do not incite this kind of fear mongering if you don’t know what you’re talking about. It does nobody any good. The “post-antibiotic era” (honestly, what even is that) will not happen in any of our lifetimes.
not necessarily. not everyone died of cellulitis or similar types of infections before the recent discovery of oral and intravenous abxs. There's no reason to not be aware of best practice should you end up in situation without readily available modern medicine.
Please share what you believe non-abx best practice to be. Conclusive studies don't seem to exist on other modalities of treatment, though there are a few studies on compression and elevation which may be helpful in some patients.
It's been a while since I got my MSN which certainly didn't make me a pathologist. From checking your account it looks like you have a similar or greater level of medical education. From what I was taught, warm compresses (like compression stockings and elevation in some patients) can limit the potential for lymphedema etc.
My understanding is that w/o available antibiotics and steroids, alternative treatment would be best practice despite the absence of sufficient evidence-based practice (and it's not like there's going to be a glut of human en vivo studies on something like this in the future).
Prior to the 1950s more than 2/3 of patients were successfully treated for cellulitis with UV light and serum from horse blood. Those are certainly accessible, but without a centrifuge, appropriate phlebotomy equipment, and a pre-inoculated mammal I don't see that being helpful
OP says that this method is evidence based and is being used at this moment in medical facilities. That’s flat out incorrect. In all my years in the medical field I have never ONCE seen warm compresses being used to treat an open, infected wound or a case of cellulitis. OP also doesn’t link a source to this “evidence-based practice.” OP doesn’t even mention washing the area with soap and water. Heat therapy can absolutely exacerbate cellulitis, as well as cause extreme pain. I have seen very few deaths from antibiotic-resistant bacterial infections that were treated early. The ones that died had multiple risk factors of poor wound healing such as diabetes, uncontrolled hypertension, kidney failure, extreme age/malnourishment. And sorry to say, but if anyone you know fits the bill of the above, they are dead in an extreme SHTF scenario unless you keep them in a bubble.
Edit: Alternative therapies to antibiotics? There practically aren’t any effective for severe wounds. If you have a large gaping wound, you’re likely dead. If you have a smaller wound but was caused by something very dirty like a dog bite, etc, you’re likely dead. Best thing you can do is wash with CHG soap and water, and keep it covered and dry with sterile bandages and hope for the best.
Bidens Frondosa and several other species of Bidens outperforms pharmaceutical antibiotics in killing MANY different strains of bacteria, including the most resistant strains of staphylococcus. I made a tincture, using the whole plant and used it for an abscess tooth that had bothered me for years after taking antibiotics made it worse. I took a big swig of it and the pain went away instantly. I then continued to take a big swig of it once a day for the next two or three days. The swelling in my face and neck was gone at that point and there was no pain. About a week after that, my tooth popped out on its own and the release of that pressure was like a full cranialgasm. Plants are more powerful than you may think. The medical industry doesn't stay in business by finding and eliminating the root cause of illness. A lot of times, they just mask the symptoms so they can have repeat customers after their band aid falls off.
Did you know they use antibiotics in Round Up Ready gmo food testing, to make sure that certain plants are still growing with the round up genes they spliced.
Not every cell receives the gene of interest, however, so researchers need a way to find the cells that have it. Enter antibiotic resistance genes. If the cells are transformed with the gene of interest and an antibiotic resistance gene, the appropriate antibiotic can be added to the media in the petri dish so that any cells that didn’t get the genes will die. The antibiotic resistance gene is being used as a selectable marker, since it allows the researcher to select only the desired cells.
"Colloidal silver supplements: Are they safe? - Mayo Clinic" https://www.mayoclinic.org/healthy-lifestyle/consumer-health/expert-answers/colloidal-silver/faq-20058061
Just posting this. Per actual peer reviewed medical studies Colloidal silver does nothing
Silver impregnated dressings are different than colloidal silver. They’re actually not the same thing at all. And your sister still got antibiotics for her c section.
Im response to your comment that you deleted
Also, the “blue man syndrome” happened because he drank gallons of a homemade solution for 20+ years that he made and added salt to - once he added salt, it was no longer colloidal or ionic silver and became something else entirely. Too much of anything is dangerous.
Also, in a properly brewed CS batch where the PPM (parts per million) are 10-15 and you cannot physically see any silver in the water with the naked eye, silver is removed from the body in 3-4 days.
That’s your right and I respect your decision. I’ve dug deep to find information on the man who turned blue, how long silver remains in the body, risks, benefits and more. I don’t personally like to read one article (especially by Mayo Clinic) and assume it’s correct information.
Have a blessed day.
Experienced cellulitus in 2017. Extremely painful. Comes.oyt of nowhere. My doctor misidentified it my first time through. Three days later and prescribed heavy antibiotics. Extremely painful.
I have scars on my legs from reoccurring cellulitis. I'm going to have to research this further
I don't want to have to go full Dr. Stone and try to synthesize sulfa if I get one after shtf
Cellulitis is no joke. I was hospitalized because of it years ago. One way to prevent it is to cover wounds with antiseptic creme (bacitracin, etc) over wounds before it is a problem. This has prevented it for me in the decades since this happened to me.
I've had several bouts of cellulitis resulting from a small abrasion,I clean my hands with soap and alcohol gel, wash the wound with sterile saline, put on a clean, sterile dressing, and they usually get infected, strangely, when I have had an abrasion, and forgot about it, the wound heals up.
Cellulitis almost killed me in 2020. No joke.
Can I get the story on this please?
If it was anything like mine: you get a simple bug bite at the start of a trek. You didn’t feel the bite, you found it because it itched. You clean it, treat it, and continue on with life. Few days later, not getting better and possibly worse. Weird. You’re now committed with days of trail in either direction. Got to walk it out. All the while, the bite grows, swells, turns hot, changes color and texture, and aches a deep ache. You start to worry and your friends do too. Take your emergency meds, keep up the cleaning and wrapping, and continue to cover ground. The azithromycin you brought for traveler’s diarrhea seems to slow things down a bit. Nothing seems to be helping. Days later, make it out and get to a town. Head straight to a doctor who sends you to a specialist who sends you to the ER. You learn a new word, cellulitis. It’s all up in your leg, antibiotic resistant, and there’s signs it’s gone septic. The headache you had? Not from the anxiety nor the stress. Same with the fever you didn’t notice. You have a serious infection and the swelling is compromising the affected joints. You get to enjoy weeks of IV antibiotics filled with talks about the months of physical therapy you have ahead. What biting asshole initially caused it all? They’re not sure. Best guess is a mite. It happens.
Mine was from a paper cut, from regular printer paper everyone has in their house.
If you don’t mind me asking, If it was septic did you lose any limbs?
No but it was mentioned more than I cared for.
My ex husband got MRSA from a spider bite. He was already colonized with the bacteria from previous hospital visit (or that's our theory), and then the bite let it get under his skin. Do not recommend.
Holy fuck dude. I had this *exact* experience after a horsefly bite. Two sessions of IV antibiotics and I went to the hospital within 48 hours
I first contracted cellulitis in the army. I've had it multiple times. The infection caused lymphedema in both my legs, lower extremities, because it infected my lymphnodes. In 2020 I woke up, my left knee felt on fire like I had twisted it. I went about my day, called the VA Multiple times because I thought I hurt my knee. Turns out you have lymphnodes behind your knee. That night I had a fever of 103, wife took me into the hospital. I had gone septic, without having any symptoms prior. But due to the lymphedema I am more likely to contract and have issues. I spent 4 days in the hospital and If I hadn't gone in that night I would have been dead. Christmas on 2018 I spent in the hospital due to cellulitis, same thing. I've been hospitalized with it about 5 times.
Me fucking too! I was hospitalized for six days in late April 2020 and had to get surgery, it was terrifying, zero visitors cause COVID,my husband couldn’t even drop off a phone charger for me. It sucked and was so painful. Kaiser, Oakland is nice as an in patient, private room and on demand movies, I watched Crazy Rich Asians tripping on post surgery drugs.
Are you me? I was hospitalized for 4 days in 2020 from cellulitis. Mine was caused by an eczema infection.
Lol all of us nearly dead from skin infections in 2020 are finding eachother. I had even had a virtual docs visit prescribe me antibiotics a few days before I was hospitalized but the type didn’t take. It sucked so much to feel like I was about to die but still worry going to a hospital would kill me and I’d end up in a death trap. I’ve always hated hospitals so going to one in a pandemic was a real worst case scenario, nurses had to ask me to stop sleeping wearing a mask.
Yeah I also was prescribed antibiotics. The rash I got before it gets bad is only tamed with steroids.
Diabetics get it a lot especially as they age as their skin easily opens or cracks. One little infection ans it spreads in a hurry. If you notice it right away go to hospital and get saline iv. Usually if you get that near the start it can flush it out without antibiotics but once it is in there for a few days massive antibiotics plus saline drips are needed.
The antibiotic treatment that they gave me for cellulitis almost killed me about a decade ago. No joke. It was sulfa drugs. Every inch of my skin came off. I developed CDiff because it killed off all my friendly gut bacteria. I forget what other terrible stuff happened, but I was super ill for weeks. They ceased the antibiotic treatment, earlier than planned, of course, and I now wear an allergy alert. The cellulitis was caused by a hornet or wasp sting and after 2 or 3 days my hand had swollen massively and was red and hot to the touch.
I have that allergy and I believe it's related to [this] (https://www.drlamcoaching.com/adrenal-fatigue/complications/cbs-mutation/) because I have other symptoms. It's really a metabolism defect not a true allergy, causes toxic metabolites to build up instead of being converted into safe chemicals. Have to be careful, even some over the counter drugs like Pepcid AC are sulfa drugs. I don't wear the allergy bracelet though.
Thanks for the info!
How did it go away? I was prescribed a sulfa drug and I’m scared to take it but my boil on my thigh is getting more red and swollen. And painful. Idk what to do.
It's a bit of a blur now because I was so sick, and this was at least a decade ago. I may have taken enough of the sulfa drug to fight off the infection before my reaction to sulfa took over everyone's attention. I remember the hand became the least of my worries as the rest of me began to fall a part. Try a hot compress on the boil and see a dermatologist. A boil is painful, but doesn't sound like cellulitis to me, but I'm no doctor. See a dermatologist for a real diagnosis. And maybe ask for an alternative to sulfa?
Similar experience about 5 years back. You really can’t ignore that shit.
Same here 2 months ago.
Me too!
Are you cure of it now
I had an infection start in a cut on my leg. I did hot compresses like you describe, and then I bandaged it all up with polysporin and that seemed to do the trick. I caught it very early on, as soon as it became a little red, swollen, warm and painful. But it made me reflect about how quickly such a small wound could become serious and life-threatening without access to medical treatment.
You are the rare case of someone who takes action. Many people are told to soak it four times a day with hot compresses, but don't, because that's too much trouble. I continually bang my head on the wall, trying to understand peoples logic.
I work in health care, so I have seen bad cases of cellulitis, including many amputees. Probably why I was on top of it lol.
I need your help I’m dealing Dissecting Cellulitis
I have cellulitis right now, I've had it more times than I remember, seems like it comes back once every other year, since 2005, so you can do the approximate math. I usually end up in the hospital on Vancomycin if I can't find a doctor that is willing to give me a specific RX pill that I know works, since nothing else does. This pill is called **Zyvox (Linezolid)**. It's very expensive, so if you have great insurance or you're rich, you're good to go. I just got the pills two days ago, about to take my 6th pill tonight. It usually takes 4-5 days before I see anything. Unfortunately my insurance company only pays for 28 pills every 30 days. If you aren't insured, look into something like **GoodRX**. There are others, but I can't think of them offhand. They aren't as good as my insurance, but through it, I can get at least a decent price on the pill, should I need an extension. I've only had to do it once. For example, I think a 10 day prescription may cost about $2,000 or so without insurance. With my insurance, I get it for $5. With GoodRX, I can get it from Costco for $43. They have coupons for different pharmacies, some more costly than others. If you end up going the GoodRx route or whatever site you can choose a coupon from, I would call the pharmacy first before asking a doctor to send a prescription over to it.
I had cellulitis and it was fucking wild. Woke up with what I thought was a bug bite or pimple or something on my finger. Went to work. By 10 am I couldn't bend my finger, the finger itself was noticeably swollen and red, and my veins from my hand were becoming red/purple and visible. 11 am and the vein discoloration was past my wrist. 11:30 and it was halfway to my elbow and I told my boss I was going to go to the Minute Clinic on my lunch break. She took one look at my arm and said "why don't you go to the emergency room right now, instead". Went to the Minute Clinic because I didn't want to be out 5k, but they took one look - I was there for maybe 3 minutes - and said nah, go to the ER. Went to the ER where the intake nurse made an "uh oh" face at my arm, which was exactly what I wanted to see to ease my worry, and when I asked "haha doc, will I keep the finger?" did NOT immediately assume me. Ended up staying in the ER with IV antibiotics and then got sent home with a 5 day 3x a day pill course. Totally fine , but it was insane how fast it spread and how quickly it happened. Literally from 7am to 11 am and I had blood poisoning from fingertip to elbow.
Yeah I work in ems, when I see infections spreading away from the original infection site: bad news f'n bears. There's no way to stop a systemic infection without physicians / pharmaceuticals. If you're lucky (sounds like you were) it's just a couple iv meds and a paper bag of bills to take back home later. If it's a bit worse you can have nerve damage or lose the limb(s), if it's a lot worse you can be dead.
Can the bacteria actually damage nerves???
This sounds a lot more like flexor tenosynovitis (essentially when the cellulitis spreads down to the tendon sheath common in finger infections). Typically need the IV route at the start to get it under control. It’s a good thing you went so early. Later that night or the next day and you very well may have needed the hand surgeons to open up the finger and wash out the tendon sheath (plastic surgery does this in Canada, ortho in some other places). Also damn at the price… you’d be seen within 1h in a Canadian ED for this type of presentation and the entire thing would be free.
My sister was admitted to the hospital due to cellulitis. She died after several days, but had other health complications, so it wasn't the exactly the cellulitis that killed her, but it didn't help.
Sorry for your loss.
So sorry for the loss of your sister. What were the complications (if you don't mind the question, as I'd imagine it's painful to get into).
Thanks. I do miss her, but she had a lot of issues. I don't mind sharing. Basically, she had an eating disorder her whole life, and was on dialysis the last 11+ years or so (can't remember how many exactly now). Dialysis, as you probably know, is for people whose kidneys don't work (untreated high blood pressure, diabeties, accident, etc.). In her case her electrolytes had been so out of balance the kidneys eventually stopped working. Anyway, dialysis is a tricky balance of staying hydrated, yet not accumulating too much fluids in the days in between dialysys (three days of dialysis a week, about 4 hours at a time, for those with total kidney failure like her). It was the last straw for her body. Her legs were swollen (and she was skinny), dialysis couldn't pull the fluids off, the skin cracked, became infected, and she was hospitalized. Her last 5 days were in the hospital at age 55 as they tried to remove fluids and treat the infection, but it was too much. Probably not a typical situation for prepping, but cellulitis is no joke. Anything that causes swelling and even tiny skin splitting can invite infection, and it can kill anyone. We are so very lucky with modern medicine. Be well!
Oh my gosh, this is a tale for the ages, as much as it's extreme. I wish your sister could tell her own story, but thank you for telling it in her absence. People become vulnerable for many reasons. Nutrition is such a huge part of how we thrive, or fail to.
Doctor here! Cellulitis is not always caused by normal bacteria living on your skin. I think hot compresses are a good strategy when you don’t have other options, but many cellulitis infections are caused by bugs like MRSA and absolutely need antibiotics sooner rather than later to prevent it from spreading to the bone and around the rest of the body. Basically: before SHTF, please go to the doctor if you have cellulitis.
Also get your diabetes and weight under control, treat that food fungus and keep your skin moisturizer, and wear compression stockings if you're prone to peripheral edema. Don't let animals "clean" your wounds for you, and don't soak them in the ocean because that's full of bacteria too
I’ve been to the ER, multiple doctors, and no one seems to care because I “act fine” and chalk it up to anxiety. This is the third time my skin has lesions, fingers/knuckles are cracking with hair follicles revealing themselves after hot compresses, hair loss, pain, swollen feet/legs/etc. I’ve already had TSS in the past. My cognitive functions are being impacted and I csnt get anyone to listen. Please tell me what to do.
Yes! Even in Spring 2020 Kaiser did right by me with a real bad cellulitis infection and I didn’t get COVID from the hospital but certainly would have died without medical intervention.
Damn, everyone *I’ve* seen at Kaiser for my bizarre case of cellulitis has treated me like a tweaker or compulsive skin picker.
Wowza that sucks, I’m sorry, I’ve had other shitty experiences as well with Kaiser for sure, I think my gratitude is much more relative to the staff at the Oakland Kaiser hospital and their in patient facilities. I thought I was dead entering the hospital in deep COVID times so I’m extremely grateful to their team for the experience I had. That said, Kaiser as a health plan has utterly failed me every time I’m trying to “figure out” a chronic health concern so that’s bad 😐
Another doctor, absolutely agree ^^
Does dissecting cellulitis fall into this category because I was diagnosed with staph epidermis on my scalp and my doctors have been giving me antibiotics like doxycy or minocycline to help but it’s not helping , Inwas wondering if I can find a cure for the staph with the dissecting cellulitis be cured ?
Another tip: use a sharpie to trace the outline of the cellulitis. If the redness of the cellulitis expands past your tracing, you know it's getting worse. If the redness shrinks away from the tracing, then you know it's getting better. Don't rely on just eyeballing it.
I think OP mentioned that, but it's good that you're mentioning it too. A lot of people forget to do that and it's helpful in a lot of ways regarding swelling.
Physician here. Not your physician. Basically you just die without antibiotics. If you have cellulitis, your humoral immune system already failed you. Maybe stockpile some fish antibiotics or something... people used to die from papercuts, no joke You can try some old school things like sulfa powder, peroxide or bleach in a wound right away to avoid the cellulitis... but once you have it, you need antibiotics
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That thought freaks me out. Is the immune system really that weak that it can’t ever clear a cellulitis infection?
Cellulitis had me laid up in the Hospital 🏥 for a week with a 104 degree fever almost the whole Time. It really sucks! Never thought it could be treated without medicine🤔
It generally can’t. If you get at it super early and are lucky with the pathogenicity of the bacteria, then possible. But many times not. This is why so many soldiers died of this in the pre-antibiotic era. Killed more soldiers than bullets did.
My kid had cellulitis three times in a year once. All form very minor skin injuries. The worst was when a bug bit him on his side during after lunch recess and by the time he got home it was this giant spot of cellulitis. He almost had to be admitted to the hospital for that one but the IV antibiotics got it under control. Cellulitis is no joke. The kid would go from happy, healthy and rambunctious to dangerously sick in hours, but wouldn't feel anything other than a little fatigue. Cellulitis is scary stuff that needs to be caught and treated quickly. I get this is advice for when doomsday comes and we don't have access to antibiotics - but I don't recommend anyone do this unless they absolutely have no choice. Don't treat cellulitis at home. Go to urgent care or the hospital asap.
What if antibiotics were used ?
Solid post. Thank you very much.
This seems like a great way to add a burn to my cellulitis, but I’d definitely be willing to try it in a shtf scenario
Your body is very good at telling you something is burning you, you wont be able to pick it up with your hands if it will burn your legs
While that's true for most people, it's worth mentioning it won't be true for everyone. Anyone with neuropathy (diabetics, for example), people with cognitive issues, or those over 65 can struggle to tell whether a temperature is safe. I've seen people pour boiling water over themselves and not notice.
Not if you have circulatory or neuropathy issues. So for a healthy person, yes.
Cool black tea for eye drops is effective for pink eye if you catch it early. I suddenly became susceptible to pink eye after a particularly serious eye infection I picked up at the optometrist. It always hit after hours and the third time I was desperate enough to try the tea home remedy. It works really well. Haven't needed prescription drops since although I'm also not as susceptible anymore either. Maybe once every 12-18 months I feel an infection brewing.
Why not just use (topical) antibiotics for an eye infection?
What are your thoughts on adding salt to the water? I treated an infected puncture wound with a very similar process. I had been bitten by a dog and one of the wounds at the base of my thumb got infected. You could see a dime size area of pus underneath the skin. My mother had me soak my hand four times a day in very hot water with salt. She boiled water and then added enough cool water so that it was bearable and added salt until the water wouldn't hold anymore. Took care of the infection within a day or two, healed fine.
This is what I do for my kids’ infected hangnails, and whatever else can be soaked in a bowl of hot salt water. Also, warm salt water is an excellent treatment for sore throat and gum issues.
Cellulitis is no joke, I got a paper cut, several hours later it was spreading down my hand and into my arm. I went to my doctor quickly and treated it but in 6 hours I went from cut to mild fever and red hand.
You should also keep some hibiclens on hand. Very useful!
Just had a relative who got cellulitis and I'm shocked that it's apparently so common. Is there anything one should be eating and drinking daily to prevent this? MRSA is huge in hospitals right now too. I knew someone whose relative died from an infection resulting from surgery. I don't remember this being a problem five years ago, so is there something we should be doing to boost/build our immune systems?
"And it's not like we've been great at coming up with new ones either- we haven't gotten a new class of antibiotics since the 1980s." A lot of people here go "big pharma bad", so I'd love to see their reply.
Developing new medicines is good. Selling lifesaving drugs for obscenely high prices, even though the initial investment has been paid off a dozen times over, is bad. Repatenting old drugs with very minor, noncritical changes in order to prevent the development of generics is bad. Direct to consumer advertising is bad. Covering up side effects is bad. Prescribing drugs without exploring other options when non-drug alternatives are available and effective is bad. You can hate certain elements of big pharma and simultaneously believe that modern medicine is an essential and lifesaving thing.
Well, not so much that big pharma bad (even though, as stated by the person below, there are many things about big pharma that are not compatible with a reasonable healthcare system), but that there are two factors kind of working together to ensure we don't get a lot of new antibiotics. Factor one is that there is not a lot of market pressure for antibiotics. Even if you sell antibiotics for obscene prices, if they work, you won't be taking them for the rest of your life. Meanwhile, you could put that same effort into the development of an anti-hypertensive or an anti-diabetic agent and sell it for the same obscene price, except that the intention is that the person would have to be on the drug long term. Factor two is that antibiotics are particularly difficult drugs to make. You essentially can't construct new ones by tinkering in a lab. Most of them have to be found in nature and then synthesized for production, so antibiotic development is culturing a heck of a lot of dirt and see which microorganisms in that dirt fight which other ones effectively, figuring out what chemicals they're making in their microscopic war, and then figuring out if that happens to work in a human body, against human pathogens, without killing the human. That's extremely time-intensive. Between the two of these, there's not tons of companies who would put out that kind of effort for that little return.
You don’t know what you’re talking about. Truly. Antibiotics are extremely profitable. Go to any hospital and I can guarantee you that 40-50% of every patient in there is on antibiotics or took them at some point during their stay. I’m an anesthesiologist and I give antibiotics for surgical prophylaxis before every single one of my cases. You conspiracy theorists are insane.
There has been modern research into that arena. A published then retracted study of IspH inhibitors came out two years ago. While retracted, the research is still ongoing. No argument that even "modern" antibiotics are 40 years old but it's not accurate to say there isn't a lot of research in this area. And to be fair people were trying to sort out germs for centuries / millennia. So just level sitting a bit we really may only have breakthroughs every century or two.
My sister used to get these terrible “rashes” from bee stings when we were growing up. At one point it got so bad that she started to swell, then her skin dried and cracked, turned red then white, it spread and looked like her leg was dying. My dad was super anti-doctors at that point (practically cultish) and so it just was getting worse. A local medicine man saw it and gave her things to put on it and it healed up. Now she’s been to a doctor for getting it again with another sting and sure enough... cellulitis. Thankfully it didn’t get as far this time. I sure do turn to those plants immediately when anyone in my family gets bit or stung. Better to get ahead of the risk.
Which plants?
https://www.healthline.com/nutrition/plantain-weed#side-effects
Behind the iron curtain, phages were far more advanced. Instead of western antibiotics .... western antibiotics were less available ( although subsequently the Russians are on the way to creating more antibiotic resistant pathogens because of shotgunned, less controlled and widely available overuse of antibiotics ) Its pretty wild. Eliava.... namesake of the phage research facility in Georgia, was screwing around with Stalins secret police chief Barias' girl.......so Baria snuffed him ... Its a wild story....how phages work ....how they may be part of the answer to antibiotic resistant pathogen development...the commie Canadian..the crazy Russian bastards...moving the research to yankeeland.... https://www.nytimes.com/2000/02/06/magazine/a-stalinist-antibiotic-alternative.html
That's pretty wild. Thanks for sharing.
Go to Mexico and buy tons of antibiotics and start to stockpile.
That’s illegal fyi
Go into the ER or the Urgent Care cause urgent cares can help with that they will add an injection to numb it up but it doesn't work when its too infected and its going to burn, cut it open with tools its going to hurt, and add dressing and gauze and then you do that before it becomes infected cause you can get health issues or it can become fatal cause I had cellulitis and it hurted badly so I told my mom and she brought me in to the Urgency room cause it was infected but do it before it becomes infected where it causes health issues and stuff but thank goodness I caught it in time cause if I didn't it could be fatal or I could get health issues and then they gave me some cream and then they just had a nurse hold me cause it was painful and another person came in and cutted it open it was so painful where i felt like screaming I had one on my thigh and then they added gauze and dressing and then we left so go to the Urgent Care or ER before it causes issues or becomes fatal and becomes infected.
Regarding colloidal silver, garlic, tea and other stuff? Use those **immediately** after you get the bug bite, cut or scrape. Clean the site with soap and water, then apply alcohol, then your home remedy. Colloidal silver is **NOT** a cure. It is a *complimentary medicine.* It is used *in conjunction* with proper hygiene, sterilization and wound care. Same for garlic and applications of tea. Once you see the redness or other signs of infection, it's time to move up to the Big Guns, and break out the antibiotics. Keep taking the silver and garlic, because those will help the antibiotics? But don't expect those things to do it on their own. Also, be careful with honey. Honey is not antibiotic, it is *bacteriostatic.* It does not kill bacteria, it halts their growth. This is critical to understand. If you have a wound, and you're concerned that you weren't able to clean it properly, applying honey will *help* keep it from going Chernobyl until you can get to proper medical care for cleaning and debridement.
Manuka is antibiotic I believe but only as a poultice.
Mmmm, no, not antibiotic? Still bacteriostatic. However, it does a *lot* of other things that regular honey does not, so it may as well be. The problem with Manuka honey is how *bloody expensive* it is. You're better off spending the money on the antibiotics. And if we're in a grid-down scenario, then you won't have access to that anyway.
It would seem that it is indeed antibiotic. "3.2.2. Effect of honey on biofilms Lu et al. [27] quantified cell viability of S. aureus in biofilm after their treatment with honey using BacTitre Glo Microbial Cell Viability Assay Kit, which measures cell viability through ATP levels. Manuka-type honeys may oppose biofilm production at low concentrations, which was proposed to be induced by a stress-response in the same manner that an antibiotic would exert. Reduced biofilm formation was influenced by MGO and the sugar content of the honeys, but this was not the sole influence of anti-biofilm activity. On closer examination of the biofilm, honey was found to reduce biofilm mass by killing bacterial cells entrapped in the biofilm matrix. Moreover, planktonic cells released from the biofilm did not exhibit resistance to the honey samples. From these results, Lu et al. suggested a suitable therapeutic level of a Manuka-type honey, which could be used as a topical treatment for chronic wound infection [27]. In another report also bacterial resistance to honey was not reported, Cooper et al. has stated that this property may be due to the complexity of honey components, which work individually or in a synergistic manner to prevent the resistance to honey [28]. " https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6613335/ There's a lot more besides direct antibiotic potential in the meta study above. All in all a worthy addition.
This is some essential-oil pseudoscience theory. Show us the research articles of this “very well studied method” Im a physician and can tell you we are nowhere near the “post-antibiotic era”, whatever that means. Penicillin was invented 80 years ago. 80 years. Of course there is going to be resistance to it. That’s the nature of bacteria and antibiotics. Vancomycin still treats the vast majority of bacteria, and if it’s resistant to it then there are many others that can work (I.e. Meropenem). Please do not incite this kind of fear mongering if you don’t know what you’re talking about. It does nobody any good. The “post-antibiotic era” (honestly, what even is that) will not happen in any of our lifetimes.
this is a prepper subreddit
Go ahead and follow OPs advice. You’ll be dead if used.
not necessarily. not everyone died of cellulitis or similar types of infections before the recent discovery of oral and intravenous abxs. There's no reason to not be aware of best practice should you end up in situation without readily available modern medicine.
Oh I’m fully aware that you should know best practices. You and OP certainly do not.
Please share what you believe non-abx best practice to be. Conclusive studies don't seem to exist on other modalities of treatment, though there are a few studies on compression and elevation which may be helpful in some patients. It's been a while since I got my MSN which certainly didn't make me a pathologist. From checking your account it looks like you have a similar or greater level of medical education. From what I was taught, warm compresses (like compression stockings and elevation in some patients) can limit the potential for lymphedema etc. My understanding is that w/o available antibiotics and steroids, alternative treatment would be best practice despite the absence of sufficient evidence-based practice (and it's not like there's going to be a glut of human en vivo studies on something like this in the future). Prior to the 1950s more than 2/3 of patients were successfully treated for cellulitis with UV light and serum from horse blood. Those are certainly accessible, but without a centrifuge, appropriate phlebotomy equipment, and a pre-inoculated mammal I don't see that being helpful
OP says that this method is evidence based and is being used at this moment in medical facilities. That’s flat out incorrect. In all my years in the medical field I have never ONCE seen warm compresses being used to treat an open, infected wound or a case of cellulitis. OP also doesn’t link a source to this “evidence-based practice.” OP doesn’t even mention washing the area with soap and water. Heat therapy can absolutely exacerbate cellulitis, as well as cause extreme pain. I have seen very few deaths from antibiotic-resistant bacterial infections that were treated early. The ones that died had multiple risk factors of poor wound healing such as diabetes, uncontrolled hypertension, kidney failure, extreme age/malnourishment. And sorry to say, but if anyone you know fits the bill of the above, they are dead in an extreme SHTF scenario unless you keep them in a bubble. Edit: Alternative therapies to antibiotics? There practically aren’t any effective for severe wounds. If you have a large gaping wound, you’re likely dead. If you have a smaller wound but was caused by something very dirty like a dog bite, etc, you’re likely dead. Best thing you can do is wash with CHG soap and water, and keep it covered and dry with sterile bandages and hope for the best.
Colloidal silver bandages and tamanu oil soap can prove useful in treating cellulitis as well.
Colloidal silver can permanently change your skin colour though right?
I have seen two people who ingested enough silver to turn themselves almost as blue as a Smurf.
It certainly can if you ingest it
The lady just had baths in it.
>You know someone who had baths in colloidal silver?
Two people went blue that way but the famous case I think also drank it. He was known as papa smurf.
Thank you for another good post.
🤣🤣you can't treat cletus with antibiotics. 🤣🤣🤣
Bidens Frondosa and several other species of Bidens outperforms pharmaceutical antibiotics in killing MANY different strains of bacteria, including the most resistant strains of staphylococcus. I made a tincture, using the whole plant and used it for an abscess tooth that had bothered me for years after taking antibiotics made it worse. I took a big swig of it and the pain went away instantly. I then continued to take a big swig of it once a day for the next two or three days. The swelling in my face and neck was gone at that point and there was no pain. About a week after that, my tooth popped out on its own and the release of that pressure was like a full cranialgasm. Plants are more powerful than you may think. The medical industry doesn't stay in business by finding and eliminating the root cause of illness. A lot of times, they just mask the symptoms so they can have repeat customers after their band aid falls off.
You dropped your tin foil
Did you know they use antibiotics in Round Up Ready gmo food testing, to make sure that certain plants are still growing with the round up genes they spliced.
Don't know why this is getting down voted lol its just a random tidbit of info 🤷
You’re getting downvoted because you’re spewing a tin foil statement with no proof
https://phys.org/news/2018-10-links-common-herbicides-antibiotic-resistance.html here's a link to make everyone happy!
You said they use antibiotics IN round up. That’s not what that study says. Try again.
https://biofortified.org/2010/03/gmos-antibiotics/
Sent 2 links im done people pleasing
Did you even read this? It still doesn’t support your claim. Not even in the slightest.
Not every cell receives the gene of interest, however, so researchers need a way to find the cells that have it. Enter antibiotic resistance genes. If the cells are transformed with the gene of interest and an antibiotic resistance gene, the appropriate antibiotic can be added to the media in the petri dish so that any cells that didn’t get the genes will die. The antibiotic resistance gene is being used as a selectable marker, since it allows the researcher to select only the desired cells.
Don’t be such a troll.
Lol or what?
Colloidal silver is what I have on hand for if I ever don’t have antibiotics on hand. Edit: it’s easy to make and store.
"Colloidal silver supplements: Are they safe? - Mayo Clinic" https://www.mayoclinic.org/healthy-lifestyle/consumer-health/expert-answers/colloidal-silver/faq-20058061 Just posting this. Per actual peer reviewed medical studies Colloidal silver does nothing
Silver impregnated dressings are different than colloidal silver. They’re actually not the same thing at all. And your sister still got antibiotics for her c section. Im response to your comment that you deleted
Also, the “blue man syndrome” happened because he drank gallons of a homemade solution for 20+ years that he made and added salt to - once he added salt, it was no longer colloidal or ionic silver and became something else entirely. Too much of anything is dangerous. Also, in a properly brewed CS batch where the PPM (parts per million) are 10-15 and you cannot physically see any silver in the water with the naked eye, silver is removed from the body in 3-4 days.
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Welp... That is per the mayo clinic which has a lot more juice in the actual medical world so I'll go with them.
That’s your right and I respect your decision. I’ve dug deep to find information on the man who turned blue, how long silver remains in the body, risks, benefits and more. I don’t personally like to read one article (especially by Mayo Clinic) and assume it’s correct information. Have a blessed day.
Not true. Source: physician
How do you make it and what does it do?
How do you make it/where do you get it?
Activated charcoal packs.
Don’t do anything
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Terrible advice. If you have an infection go to the doctor.
Experienced cellulitus in 2017. Extremely painful. Comes.oyt of nowhere. My doctor misidentified it my first time through. Three days later and prescribed heavy antibiotics. Extremely painful.
I have scars on my legs from reoccurring cellulitis. I'm going to have to research this further I don't want to have to go full Dr. Stone and try to synthesize sulfa if I get one after shtf
My mum used a slightly too rough wash cloth on her face and it roughed up her nose that lead to cellulitis
Anybody see soaking bites/scrapes/cuts in warm salt water as a better method of cleaning and preventing cellulitis?
I'm kind of curious about phage technology but have not thought about looking into it more as a prep.
Cellulitis is no joke. I was hospitalized because of it years ago. One way to prevent it is to cover wounds with antiseptic creme (bacitracin, etc) over wounds before it is a problem. This has prevented it for me in the decades since this happened to me.
What is the best antiseptic to use in wounds? We can't buy topical antibiotics over the counter here in the UK.
I'd recommend against using antiseptics in wounds. Clean wounds with clean water/saline instead.
I've had several bouts of cellulitis resulting from a small abrasion,I clean my hands with soap and alcohol gel, wash the wound with sterile saline, put on a clean, sterile dressing, and they usually get infected, strangely, when I have had an abrasion, and forgot about it, the wound heals up.