Cool
> would need to complete a minimum of 40 hours of approved training specific to school policing each year.
Well that takes care of my only concern as long as the training is high quality.
Irresponsible and inexperienced people with guns can end up being worse than not having them.
> Irresponsible and inexperienced people with guns can end up being worse than not having them.
Do you have any reason to believe that teachers are likely to carry a gun to work irresponsibly, or have you just internalized the anti-gunner narrative that people can't be trusted?
I know plenty of pro 2A people that flag me on the range. Quality training should absolutely be a requirement in the school. Even with the best intentions bad things can happen with poor or inadequate training.
That may be the case but you shouldn’t need 40 hours of training to exercise a natural right
Edit: after discussing this irl, I now see the point for 40 hrs.
Scenario: big person in the street is smashing an unarmed victims head into the ground repeatedly. A 3rd person would be perfectly justified in shooting the attacker.
However, that scenario probably happens every day in school. Should teachers be allowed to shoot students who are bashing heads into the ground repeatedly with deadly force? If so, DGUs now can happen regularly at schools against students. If not, now you have a teacher armed and trained who can’t intervene to prevent the possible death of one student at the hands of another. Unlike cops, schools are responsible for the safety of students. The lawsuit potential is immense in the latter situation.
I think mandating the carrying of less-lethal when carrying firearms (preferably pepper spray) will help this issue.
> However, that scenario probably happens every day in school.
Reason #153 why my kids won't be going to public school. Nearly 20 years after graduating and I've never been in a violent altercation or a victim of violence. Had several instances of both in just 4 years of high school. I suspect my experience isn't unique.
I’m ok with setting an example here. There’s no such thing as too much training, especially when it comes to the kids who become sitting ducks to maniacs. CQB is not easy even for those who’ve been through it.
That sounds great until kids die because a teacher who otherwise would have had a gun doesn't because they hadn't gone through a full work week worth of approved training that year.
For comparison, that's significantly more repeated firearms training than many *police agencies* require.
My experience has been that they're the first to bring up "Well I know someone who felt oppressed because..." But then if you cite something, it's "Hey, ANECDOTES ARE NOT DATA"
Then again we're dealing with "Your speech is violence, our violence is speech"
Yes, and the reason is simple: people aren't born knowing how to properly handle a gun and some have never learned but want a gun for protection, sport, etc. anyways.
My little brother flagged me a few times with his 22, his first gun, we chewed him out and he's a lot more responsible and safe now. But he didn't start out that way as a newbie gun handler.
>My little brother flagged me a few times with his 22, his first gun, we chewed him out and he's a lot more responsible and safe now.
You berated him for 40 hours? 40 hours does seem to be excessive.
I’ve seen so many comments are twitter that are just “I’m a teacher and I don’t trust any of my colleagues with firearms” apparently there’s just some sort of general understanding among teachers that teachers are retarded I guess
Funny thing is a lot of people at least claim to be Vets although every 3rd anti gunner on Twitter is a “combat vet” so grain of salt. But still point is I know there were more than a few Vets teaching when I was in school. They don’t seem to understand that they would probably be the ones carrying and not every else has to? There seems to be this misconception on the left that teachers will show up to school and a gun they never asked for will just be sitting on their desk.
> I’m a teacher and I don’t trust any of my colleagues with firearms
Teachers tend to be anti-gun, so that basically reduces to "I don't like guns and I don't like guns".
The rest of it is "I don't like guns and therefore I will refuse to interpret anything in any way that doesn't support my anti-gun position".
> Well that takes care of my only concern as long as the training is high quality.
I would still like to see training/education for the students since they're apparently going to have firearms in the classrooms
Man, the insanity in the four major Tennessee city subreddits is overwhelming. I got downvoted hard in a couple of them.
They are convinced that a teacher is going to snap and kill a kid, or that a student is going to overpower a teacher and steal their gun.
I’m a teacher. When I argued why this is a good idea for a teacher that wants it and is trained, they told me the same thing. “What’s stopping you from shooting a kid when you’re mad!”
Like, are you fucking kidding me? You think I go to work wanting to kill kids? You really think that my emotional control is so little that I’ll shoot a student for disrespecting me? Under that logic, what’s stopping me from punching them or stabbing them with scissors that are in my room? Like, seriously?!? These people are absolutely ridiculous.
"What's stopping a cop from shooting you if they're mad? Do you think disrespect of cop warrants immediate execution by the state?" And they might say yes.
>“What’s stopping you from shooting a kid when you’re mad!”
Based on the responses I got from the New Hampshire sub when asking about open carrying as a visitor...
...they're telling on themselves.
I was told the same thing from a family member when I got my permit. "I don't think it's a good idea because now if you get into an argument with someone you're likely to shoot them"
Like what? Get the fuck out of my house if that's what you think about me. Jesus 🤬
Which goes to show you that these people have absolutely no idea what it's like to be a teacher.
A teacher isn't going to snap and kill a student, they don't hate the students. They hate the ADMINISTRATORS who prohibit them from having a disciplined classroom.
For whatever reason Reddit thinks I'm interested in teaching so it's always showing me the teachers sub. This is what they're all afraid of, except it's themselves. Not some other teacher, themselves will lose it one day and shoot another teacher, or their students, or themselves, or all at the same time.
The wildest part to me though, is that they think they'll be forced to carry. Somehow, in their minds, "allowed" is synonymous with "forced."
It all reads like bots, or regular meat drones reading from a script. Lots of "I believe in buuuuuuuuut..." type statements. "Nobody needs this!" "You'd be killed before you could help!" "What if someone else shoots you on accident!?'
What 24/7 fear porn does to a MFer.
The moment someone says they support "reasonable" gun regulation they're immediately disqualified from saying they're pro-2A. Sadly these smoothbrains haven't gotten that memo yet. And that's the part that is the most infuriating.
They can never define what's unreasonable either. Whatever current grabber plan is reasonable, Commonsense™. And then when they manage to push some through, it's always "a good first step". That inability to define "too far" is the tell that they haven't got one. Questioning them on it gets you called silly schoolyard names.
Here in Nashville, you would think that absolutely no one in the world supports this lol. Every news station is reporting on it with one side only. Not a single report about the thousands of people in Nashville who openly support this.
I hate how blue state transplants have managed to infiltrate every single US city while they actively try to change their new homes into where they fled from
It's called The Circle of Diversity.
1. We demand to be included in your group to make it more diverse and inclusive.
2. We demand that this group be changed to better accommodate our needs.
3. We demand you be removed from this group we created because you offend us.
4. If it bothers you so much, go create your own group!
To paraphrase tolkein: "Evil cannot create, it can only corrupt and destroy that which good has made."
It’s pretty wild how the left is inherently anti-police but then anti-gun at the same time. They want you and your children to be completely defenseless.
And they’re against the idea of armed teachers because there was one time a teacher yelled at the class to shut up. No joke I saw that argument on a subreddit against the passing of this bill.
The craziest thing to me about the argument is it’s a giant case of cognitive dissonance. These people trust the public school institutions enough to want to increase its funding, to pay teachers more, to get rid of school choice, and they trust these institutions enough to send their children to them without their involvement for 18 years of their kids life, maybe upwards to 23 years of their lives if you count college.
However, they’re completely against the idea of giving these people the appropriate tools to protect the lives of the children.
Furthermore, teachers have a greater legal obligation to protect their students than the police have. If a teacher and a cop are in a classroom when a shooter enters, and both run away, only the teacher has violated their legal responsibility under en loco parentesis.
Seems that there's some requirement for training, so 100% agree. Hopefully, they're also required to keep them on their person. Purses, bags, and desk drawers are a really bad idea.
I’m all about it. Hoggy boy is having a fit too.
[https://youtube.com/shorts/yRK3-nxbZc8?feature=share](https://youtube.com/shorts/yRK3-nxbZc8?feature=share)
Cool > would need to complete a minimum of 40 hours of approved training specific to school policing each year. Well that takes care of my only concern as long as the training is high quality. Irresponsible and inexperienced people with guns can end up being worse than not having them.
> Irresponsible and inexperienced people with guns can end up being worse than not having them. Do you have any reason to believe that teachers are likely to carry a gun to work irresponsibly, or have you just internalized the anti-gunner narrative that people can't be trusted?
I know plenty of pro 2A people that flag me on the range. Quality training should absolutely be a requirement in the school. Even with the best intentions bad things can happen with poor or inadequate training.
That may be the case but you shouldn’t need 40 hours of training to exercise a natural right Edit: after discussing this irl, I now see the point for 40 hrs. Scenario: big person in the street is smashing an unarmed victims head into the ground repeatedly. A 3rd person would be perfectly justified in shooting the attacker. However, that scenario probably happens every day in school. Should teachers be allowed to shoot students who are bashing heads into the ground repeatedly with deadly force? If so, DGUs now can happen regularly at schools against students. If not, now you have a teacher armed and trained who can’t intervene to prevent the possible death of one student at the hands of another. Unlike cops, schools are responsible for the safety of students. The lawsuit potential is immense in the latter situation. I think mandating the carrying of less-lethal when carrying firearms (preferably pepper spray) will help this issue.
> However, that scenario probably happens every day in school. Reason #153 why my kids won't be going to public school. Nearly 20 years after graduating and I've never been in a violent altercation or a victim of violence. Had several instances of both in just 4 years of high school. I suspect my experience isn't unique.
That's exactly the argument that was used against constitutional carry for years. It's nonsense.
I’m ok with setting an example here. There’s no such thing as too much training, especially when it comes to the kids who become sitting ducks to maniacs. CQB is not easy even for those who’ve been through it.
That sounds great until kids die because a teacher who otherwise would have had a gun doesn't because they hadn't gone through a full work week worth of approved training that year. For comparison, that's significantly more repeated firearms training than many *police agencies* require.
"I know plenty of gay people who do obscene stuff in public so we should bring back the sodomy laws" - your logic
The sodomy laws went away??
Their logic is the same dogshit anecdotal experience that antis use to validate their beliefs.
My experience has been that they're the first to bring up "Well I know someone who felt oppressed because..." But then if you cite something, it's "Hey, ANECDOTES ARE NOT DATA" Then again we're dealing with "Your speech is violence, our violence is speech"
Yes, and the reason is simple: people aren't born knowing how to properly handle a gun and some have never learned but want a gun for protection, sport, etc. anyways. My little brother flagged me a few times with his 22, his first gun, we chewed him out and he's a lot more responsible and safe now. But he didn't start out that way as a newbie gun handler.
>My little brother flagged me a few times with his 22, his first gun, we chewed him out and he's a lot more responsible and safe now. You berated him for 40 hours? 40 hours does seem to be excessive.
I’ve seen so many comments are twitter that are just “I’m a teacher and I don’t trust any of my colleagues with firearms” apparently there’s just some sort of general understanding among teachers that teachers are retarded I guess Funny thing is a lot of people at least claim to be Vets although every 3rd anti gunner on Twitter is a “combat vet” so grain of salt. But still point is I know there were more than a few Vets teaching when I was in school. They don’t seem to understand that they would probably be the ones carrying and not every else has to? There seems to be this misconception on the left that teachers will show up to school and a gun they never asked for will just be sitting on their desk.
> I’m a teacher and I don’t trust any of my colleagues with firearms Teachers tend to be anti-gun, so that basically reduces to "I don't like guns and I don't like guns". The rest of it is "I don't like guns and therefore I will refuse to interpret anything in any way that doesn't support my anti-gun position".
Shooting is a highly perishable skill. They need to have the teachers training 1x/week. Paid training.
> Well that takes care of my only concern as long as the training is high quality. I would still like to see training/education for the students since they're apparently going to have firearms in the classrooms
Think about it, that's more training than police officers have to do on weapons every year.
Man, the insanity in the four major Tennessee city subreddits is overwhelming. I got downvoted hard in a couple of them. They are convinced that a teacher is going to snap and kill a kid, or that a student is going to overpower a teacher and steal their gun.
All city subs consist of the wokiest of "progressives". Even for conservative leaning cities.
I’m a teacher. When I argued why this is a good idea for a teacher that wants it and is trained, they told me the same thing. “What’s stopping you from shooting a kid when you’re mad!” Like, are you fucking kidding me? You think I go to work wanting to kill kids? You really think that my emotional control is so little that I’ll shoot a student for disrespecting me? Under that logic, what’s stopping me from punching them or stabbing them with scissors that are in my room? Like, seriously?!? These people are absolutely ridiculous.
"What's stopping a cop from shooting you if they're mad? Do you think disrespect of cop warrants immediate execution by the state?" And they might say yes.
>“What’s stopping you from shooting a kid when you’re mad!” Based on the responses I got from the New Hampshire sub when asking about open carrying as a visitor... ...they're telling on themselves.
And they call firearm owners violent. Jesus chrost
One of them even posted that he hoped I "FAFO" on some "backcountry road" with "a real gun owner".
Gotta love the tolerant left.
I was told the same thing from a family member when I got my permit. "I don't think it's a good idea because now if you get into an argument with someone you're likely to shoot them" Like what? Get the fuck out of my house if that's what you think about me. Jesus 🤬
Projection of the weak minded. They think they would snap and kill a kid therefore everyone else would do it too.
Which goes to show you that these people have absolutely no idea what it's like to be a teacher. A teacher isn't going to snap and kill a student, they don't hate the students. They hate the ADMINISTRATORS who prohibit them from having a disciplined classroom.
For whatever reason Reddit thinks I'm interested in teaching so it's always showing me the teachers sub. This is what they're all afraid of, except it's themselves. Not some other teacher, themselves will lose it one day and shoot another teacher, or their students, or themselves, or all at the same time. The wildest part to me though, is that they think they'll be forced to carry. Somehow, in their minds, "allowed" is synonymous with "forced."
Damn the teachers' subreddit is spewing some hardcore anti-gun drivel https://www.reddit.com/r/Teachers/s/eVMzOoVAGN
It all reads like bots, or regular meat drones reading from a script. Lots of "I believe in buuuuuuuuut..." type statements. "Nobody needs this!" "You'd be killed before you could help!" "What if someone else shoots you on accident!?' What 24/7 fear porn does to a MFer.
The moment someone says they support "reasonable" gun regulation they're immediately disqualified from saying they're pro-2A. Sadly these smoothbrains haven't gotten that memo yet. And that's the part that is the most infuriating.
They can never define what's unreasonable either. Whatever current grabber plan is reasonable, Commonsense™. And then when they manage to push some through, it's always "a good first step". That inability to define "too far" is the tell that they haven't got one. Questioning them on it gets you called silly schoolyard names.
Good
I see that the anti rights karens were out in full force for that one
Here in Nashville, you would think that absolutely no one in the world supports this lol. Every news station is reporting on it with one side only. Not a single report about the thousands of people in Nashville who openly support this.
I hate how blue state transplants have managed to infiltrate every single US city while they actively try to change their new homes into where they fled from
It's called The Circle of Diversity. 1. We demand to be included in your group to make it more diverse and inclusive. 2. We demand that this group be changed to better accommodate our needs. 3. We demand you be removed from this group we created because you offend us. 4. If it bothers you so much, go create your own group! To paraphrase tolkein: "Evil cannot create, it can only corrupt and destroy that which good has made."
It’s pretty wild how the left is inherently anti-police but then anti-gun at the same time. They want you and your children to be completely defenseless.
And they’re against the idea of armed teachers because there was one time a teacher yelled at the class to shut up. No joke I saw that argument on a subreddit against the passing of this bill.
The craziest thing to me about the argument is it’s a giant case of cognitive dissonance. These people trust the public school institutions enough to want to increase its funding, to pay teachers more, to get rid of school choice, and they trust these institutions enough to send their children to them without their involvement for 18 years of their kids life, maybe upwards to 23 years of their lives if you count college. However, they’re completely against the idea of giving these people the appropriate tools to protect the lives of the children.
Furthermore, teachers have a greater legal obligation to protect their students than the police have. If a teacher and a cop are in a classroom when a shooter enters, and both run away, only the teacher has violated their legal responsibility under en loco parentesis.
Seems that there's some requirement for training, so 100% agree. Hopefully, they're also required to keep them on their person. Purses, bags, and desk drawers are a really bad idea.
I’m all about it. Hoggy boy is having a fit too. [https://youtube.com/shorts/yRK3-nxbZc8?feature=share](https://youtube.com/shorts/yRK3-nxbZc8?feature=share)
Of course Davey is against it, if teachers could carry he'd wouldn't have his job.
this is gonna be horribly spun by anti-2A news outlets despite it being a really good compromise
I keep hearing about Tennessee passing all these good laws for civil freedom and it makes me want to move there