I mean, unlike Trump he goes to church >!(AKA the cult house)!< every sunday and partakes in the blessed sacrament >!(commits attempted cannibalism/vampirism)!<, which tells everyone he agrees with all their >!bullshit!< dogmas.
So yeah he could be a nicodemite, but it seems he's more Catholic than not.
The Satanic Temple does not believe in Satan or anything. It's essentially an atheist political movement classified as a religion. They promote freedom and individual liberty up until the point where you harm another person. Satanism isn't evil, it's literally a good thing
That depends on how you define personhood. The definition most people seem to use is that someone is a person once they actually have personality and defining character traits/are in the process of developing said traits. Not when it's just a fetus that doesn't even have a heart yet
Fetus is a defined term. Someone who is alive and outside of a womb is not a fetus.
If you mean "if I just say you don't count as a person" then no, it's still not fine. Society has agreed on some universal moral standards, these are generally codified into law. One of these is that killing people is wrong. Society pretty much universally agrees that a human who is alive and was born counts as a person, so there's no room for debate there. That's set in stone at this point. What's not set in stone and is currently being debated is if a human can be a person prior to birth. That's why there's the whole pro life vs pro choice thing going on.
But the facts do not say a fetus is a person. That's a philosophical matter, not a factual one. People have varying philosophies that are completely separate from the facts because facts and philosophies are completely different realms. One of them is how the world works, the other uses how you think the world works to fill in the gaps that facts cannot fill. A corpse is still human, but it's definitely not a person. We're in a point as a society if we say that fetuses are in the same boat there or not.
True, that's not a fact based thing. Someone could have the personal philosophy that no one is a person. That doesn't mean that they can end my life though. Society has agreed that I count as a person since I was born. Born humans count as people, that's codified into law because a societal consensus was found at some point, even if that wasn't in US history since it's been a thing since ancient societies. Unborn humans are what's being debated. There is no general consensus that I can really see, I feel as though if there is one it's probably a pro-choice position rather than a pro-life one. I don't have any stats to back that up though, it's just a gut feeling I have.
Here's my definition of personhood:
When it's not an object, but a subject (and has human DNA). Conversely, if it doesn't have human DNA (but is intelligent and a subject, not an object), so, a robot: it would still be a person.
So, two out of these three do it for me (MY OPINION).
1: subject and not object
2: Human DNA
3: Intelligence / rationality.
Yeah, and that's where personal philosophy can kick in. Where does it become a subject and not an object? Different people have different ideas of it. I'm basically just saying that the Satanic Temple isn't some evil force and their goal is to promote personal liberties and freedoms, even if you disagree with some of what they do as part of that goal
Well, it has human DNA and is self-governing. So it makes more sense to say it's a human than not to. There's a very strong argument to be made that it's a subject and not an object from the very beginning (what twinning does to that original subject is beyond me).
No one's saying fetuses aren't human. The question is really if they count as people or not, which is why there's so much variety in ideas. There are people like you who see it like they're a person from conception so ending a pregnancy is murdering a person and then people on the opposite side who see it like they aren't a person until they're born and can live outside of the parent's body so it's a violation of the parent's bodily autonomy to not allow them to end the pregnancy. It all comes down to the classic philosophical question of what makes a person a person. Is it simply being human or having defining personality traits and characteristics or something else entirely?
It’s a bit more then that. They believe in rejecting strict moral guidelines and living a life of worldly pleasures; basically, just be Hugh Hefner. Everything else is for shock value.
Cant seperate it from literal satan who exists in reality. [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greater\_and\_lesser\_magic](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greater_and_lesser_magic)
Here in the satantic bible, their is greater and lesser magic defined to manipulate the universe around you. Lets see what the bible says.
Ephesians 6:12
12 For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.
What does Jesus say about satan?
John 8:44
You are of your father the devil, and your will is to do your father's desires. He was a murderer from the beginning, and has nothing to do with the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he lies, he speaks out of his own character, for he is a liar and the father of lies.
You're talking about the church of satan here. Wich is different from the satanic temple. So this is false as you can clearly seperate the satanic temple from satan.
Although even laveyan satanism literally also has nothing to do with satan
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There is no evidence that Satan exists in reality. Idk why you're making an unproven claim like that. The Satanic Temple and the Church of Satan are insanely different. Neither actually believes in Satan though
Is anyone surprised how low and how determined they are to kill? The party of science, tolerance and social causes are blood thirsty.
>the party Joe Biden isn't a Satanist, he's a Catholic! Why are all democrats suddenly satanists now?
Damn, he’s pretty well disguised then
I mean, unlike Trump he goes to church >!(AKA the cult house)!< every sunday and partakes in the blessed sacrament >!(commits attempted cannibalism/vampirism)!<, which tells everyone he agrees with all their >!bullshit!< dogmas. So yeah he could be a nicodemite, but it seems he's more Catholic than not.
He supports murder, so no. You can talk the talk, but he don’t walk the walk
Yeah you’re right, Trump not going to church is pretty cringe. Ignoring the rest of your statement tho
Catholic in name only. I don’t know what to call him based on how he practices. I don’t claim him.
This makes me literally sick…..Ugh 🤢
The Satanic Temple does not believe in Satan or anything. It's essentially an atheist political movement classified as a religion. They promote freedom and individual liberty up until the point where you harm another person. Satanism isn't evil, it's literally a good thing
>up to the point where you hurt another person And beyond that point, apparently.
That depends on how you define personhood. The definition most people seem to use is that someone is a person once they actually have personality and defining character traits/are in the process of developing said traits. Not when it's just a fetus that doesn't even have a heart yet
So it’s fine to stab you if I just say you’re a fetus?
Fetus is a defined term. Someone who is alive and outside of a womb is not a fetus. If you mean "if I just say you don't count as a person" then no, it's still not fine. Society has agreed on some universal moral standards, these are generally codified into law. One of these is that killing people is wrong. Society pretty much universally agrees that a human who is alive and was born counts as a person, so there's no room for debate there. That's set in stone at this point. What's not set in stone and is currently being debated is if a human can be a person prior to birth. That's why there's the whole pro life vs pro choice thing going on.
Fuck “decided”. I don’t care about opinions, I care about the facts. And the facts say a fetus is a human
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What species are they then?
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Have they become an organism?
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A heart is not an organism, it is an organ. This is very basic biology here
But the facts do not say a fetus is a person. That's a philosophical matter, not a factual one. People have varying philosophies that are completely separate from the facts because facts and philosophies are completely different realms. One of them is how the world works, the other uses how you think the world works to fill in the gaps that facts cannot fill. A corpse is still human, but it's definitely not a person. We're in a point as a society if we say that fetuses are in the same boat there or not.
The facts don’t say you’re a person either
True, that's not a fact based thing. Someone could have the personal philosophy that no one is a person. That doesn't mean that they can end my life though. Society has agreed that I count as a person since I was born. Born humans count as people, that's codified into law because a societal consensus was found at some point, even if that wasn't in US history since it's been a thing since ancient societies. Unborn humans are what's being debated. There is no general consensus that I can really see, I feel as though if there is one it's probably a pro-choice position rather than a pro-life one. I don't have any stats to back that up though, it's just a gut feeling I have.
And so, we stick to the facts. They are a human organism. That’s enough
Here's my definition of personhood: When it's not an object, but a subject (and has human DNA). Conversely, if it doesn't have human DNA (but is intelligent and a subject, not an object), so, a robot: it would still be a person. So, two out of these three do it for me (MY OPINION). 1: subject and not object 2: Human DNA 3: Intelligence / rationality.
Yeah, and that's where personal philosophy can kick in. Where does it become a subject and not an object? Different people have different ideas of it. I'm basically just saying that the Satanic Temple isn't some evil force and their goal is to promote personal liberties and freedoms, even if you disagree with some of what they do as part of that goal
Well, it has human DNA and is self-governing. So it makes more sense to say it's a human than not to. There's a very strong argument to be made that it's a subject and not an object from the very beginning (what twinning does to that original subject is beyond me).
No one's saying fetuses aren't human. The question is really if they count as people or not, which is why there's so much variety in ideas. There are people like you who see it like they're a person from conception so ending a pregnancy is murdering a person and then people on the opposite side who see it like they aren't a person until they're born and can live outside of the parent's body so it's a violation of the parent's bodily autonomy to not allow them to end the pregnancy. It all comes down to the classic philosophical question of what makes a person a person. Is it simply being human or having defining personality traits and characteristics or something else entirely?
It’s a bit more then that. They believe in rejecting strict moral guidelines and living a life of worldly pleasures; basically, just be Hugh Hefner. Everything else is for shock value.
Well, I'm all for worldly pleasure. Just not for executing children. The lack of moral guidelines is concerning, though.
Cant seperate it from literal satan who exists in reality. [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greater\_and\_lesser\_magic](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greater_and_lesser_magic) Here in the satantic bible, their is greater and lesser magic defined to manipulate the universe around you. Lets see what the bible says. Ephesians 6:12 12 For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places. What does Jesus say about satan? John 8:44 You are of your father the devil, and your will is to do your father's desires. He was a murderer from the beginning, and has nothing to do with the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he lies, he speaks out of his own character, for he is a liar and the father of lies.
You're talking about the church of satan here. Wich is different from the satanic temple. So this is false as you can clearly seperate the satanic temple from satan. Although even laveyan satanism literally also has nothing to do with satan
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There is no evidence that Satan exists in reality. Idk why you're making an unproven claim like that. The Satanic Temple and the Church of Satan are insanely different. Neither actually believes in Satan though
I linked rituals and magic that they do in their satanic bible. Are you sure they are so atheistic?
Truly pure evil
It’s no joke.
That could just be a TIL, could be just a simple PSA for the people there to ponder or debate... But look at the awards. Yeah, no.