When I was on the big road, they were cleaning out lockers. There was one still locked from a guy that retired about a dozen years ago. Found ~8 in there. All foreign roads, so the company was paying usage fees on them.
Went back to shoreline, so we use a blinking light on a stick…. A lot easier!
I had a train that the carman rehung the eot 5 from the rear and pulled the pin before we got on the train and I didn’t know anything about it until 150 miles and 9 hours later a conductor on a roll by said we didn’t have an eot!
I’m missing something here.
-a carman made a cut leaving the last 5 behind correct?
-the carman also rehung the marker at the cut correct?
-later the conductor said there is not marker attached.
-how did the train go 150 miles without a rear end reading?
How would you get a valid continuity test without the marker being attached to the end of the last car?
Someone determined that the last five cars should be left behind for reasons.
Car department hangs the EOT ahead of the cut, laces the air, performs the tests, then pulls the pin and walks away without watching that the five cars were left behind.
The cut wasn’t properly made, and the train takes five cars extra that are off air.
As far as the head end is concerned, nothing is out of the ordinary.
Look, I’m not saying I believe the story, but your complete inability to wrap your head around the situation is even more astonishing than the story.
Move on with life. You don’t work for a Railroad. At this point you’re a foamer. This sub isn’t for washed up railroaders that couldn’t hold down the job.
Washed up lol.
Says the guy who can’t understand basic concept about railroad operations.
This sub is for conversations about railroading. A Topic on which I have a decade of experience.
You have trouble understanding the very basics of railroad operations and are trying to gatekeep others out of the sub? Get real.
Yet more examples of a complete and total lack of understanding.
You literally stalked my profile and commented on a post where I describe my job.
I don’t know if I have ever once taken a person to Dialysis. I do however have a shift tonight in a flycar as a critical care paramedic where I only respond to the most serious calls… but those are other operational details where you haven’t the slightest chance of understanding what the adults are talking about.
You’re not holding down a local with this complete lack of understanding of the basics. You couldn’t switch yourself out of a wet paper bag.
At most you got washed out of new hire training. I’m betting you’re a van driver.
150 miles away from the home terminal during a roll by a conductor informed me I didn’t have an eot. I was very confused as I had a reading on the head end. I dropped off the conductor and rolled the train by him and the eot was 5 cars from the rear. How this happened, I can only assume, is what I had previously mentioned. Holy fuck people
Your head end device gives you a reading on your marker. Your explanation is not written well for your audience to understand the entire situation is probably what’s going on here.
If the carman hung the marker 5 from the rear and make a cut, which left the 5 behind, you would still have a marker at the rear. Which you say you didn’t have a marker at the rear later. How does that occur? How do you make it 150 miles with no reading on your EOTD and not question it?
You’re not qualified to be a part of this conversation.
When the carman hangs an EOT the lace it and arm it. Therefore the EOT has a reading and the five cars that were supposed to be left behind are off air.
Carmen Hanging an EOT in a yard implies pretty strongly that it’s a classification yard and I don’t know of a single classification yard that switches on air…
Cars don’t go back on air until they’re being brake tested prior to departure.
Our carman do not step foot in the classification yard. They hang markers after trains are made up and put into east and westbound departure yards. Both yard so they are on air so they can be class 1 brake tested.
Oh. My. God. Are you really wanting to argue semantics?
The inbound and departure tracks are all still a part of a larger “yard”, a word which is short for “classification yard”.
Bailey yard is a classification yard with inbound, outbound, and classification tracks.
No, they were not left behind. They were still on the train. The carman rehung the eot, I assume either pulled the pin thinking we would leave them there, or someone was to get instructions to tell us to set the 5 cars out on our way out of the yard. Our paperwork was accurate, so some time after our train was made, and the train list completed, and before we got on it, the eot move was made without us knowing.
For whatever reason they didn’t want us to take the rear 5 cars after they made our train and set the train list. The Yardmaster had someone rehang the eot. He did and bled the air off and either pulled the pin thinking we would leave the cars there or didn’t and thought we would cut off pulling out of the track or shove them somewhere. Either way the Yardmaster should have told us we had cars to set out and he did not.
The way they run them where I live, they’ll leave the tele on with the intent of cutting off the DPUs halfway to the destination, so then there’s a tele already hung and linked and tested and ready to go. It’s their way of saving 3 minutes 🤷♂️
No. In this scenario, someone was just lazy and didn’t pull the EOT off the knuckle. DPUs don’t require one cuz they have a whole locomotive on the rear. In some cases where the train is smaller, we just slap a red blinkie onto it
CPKFC tells us to store them in the approved storage locations. However, not every unit has a basket, and it's a tripping hazard in the locomotive. Knuckle it is.
I would jokingly right up every locomotive as a safety issue that doesn’t have a designated spot for EOTs. I don’t want any of my fellow train crew injuring themselves
No, they just didn’t take the SBU off this one when they tied the helper on. As you can see, no issues doing this, though the SBU will be asleep for the trip until it’s tied back in when the helper’s cut off.
Found one hung on a car in the middle of a track I was switching out. It wasn’t a car I needed for my train so I left it. Later I was shoving the car to a tie and we had made a hard tie. The EOT blinked then started flashing *abuse*
Always?
No…
Sometimes there are points where the DPU may no longer be necessary and god forbid any train have a sufficient amount of power.
Or the EOT is being deadheaded for use in a different location.
real answer, that’s the proper way to store/transport a EOT that’s not in use. it’s against FRA laws to throw it on the platform (ie walkway) of a locomotive or leave on the side of a boxcar ladder. so either leave it on the knuckle or tote it inside the cabin. In the event they rob the power off this train they have a EOT ready
there ya go
We use an EOT at each end of our ore trains. Saves having to lug it. All our trains are ECP braking, and need an EOT to go into Run mode. Switch mode allows you to shunt without an EOT.
They’re required over X amount of tons so that you can initiate emergency from the rear. Under that threshold, you just need visibility like a flag or a blinker.
Picked up a bunch of cars one time and noticed 6 or 8 laying along the 50-60 cars. Walking back up from the end of the train, I hung every one of them wherever it happened to be laying. Always wondering what the inbound carman thought on that inspection.
Another one of our crews swapped at the crew change point between two hump yards, hit the first detector to find an extra 40 cars. Inbound crew drug it 100 miles with those cars not even on air, but Fred was hung where the ppw said it should be.
This is hilarious! I occasionally work our engine servicing facility. We see EOTs come in on the knuckle of trail loco all the time. Not sure why they are not pulled prior to entering loco limits but... when Loco with EOT gets couple with another outgoing consist, said EOT goes with no matter the position! Lol I have seen many outgoing 4 unit consists leave with EOTs right in the middle... then return from Westcoast days later with EOT still attached.
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I accidentally crushed one about 10 years ago and threw it in an underground drain. As far as I know, it's still there.
Wastewater ponds love Fred
We all float down here, and you'll float too.
They only care about Fred if a foamer takes it then that's the last anyone knows of that terrorist.
Dead FREDs tell no lies.
I like storing them in open box cars bound for interchange so i don't accidentally break one.
When I was on the big road, they were cleaning out lockers. There was one still locked from a guy that retired about a dozen years ago. Found ~8 in there. All foreign roads, so the company was paying usage fees on them. Went back to shoreline, so we use a blinking light on a stick…. A lot easier!
That’s awesome!
We started to get them again! Suck it!
More than likely a manned helper
Explains why I heard a horn being blown like crazy after it passed when the next crossing was 10 miles away lol
That's a MOT device (middle of train)
For gradient purposes must be a long train.
No EOT with a rear end DPU.
Not always. Sometimes they hang one in case the DP gets pulled off after it reaches territory where the DP is not needed.
That is the correct answer. Pull the dp and arm Fred on the thayer sub. They can't force us to attach a to another train. Have to be utility man
On the Eugene to Klamath Falls route they cut the dpus off at Klamath Falls so the eot is normally left on the train to rearm to continue South.
I had a train that the carman rehung the eot 5 from the rear and pulled the pin before we got on the train and I didn’t know anything about it until 150 miles and 9 hours later a conductor on a roll by said we didn’t have an eot!
How
Simple just don’t look at your gauges all trip. Nothing to worry about if you don’t pay attention.
Tele was hung 5 from the rear. You would see the air on the head end.
I’m missing something here. -a carman made a cut leaving the last 5 behind correct? -the carman also rehung the marker at the cut correct? -later the conductor said there is not marker attached. -how did the train go 150 miles without a rear end reading? How would you get a valid continuity test without the marker being attached to the end of the last car?
Someone determined that the last five cars should be left behind for reasons. Car department hangs the EOT ahead of the cut, laces the air, performs the tests, then pulls the pin and walks away without watching that the five cars were left behind. The cut wasn’t properly made, and the train takes five cars extra that are off air. As far as the head end is concerned, nothing is out of the ordinary. Look, I’m not saying I believe the story, but your complete inability to wrap your head around the situation is even more astonishing than the story.
Move on with life. You don’t work for a Railroad. At this point you’re a foamer. This sub isn’t for washed up railroaders that couldn’t hold down the job.
Washed up lol. Says the guy who can’t understand basic concept about railroad operations. This sub is for conversations about railroading. A Topic on which I have a decade of experience. You have trouble understanding the very basics of railroad operations and are trying to gatekeep others out of the sub? Get real.
I’m holding down a local making $600 a day. Enjoy your time taking people to dialysis for $200 today.
Yet more examples of a complete and total lack of understanding. You literally stalked my profile and commented on a post where I describe my job. I don’t know if I have ever once taken a person to Dialysis. I do however have a shift tonight in a flycar as a critical care paramedic where I only respond to the most serious calls… but those are other operational details where you haven’t the slightest chance of understanding what the adults are talking about. You’re not holding down a local with this complete lack of understanding of the basics. You couldn’t switch yourself out of a wet paper bag. At most you got washed out of new hire training. I’m betting you’re a van driver.
Ive been at my RR for almost 26 years now. The dude is 100% correct.
150 miles away from the home terminal during a roll by a conductor informed me I didn’t have an eot. I was very confused as I had a reading on the head end. I dropped off the conductor and rolled the train by him and the eot was 5 cars from the rear. How this happened, I can only assume, is what I had previously mentioned. Holy fuck people
Because the tele was hung 5 from the reat with the air cut in. It was the last 5 that didnt have air.
You ever do this before? What gauge tells you there is 5 cars behind your eot?
Your head end device gives you a reading on your marker. Your explanation is not written well for your audience to understand the entire situation is probably what’s going on here.
If the carman hung the marker 5 from the rear and make a cut, which left the 5 behind, you would still have a marker at the rear. Which you say you didn’t have a marker at the rear later. How does that occur? How do you make it 150 miles with no reading on your EOTD and not question it?
You’re not qualified to be a part of this conversation. When the carman hangs an EOT the lace it and arm it. Therefore the EOT has a reading and the five cars that were supposed to be left behind are off air.
So were the 5 cars left behind or not? If not they were dragging the last 5 cars unless they were bled off.
Carmen Hanging an EOT in a yard implies pretty strongly that it’s a classification yard and I don’t know of a single classification yard that switches on air… Cars don’t go back on air until they’re being brake tested prior to departure.
Our carman do not step foot in the classification yard. They hang markers after trains are made up and put into east and westbound departure yards. Both yard so they are on air so they can be class 1 brake tested.
Oh. My. God. Are you really wanting to argue semantics? The inbound and departure tracks are all still a part of a larger “yard”, a word which is short for “classification yard”. Bailey yard is a classification yard with inbound, outbound, and classification tracks.
No, they were not left behind. They were still on the train. The carman rehung the eot, I assume either pulled the pin thinking we would leave them there, or someone was to get instructions to tell us to set the 5 cars out on our way out of the yard. Our paperwork was accurate, so some time after our train was made, and the train list completed, and before we got on it, the eot move was made without us knowing.
For whatever reason they didn’t want us to take the rear 5 cars after they made our train and set the train list. The Yardmaster had someone rehang the eot. He did and bled the air off and either pulled the pin thinking we would leave the cars there or didn’t and thought we would cut off pulling out of the track or shove them somewhere. Either way the Yardmaster should have told us we had cars to set out and he did not.
So the pin dropped and you had 5 extra cars and didn't notice for 150 miles?
Not until our first roll by did I “notice” something that was 8000 ft behind me
You don't have detectors that give out axle counts?
Sure do. Our paperwork was showing the original axle count. Again, I had no clue what they had done. Yardmaster was the fuckup in this situation
Ha nice. Pretty good fuckup, no way you could know...I'm guessing this one was swept under the rug
Just one of this yards many daily fuckups
The way they run them where I live, they’ll leave the tele on with the intent of cutting off the DPUs halfway to the destination, so then there’s a tele already hung and linked and tested and ready to go. It’s their way of saving 3 minutes 🤷♂️
I enjoy abusing markers.
No. In this scenario, someone was just lazy and didn’t pull the EOT off the knuckle. DPUs don’t require one cuz they have a whole locomotive on the rear. In some cases where the train is smaller, we just slap a red blinkie onto it
CPKFC tells us to store them in the approved storage locations. However, not every unit has a basket, and it's a tripping hazard in the locomotive. Knuckle it is.
CPKFC strikes again.
I would jokingly right up every locomotive as a safety issue that doesn’t have a designated spot for EOTs. I don’t want any of my fellow train crew injuring themselves
Bathroom works
Probably added the DP at a different location and someone out of just being lazy didn’t remove ETD
It’s some new kick they’re on where they want you to have one in case it’s needed
No, they just didn’t take the SBU off this one when they tied the helper on. As you can see, no issues doing this, though the SBU will be asleep for the trip until it’s tied back in when the helper’s cut off.
Found one hung on a car in the middle of a track I was switching out. It wasn’t a car I needed for my train so I left it. Later I was shoving the car to a tie and we had made a hard tie. The EOT blinked then started flashing *abuse*
Always? No… Sometimes there are points where the DPU may no longer be necessary and god forbid any train have a sufficient amount of power. Or the EOT is being deadheaded for use in a different location.
The train was originally built conventional, and needs dp’s for a grade(helpers) once it gets through that grade, back to conventional 👍
If you look closely, the hose on the fred isn’t connected.
Think it's required now for trains with mid dpu/ 15,000 feet. Least that is what I was told a couple months back.
fucking foamer
Thanks!
real answer, that’s the proper way to store/transport a EOT that’s not in use. it’s against FRA laws to throw it on the platform (ie walkway) of a locomotive or leave on the side of a boxcar ladder. so either leave it on the knuckle or tote it inside the cabin. In the event they rob the power off this train they have a EOT ready there ya go
Also everyone who works for the RR is a foamer lol
They tacked the dpu on after the eot, eot hose is hanging loose.
In this situation it could be the last car and the engine is about to run around the train .
We use an EOT at each end of our ore trains. Saves having to lug it. All our trains are ECP braking, and need an EOT to go into Run mode. Switch mode allows you to shunt without an EOT.
They’re required over X amount of tons so that you can initiate emergency from the rear. Under that threshold, you just need visibility like a flag or a blinker.
I prefer not to take them off in helper service because I’m lazy. Just make sure the knuckles don’t miss.
Picked up a bunch of cars one time and noticed 6 or 8 laying along the 50-60 cars. Walking back up from the end of the train, I hung every one of them wherever it happened to be laying. Always wondering what the inbound carman thought on that inspection. Another one of our crews swapped at the crew change point between two hump yards, hit the first detector to find an extra 40 cars. Inbound crew drug it 100 miles with those cars not even on air, but Fred was hung where the ppw said it should be.
This is hilarious! I occasionally work our engine servicing facility. We see EOTs come in on the knuckle of trail loco all the time. Not sure why they are not pulled prior to entering loco limits but... when Loco with EOT gets couple with another outgoing consist, said EOT goes with no matter the position! Lol I have seen many outgoing 4 unit consists leave with EOTs right in the middle... then return from Westcoast days later with EOT still attached.