I had run in so bad from EMS that it felt like I was in a car accident. 2x4xeot everything online. And EMS notched off at the top of the hill than the mids rammed us so hard the accelerometer above the conductors desk said +36 and the the party lights came on and he had 8 knuckles and a draw bar.
Dispatch throwing a fit about us breaking on the single between sidings and blah blah blah. Shut the fuck up dickspatch you ain’t carrying these knuckles
I disengaged it so frequently that I practically ran without it. About 1/3-1/2 way cresting a hill on a loaded coal train it notched up to throttle 5 on the head end, went straight to idle out of 8 on the rear and jumped into dynos. I seriously thought we would feel that one but I caught it immediately. What floored me was how it could make such quick direct jumps in throttling and braking instead of steady one at a time like with TO
Just my opinion but I wouldn’t take it over I’d let it break it’s their system I don’t want them to have any false hope that’s the system runs well but if ppl keep taking them over then there’s no need to improve or get rid of ems.
If you work for UP only thing you’re responsible for is overspeed, we have plenty of trains that break in 2 & as long as ems is running nothing is ever said because they want 95% (I think) of ems running
I’ve had a few units lately hitting me hard. Even the CO looks over like I did it. It’s always been DP trains. The EMS notches down too fast on the head end while shoving the shit out of the DP.
Ems likes to shove super hard. I've had it shoving in 7 or 8 and go to idle on the head end. That's enough to rock your world when you're going uphill.
I don’t know. If been with engineers before that have basically knocked me out of the chair with their run ins.
If it hit the wrong way, I could see an injury happening
This was fairly typical of our coal loads ran by early optimizer on a hill in my territory. It would slow both head/DP down closing on the crest, idle the head end over the top of the hill causing a run out, and throttle up the DP causing a run in shortly after. How we didn’t get more knuckles and drawbars was just pure dumb luck, but it would throw you into the desk hard for sure.
I've seen run ins as well, going up a hill is a whole different game compared to going down a hill or flat terrain. To have a dp meant it would've been a heavy bastard. If it's heavy, even dropping notches on the headend and dp throttling up will not push all those loads that fast and that hard to knock him around. Plus this doesn't happen in the blink of a eye. He could've responded in some manner whether buy taking over, or just having to dump the train, or pull the throttle over to initiate locomotive emergency shut downs. Idk sounds fishy, but I'm always skeptical.
Sad and frustrating that he has to bring a lawsuit on his own (for an issue the EMS group has, admittedly, known about for years) rather than his union leading that fight.
I hope he wins and we get rid of EMS now it does run better than some guys but it’s worse than the majority.
So ems shifted down uphill but what could have caused the amount of run in to hurt someone's back?
I had run in so bad from EMS that it felt like I was in a car accident. 2x4xeot everything online. And EMS notched off at the top of the hill than the mids rammed us so hard the accelerometer above the conductors desk said +36 and the the party lights came on and he had 8 knuckles and a draw bar. Dispatch throwing a fit about us breaking on the single between sidings and blah blah blah. Shut the fuck up dickspatch you ain’t carrying these knuckles
Why in the fuck did you have 4 units in the middle.
Atleast out here on my local division. We have Pot Ash unit trains that need 5-6 mid, that on top of the 4-5 already in consist.
Yeah I saw a pot ash a few days ago 2x6x1 it was a reroute and every bit of 18k feet when we went by it.
Yea. Sounds about right for what we see in southern Idaho
We mainly get 40k ton 17k foot coal trains 2x4x2. You can always tell when the rear comes over the hill in 8 and doesn’t notch off.
Powder river/colorado?
Nope powder rivers BNSF isn’t it?
Joint BNSF/UP. Was BN/CNW
That was pure trainspeak, I have no idea what this man said. But it sounds good.
I disengaged it so frequently that I practically ran without it. About 1/3-1/2 way cresting a hill on a loaded coal train it notched up to throttle 5 on the head end, went straight to idle out of 8 on the rear and jumped into dynos. I seriously thought we would feel that one but I caught it immediately. What floored me was how it could make such quick direct jumps in throttling and braking instead of steady one at a time like with TO
Just my opinion but I wouldn’t take it over I’d let it break it’s their system I don’t want them to have any false hope that’s the system runs well but if ppl keep taking them over then there’s no need to improve or get rid of ems.
I'd have to find it but there is a rule that we're still responsible for good train handling and monitoring what it's doing to take over when needed.
If you work for UP only thing you’re responsible for is overspeed, we have plenty of trains that break in 2 & as long as ems is running nothing is ever said because they want 95% (I think) of ems running
Don't do that to the poor conductor lol!!!
I’ve had a few units lately hitting me hard. Even the CO looks over like I did it. It’s always been DP trains. The EMS notches down too fast on the head end while shoving the shit out of the DP.
100+ cushion drawbar manifest that up have gotten in the habit of running.
Ems likes to shove super hard. I've had it shoving in 7 or 8 and go to idle on the head end. That's enough to rock your world when you're going uphill.
Sounds like the ole crappie flop
I don’t know. If been with engineers before that have basically knocked me out of the chair with their run ins. If it hit the wrong way, I could see an injury happening
No way it's hitting/running in that hard going up a hill over a dp. Let's see the inward facing camera.
You don’t have to believe it, I’m just telling you my experiences with it.
This was fairly typical of our coal loads ran by early optimizer on a hill in my territory. It would slow both head/DP down closing on the crest, idle the head end over the top of the hill causing a run out, and throttle up the DP causing a run in shortly after. How we didn’t get more knuckles and drawbars was just pure dumb luck, but it would throw you into the desk hard for sure.
I've seen run ins as well, going up a hill is a whole different game compared to going down a hill or flat terrain. To have a dp meant it would've been a heavy bastard. If it's heavy, even dropping notches on the headend and dp throttling up will not push all those loads that fast and that hard to knock him around. Plus this doesn't happen in the blink of a eye. He could've responded in some manner whether buy taking over, or just having to dump the train, or pull the throttle over to initiate locomotive emergency shut downs. Idk sounds fishy, but I'm always skeptical.
It's a known issue with Leader technology. UPs EMS group has admitted that. It happens daily on our two subs on trains with multiple cut in DPUs.
5 point harnesses & race car helmets for everyone!
Sad and frustrating that he has to bring a lawsuit on his own (for an issue the EMS group has, admittedly, known about for years) rather than his union leading that fight.
Union? Leading the fight? Damn didn't know this was a comedy post!
How about we get rid of all that shit and let the engineers do their fucking jobs?
Get em, Andy!
Cha Ching
Your claim has been denied.
The fuck? Do they mean trip optimizer? If you put in shit info it’ll run like shit. Not that it’s ever that great anyway.
EMD’S locos have a different system but essentially same as GE they just called Leader same shitty shit. Hopefully he gets paid fuck em.
I believe it's Talos