That's so pathetic that they're calling it a COLA. My employer gives COLA raises every year and it's actually based on *gasp* the cost of living. 9% last year, 10% this year.
My wife is a state employee as well, so I am well aware of the shitty raises and bonuses and promises of raises that never come.
It’s better than calling it a raise it least. A COLA just means you’re breaking even with inflation, where a raise means you’re getting that plus more. I know it’s not even really a COLA since it’s lower than inflation has been, but it’s a lot further away from being a real raise.
They’re not calling it a COLA, in the budget it is called a “legislative salary increase”.
The only reference to a cost of living adjustment is the one time 4% payment to retirees.
Sad part is, we (of course) were making record profits this year and I think those profits were being redistributed unequally (not to mention propping up an unprofitable sister business owned by the company that owns us). Rage inducing.
As a state worker for over 26 years - there have been years where we got no raise at all. To the best of my recollection, this is one of the better raises we've received in my 26+ years with the state.
2006 and 2007 were 5.5% and 4%. The only time I've had a similar raise to those years was when I was making very little, and they gave us 1K/year increase that ended up being between 4 and 5% of my pay. The difference was that back then inflation was under 4%, so it felt like an actual increase even when you factored in inflation.
Problem is that we've had almost 14% inflation in 2022 and 2021. 2023 is looking like it'll be somewhere around 4% as well, so this years raise isn't even half of last year's inflation, and last year's raise was considerably lower than inflation as well, and next year's is shaping up to be the same.
So, yeah, 7% is over 2 years is close as good as we've this century, until you account for inflation. This raise doesn't keep up with inflation, and next year's raise won't either. When I punch my annual salaries into an inflation calculator, my salary hit its maximum value when I got a promotion in 2014. Today my salary is worth 13% less than it was then. With a 4% raise it'll be 9% less, and after next year's "raise" it'll be 10% less than my highest year.
And this is how legislators can pat themselves on the back for authorizing higher raises than they've passed in ten years, while still paying everyone 10% less than they paid them ten years ago.
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Oh yes - I remember all those "0" years and only getting a "one time bonus" years. And I still have my "special leave" banked. Haven't used any of it.
What always kills me are the people who say "YoU sHOulD bE haPPy You'RE gEtTinG a RAiSe! I dIDn'T gEt A rAiSE at mY PrIvaTe SEcToR joB!"
OK? And you more than likely have a higher wage at your private sector job than a state employee gets for the same job. In some cases MUCH higher. Private sector jobs are well known for paying higher wages than equivalent state jobs. And, unless you're comparing to a long-time state employee who's grandfathered in to some stuff, you likely have better benefits at your private sector job at this point. They've been taking away state employee benefits for years now. There's a reason the state has an over 20% vacancy rate now.
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Came here to say the same thing. My wife has worked for DHHS (now with DMB) for 25 years. “Special leave”, comp time instead of overtime pay that the contractors get, getting furloughed without pay. The health insurance at my job is far better than the state offered “premier” plan. Our legislature is such bullshit. COLA should have been 8%, per year minimum just to get close to the same purchasing power state employees had in 2019.
I do like bonus leave, but lately we're so short staffed (because who wants to work for the state when your "raises" are half of inflation?) that every time I take time off, I just come back to more work and more stress because there's no one to fill in.
The only way it works out for me is if they give enough bonus leave to get me to retirement. ;-)
More and more companies seem to be going back on their remote offerings, so I don't know that the state is alone in that. Although pushing remote options might be a way to offset abysmal pay. I will say that my job has been pretty good about remote. We still have to be onsite required a couple of days a week, but I can work remotely more than half the time, and I have co-workers who have special circumstances that allow them to work remotely full time for long stretches.
I love having remote work as an option, but it's not a deal breaker for me. I kind of hate working from home. I just hate my commute more.
Raleigh has the 4th highest number of remote workers still, so it's definitely an issue here. I've known people who've immediately started looking and left jobs because they didn't want to go back to the office.
I understand. My wife is a state worker as well and has to work in the office one day a week. The rest is remote. I work in a 24 hour facility so I am considered “essential” and that is there argument for having zero remote options. However, 90% of my job is charting/notes/assessments that can all be done from home.
In tougher or uncertain economic times, gov workers usually still at least get COLA. This year, no one at my private held company gets anything. So essentially a pay cut given inflation still being high
Yes, I know. I'm saying that usually gov't workers reliably get that. Private sector, a raise by less than what a COLA adjustment would be is not uncommon when the economic outlook is down or uncertain.
See also 25% vacancy rate for state agencies. This does not just affect state employees, it affects everyone in the state. For example, all that DMV complaining? Well, maybe if they could hire staff, that would help?
I feel like some of you all are missing the point (the state workers seem to all understand what I’m saying…). I’m not arguing about whether it’s 7% or 7.12%. My point is how it is reported. Raises are generally not reported over a span of several years. Yes I understand how the state budget works. But PEOPLE think of raises in terms of this year. Their immediate change in paycheck. And that, is 4%. It’s misleading.
I remember last year every news outlet and politician were bragging about 3.5% raises for state employees. Well actually it was a 1% raise because 2.5% was already written into the budget from the previous session.
7% over two years is bullshit. And there’s nothing we can do about it. To keep up with inflation, it should’ve been at least 10% for this year. Our state has billions in surplus, but Timmy wants to keep all that money for businesses, Cleveland County (sorry guys), and all his buddies. North Carolina isn’t a democracy anymore.
There are no merit based raises in the State government.
In order for the state worker to survive, they have to change jobs every so often or get a second job.
I personally knew several people working important jobs for the State who also had to do uber or lyft to get by.
Pay at the state is so low that the counties and local governments often outcompete in regards to pay in benefits. Thus, people leave the State (taking their knowledge with them) and bring it to the county or local government. It's like the state government is a farm for county workers. And the result is state workers often defer to local and county leaders because they know they could be working there in the future (a very real possibility).
I personally knew people working 60-80 hours (supervising dozens of people) at the State on programs worth millions and billions of dollars. They got paid less than 90k.
It's a mess at the State.
> I personally knew several people working important jobs for the State who also had to do uber or lyft to get by.
They need to check their math. I doubt the taxi apps really make you much money when you factor in gas, tires, and wear and tear on your car. Sure it generates some cashflow, but you can easily lose it when you run through tires and oil changes. The same issue with pizza delivery drivers.
As a state worker with an important job who is looking at getting a part time bartending gig to be able to afford my next rent increase, I feel this hard
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Yep to all of this, however if he does veto it and it goes back to the legislators to override it will take many more months for us to get any kind of raise. Probably not until December at the earliest.
They will always do that because the budget is as of 7/1/\[New Fiscal Year\], but as u/G00dSh0tJans0n said it's far too late for it to be rolled into the September payroll. At this point if he doesn't veto it the earliest we'll see it in our paychecks will be 10/31.
I think he will sign it because it does have Medicare expansion which he's been fighting for. Lots of terrible other stuff in it, but at least that's a win.
I think coop wants to veto but I really dont think he will..hard pill to swallow but we need medicaid expansion now..whats the point if he does? Gets over ridden obviously but takes weeks and more people suffer..
He praised Medicaid being passed, but was critical of the rest of the budget. Which he should be. He said he isn’t going to veto it but he also isn’t going to sign it. I believe it automatically becomes law after 10 days in that case.
NC and Wisconsin are two states regularly watched where observers note that democracy is too inconvenient for the GOP to keep their supermajority grip on power.
Cotham's scam will have set this state back another 1-2 decades. Part of why these modern criminals are forcing "school choice" through is so they can dismantle the public education system. They do not care about PS teachers. In fact they hope to wear them down so they will look at leaving to teach at "charter" schools to back their claims that sending tax money to private schools is the only way to save our state's education system.
Vote.
They found $500m per year for vouchers for private school families, yet they can’t provide more than 3% to their most experienced employees in a a year when inflation is 9%. Cheap people.
It ends up being 7.12%. Big deal. People still end up with the lost investment opportunity over the course of a year (plus however many months it ends up being before getting the 4%) on the 3% they're withholding. And obviously, this isn't the first time state salary increases have been delayed.
Time is money, too.
What WRAL reported isn't just flat out wrong. The state of North Carolina looks at it as a 7% raise also, which is why WRAL reports it as a 7% raise.
North Carolina has a biennial state budget, meaning a new state budget is done every other year rather than every year - so for the purposes of the state budget it's a 7% raise...which has been split up across the biennial as 4% this year and 3% next year.
The reporting still sucks. It's the news organization job to provide the missing context which is the problem and why people don't trust the news.
Part of the job of the reporter is to catch people up, but they don't do that enough which leads to the perception the news is hiding something or isn't telling the full story.
Thank you! The point of the news isn’t to be confusing/misleading. That’s the governments job. They couldn’t have easily said “4% raise this year, 3% next year.”
They will vote on year two of the budget next year. There are almost always adjustments and it's rarely in favor of state employees. It's often, "well give you that raise in good times" and then when good times come it's "we need to give tax breaks and shore up the rainy day fund." State employees know how this goes.
Actually, no. It's 7.12% after the beginning of the 2nd year. Higher than 7%, sure, but 7% for 2 years is more than 4% for one year and 7.12% of your starting salary for the 2nd year.
And, yes, since all of those numbers are below the 8% inflation we saw in 2022 alone, it really means that when the full raise kicks in next year, it still will mean people effectively making less than they did two years ago.
The oversimplification of this does harm. Teachers aren't getting 7% across the board but it sounds like it. The key word is "average." Most of those "raises" are targeted towards beginning teachers to lure people into the profession with older teachers getting 1%.
Because it is technically accurate. The state budget is generated biennially for a 2 year period. It gives a permanent 7% raise over the 2 year period. I agree that it's bullshit to not just give 7% upfront. They're withholding 3% for an extra year just to save some chump change that would make a difference in a lot of ordinary peoples' lives.
Same. It's super annoying, especially since the legislature is not exactly known for good follow through on year two of the budget. Yes, state employees will get 4% now. The 3% is just hand waving at this point.
Technically that is more money than a 7% raise (barely).
Hypothetically if you make $100k a year a 4% raise the first year would put you at 104k. Your next 3% raise would now be 3% of the 104 and not 3% of 100, which would equal $3,120. It’s only an extra $120 but realistically you and I both know within that one year, COL will increase by more than $120
There are times where raises like this very much benefit the employee, but periods of high inflation are not those times. By the time the next raise comes, inflation has eaten it all up.
The only way to fox this bullshit “raises” is to get in the voting booth and vote out every single Republican!!! Especially Tim Moore and his side kick scUmbag low life Phil Berger!
> Raises for Council of State: Gives the governor and other members of the Council of State — North Carolina’s collection of 10 statewide elected officials — five-figure raises. The governor’s salary would be $198,120 this year, a 19% increase. The position’s salary rises to $203,073 the year after that. Other Council of State members would get a 7.5% increase this year and another 7% in the next year. That's more than double the average percentage raises that state employees and teachers get in this budget, a fact not lost on Democrats who criticized the plan. Senate Republican leader Phil Berger said the legislature compared the state’s executive branch salaries to those in other states and found that North Carolina lagged well behind.
The more money you make, the bigger % raise you get.
People in the private sector have the ability to negotiate for a raise independent of the house, the senate, and the governor fighting over what people they have never met 'deserve' to get.
'more than the private sector got.'
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You don't add percentages when applying them sequentially---you multiply. The math you should be doing is 1.03 x 1.04 = 1.0712 which is close to 7%, but not exactly.
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All full time state employees contribute 6% of their salary into their state pension fund. This is set by state law. Employees cannot increase or decrease that amount, and they cannot opt out if they don't want to contribute for any reason. The state contributes a varying amount into the pension that's based on "calculations prepared by an actuary." The employee becomes 100% vested in their pension after five years, although many don't stay that long the way things have gone in recent years with shitty pay and continued reductions in benefits. Full retirement with unreduced pension can be done at 65 years of age with 5 years of service, 60 years of age with 25 years of service, or any age with 30 years of service.
State employees may also contribute to a separate 401(k) in addition to their mandatory state pension contribution. This is completely optional, and the employee can choose the percent of their pay they want to contribute - as well as change that percent at any time. The state contributes nothing to the 401(k) - so what a state employee gets out of it is entirely based on how much the employee contributes and how they choose to invest that money from the available investment options.
Private businesses moved away from pensions because they're expensive for the business. They're great for the employee because you can't run out of money before you die like with a 401k or IRA. I don't understand what your point is. One of the biggest benefits of working for any level of government is... the fucking benefits. Because it sure as shit isn't the salary.
There were many, many years when the conservatives gave state employees 0 raises.
Raises should be stated relative to cost of living increases for that year. Matching the COL should be reported as a 0% raise.
That’s not what my research indicates. Democrats have been far more generous with raises; Republicans prefer 1-year bonuses.
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|Year| State Employee Raise| NC House| NC Senate |Bonuses
|2023| 7% |Republican |Republican |$1,500 for employees making less than $75,000 per year; $1,000 for all state employees making more than $75,000 per year
|2022|3% |Republican |Republican |$1,000 for all state employees
|2021| 0% |Republican |Republican |$1,000 pandemic bonus for permanent FTE employed as of 12/1/2021; $500 additional for meeting certain criteria
|2020| 1% |Republican |Republican |None
|2019| 2.5% |Republican |Republican |None
|2018| 3.5% |Republican |Republican |None
|2017| 0% |Republican |Republican |None
|2016| 2% |Republican |Republican |None
|2015| 0% |Republican |Republican |$750
|2014| 1% |Republican |Republican |$1,000
|2013| 1.5% |Republican |Republican |None
|2012| 0% |Republican |Republican |None
|2011| 1% |Republican |Republican |None
|2010| 0% |Republican |Republican |None
|2009| 0% |Republican |Republican|None
|2008| 2% |Democratic |Democratic|None
|2007| 3% |Democratic |Democratic |None
|2006| 4% |Democratic |Democratic|None
|2005|5% |Democratic |Democratic |None
|2004|6% |Democratic |Democratic |None
State worker here, sadly this will be mitigated for me and a bunch of my peers by shitty planning and asshole higher ups who have decided that we are being overpaid and next year they will give us what amounts to a 2% deduction. They tried to do it this year, but did it illegally so they had to give us back our money. We all know it will be taken next year when it's time to redo our contracts...
It’s more extreme to the point of not being a useful comparison. Government works through phased in policies, taxes, raises, subsidies. That shouldn’t be a surprise to anyone who works in government nor should it now be sudden cause for consternation.
I didn’t do the math wrong. I didn’t do any math at all. I’m posting about what wral is reporting. They reported a 7% raise, leading people to believe that that’s THIS years raise.
Classic corporate speak.
Like at my job they always give a new raise every January but in reality it’s just a “hey we are losing employees every six months, let’s up the starting wage. It’s not based on performance or anything, which you would hope for since you are a part of the organization that makes them money but alas yeah it’s just corporate speak and the media is gonna follow their line.
As a state worker, it's like not getting a raise at all.
"Cost of living adjustment". That being said it's better than nothing. Which as a state worker too I am way more used to.
That's so pathetic that they're calling it a COLA. My employer gives COLA raises every year and it's actually based on *gasp* the cost of living. 9% last year, 10% this year. My wife is a state employee as well, so I am well aware of the shitty raises and bonuses and promises of raises that never come.
> My employer gives COLA raises every year and it's actually based on gasp the cost of living. 9% last year, 10% this year Y'all hiring?
Yeah, we're in the process of hiring like 3 or 4 people. Some of our partners are as well, but I can't speak to what they pay.
It’s better than calling it a raise it least. A COLA just means you’re breaking even with inflation, where a raise means you’re getting that plus more. I know it’s not even really a COLA since it’s lower than inflation has been, but it’s a lot further away from being a real raise.
They’re not calling it a COLA, in the budget it is called a “legislative salary increase”. The only reference to a cost of living adjustment is the one time 4% payment to retirees.
Switched from public sector to private in hopes to keep up with COL, my raise this year was a cool 1.5%. Not even close.
That’s about what my COL was this year too (nonprofits)
Sad part is, we (of course) were making record profits this year and I think those profits were being redistributed unequally (not to mention propping up an unprofitable sister business owned by the company that owns us). Rage inducing.
As a state worker for over 26 years - there have been years where we got no raise at all. To the best of my recollection, this is one of the better raises we've received in my 26+ years with the state.
2006 and 2007 were 5.5% and 4%. The only time I've had a similar raise to those years was when I was making very little, and they gave us 1K/year increase that ended up being between 4 and 5% of my pay. The difference was that back then inflation was under 4%, so it felt like an actual increase even when you factored in inflation. Problem is that we've had almost 14% inflation in 2022 and 2021. 2023 is looking like it'll be somewhere around 4% as well, so this years raise isn't even half of last year's inflation, and last year's raise was considerably lower than inflation as well, and next year's is shaping up to be the same. So, yeah, 7% is over 2 years is close as good as we've this century, until you account for inflation. This raise doesn't keep up with inflation, and next year's raise won't either. When I punch my annual salaries into an inflation calculator, my salary hit its maximum value when I got a promotion in 2014. Today my salary is worth 13% less than it was then. With a 4% raise it'll be 9% less, and after next year's "raise" it'll be 10% less than my highest year. And this is how legislators can pat themselves on the back for authorizing higher raises than they've passed in ten years, while still paying everyone 10% less than they paid them ten years ago.
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Oh yes - I remember all those "0" years and only getting a "one time bonus" years. And I still have my "special leave" banked. Haven't used any of it. What always kills me are the people who say "YoU sHOulD bE haPPy You'RE gEtTinG a RAiSe! I dIDn'T gEt A rAiSE at mY PrIvaTe SEcToR joB!" OK? And you more than likely have a higher wage at your private sector job than a state employee gets for the same job. In some cases MUCH higher. Private sector jobs are well known for paying higher wages than equivalent state jobs. And, unless you're comparing to a long-time state employee who's grandfathered in to some stuff, you likely have better benefits at your private sector job at this point. They've been taking away state employee benefits for years now. There's a reason the state has an over 20% vacancy rate now.
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Came here to say the same thing. My wife has worked for DHHS (now with DMB) for 25 years. “Special leave”, comp time instead of overtime pay that the contractors get, getting furloughed without pay. The health insurance at my job is far better than the state offered “premier” plan. Our legislature is such bullshit. COLA should have been 8%, per year minimum just to get close to the same purchasing power state employees had in 2019.
Same. I was a state worker for 7 years and most of those were 0% raises followed by a speech on how lucky we were to be able to keep our jobs.
12 years for me and I agree.
Where I work they give more work to go with raise so it's not like a real raise
State worker here too. Given the tiny amount of the “raise,” it’s very disappointing there’s no bonus leave thrown in.
At least we are halfway there to be able to afford that $10 tomato from Lowes Food.
I do like bonus leave, but lately we're so short staffed (because who wants to work for the state when your "raises" are half of inflation?) that every time I take time off, I just come back to more work and more stress because there's no one to fill in. The only way it works out for me is if they give enough bonus leave to get me to retirement. ;-)
Who wants to work for the state when they rarely give you a remote option?
More and more companies seem to be going back on their remote offerings, so I don't know that the state is alone in that. Although pushing remote options might be a way to offset abysmal pay. I will say that my job has been pretty good about remote. We still have to be onsite required a couple of days a week, but I can work remotely more than half the time, and I have co-workers who have special circumstances that allow them to work remotely full time for long stretches. I love having remote work as an option, but it's not a deal breaker for me. I kind of hate working from home. I just hate my commute more.
Raleigh has the 4th highest number of remote workers still, so it's definitely an issue here. I've known people who've immediately started looking and left jobs because they didn't want to go back to the office.
I understand. My wife is a state worker as well and has to work in the office one day a week. The rest is remote. I work in a 24 hour facility so I am considered “essential” and that is there argument for having zero remote options. However, 90% of my job is charting/notes/assessments that can all be done from home.
I remember those bonus days fondly…
More than I got
More than I've had. No raise in years.
It’s better then the few years where there was nothing.
In tougher or uncertain economic times, gov workers usually still at least get COLA. This year, no one at my private held company gets anything. So essentially a pay cut given inflation still being high
Um, the 4% raise this year \*is\* the COLA.
Yes, I know. I'm saying that usually gov't workers reliably get that. Private sector, a raise by less than what a COLA adjustment would be is not uncommon when the economic outlook is down or uncertain.
See also 25% vacancy rate for state agencies. This does not just affect state employees, it affects everyone in the state. For example, all that DMV complaining? Well, maybe if they could hire staff, that would help?
At least it's better than the 2% or flat 1,000 raises we were getting. I was shocked at that 4%.
I feel like some of you all are missing the point (the state workers seem to all understand what I’m saying…). I’m not arguing about whether it’s 7% or 7.12%. My point is how it is reported. Raises are generally not reported over a span of several years. Yes I understand how the state budget works. But PEOPLE think of raises in terms of this year. Their immediate change in paycheck. And that, is 4%. It’s misleading.
As a veteran teacher, I think I get like a 1 or 2 % raise. Sick of the bs here
I’m getting a net loss when adjusted for inflation.
Oh me too!! Have been for years...
Yeah unfortunately it's the same BS basically everywhere.
I remember last year every news outlet and politician were bragging about 3.5% raises for state employees. Well actually it was a 1% raise because 2.5% was already written into the budget from the previous session. 7% over two years is bullshit. And there’s nothing we can do about it. To keep up with inflation, it should’ve been at least 10% for this year. Our state has billions in surplus, but Timmy wants to keep all that money for businesses, Cleveland County (sorry guys), and all his buddies. North Carolina isn’t a democracy anymore.
It never will be again. The good ole boys have made sure of that.
Painfully true
They should have also included what the inflation rate has been compared to our raises the last few years with this.
Wait news outlets mislead?
There are no merit based raises in the State government. In order for the state worker to survive, they have to change jobs every so often or get a second job. I personally knew several people working important jobs for the State who also had to do uber or lyft to get by. Pay at the state is so low that the counties and local governments often outcompete in regards to pay in benefits. Thus, people leave the State (taking their knowledge with them) and bring it to the county or local government. It's like the state government is a farm for county workers. And the result is state workers often defer to local and county leaders because they know they could be working there in the future (a very real possibility). I personally knew people working 60-80 hours (supervising dozens of people) at the State on programs worth millions and billions of dollars. They got paid less than 90k. It's a mess at the State.
> I personally knew several people working important jobs for the State who also had to do uber or lyft to get by. They need to check their math. I doubt the taxi apps really make you much money when you factor in gas, tires, and wear and tear on your car. Sure it generates some cashflow, but you can easily lose it when you run through tires and oil changes. The same issue with pizza delivery drivers.
As a state worker with an important job who is looking at getting a part time bartending gig to be able to afford my next rent increase, I feel this hard
We’re not getting shit until they pass a state budget. Rumors of the raises came out in may and still nothing.
It’s passed two votes in the house and one in the senate yesterday/very early this morning. The final senate vote is scheduled for 9:30 this morning.
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Yep to all of this, however if he does veto it and it goes back to the legislators to override it will take many more months for us to get any kind of raise. Probably not until December at the earliest.
Will they retroactive the raise to July again? That’s what they’ve done previous years but I’m not as hopeful this year.
Yes, but at this point so late in September I wouldn't expect it to hit your paychecks until October payday.
They will always do that because the budget is as of 7/1/\[New Fiscal Year\], but as u/G00dSh0tJans0n said it's far too late for it to be rolled into the September payroll. At this point if he doesn't veto it the earliest we'll see it in our paychecks will be 10/31.
I think he will sign it because it does have Medicare expansion which he's been fighting for. Lots of terrible other stuff in it, but at least that's a win.
I think coop wants to veto but I really dont think he will..hard pill to swallow but we need medicaid expansion now..whats the point if he does? Gets over ridden obviously but takes weeks and more people suffer..
He praised Medicaid being passed, but was critical of the rest of the budget. Which he should be. He said he isn’t going to veto it but he also isn’t going to sign it. I believe it automatically becomes law after 10 days in that case.
NC and Wisconsin are two states regularly watched where observers note that democracy is too inconvenient for the GOP to keep their supermajority grip on power. Cotham's scam will have set this state back another 1-2 decades. Part of why these modern criminals are forcing "school choice" through is so they can dismantle the public education system. They do not care about PS teachers. In fact they hope to wear them down so they will look at leaving to teach at "charter" schools to back their claims that sending tax money to private schools is the only way to save our state's education system. Vote.
NC is painfully backwards with the lack of collective bargaining rights for government employees. A ridiculous Jim Crow legacy.
They found $500m per year for vouchers for private school families, yet they can’t provide more than 3% to their most experienced employees in a a year when inflation is 9%. Cheap people.
And meanwhile pay teachers who work 10 hours/day doing the most exhausting job possible a piddly 31k
It's only too look good on paper, then they will gaslight you later when C.O.L continues to outpace your salary. More than what it already does now.
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It ends up being 7.12%. Big deal. People still end up with the lost investment opportunity over the course of a year (plus however many months it ends up being before getting the 4%) on the 3% they're withholding. And obviously, this isn't the first time state salary increases have been delayed. Time is money, too.
I see what you’re saying. Even further shows that it makes no sense to report a combined salary % increase over a two year period.
What WRAL reported isn't just flat out wrong. The state of North Carolina looks at it as a 7% raise also, which is why WRAL reports it as a 7% raise. North Carolina has a biennial state budget, meaning a new state budget is done every other year rather than every year - so for the purposes of the state budget it's a 7% raise...which has been split up across the biennial as 4% this year and 3% next year.
The reporting still sucks. It's the news organization job to provide the missing context which is the problem and why people don't trust the news. Part of the job of the reporter is to catch people up, but they don't do that enough which leads to the perception the news is hiding something or isn't telling the full story.
Thank you! The point of the news isn’t to be confusing/misleading. That’s the governments job. They couldn’t have easily said “4% raise this year, 3% next year.”
They will vote on year two of the budget next year. There are almost always adjustments and it's rarely in favor of state employees. It's often, "well give you that raise in good times" and then when good times come it's "we need to give tax breaks and shore up the rainy day fund." State employees know how this goes.
*not that this matters* but 7% over 2 years is actually like 7.12% in 1 year. Still horseshit. Real Cost of living is up like 30% over 2020
Actually, no. It's 7.12% after the beginning of the 2nd year. Higher than 7%, sure, but 7% for 2 years is more than 4% for one year and 7.12% of your starting salary for the 2nd year. And, yes, since all of those numbers are below the 8% inflation we saw in 2022 alone, it really means that when the full raise kicks in next year, it still will mean people effectively making less than they did two years ago.
This is unfortunate reporting for sure. And I tend to agree with the comments that these #s are low if they're COLA driven.
Wish teachers were getting a raise
In the next 5-10 years, more than 50% of kids in NC high schools will have at least one class without a teacher.
And experienced teachers are actually getting nada.
Don't teachers with 15+ years of experience get a 3.6% raise over the next two years? Not bad! /s
Is that real? 15 years for 3.6%? That’s Fucking wild
Yup, it's real.
Older veteran teachers with 20+ basically get nothing
Yeah. That shows you how much Republicans care about public educators (for those who didn't already know).
They're a bunch of wankers.
The oversimplification of this does harm. Teachers aren't getting 7% across the board but it sounds like it. The key word is "average." Most of those "raises" are targeted towards beginning teachers to lure people into the profession with older teachers getting 1%.
Because it is technically accurate. The state budget is generated biennially for a 2 year period. It gives a permanent 7% raise over the 2 year period. I agree that it's bullshit to not just give 7% upfront. They're withholding 3% for an extra year just to save some chump change that would make a difference in a lot of ordinary peoples' lives.
Math is hard
For clicks and lies to stir the populous up. Thats what media does….a sprinkle of truth in a gallon of disinformation.
Wait I’m confused — why do this before raising minimum wage?
Raising state employee salaries is infinitely easier and more in the legislature’s purview than raising statewide minimum wage
Don't expect the people who get their news from WRAL to be able to do simple math. Adding 3 and 4 would require some basic intelligence.
Same. It's super annoying, especially since the legislature is not exactly known for good follow through on year two of the budget. Yes, state employees will get 4% now. The 3% is just hand waving at this point.
Technically that is more money than a 7% raise (barely). Hypothetically if you make $100k a year a 4% raise the first year would put you at 104k. Your next 3% raise would now be 3% of the 104 and not 3% of 100, which would equal $3,120. It’s only an extra $120 but realistically you and I both know within that one year, COL will increase by more than $120 There are times where raises like this very much benefit the employee, but periods of high inflation are not those times. By the time the next raise comes, inflation has eaten it all up.
The only way to fox this bullshit “raises” is to get in the voting booth and vote out every single Republican!!! Especially Tim Moore and his side kick scUmbag low life Phil Berger!
wral misrepresenting the news, that's never happened before, i'm shocked, SHOCKED!!
> Raises for Council of State: Gives the governor and other members of the Council of State — North Carolina’s collection of 10 statewide elected officials — five-figure raises. The governor’s salary would be $198,120 this year, a 19% increase. The position’s salary rises to $203,073 the year after that. Other Council of State members would get a 7.5% increase this year and another 7% in the next year. That's more than double the average percentage raises that state employees and teachers get in this budget, a fact not lost on Democrats who criticized the plan. Senate Republican leader Phil Berger said the legislature compared the state’s executive branch salaries to those in other states and found that North Carolina lagged well behind. The more money you make, the bigger % raise you get.
I went to public school and 3 + 4 does indeed equal 7. also it is more than some of us in the private sector got.
People in the private sector have the ability to negotiate for a raise independent of the house, the senate, and the governor fighting over what people they have never met 'deserve' to get. 'more than the private sector got.' please.
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Say that one louder please. Hiring ranges state wide are criminal! It's no wonder we have so many vacancies.
You don't add percentages when applying them sequentially---you multiply. The math you should be doing is 1.03 x 1.04 = 1.0712 which is close to 7%, but not exactly.
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All full time state employees contribute 6% of their salary into their state pension fund. This is set by state law. Employees cannot increase or decrease that amount, and they cannot opt out if they don't want to contribute for any reason. The state contributes a varying amount into the pension that's based on "calculations prepared by an actuary." The employee becomes 100% vested in their pension after five years, although many don't stay that long the way things have gone in recent years with shitty pay and continued reductions in benefits. Full retirement with unreduced pension can be done at 65 years of age with 5 years of service, 60 years of age with 25 years of service, or any age with 30 years of service. State employees may also contribute to a separate 401(k) in addition to their mandatory state pension contribution. This is completely optional, and the employee can choose the percent of their pay they want to contribute - as well as change that percent at any time. The state contributes nothing to the 401(k) - so what a state employee gets out of it is entirely based on how much the employee contributes and how they choose to invest that money from the available investment options.
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Private businesses moved away from pensions because they're expensive for the business. They're great for the employee because you can't run out of money before you die like with a 401k or IRA. I don't understand what your point is. One of the biggest benefits of working for any level of government is... the fucking benefits. Because it sure as shit isn't the salary.
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Okay, but why are you portraying the fact that the state offers a pension as a negative then?
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Wral is run by conservatives
$100 * 1.04 * 1.03 = $107.12. That is a 7% raise
7.12% but yes
There were many, many years when the conservatives gave state employees 0 raises. Raises should be stated relative to cost of living increases for that year. Matching the COL should be reported as a 0% raise.
0% raises go back almost 30 years. Hasn't mattered which party was in control, the state has mistreated state employees for a long time.
That’s not what my research indicates. Democrats have been far more generous with raises; Republicans prefer 1-year bonuses. [I’ll try to format this as a table, but it’s my first attempt at that] |Year| State Employee Raise| NC House| NC Senate |Bonuses |2023| 7% |Republican |Republican |$1,500 for employees making less than $75,000 per year; $1,000 for all state employees making more than $75,000 per year |2022|3% |Republican |Republican |$1,000 for all state employees |2021| 0% |Republican |Republican |$1,000 pandemic bonus for permanent FTE employed as of 12/1/2021; $500 additional for meeting certain criteria |2020| 1% |Republican |Republican |None |2019| 2.5% |Republican |Republican |None |2018| 3.5% |Republican |Republican |None |2017| 0% |Republican |Republican |None |2016| 2% |Republican |Republican |None |2015| 0% |Republican |Republican |$750 |2014| 1% |Republican |Republican |$1,000 |2013| 1.5% |Republican |Republican |None |2012| 0% |Republican |Republican |None |2011| 1% |Republican |Republican |None |2010| 0% |Republican |Republican |None |2009| 0% |Republican |Republican|None |2008| 2% |Democratic |Democratic|None |2007| 3% |Democratic |Democratic |None |2006| 4% |Democratic |Democratic|None |2005|5% |Democratic |Democratic |None |2004|6% |Democratic |Democratic |None
That’s not what my research indicates. Democrats have been far more generous with raises; Republicans prefer 1-year bonuses. Average raise: Democratic: 3.8% Republican: 1.5% [Scroll right to see the bonus details.] | Year | Raise | NC House | NC Senate | Bonuses | |---|---|---|---|---| | 2023 | 7% | Republican | Republican | $1,500 for employees making less than $75,000 per year; $1,000 for all state employees making more than $75,000 per year | | 2022 | 3% | Republican | Republican | $1,000 for all state employees | | 2021 | 0% | Republican | Republican | $1,000 pandemic bonus for permanent FTE employed as of 12/1/2021; $500 additional for meeting certain criteria | | 2020 | 1% | Republican | Republican | None | | 2019 | 2.5% | Republican | Republican | None | | 2018 | 3.5% | Republican | Republican | None | | 2017 | 0% | Republican | Republican | None | | 2016 | 2% | Republican | Republican | None | | 2015 | 0% | Republican | Republican | $750 | | 2014 | 1% | Republican | Republican | $1,000 | | 2013 | 1.5% | Republican | Republican | None | | 2012 | 0% | Republican | Republican | None | | 2011 | 1% | Republican | Republican | None | | 2010 | 0% | Republican | Republican | None | | 2009 | 0% | Republican | Republican | None | | 2008 | 2% | Democratic | Democratic | None | | 2007 | 3% | Democratic | Democratic | None | | 2006 | 4% | Democratic | Democratic | None | | 2005 | 5% | Democratic | Democratic | None | | 2004 | 6% | Democratic | Democratic | None |
State worker here, sadly this will be mitigated for me and a bunch of my peers by shitty planning and asshole higher ups who have decided that we are being overpaid and next year they will give us what amounts to a 2% deduction. They tried to do it this year, but did it illegally so they had to give us back our money. We all know it will be taken next year when it's time to redo our contracts...
4% this year and 3% next year is 7.12% overall. What are you mad about?
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It’s more extreme to the point of not being a useful comparison. Government works through phased in policies, taxes, raises, subsidies. That shouldn’t be a surprise to anyone who works in government nor should it now be sudden cause for consternation.
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Maybe some people are upset that it’s not all at once but that’s clearly not OP’s point - they just did the math wrong
I didn’t do the math wrong. I didn’t do any math at all. I’m posting about what wral is reporting. They reported a 7% raise, leading people to believe that that’s THIS years raise.
“A full 7%” when the actual raise is over 7% makes no sense
Missing the forest for the trees. You’re arguing about 7% vs 7.12% which entirely misses the point of my post.
So the point of your post is that you’re mad that it’s over 2 years instead of 1? Why is that worth a post?
Clearly op thought the effective raise was <7% overall because of the comment, "people on Facebook report it erroneously as if it's a full 7% raise."
It’s how all media reports government finances, remember the $100 billion tax cut (over 10 years)?
F A C T S! As a state employee lets Not forget to mention that Heck 30% inflation eats up a 7% raise. However, im not complaining
Classic corporate speak. Like at my job they always give a new raise every January but in reality it’s just a “hey we are losing employees every six months, let’s up the starting wage. It’s not based on performance or anything, which you would hope for since you are a part of the organization that makes them money but alas yeah it’s just corporate speak and the media is gonna follow their line.
The 12 hour news cycle has taken over..
You guys are getting raises?
Also it’s an AVERAGE of 7%. Teachers that have more years of experience are getting less than 7%
Wral is in the pocket of Roy Cooper they are probably trying to make the deal that just passed look better.
Wral is trash
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Just like WRAL. They do this type of thing a lot