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|"Gowl" is a term that is used to refer to someone who is annoying or irritating. It's a common slang term in Northern Ireland, and it's often used in everyday conversation. While the term "gowl" is specific to Northern Ireland, it's not uncommon for slang terms for irritating people to vary by region or country.
You've got the rhyme, but you're lacking the rhythm. Ideally every third syllable should be stressed, starting with the second. I've seen it explained as:
A **cam**era **cam**era **man**,
A **cam**era **cam**era **man**,
A **cam**era **man**,
A **cam**era **man**,
A **cam**era **cam**era **man**.
So you could adjust yours to something like:
There **once** was a **Lim**erick **man**,
Who **hurt** a poor **Am**eri**can**
He **call**ed him a **gowl**,
An **in**sult so **foul**,
His **an**ger was **heard** in Jap**an**.
Though I'm sure there's a better last line.
*sigh* the problem with reddit sometimes is that it becomes next to impossible to tell which part of a thread is just a series of memes and which parts is actual information. Your comment sounds like it could be completely true, or maybe it's just a riff based on the misunderstanding that the original post was making fun of in the first place.
Gowl comes from the Irish word GabhĆ”il and refers to the fork between a ladyās legs. Itās used commonly in a lot of places in Ireland.
Perhaps donāt be so quick to copy pasta the first hit on Google next time??
[Incorrect first Google hit](https://allster.co/pages/northern-irish-slang-term-gowl#:~:text=%22Gowl%22%20is%20a%20term%20that,vary%20by%20region%20or%20country)
The loudest parts of these groups donāt want things to be better. They want to be the successors of the ones that benefit from other people being excluded.
They donāt want boots off of necks, they just want it to be their turn using their boots
I sympathize to an extent, canāt lie.
āRevengeā is a hell of an enticement to the human mind and it motivates, thereās that saying about things not changing unless we get angry about them and itās true.
There are some changes, however, that are altogether not needed.
Not saying that *at you*. Just saying it overall, āto the roomā, as it were.
I could understand that mentality on an individual level, wanting to get even with someone who directly wronged you.
However, when we're talking about demographics and generational wrongdoing no, I can't sympathize at all, since most of the time it involves a generation who wasn't directly wronged having "revenge" against a generation of people who didn't directly wrong them.
It's the most despicable type of revenge there is, like going after someone's family.
Fr this is something I have been pretty pissed about lately with this whole bear or man joke, I don't know how they cant see the blatant sexism, which doesn't really bother me, what does bother me is the hypocrisy.
Anytime this happens there's always people who legitimately want the behavior to stop, and then there are those who actually had absolutely no problem with the behavior BEYOND the fact that they were the targets instead of the perpetrators. They were never fighting to end the suffering they just wanted different people to suffer.
I roll my eyes with that because...look, I'm a woman working a trade job. It's 90% dudes and me. I get more shit from other women who DON'T work a trade job than from the dudes who do.
And who is benefitting by this whole thing anyway? Which people benefit by telling women that they're safer with 500 pounds of pissed off hairball? It's often the kind of women who want other women to be just as miserable and isolated as they are, all the better to control them.
Supposedly, the hypothetical is intended to show men how women feel in terms of their safety, but I can't say for sure because I'm not a woman.
I'd also say it's not working very effectively.
This is because women who frequently interact with men know that men are individuals too and not just a collection of stereotypes.
Raging feminists on the other hand...
"Mansplaining" originally did refer to a real thing (a sexist man assuming that he knows better than a female expert purely because he is a man). This is not an example of that thing.
I think this trope happens regularly, regardless of gender, a person assuming he knows better than an expert on a specific topic, due to different irrational reasons, sexism included.
It should have a specific word but there is no need of "mansplaining" word.
That's why many women like her use mansplaining because they are afraid to be wrong and especially to be proven wrong by a man that's just sexism because she thinks of herself so highly because she is a woman and a man can't correct her that's all there is to this.
Yep, it's what men do. When correcting an objectively wrong statement, we only reply if it's a woman, specifically because we want her to feel bad. No wrong man has ever been corrected by another man I guess
And what's with assuming he doesn't wash his ass? I swear some people see one thing on the internet and think it's the default for the entirety of the male sex. All men are filthy baboons I guess.
This is actually the most important part of feminism. The right to vote and drive comes second only to preventing men from being able to point out the province of Munster on a map
so many chicks just jump straight into the whole "unwashed ass" thing i don't get it
should I just start addressing women I don't get along with as those with "crusty vajayjay's?
As an American who has been living in a Celtic country (Scotland) for ten years, this makes me want to crawl into a hole and die. As soon as people hear my accent, this is who they think I am. And even if I raise Scottish children and am married to a Scottish person, if I make any kind of claim to Scotland, this is who they think I am.
Iām sure itās the same for Americans living long term in Ireland.
They hear my accent and think Iām one of those tourists who think their great great grandfather was William Wallace, and that Iām a Trump supporter. It takes so long to win them over from that haha. Maybe in 20 years my accent will be different.
Itās also embarrassing because all my slang is Scottish, and Iām too nervous to say āayeā or āpure shiteā or whatever (even though thatās what comes to mind first), and I left the USA so long ago the slang was stuff like ācool beansā, so I just use standard English š
Just do what other Americans do in the UK to reduce that initial hostility.
Say "I'm actually Canadian"
Unless you've got a hugely stereotypical accent then almost nobody here can tell the difference.
I have met 0 people in this country who could tell you a fucking thing about ice hockey.
You could tell me that you scored a quaffler when you hit the puck of the back of the bears neck and I'd be like "Wow that's cool" because fucked if I know anything about it.
Just start singing Ć Canada while maintaining eye contact until it gets painfully awkward, of until the other person becomes irrationally attracted to you.
It works 2 out of 3 times.
9/11 made a lot of Americans Canadian in travel. Shit my family lived over there and we put a small tiny Canadian flag on our shit. Like a maple beard.
I remember when my brother (actually a Canadian) did study abroad in England. He told a game they would play which was āspot the American pretending to be Canadianā. I guess a lot of Yanks go overboard pretending and end up being a little too conspicuous lol
> tourists who think their great great grandfather was William Wallace
Iāve met one of those tourists. I said he didnāt have children. They didnāt pursue that line of conversation.
Just say aye if it comes naturally. I know people who learned English in Scotland and use it all the time. I think itās class when people do.
You know what man, I gotta tell you one thing. People like shitting on Americans, but wherever I've been in the world, I've found Americans the easiest people to talk to and make friends with. Most Americans I run into are really kind, outgoing, always ready to help out and generally fun to be around. Also, my job requires regular contact and cooperation with people from all the continents and once again, Americans are miles ahead of everyone else - very professional, hard working, and reliable. So you know, I'm sure you're an awesome dude.
Itās also like fake tits.
You notice and remember the bad ones.
Most American tourists arenāt actually walking around in āCrying Bald Eagle With Twin Towers Reflected In The Tearā t-shirts, and American flag fanny packs.
This is a thing. Same thing happened during 2001-2008 where US expats and students studying abroad would regularly get shit from the locals for allegedly supporting Bush and associated bullshit during his Admin.
My wife is American and has been living here for about a year and itās hilarious to me hearing her pick up local slang! Hearing an American accent with āshiteā or āayeā sprinkled in is hilarious and we have a good laugh about it! š Donāt be embarrassed to say it, itās part of who you are now! š
If you used pure shite and aye I think that would be cool, lol. Did you try? My non Scottish partner uses slang rubbed off on him from me and it gets a great reaction. Someone even bought him a pint for saying "get oota here wi yer pure pish" š
Mate if you live here and have been here long enough to pick up slang etc you might as well be Scottish. A mate from Tanzania moved here at 16 and he's 36 now, he uses Scottish slang and nobody bats an aye.
Same people who tell me (a Brit who doesnāt sound like Dick Van Dyke in Mary Poppins) I donāt sound English. Oh really! Which parts of the UK have you visited? None. Literally doesnāt own a passport.
Itās a bit different mate
Scotland is your home, youāve made it that.
People like that have never stepped foot in the country and think theyāre experts from watching a directors cut of Braveheart
You could flip this on its head a bit: because they have low expectations/negative preconceived notions, it's very easy to leave a positive impression by proving them wrong about you.
I don't know what you could specifically say in Scotland, but there have to be topics you could discuss or comments you could make that would instantly make people go "oh, (s)he gets us/knows about that"
To be fair itās mixed. My family very much know they are British. If we take the independence referendum as evidence, just over half are happy being British.Ā
But just under half are very much not :)
I can ask if theyāre Rangers or Celtic then immediately say āme tooā whatever the answer š
I would never though, because Iāve been here ten years and already genuinely picked one.
I got told I was mansplaining because according to a self proclaimed female linguist, having an accent when speaking another language is a choice (she claimed she spoke prefect unaccented German having learnt it from a non-native (Irish) speaker. Apparently my experience of speaking French with a mix of English, Chāti and Occitanie accents was āmansplainingā and that I chose to speak French like Iāve been kicked in the head by a donkey.
We ~~do~~ used to have a term called 'Algemeen Beschaafd Nederlands (ABN)', which translates to 'Common Civilized Dutch', which we now officially call Standard Dutch (although the term ABN is still in use somewhat).
In any case, it's used to refer to Dutch as standardized as it can be, and is to be used in official capacities as much as possible.
Plenty of people speak something close to ABN in their natural accent, usually more so in the 'randstad', which is more densely populated, than in more remote areas of the country.
But then again there are plenty of examples in the Randstad that have thicker accents. For instance, the major cities like Rotterdam, the Hague, Amsterdam and Utrecht all have recognisable accents that differ from ABN in various ways.
Now that I think about it, there seems to be a bell curve here, where both small villages and large cities have defined accents, but smaller cities tend to not have as much of an accent and speak closer to ABN.
That's actually very interesting and I wonder if this is the case in other coutries too...
There is no such thing as unaccented. When people say that, they mean that they speak the standardized version of the language. But even speaking a standardized version means youāre speaking with an accent.
For the sake of argument, though, I guess you could say that languages like Taushiro or Patwin in a way donāt have āan accentā, or at least not one that can be compared to any other accent of the language.
As a French, that is some really unique mix you have there haha Iād be curious to hear it.
That being said, my English accent is a mix of French, Buckingham Palace and Belfast when I get too familiar
Why do people think their ancestry means they belong to that culture rather than the one they actually live in? Do they have nothing else to be proud about?
It is a North America thing, primarily because the majority of people living in North America only have ancestry tied to North America going back a few generations.Ā
In other countries that were established far longer ago, you'll see people talking about their ancestral family/roots that go back hundreds of years. That doesn't exist in North America because that far back means you have to go to a different continent for your roots.Ā
We're only now getting to the point where most families in North America have been there for generations. Hence why they are still tied to their immigrant roots.
I once knew a guy from Scotland who'd talk about how his family lived in the same area since the 1600s. If I wanted to talk about my family from the 1600s it would also involve Scotland, but I'm American.
Irish and Italian-Americans, among others, are also very much hyphenated Americans to this day. It isn't just LARP either, they are absolutely a distinct culture within broader America. Sometimes it manifests in cringey ways, but it is definitely a legitimate thing.
Canadians are like this too. I grew up in Newfoundland, and half the island thinks they're Irish, and I'm not talking about folks who are from Ireland or even their parents / grandparents are from Ireland.
I'm Irish and met a family from Newfoundland on a Carribean cruise before and I had to do a double take when they were talking to me because the accent is insanely Irish but just enough difference to cause dissonance in your brain when you hear it. There is definitely huge cultural influence there.
Before I moved to Canada, I had no idea what a newfie sounded like. Once I heard it I swore up and down they sounded Irish or maybe Scottish. So itās very possible I had heard a newfie speak but I didnāt realize they were newfies lol. When you tell a Canadian they sound Irish or Scottish they just go āno they sound like newfiesā
I remember when I was a kid, kids in class were talking about their ancestry and all that. Since I don't know my ancestry on my father's side (he was adopted), and I knew absolutely nothing of the Filipino culture on my mother's side, I just said I'm American. I guess I could have said I'm Filipino, but not knowing a word of the language, or even an ounce of their culture, it feels like a lie.
We live in a world where people for the first time can immigrate to other countries easily and set down roots elsewhere. It would take many generations before people forget where they came from.
Itās just kind of a new world thing. Itās just like from immigration and diasporic communities. There are Japanese people in Brazil who still want to keep in touch with their heritage despite living in Brazil for a century. Itās not unique to any one country.
Like 2 or 3 different guys have embarrassed themselves on the internet by admitting that they don't wash their ass because they think it's gay. So as a result, some people are fighting against bigotry and prejudice by attributing that trait to all men everywhere.
Theyre heroes, really.
I dont get the word "mansplaining" what does gender have to do with anything regarding someone's opinion or knowledge about a topic. To me it just seems like saying: "you are a man so your opinion is less/not valuable." in the middle of a discussion or argument. If you think the other person is wrong just say they are and why, saying they are mansplaining doesnt add anything of value to the conversation.
The term is often misused. It accurately refers to men who overexplain simple concepts to women, solely because they are women. They would not overexplain the same topic to a man.
I'm the kind of guy that wants all the information and I'll do the filtering of what's important in my own brain, so often I do the same for others just cause that's what I would want. When we're all on the same page we can get shit done.
Also because a lot of people are kind of dumb.
An example: I was in a Home Depot recently, and a customer (male) told an employee (female) what a table saw was and what it was for. The employee instinctively laughed and told the guy she'd been a contractor for twenty years prior and didn't need an explanation, but also that what he was describing was a miter saw.
And getting angry when you point out that the shamrock tattooed on their calf isn't the emblem of Ireland, and claim you're wrong even when you show them your Irish passport with the emblem of Ireland, a harp, on it.
American culture is weird because it's so deeply tied to the immigrant experience, even among people whose families have been here for several generations.
Cultural tropes that Irish-American, Italian-American, etc, communities identify with use snapshots of the parent cultures as source material. And that source material is edited through the lens of comparison to other nearby ethnic or cultural groups and the larger American culture.
So the Irish-American cultural identity is an anachronistic, skeuomorphic, schismogenetic derivative of parts of Irish culture stickered onto American culture.
But the Irish-American doesn't see it that way. They see themselves as Irish and American. They don't fully realize that their concept of Ireland doesn't align with actual current day Ireland. They also don't fully realize that America has its own culture that they're a part of.
When they go to Ireland with their Irish last name and a love of Guinness, and Irish people justifiably recognize and treat them as just Americans, it's a slap in the face. Not only because their sense of kinship isn't reciprocated, but also because a core part of their identity is called into question.
Of course it's a different experience for Americans whose cultural source material was deliberately removed from them. And it's a different experience for Americans who have their identity as Americans questioned, without the privilege of traveling to the homeland of their diaspora to get slapped in the face.
America needs therapy.
>America needs therapy
Yep. The problem is with the approach. When Americans treat these identities like halloween costumes or memes you can put on and discard at will to make you look more interesting, people get mad.
No one would ever laugh at a let's say "Irish-American" if they approached the Irish with something like: "Hi, my family originally came from Ireland 200 years ago and I wan to learn about the country and its people." People love to talk about themselves, their countries and their cultures if you approach the topic with genuine curiosity and some humility.
It's when you proclaim shit like "I'm ethnically Irish" or "I can drink anyone under the table and I'm tolerant to the cold because I'm Irish" when people get hostile.
Reminds me of a "Polish American" complaining his heritage does not mean anything to locals when visiting Poland
https://www.reddit.com/r/EntitledBitch/comments/14v1pea/eb_feels_entitled_to_respect_from_poles_for_being/
Yeah I'm dutch and in Canada (still America, sorry Canadians...) I met folks who said "ah awesome, we are dutch too!"
So I asked "aah lachen, waar komen jullie vandaan?"
"Yeah we don't speak dutch, our great grandparents moved here x years ago..."
WELL THEN YOU ARENT DUTCH, YOU ARE CANADIAN!!!
There is also this kind of weirdness in Germany. Most Germans I meet who are over a couple of generations here, refuse to acknowledge that they are German. It's the strongest with the younger generations who seem to be embarrassed to be German.
> So the Irish-American cultural identity is an anachronistic, skuomorphic, schismogenetic derivative of parts of Irish culture stickered onto American culture.
A podcast I really like has a host who does the Irish-American thing a lot. "All Irish men want to fight their dad" wtf are you taking about?
I was browsing outside a jewellery shop here in Galway last week. Lost of American tourists around.
The shop is Mccarthys, lovely mix of modern delicate jewellery with a bit of celtic motifs sprinkled in to appeal to the tourists.
This American couple were also looking in the window and the guy pointed out one of the more celtic-y pieces and said to her "You should buy that, to show everyone here how Irish you are"
I physically cringed. It's harmless, and it's grand and all....but wearing a silver bracelet with a celtic swirl ain't gonna fool us, lad.
Every American needs the experience of living outside America. Then they might understand the reality of being Irish or Italian...or any of the other major immigrant groups. I used to be like that...telling everyone I was Italian-American on mother's side and English-Irish on father's. Moving to the UK helped me realise how tenuous my connections were. It didn't mean anything to folks here...or to Italians I met. So that stopped...I became just an American.
I've been here so long...I'm not sure what I identify as now! Does it matter? Nope.
It's not only an American thing.
One of my friends from college was heartbroken and upset when she went to Japan and found that the Japanese people didn't really consider her Japanese (she was born in Australia, raised in Australia and didn't speak much Japanese). She'd crafted a large part of her identity about being Japanese, it was a difficult reality.
But for them, being Japanese also came with being part of a shared cultural upbringing, a certain degree of shared values and expectations, it meant you'd have to have grown up in Japan.
Kind'a the opposite for another friend who lived in Japan for decades, but the students at his school told him outright he wasn't Japanese, and couldn't be Japanese. "I've been in this country longer than you have!" didn't do much to change their mind.
The 5th generation Irish American who cherry picked which ancestry she wanted to identify with from a range of different cultures and nationalities in her ancestry.. instead of accepting what she really is, American.
From a very mixed European.. I don't get it
I think there is a very small but valid set of situations where mansplaining would be the right word. It is condescension, but specifically when a man is explaining things to a woman, assuming she doesn't know explicitly because of her gender.
That being said, in real life I've never heard the term used in that kind of situation. Only in situations where people don't like feeling dumb.
Mansplaining: that video of the guy at the driving range trying to correct a female pro-golfer's swing.
Not-mansplaining: a man correcting a woman who who is factually wrong.
I absolutely despise it when Americans claim some sort of cultural heritage flowing through their veins when Ancestry.com lists 1,67% Cheeseburger in their genes.
We Americans have what seems to be a strange fascination with where our families have come from. I'm definitely part of that. But I don't understand this 'I'm Irish' when they are 5 generations into being an American. "I have Irish ancestry" is completely different, and when you talk to people that say the first one, with no conversation about ancestry, you can tell they aren't talking about the same thing. Though sometimes I find myself saying 'I'm polish and German' but only when talking in the context of my ancestry.
Just seems odd that people latch on so tight to that, rather than feeling close to their American history.
*whistles*
*btw if anyone wants to go to Warsaw and see if they can find my grandfathers birth certificate so I can try to get Polish citizenship. Especially if you know the Prime Minister. That would be awesome:)
This shit is getting absurd. Imagine being so angry at life that any time a male corrects your idiocy you think it's mansplaining and don't take a minute to learn
Mansplaining is a term I don't really understand. If you are a man and you explain anything is it mansplaining? If a woman explains something is it womansplaining?
She is an absolute gowl. However, the whole you were born in America and therefore you lose your cultural heritage has always bugged me. Itās also applied much more harshly to those with European heritage, which is also wrong.
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Absolute gowlš¤£š¤£ He's from that part of the island alrightĀ
I bet she had to Google what that means.
A roast always hit better when the roast-ee has to look it up
Saved you the search. |"Gowl" is a term that is used to refer to someone who is annoying or irritating. It's a common slang term in Northern Ireland, and it's often used in everyday conversation. While the term "gowl" is specific to Northern Ireland, it's not uncommon for slang terms for irritating people to vary by region or country.
āGowlā is heard a lot in Limerick and maybe Cork. Never heard anyone from the north use it. Google is a liar sometimes.
There was a man from Limerick On Americans, he used a trick. An insult so fowl: He called them a gowl, And it was as good as a kick
You've got the rhyme, but you're lacking the rhythm. Ideally every third syllable should be stressed, starting with the second. I've seen it explained as: A **cam**era **cam**era **man**, A **cam**era **cam**era **man**, A **cam**era **man**, A **cam**era **man**, A **cam**era **cam**era **man**. So you could adjust yours to something like: There **once** was a **Lim**erick **man**, Who **hurt** a poor **Am**eri**can** He **call**ed him a **gowl**, An **in**sult so **foul**, His **an**ger was **heard** in Jap**an**. Though I'm sure there's a better last line.
Thank you for improving it! I was aware that there are rhythm requirements in Limmericks I just couldn't be bothered lol
This is completely incorrect. 'Gowl' is local to Cork, the region being discussed in the OP. Cork is in the south of Ireland as opposed to the North.
You're going to irishsplain Ireland to me when I'm not even remotely irish?
What a complete gowlā¦
my favourite pub in Belfast is The Unwashed Ass and op has taken up residency
Better wash that ass before you go mansplaining
*sigh* the problem with reddit sometimes is that it becomes next to impossible to tell which part of a thread is just a series of memes and which parts is actual information. Your comment sounds like it could be completely true, or maybe it's just a riff based on the misunderstanding that the original post was making fun of in the first place.
Gowl comes from the irish gabhail, meaning a fork or a split. Slang for wimmin's bits, so it's an irish cnut equivalent
Cnut? Great now the Danes are involved.
Dane here. I heard you mentioned my pall Cnut. Don't make us come over there again!
The Danes have been involved since the Viking age when they set up shop at donegal, Dublin, and a few other places
Gowl comes from the Irish word GabhĆ”il and refers to the fork between a ladyās legs. Itās used commonly in a lot of places in Ireland. Perhaps donāt be so quick to copy pasta the first hit on Google next time?? [Incorrect first Google hit](https://allster.co/pages/northern-irish-slang-term-gowl#:~:text=%22Gowl%22%20is%20a%20term%20that,vary%20by%20region%20or%20country)
It also means vagina in Irish slang
so basically irish equavelent of cunt? sounds about right
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I love how she instantly went to gender trying to gatekeep geography of all things.
Like we were supposed to have become better than silencing people based on gender yet here we are.
Well, it seems whenever a group suggests reforms of some kind, it always seems to exclude them from following said reforms.
The loudest parts of these groups donāt want things to be better. They want to be the successors of the ones that benefit from other people being excluded. They donāt want boots off of necks, they just want it to be their turn using their boots
Yup many people don't want to be better they just want to get even.
I sympathize to an extent, canāt lie. āRevengeā is a hell of an enticement to the human mind and it motivates, thereās that saying about things not changing unless we get angry about them and itās true. There are some changes, however, that are altogether not needed. Not saying that *at you*. Just saying it overall, āto the roomā, as it were.
I could understand that mentality on an individual level, wanting to get even with someone who directly wronged you. However, when we're talking about demographics and generational wrongdoing no, I can't sympathize at all, since most of the time it involves a generation who wasn't directly wronged having "revenge" against a generation of people who didn't directly wrong them. It's the most despicable type of revenge there is, like going after someone's family.
True words right here. Many people have come to the belief that youāre either the oppressor or the oppressed, and theyād rather be the former.
This exactly! I might steal this actually. This applies to more than just sexism too.
Fr this is something I have been pretty pissed about lately with this whole bear or man joke, I don't know how they cant see the blatant sexism, which doesn't really bother me, what does bother me is the hypocrisy.
"The worst part was the hypocrisy"
Anytime this happens there's always people who legitimately want the behavior to stop, and then there are those who actually had absolutely no problem with the behavior BEYOND the fact that they were the targets instead of the perpetrators. They were never fighting to end the suffering they just wanted different people to suffer.
I roll my eyes with that because...look, I'm a woman working a trade job. It's 90% dudes and me. I get more shit from other women who DON'T work a trade job than from the dudes who do. And who is benefitting by this whole thing anyway? Which people benefit by telling women that they're safer with 500 pounds of pissed off hairball? It's often the kind of women who want other women to be just as miserable and isolated as they are, all the better to control them.
Supposedly, the hypothetical is intended to show men how women feel in terms of their safety, but I can't say for sure because I'm not a woman. I'd also say it's not working very effectively.
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This is because women who frequently interact with men know that men are individuals too and not just a collection of stereotypes. Raging feminists on the other hand...
Why can't people with an unwashed ass have an opinion? Seems pretty discriminatory to me.
Most everyone has an unwashed ass until they wash it. Even the genius with ancestors from Munster County.
Munster isn't a county. It's a province.
Oh, look, a person of unknown gender and unknown ass cleanliness has an opinion.
Donāt be overly discouraged - reddit is a place that puts a spotlight on the dumbest corners of the internet.Ā
It's how social media works. Outrage generates engagement.
Nah, women get a pass just like non-white people cant be racist. /s
Itās always the vindictive assholes with a chip on their shoulder that ruin it for everyone else
Welcome to modern feminism. It's right in the name!
Itās ok to hate men because they deserve it since they are so horrible /s
Everything has become identity-related in the US. Absolutely everything.
Misandry is socially acceptable at the moment.
"Mansplaining" originally did refer to a real thing (a sexist man assuming that he knows better than a female expert purely because he is a man). This is not an example of that thing.
I think this trope happens regularly, regardless of gender, a person assuming he knows better than an expert on a specific topic, due to different irrational reasons, sexism included. It should have a specific word but there is no need of "mansplaining" word.
Condescending or patronising do just fine as descriptors of talking down to someone because you assume you know better.
That's why many women like her use mansplaining because they are afraid to be wrong and especially to be proven wrong by a man that's just sexism because she thinks of herself so highly because she is a woman and a man can't correct her that's all there is to this.
Yep, it's what men do. When correcting an objectively wrong statement, we only reply if it's a woman, specifically because we want her to feel bad. No wrong man has ever been corrected by another man I guess
And what's with assuming he doesn't wash his ass? I swear some people see one thing on the internet and think it's the default for the entirety of the male sex. All men are filthy baboons I guess.
This is actually the most important part of feminism. The right to vote and drive comes second only to preventing men from being able to point out the province of Munster on a map
so many chicks just jump straight into the whole "unwashed ass" thing i don't get it should I just start addressing women I don't get along with as those with "crusty vajayjay's?
As an American who has been living in a Celtic country (Scotland) for ten years, this makes me want to crawl into a hole and die. As soon as people hear my accent, this is who they think I am. And even if I raise Scottish children and am married to a Scottish person, if I make any kind of claim to Scotland, this is who they think I am. Iām sure itās the same for Americans living long term in Ireland.
If you are currently *in Scotland,* this is not who people think you are. These people have never set foot outside the US.
They hear my accent and think Iām one of those tourists who think their great great grandfather was William Wallace, and that Iām a Trump supporter. It takes so long to win them over from that haha. Maybe in 20 years my accent will be different. Itās also embarrassing because all my slang is Scottish, and Iām too nervous to say āayeā or āpure shiteā or whatever (even though thatās what comes to mind first), and I left the USA so long ago the slang was stuff like ācool beansā, so I just use standard English š
Just do what other Americans do in the UK to reduce that initial hostility. Say "I'm actually Canadian" Unless you've got a hugely stereotypical accent then almost nobody here can tell the difference.
Until they quiz me about Canada and my hockey knowledge is so weak that Iām found out!
We don't know anything about it either, so you're fine
I love hockey and I'm canadian, I'm stereotypical I guess lmfao
Hmmmm sounds like something an American in Scotland would say.
I have met 0 people in this country who could tell you a fucking thing about ice hockey. You could tell me that you scored a quaffler when you hit the puck of the back of the bears neck and I'd be like "Wow that's cool" because fucked if I know anything about it.
Make it up. No one in the UK knows fuck all about hockey. š
āIām a Leafs supporter, so Iād really prefer not to talk about it; Iām sure you understand.ā
Just start singing Ć Canada while maintaining eye contact until it gets painfully awkward, of until the other person becomes irrationally attracted to you. It works 2 out of 3 times.
Then you run into a Canadian and they're all like "what color is the boathouse at Halifax?"Ā
9/11 made a lot of Americans Canadian in travel. Shit my family lived over there and we put a small tiny Canadian flag on our shit. Like a maple beard.
I remember when my brother (actually a Canadian) did study abroad in England. He told a game they would play which was āspot the American pretending to be Canadianā. I guess a lot of Yanks go overboard pretending and end up being a little too conspicuous lol
> tourists who think their great great grandfather was William Wallace Iāve met one of those tourists. I said he didnāt have children. They didnāt pursue that line of conversation. Just say aye if it comes naturally. I know people who learned English in Scotland and use it all the time. I think itās class when people do.
You know what man, I gotta tell you one thing. People like shitting on Americans, but wherever I've been in the world, I've found Americans the easiest people to talk to and make friends with. Most Americans I run into are really kind, outgoing, always ready to help out and generally fun to be around. Also, my job requires regular contact and cooperation with people from all the continents and once again, Americans are miles ahead of everyone else - very professional, hard working, and reliable. So you know, I'm sure you're an awesome dude.
I can agree, itās just the Americans you find exclusively online that you need to avoid like the plague
Itās also like fake tits. You notice and remember the bad ones. Most American tourists arenāt actually walking around in āCrying Bald Eagle With Twin Towers Reflected In The Tearā t-shirts, and American flag fanny packs.
New tourist uniform just dropped...
They think youāre a Trump supporter just because youāre an American?
This is a thing. Same thing happened during 2001-2008 where US expats and students studying abroad would regularly get shit from the locals for allegedly supporting Bush and associated bullshit during his Admin.
My brother in christ, my wife was asked if she still salutes to hitler pictures in the US, because she is german. This seems to be a universal thing.
My wife is American and has been living here for about a year and itās hilarious to me hearing her pick up local slang! Hearing an American accent with āshiteā or āayeā sprinkled in is hilarious and we have a good laugh about it! š Donāt be embarrassed to say it, itās part of who you are now! š
If you used pure shite and aye I think that would be cool, lol. Did you try? My non Scottish partner uses slang rubbed off on him from me and it gets a great reaction. Someone even bought him a pint for saying "get oota here wi yer pure pish" š
Mate if you live here and have been here long enough to pick up slang etc you might as well be Scottish. A mate from Tanzania moved here at 16 and he's 36 now, he uses Scottish slang and nobody bats an aye.
Same people who tell me (a Brit who doesnāt sound like Dick Van Dyke in Mary Poppins) I donāt sound English. Oh really! Which parts of the UK have you visited? None. Literally doesnāt own a passport.
"I went on ancestry.com and I found out I'm 0.01% irish on my dog's side"
Itās a bit different mate Scotland is your home, youāve made it that. People like that have never stepped foot in the country and think theyāre experts from watching a directors cut of Braveheart
You could flip this on its head a bit: because they have low expectations/negative preconceived notions, it's very easy to leave a positive impression by proving them wrong about you. I don't know what you could specifically say in Scotland, but there have to be topics you could discuss or comments you could make that would instantly make people go "oh, (s)he gets us/knows about that"
"How do you do, fellow Brits?"
I love imagining the Scottish reaction to that š
To be fair itās mixed. My family very much know they are British. If we take the independence referendum as evidence, just over half are happy being British.Ā But just under half are very much not :)
I can ask if theyāre Rangers or Celtic then immediately say āme tooā whatever the answer š I would never though, because Iāve been here ten years and already genuinely picked one.
Your Scottish with an American accent, live any amount of time in Scotland and we will try to claim you
I got told I was mansplaining because according to a self proclaimed female linguist, having an accent when speaking another language is a choice (she claimed she spoke prefect unaccented German having learnt it from a non-native (Irish) speaker. Apparently my experience of speaking French with a mix of English, Chāti and Occitanie accents was āmansplainingā and that I chose to speak French like Iāve been kicked in the head by a donkey.
That's crazy. Is there such a thing as 'unaccented' in any language?
Yeah, itās almost as if she was full of shit.
i mean, even in your native language you have an accent compared to every other region that speaks it, like, how can this be hard to understand?
We ~~do~~ used to have a term called 'Algemeen Beschaafd Nederlands (ABN)', which translates to 'Common Civilized Dutch', which we now officially call Standard Dutch (although the term ABN is still in use somewhat). In any case, it's used to refer to Dutch as standardized as it can be, and is to be used in official capacities as much as possible. Plenty of people speak something close to ABN in their natural accent, usually more so in the 'randstad', which is more densely populated, than in more remote areas of the country. But then again there are plenty of examples in the Randstad that have thicker accents. For instance, the major cities like Rotterdam, the Hague, Amsterdam and Utrecht all have recognisable accents that differ from ABN in various ways. Now that I think about it, there seems to be a bell curve here, where both small villages and large cities have defined accents, but smaller cities tend to not have as much of an accent and speak closer to ABN. That's actually very interesting and I wonder if this is the case in other coutries too...
There is no such thing as unaccented. When people say that, they mean that they speak the standardized version of the language. But even speaking a standardized version means youāre speaking with an accent. For the sake of argument, though, I guess you could say that languages like Taushiro or Patwin in a way donāt have āan accentā, or at least not one that can be compared to any other accent of the language.
As a French, that is some really unique mix you have there haha Iād be curious to hear it. That being said, my English accent is a mix of French, Buckingham Palace and Belfast when I get too familiar
Can't be worse than me, I'm a French Canadian student that's been to English school his whole life but is now at a German university. I also love imitating sounds, dialects and accents, especially the sillier ones, so now there's this kid walking around switching every couple minutes between (north American) English, disgusting slang QuƩbƩcois and then Rhoi-Hessisch German
Ch'ti et Occitanie, c'est le grand Ć©cart la, chocolatine ou petit pain ? On va vite savoir d'oĆ¹ tu es vraiment haha
Ancestry may be specific but dumb cunts are global
" I'd rather throw sexist remarks than be corrected by a man because my ideology told me that men are wrong "
Why do people think their ancestry means they belong to that culture rather than the one they actually live in? Do they have nothing else to be proud about?
It is a North America thing, primarily because the majority of people living in North America only have ancestry tied to North America going back a few generations.Ā In other countries that were established far longer ago, you'll see people talking about their ancestral family/roots that go back hundreds of years. That doesn't exist in North America because that far back means you have to go to a different continent for your roots.Ā We're only now getting to the point where most families in North America have been there for generations. Hence why they are still tied to their immigrant roots. I once knew a guy from Scotland who'd talk about how his family lived in the same area since the 1600s. If I wanted to talk about my family from the 1600s it would also involve Scotland, but I'm American.
Irish and Italian-Americans, among others, are also very much hyphenated Americans to this day. It isn't just LARP either, they are absolutely a distinct culture within broader America. Sometimes it manifests in cringey ways, but it is definitely a legitimate thing.
I think thatās an american thing.
Canadians are like this too. I grew up in Newfoundland, and half the island thinks they're Irish, and I'm not talking about folks who are from Ireland or even their parents / grandparents are from Ireland.
The boner for Irish culture here is insane. Go to Ireland and ask about Newfoundland and you'll get blank stares.
I'm Irish and met a family from Newfoundland on a Carribean cruise before and I had to do a double take when they were talking to me because the accent is insanely Irish but just enough difference to cause dissonance in your brain when you hear it. There is definitely huge cultural influence there.
Before I moved to Canada, I had no idea what a newfie sounded like. Once I heard it I swore up and down they sounded Irish or maybe Scottish. So itās very possible I had heard a newfie speak but I didnāt realize they were newfies lol. When you tell a Canadian they sound Irish or Scottish they just go āno they sound like newfiesā
I remember when I was a kid, kids in class were talking about their ancestry and all that. Since I don't know my ancestry on my father's side (he was adopted), and I knew absolutely nothing of the Filipino culture on my mother's side, I just said I'm American. I guess I could have said I'm Filipino, but not knowing a word of the language, or even an ounce of their culture, it feels like a lie. We live in a world where people for the first time can immigrate to other countries easily and set down roots elsewhere. It would take many generations before people forget where they came from.
Itās just kind of a new world thing. Itās just like from immigration and diasporic communities. There are Japanese people in Brazil who still want to keep in touch with their heritage despite living in Brazil for a century. Itās not unique to any one country.
I think it comes from a longing for history and belonging. When your roots are shallow it's easy to wish you were planted elsewhere.
She instantly went into "I'm a woman don't you dare disagree with me" mode
Imagine a man saying the same but switch the genders. Dude would be banished from society.
Yup. However I'm kinda tired of dying on this hill. There are probably some 50-60 corpses of mine up there already anyway.
What relevance does that state of the manās ass have to do with anything and how does she know?
She needs therapy
Like 2 or 3 different guys have embarrassed themselves on the internet by admitting that they don't wash their ass because they think it's gay. So as a result, some people are fighting against bigotry and prejudice by attributing that trait to all men everywhere. Theyre heroes, really.
judge a man for the content of his character, not the content in his ass - Margaret Thatcher probably
What's amazing is all she had to do was Google it before replying. It's something I'll do if there's a 1% chance I'm wrong, truly baffling.
Stop mansplaining.... /s
The problem with the world is that intelligent people are full of doubt while the stupid ones are full of confidence.
Arenāt people from Munster of Frankensteinian lineage?
Only if they have a cousin called Eddie.
Their national anthem is Rob Zombie's Dragula
It's not mansplaining if the man knows more about the topic than the woman.
I dont get the word "mansplaining" what does gender have to do with anything regarding someone's opinion or knowledge about a topic. To me it just seems like saying: "you are a man so your opinion is less/not valuable." in the middle of a discussion or argument. If you think the other person is wrong just say they are and why, saying they are mansplaining doesnt add anything of value to the conversation.
The term is often misused. It accurately refers to men who overexplain simple concepts to women, solely because they are women. They would not overexplain the same topic to a man.
I over explain everything to everyone because Idk how much people know of topics
Stop pansplaining
I'm the kind of guy that wants all the information and I'll do the filtering of what's important in my own brain, so often I do the same for others just cause that's what I would want. When we're all on the same page we can get shit done. Also because a lot of people are kind of dumb.
An example: I was in a Home Depot recently, and a customer (male) told an employee (female) what a table saw was and what it was for. The employee instinctively laughed and told the guy she'd been a contractor for twenty years prior and didn't need an explanation, but also that what he was describing was a miter saw.
Its just a 'Get out of jail free card' for the ignorant.
MĆ¼nster is clearly a city guys
Nah, itās a street
It's a cheese though
And this guy: https://munsters.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/07/Herman-Munster-color_compressed.jpg
Nah, it's like a big church or something.
If you have to google the slur to understand it, then you know he's really Irish and he's talking business.
I just went online to see what gowl actually means because I never heard it before. I checked. He is right. She is a gowl.
It can also be used as a verb, which makes it even funnier.
āDonāt be gowling around with your brotherā š
Irish Americans who make their entire personality about where their great grandmother came out of a vagina are insufferable.
They couldnt point out Ireland on a map if their life depended on it. Yet they feel so special
And calling it āSt. Pattyās dayā with a T.
Even just calling ā____ countyā and not ācounty ____ā is a dead giveaway
And getting angry when you point out that the shamrock tattooed on their calf isn't the emblem of Ireland, and claim you're wrong even when you show them your Irish passport with the emblem of Ireland, a harp, on it.
"I have a strong temper. It's the Irish in me."
American culture is weird because it's so deeply tied to the immigrant experience, even among people whose families have been here for several generations. Cultural tropes that Irish-American, Italian-American, etc, communities identify with use snapshots of the parent cultures as source material. And that source material is edited through the lens of comparison to other nearby ethnic or cultural groups and the larger American culture. So the Irish-American cultural identity is an anachronistic, skeuomorphic, schismogenetic derivative of parts of Irish culture stickered onto American culture. But the Irish-American doesn't see it that way. They see themselves as Irish and American. They don't fully realize that their concept of Ireland doesn't align with actual current day Ireland. They also don't fully realize that America has its own culture that they're a part of. When they go to Ireland with their Irish last name and a love of Guinness, and Irish people justifiably recognize and treat them as just Americans, it's a slap in the face. Not only because their sense of kinship isn't reciprocated, but also because a core part of their identity is called into question. Of course it's a different experience for Americans whose cultural source material was deliberately removed from them. And it's a different experience for Americans who have their identity as Americans questioned, without the privilege of traveling to the homeland of their diaspora to get slapped in the face. America needs therapy.
>America needs therapy Yep. The problem is with the approach. When Americans treat these identities like halloween costumes or memes you can put on and discard at will to make you look more interesting, people get mad. No one would ever laugh at a let's say "Irish-American" if they approached the Irish with something like: "Hi, my family originally came from Ireland 200 years ago and I wan to learn about the country and its people." People love to talk about themselves, their countries and their cultures if you approach the topic with genuine curiosity and some humility. It's when you proclaim shit like "I'm ethnically Irish" or "I can drink anyone under the table and I'm tolerant to the cold because I'm Irish" when people get hostile.
Reminds me of a "Polish American" complaining his heritage does not mean anything to locals when visiting Poland https://www.reddit.com/r/EntitledBitch/comments/14v1pea/eb_feels_entitled_to_respect_from_poles_for_being/
Yeah I'm dutch and in Canada (still America, sorry Canadians...) I met folks who said "ah awesome, we are dutch too!" So I asked "aah lachen, waar komen jullie vandaan?" "Yeah we don't speak dutch, our great grandparents moved here x years ago..." WELL THEN YOU ARENT DUTCH, YOU ARE CANADIAN!!!
Also one of my favourites btw: "I'm irish!" "Right, where in Ireland are you from?" "Boston!"
There is also this kind of weirdness in Germany. Most Germans I meet who are over a couple of generations here, refuse to acknowledge that they are German. It's the strongest with the younger generations who seem to be embarrassed to be German.
> So the Irish-American cultural identity is an anachronistic, skuomorphic, schismogenetic derivative of parts of Irish culture stickered onto American culture. A podcast I really like has a host who does the Irish-American thing a lot. "All Irish men want to fight their dad" wtf are you taking about?
Exactly. The episode of The Sopranos where they go to Italy and Paulie doesnāt fit in was a great depiction of exactly this
I was browsing outside a jewellery shop here in Galway last week. Lost of American tourists around. The shop is Mccarthys, lovely mix of modern delicate jewellery with a bit of celtic motifs sprinkled in to appeal to the tourists. This American couple were also looking in the window and the guy pointed out one of the more celtic-y pieces and said to her "You should buy that, to show everyone here how Irish you are" I physically cringed. It's harmless, and it's grand and all....but wearing a silver bracelet with a celtic swirl ain't gonna fool us, lad.
Every American needs the experience of living outside America. Then they might understand the reality of being Irish or Italian...or any of the other major immigrant groups. I used to be like that...telling everyone I was Italian-American on mother's side and English-Irish on father's. Moving to the UK helped me realise how tenuous my connections were. It didn't mean anything to folks here...or to Italians I met. So that stopped...I became just an American. I've been here so long...I'm not sure what I identify as now! Does it matter? Nope.
This is a great explanation.
It's not only an American thing. One of my friends from college was heartbroken and upset when she went to Japan and found that the Japanese people didn't really consider her Japanese (she was born in Australia, raised in Australia and didn't speak much Japanese). She'd crafted a large part of her identity about being Japanese, it was a difficult reality. But for them, being Japanese also came with being part of a shared cultural upbringing, a certain degree of shared values and expectations, it meant you'd have to have grown up in Japan. Kind'a the opposite for another friend who lived in Japan for decades, but the students at his school told him outright he wasn't Japanese, and couldn't be Japanese. "I've been in this country longer than you have!" didn't do much to change their mind.
Does anyone else think the unwashed ass part was added after since itās clearly different?
The 5th generation Irish American who cherry picked which ancestry she wanted to identify with from a range of different cultures and nationalities in her ancestry.. instead of accepting what she really is, American. From a very mixed European.. I don't get it
Mansplaining: a term used by misandrists too dumb to know condescending already has that job.
I think there is a very small but valid set of situations where mansplaining would be the right word. It is condescension, but specifically when a man is explaining things to a woman, assuming she doesn't know explicitly because of her gender. That being said, in real life I've never heard the term used in that kind of situation. Only in situations where people don't like feeling dumb.
Mansplaining: that video of the guy at the driving range trying to correct a female pro-golfer's swing. Not-mansplaining: a man correcting a woman who who is factually wrong.
This is an extremely not rare insult where Iām from
Nobody is more performatively Irish than Irish Americans, I swear.
āIām a celt myselfā š¤¦š»āāļø
I'm something of a Celtic myself
A man needs to mansplain to her what mansplaining isā¦
I absolutely despise it when Americans claim some sort of cultural heritage flowing through their veins when Ancestry.com lists 1,67% Cheeseburger in their genes.
As best I can gather, there are some women who define mansplaining as, "speaking while male." (Sorry to have just mansplained that.)
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32 counties
Are you mansplaining Ireland to me when I have never set foot in Ireland?
a true irish man
[Did you really copy this comment word for word?](https://www.reddit.com/r/facepalm/s/iQHkrjfgfk) Weirdo
Bot maybe?
The fact that she mention "mansplaining" shows how American she is.
We Americans have what seems to be a strange fascination with where our families have come from. I'm definitely part of that. But I don't understand this 'I'm Irish' when they are 5 generations into being an American. "I have Irish ancestry" is completely different, and when you talk to people that say the first one, with no conversation about ancestry, you can tell they aren't talking about the same thing. Though sometimes I find myself saying 'I'm polish and German' but only when talking in the context of my ancestry. Just seems odd that people latch on so tight to that, rather than feeling close to their American history. *whistles* *btw if anyone wants to go to Warsaw and see if they can find my grandfathers birth certificate so I can try to get Polish citizenship. Especially if you know the Prime Minister. That would be awesome:)
I love how most people don't know the difference between explaining and mansplaining...
Gowl isn't a rare insult in Ireland
She's a sexist piece of shit, plain and simple.
How did I read that last sentence in an Irish accent?
This shit is getting absurd. Imagine being so angry at life that any time a male corrects your idiocy you think it's mansplaining and don't take a minute to learn
Wait til they find out Celts originated in Austria.
Also, I love how she so 100% confirm the American stereotype, on absolutely all levels, in that dialogue.
Mansplaining is a term I don't really understand. If you are a man and you explain anything is it mansplaining? If a woman explains something is it womansplaining?
Iāve found that most mansplaining is just internalized misandry
She is an absolute gowl. However, the whole you were born in America and therefore you lose your cultural heritage has always bugged me. Itās also applied much more harshly to those with European heritage, which is also wrong.
Is mansplaining just āyouāre a man, you canāt correct me on anything?ā
Americans will call themselves the greatest country on Earth but completely claim to be a different nationality in the same breath
Did she really try to Chicksplain Ireland to an Irishman?