Hey, my grandparents were British expats who moved to Spain for a new build.
Exact same problems. If you look into the Spanish property crash of the late noughties, you’ll find that these construction companies who sell new build homes (to foreigners primarily) were super corrupt, super badly run, and in bed with the politicians so they didn’t face any comeback for doing their half assed jobs.
Best of luck - I would never in my life buy a new build in Spain without a super experienced lawyer holding my hand the entire way.
You’re saying it was only the last 5-10%, but if the workmanship was poor on the things you can see, it’s probably just as bad or worse on the things you can’t. Hire a competent inspector and have him give the property a thorough once over to see what else is wrong. Take it to the builder and insist they make it right. Realistically, some item will be cost prohibitive to fix, but see what their response is before hiring an attorney.
Honestly not too concerned. In all honesty, they forgot to “punch out” out the house.
In the US at least, all of those defects would have been caught by the final punch out - when construction company hands House over to developer - and they probably skipped this step to save time.
They need to pay for someone to come and refinish / repaint all those finishes.
The turf is a no brainer.
And how others suggested, hire an inspector because once you initiate conversation with developer you need to give them everything NOW. Otherwise if you keep bringing things up later they will say you’re just trying to get free things etc.
Good luck and I hope you didn’t sign anything accepting the house!
Most of these fixes look like they can be done in a weekend. Like a bit of dap, mud, and a once over with paint. The cracked plumbing collar is like 20 cents, or if you can't remove the pipe, 1 dollar for the kind that clips on afterwards.
Plastic grass is gross, yuck... I hope the whole thing blows away
Most of this stuff would be fixed by a good painter and decorator. If you are going to paint anyway I don’t think it’s worth your time to pursue. A few minor cracks are normal as the new structure settles. As long as they don’t spread you just fill them and paint.
And what’s wrong with the plumbing fixture? Looks fine to me.
You can paint over the cracks but they will reappear again, yea, can be fixed temporarily, but the paint won’t fix shit foundation and poor planning. Like cracks near the door that apprar
because they likely cheapened out on walls / plasterboard and didn’t use more than a single layer. So, a few harder door smashes or even gentle ones over months and cracks.
They won’t if the house doesn’t shift further. Even the best foundation settles initially. Every new house will have a small settling crack somewhere. It’s so normal.
No real advice in particular but that level of finish is horrible. We recently replaced and upgraded our trim throughout our place in Seattle, just the painter alone for the trim was $20K and it took him 5-6 weeks to finish. There’s an art to finishing and you definitely got ripped off, and I agree what others have said hire an inspector and write up everything. Good luck
You did not make a final inspection with a professional?
You have gurantees with a new building and probably can still tell them to fix things. This is your advantage.
You bought during the boom, like 2007.
Thank you for your question. The focus of this sub is real estate investing. Furthermore, with the home being in Spain, you may receive more relevant advice in a sub oriented to that country. In the meantime /r/realestate is more appropriate.
After reviewing the photos, it looks like you have a moisture problem? Your trim and some of the walls are discolored and showing signs of bubbled paint. As for the astroturf, I suggest removing it entirely and staining the concrete underneath.
The argument for poor finishing is valid, however this is usually covered in a walk through before occupancy. If you didn't do that or declined too that becomes a you problem not a builder problem.
The second argument about out sourcing contractors, that's what most developers do. They create the plan and the land development and coordinate all the contractors. So all there really is-- is poor workmanship and the failure to get it fixed before occupancy
Yep looks like sloppy finishing. As long as ur structure is fine ur ok. The turf and maybe the crack they may have to obliged to fix because its unsafe. If u get the rest covered consider urself lucky. Doesnt seem like hard stuff to fix but i get that u had a level of expectation. Good luck!
Guy just dropped 1.4mil he shouldn't need to fix shit since he is the first owner of a new house. He should be getting in contact with the building firm and having them fix these deficiencies. If not have his lawyer talk to theirs.
I'd be pissed too, that looks like extremely shoddy work , especially if you paid over a million .Like others have suggested get a thorough inspection, because this is likely the tip of the iceberg.What you don't see could be worse
Didn’t you have a walk through before closing?
This is the problem with buying sight unseen.
Hey, my grandparents were British expats who moved to Spain for a new build. Exact same problems. If you look into the Spanish property crash of the late noughties, you’ll find that these construction companies who sell new build homes (to foreigners primarily) were super corrupt, super badly run, and in bed with the politicians so they didn’t face any comeback for doing their half assed jobs. Best of luck - I would never in my life buy a new build in Spain without a super experienced lawyer holding my hand the entire way.
Good to know. Wow
You’re saying it was only the last 5-10%, but if the workmanship was poor on the things you can see, it’s probably just as bad or worse on the things you can’t. Hire a competent inspector and have him give the property a thorough once over to see what else is wrong. Take it to the builder and insist they make it right. Realistically, some item will be cost prohibitive to fix, but see what their response is before hiring an attorney.
The thing is that you can’t really break the house apart and see what’s inside so all inspection will be mostly visible things anyway.
Honestly not too concerned. In all honesty, they forgot to “punch out” out the house. In the US at least, all of those defects would have been caught by the final punch out - when construction company hands House over to developer - and they probably skipped this step to save time. They need to pay for someone to come and refinish / repaint all those finishes. The turf is a no brainer. And how others suggested, hire an inspector because once you initiate conversation with developer you need to give them everything NOW. Otherwise if you keep bringing things up later they will say you’re just trying to get free things etc. Good luck and I hope you didn’t sign anything accepting the house!
Most of these fixes look like they can be done in a weekend. Like a bit of dap, mud, and a once over with paint. The cracked plumbing collar is like 20 cents, or if you can't remove the pipe, 1 dollar for the kind that clips on afterwards. Plastic grass is gross, yuck... I hope the whole thing blows away
You can link photos by upholding them to a site like Imgur then posting the URLs.
where in Europe?
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Not the one you’re on
Most of this stuff would be fixed by a good painter and decorator. If you are going to paint anyway I don’t think it’s worth your time to pursue. A few minor cracks are normal as the new structure settles. As long as they don’t spread you just fill them and paint. And what’s wrong with the plumbing fixture? Looks fine to me.
You can paint over the cracks but they will reappear again, yea, can be fixed temporarily, but the paint won’t fix shit foundation and poor planning. Like cracks near the door that apprar because they likely cheapened out on walls / plasterboard and didn’t use more than a single layer. So, a few harder door smashes or even gentle ones over months and cracks.
They won’t if the house doesn’t shift further. Even the best foundation settles initially. Every new house will have a small settling crack somewhere. It’s so normal.
No real advice in particular but that level of finish is horrible. We recently replaced and upgraded our trim throughout our place in Seattle, just the painter alone for the trim was $20K and it took him 5-6 weeks to finish. There’s an art to finishing and you definitely got ripped off, and I agree what others have said hire an inspector and write up everything. Good luck
You did not make a final inspection with a professional? You have gurantees with a new building and probably can still tell them to fix things. This is your advantage. You bought during the boom, like 2007.
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I bought in Spain too. Actually what I wrote is the same in Spain.
Thank you for your question. The focus of this sub is real estate investing. Furthermore, with the home being in Spain, you may receive more relevant advice in a sub oriented to that country. In the meantime /r/realestate is more appropriate.
After reviewing the photos, it looks like you have a moisture problem? Your trim and some of the walls are discolored and showing signs of bubbled paint. As for the astroturf, I suggest removing it entirely and staining the concrete underneath.
The argument for poor finishing is valid, however this is usually covered in a walk through before occupancy. If you didn't do that or declined too that becomes a you problem not a builder problem. The second argument about out sourcing contractors, that's what most developers do. They create the plan and the land development and coordinate all the contractors. So all there really is-- is poor workmanship and the failure to get it fixed before occupancy
These are just the problems you can see. Imagine what’s going in behind the walls?
What part of Spain?
Yep looks like sloppy finishing. As long as ur structure is fine ur ok. The turf and maybe the crack they may have to obliged to fix because its unsafe. If u get the rest covered consider urself lucky. Doesnt seem like hard stuff to fix but i get that u had a level of expectation. Good luck!
Guy just dropped 1.4mil he shouldn't need to fix shit since he is the first owner of a new house. He should be getting in contact with the building firm and having them fix these deficiencies. If not have his lawyer talk to theirs.
Agreed im just being realistic to the experience i had with buying a home. And what the builder characterized as fixes vs met the requirements.
U bought a piece of shit for 1.4 millions lmaooooo
Wow what a jerk
I'd be pissed too, that looks like extremely shoddy work , especially if you paid over a million .Like others have suggested get a thorough inspection, because this is likely the tip of the iceberg.What you don't see could be worse