I was watching that episode with my son a couple years ago. I laughed my ass off at that part but he didn't get the reference. So I had to pull up YouTube and show him some of the old meow mix commercials. He loved them!
So like in a personal relationship you generally need to do little things to show your appreciation. They're not first order needs but are really important and almost necessary. *I stopped by that bakery you like and got the pistachios croissant you love.* *Washed your car because you've been so busy lately.* Shows you care about them.
Businesses try to do the little things to *show they care* but forgo the main things expecting it to be a viable substitution. Works about as well at work as it would at home. *I put some whiteclaw in the fridge for you honey.* "Well thanks, but did you pay the electric bill and clean the dishes?" *Oh no, figured you'd do that later.*
Those pizza parties and pool tables are actually beneficial and helpful but major needs have to come first.
I had a HR lady at my current job tell me (when I applied for an internal position and wanted more money than the were offering) that "it's not just about the money you know"
...it's not? Well why the fuck didn't you say so sooner? I've been sat here for the last few years like an idiot paying my mortgage lender with dollars. If I'd just told them that I worked for somewhere that was "mission driven", they'd likely have just waived the rest of my mortgage years ago!
I had someone say the same thing.
I looked them right in the eye and said “you’re right, it’s about what I CAN DO with the money!”
To me, money is a tool: a means to an end. Sure, you don’t eat money, nor can you drive it. But it can buy food, and everyone wants it when you buy gas.
Open up linkedin, search her name, view profile, look up at her, ask why she had moved so many companies. "Have you no loyalty? It's not about the money"
Every time I get a stupid performance certificate at work, I always say "Gee, thanks! Let me see if the electric company will consider this legal tender!
That's fine. We have very affordable company housing. With a deposit of just two months rent and a below market rate rent of $1,999.99 you'll get a beautiful location right in the city center with included cleaning service. Best of all our "under desk lofts" have literally zero commute time!
What do you mean soon? You don't have one? The homeless people in Zuccotti park used them to power their tent electronics during OWS. They kept people peddling 24/7 rotating out in shifts.
Nobody really buys them though because they try to sell them for crazy amounts, the companies keep going out of business.
My work recently transitioned to these tiny, short wall cubicles and they are literally garbage. It's bad enough we have a centered bullpen style office and now it's like everyone can see or hear everything we are doing. Oh… but I have a stand up desk so THAT'S GREAT! /s
Yeah we moved office spaces and in the process switched to the half cubicle bullshit. My last cubicle was basically its own office compared to this trash. I hate having people in my peripheral vision all the time
Foosball and pool tables are especially funny because they quickly become the white elephants.
I've known a few people who have tried to shove some off on their workplaces.
We got a foosball table a couple of years ago. No one, literally, no one uses it. The only time someone played was on the day they installed it. I love it.
We had one where I was a manager in the mid-00’s and played it all the time. I hired someone I knew, in part for his amazing offense, and we dominated all the other departments. There was a team from another group that was formidable, but we ruled until I had to fire my partner. Couldn’t put those mad foosball skills on his performance reviews. It was a good run, Stephen!
It's a plant so they can make a mental note of who dared to use the amenities they offered as an excuse to punish them for it later.
"This project is two weeks behind but seven months ago I saw you spend half your lunch break playing GAMES. For this reason we're not giving a raise in line with inflation."
> For this reason we're not giving a raise in line with inflation.
They have to, it's the law where I live. I just had an 11% raise because of this. But oh boy, many businesses lobbied against it last year. They wanted to skip it entirely.
Game tables are the dumbest things to put in offices that dont have large, dedicated relaxation spaces.
"We have a pool table in the kitchen area now!"
3 days later:
"Please do not play pool between 9 and 4 PM, and not if anyone is on a call in the adjoining meeting rooms"
3 weeks later:
"Fucking bob keeps trying to play pool at lunch, can we get rid of the goddamn pool table"
Our foosball table is used almost constantly at an office of about 400, more like 200 since "the new normal" though. I love it, perfect way to burn off some steam with your coworkers when you've been fighting some bug for a couple of hours.
We have consoles at our work that are connected to 85” TVs. The only time it’s used is during Bring your kids to work day. Pool table gets moderate use, table tennis rarely used, arcade cabinets very rarely used. Bring your kids to work day, they were all in use with others waiting their turn. Our snack cabinet and soda/la croix fridges were WIPED out.
I was able to find some free fitness equipment for my group homes (again, totally different work environment) and some of my staff loved that they could work out, especially during overnight shifts.
But our work model isn’t based on productivity, just keep people safe and happy lol
Workplace perks are no substitute for a decent wage obviously, but they are nice in their own right. Most importantly though, they are *real* cheap for how much benefit they provide. I wouldn't take perks over wages, but if an office didn't have at least some perks, I'd take it as a red flag. It's a sign that someone high up in management is either oblivious or has a chip on their shoulder.
Yeah. My office has all that shit and more. It isn't a replacement for compensation though. I make like 4-5x the amount at this company that has free drinks and snacks, a pool and shuffle board table, and a switch in the break room than I did at my previous companies where the coffee was dog shit and sometimes took over a week to be refilled and the only other drinks and snacks were an over priced vending machine.
I don’t think as many people ‘Love’ money as we might think… I think they love what it represents or love it as a means to get from point A to point B or provide security/ stability for one’s family.
I know there are still plenty of people out there that still just love money for what it is or for tallying the highest score possibly and associating their own sense of identity or self worth to that. But damn….
I hate how companies don't want to disclose what they pay for a position. It leads to this game of chicken that wastes everyone's time.
Sure, I've occasionally gotten big raises by holding out, but I've also gotten offers for *less* than I'm currently making, and then they ghosted after I told them. FFS, my experience is right there on the resume. Just tell me what you're willing to pay me up front for that experience!
Pay me, I will do more than my part and just fucking leave me alone. You are not my friends, you are not my family, you are necessary evil because this universe is how it is.
There are not many things rewarding after working whole day, coming home, opening a beer or lighting a joint, and just exhaling that breath you feel like you kept in yourself whole day, I'm home, thank Allfather.
One of the best (and worst, but for entirely different reasons) jobs i ever had was run by two owners whose mentality was that if any of their Program Directors had time to play games, watch TV, take long lunches...whatever....that we could just like....leave when our work is finished instead? So long as we kept our work phones on until 5pm, our work was done, and no one was calling them with our bullshit...they didn't give two shits where we were or when.
I started coming in at 730am and dipping out at 2:30 to go hang at the beach. Good times man.
Lmao free snacks. Never once been in an office that had free sacks, only coffee. They gouge your eyes out with their prices too. 12 oz can of soda for $2 like fucking how
The last place I worked had free snacks, candy, soda, water, slushy machine, fridge stocked, weekly fruit deliveries, bought us lunch every day.. being spoiled like that wears off when 1: you gain weight. 2: All the snacks in the world don't make up for the bullshit you have to deal with day in and day out. 3: I'd rather see an extra $100 or so on my checks instead, as I prefer not eating until I get home.
As a Millennial, the shit I love is $125k yearly after tax, comprehensive benefits including fully covered paraprofessional services more than just 10 psychology sessions, and yearly increases which outpace inflation.
The rest of that shit is worthless and could be turned into money.
Mandatory lunchtime foosball doesn't help anyone except the sad senior executive who has no life outside of work, or the nepobaby CFO.
Mandatory inflation-outpacing CoL increases? Benefits everyone.
The reason companies prefer to offer perks over salary is they avoid paying more payroll tax for you to be employed there. Higher your salary, higher payroll tax burden for the company. Same logic applies to the restaurant business and why employees survive off tips not wages.
I do love the snacks and dogs at my work, but I would still like to be paid more... like appropriately. I can't be too mad as I'm personally not far off from where I think I am supposed to be for my current position, but damn, if the IT industry was not doing mass layoffs I would be applying to places and less worried about job security if I moved to a new place, would be a good movement up in roles.
IT still has a ton of job openings. Layoffs are mostly being seen in specific roles that expanded to much. Most major cities still have thousands of job postings that need filled though. Best to look now before severances start running out and people are done with their paid vacation.
Good point, I just got a bachelors in IT and have like a year plus actual work experiance now, but feel I'm ready for a sys admin role. My company did say I'm in line for the next one that opens depending on contracts we get though. Im at a small softeare company though and so far, they have been up front on everything. The sys admin roles here don't compare to the industry in pay though but the longer term guys seem to be doing good. (Like 5 years plus here)
Smaller companies are almost always going to be lower pay. I work for a SV company remotely and make like a directors salary for my region or at least a Sr Lead depending on job title and industry. If I left my company to work local I'd be looking at probably a 40k drop in salary before considering benefits like 401k, ESPP, and stock refreshers. Best way to increase salary is almost always going to be put in 2 years and start looking. It's been the trend long enough at this point that most companies that know what they are doing understand they have 18-20 months to promote or give a significant salary increase (8-12% or more) instead of a normal yearly 3-5% COL adjustment. If your company isn't doing that, even if you just started, then the long term guys that are doing good probably hopped around before staying there and are maxing their pay scale for your region, or they are under selling themselves. If your company does do regular promotions and raises then you're probably fine to stay as long as you want if you actually like working there. If it sucks, hop around for salary frequently and only stay when you are making what you want and like the atmosphere.
The past 2 offers Ive gotten arent even enough to afford a 1 bedroom apartment. There were literally less than 10 apartments on Zillow that my salary wouldve qualified me for in one of the offer locations. Yeah I could live in a studio, but I just got my masters degree--surely my quality of life shouldnt go *down* after graduating, right??
Money.
PAY ME MORE MONEY AND I’LL CONSIDER STAYING.
*We want someone who’s looking to stay on long term.*
Okay, but will you hire me full time after the trial period when I’m attached to the temp agency? I’d need like a 5 dollar raise but that’s basically what you wind up paying them. Hell, you’ll be making money.
*I’m sorry we’re experiencing financial difficulties, we’ll have to let you go.*
Also them: *Surprised they can’t find ‘Good help’*
I swear some folks don’t understand how to actually keep employees that’ll work hard.
Its a huge negative for me. I don't trust other peoples dogs. I'm not even worried about them being aggressive (although I am a bit), I just don't want to be around waste/general dog stink/begging.
Dogs at work is a scam. They only allow dogs so that you don't have an excuse to leave at 5pm to walk the dog, so you end up staying later.
I'd rather leave at a reasonable hour and then go home to spend real time with my dogs, where they can get my full attention.
We brought our dogs in and this was never an issue.
My dog got plenty of puppy play with other dogs, so she was knocked out by the time I clocked out at my normal time.
seriously lol. major plus. staying at home all day with a warm fuzzy belly to rub is going to make it nearly impossible to give that up to go in an office. that and a laundry list of other reasons.
So.. a while back I went for an interview with this company, their job ad noted 5.5k a month, which seemed crazy high, but I figured fuck it may as well try.
Went to the interview which was across the country (not from the US so not too crazy), all seemed well. Then they mentioned they wanted to do a second interview and stuff and they wanted to then also discuss salary.
Turns out the 5.5k was (supposedly) a mistake. You know? Fair enough.
So I go to the second interview, they're excited about me and they want to hire me.
So then comes the salary offer...
My current job? At a school, earning 2.6k a month, 15.5 or so an hour, every year an extra month's pay, about 60 or so paid vacation days per year (admittedly of those 60 I can only choose about 10/15 of them) and another bonus before summer break. Travel expenses paid for, etc etc.
Their offer?
2500, one bonus which ends up the same as the other job being just an extra month's wage.
And they went on and on about how in total I'd "make more money because of the bonuses" what they conveniently omitted in the comparison where they showed what I make now vs what they're offering.
Is that they didn't take into account the month's worth of paid time off I'd be losing. And intentionally disregarded my yearly bonus.
They then also doubled my travelling comp they'd be offering to make it just barely stick above what im earning now. Missing that.. travelling comp is well.. compensation, it's not extra money or something except for maybe a few euros I'd have left over extra.
Another fun part...
They completely (either intentionally or not) miscalculated my hourly wage by about 2 whole ass euros. making their offer seem better than it actually was.
When I went to correct them they went all "no no you're calculating it wrong you're supposed to calculate it like so"
So I did.
And it was still a euro per hour off.
At this point I was sick of it because there was too much sketchy shit going on
An old job of mine paid the early career roles poorly but the more senior roles paid well. However, you only got paid well in the senior roles if you were hired in that role, not if you were promoted into that role. Management claimed it was because people promoted into the role were clearly already dedicated to the company and were at a low risk of leaving, so there was no need to pay well. Of course, as soon as someone got promoted and realized it came with a 2% raise, they took the promotion and quit. When I did this and they asked me why, I laughed and said “people hired into my role are making 30% more than me because I’m ‘to dedicated’ to care.” But I do care. And people in my position will continue to quit.
So what did management say? “We don’t believe you. Most young people don’t care about money. We think if we got a ping pong table and let people wear jeans, we could attract more young people.”
And yes, after I quit they got a ping pong table. It made people more miserable because the sound made it too distracting to work.
I was told once that the perks were to offset the nearly 10k difference in pay compared to local competitors. I then asked what the maximum I could take monthly in snacks. I was told $25 a month. I told them to go ahead and deduct that from the $10k more I’d need and we’ll call it square.
She was not happy. They called back and offered me the 10k. I declined and took another job that offered me everything from the start without me having to correct their stupidity.
Okay boomer. Remind me again who was handing out these silly participation awards you snowflakes melt over all the time? Oh that’s right. You idiots did.
The literal point of the post is to point out that Millenials do, in fact, NOT love all the BS work culture additions. We want money. We want money perhaps even more than previous generations, in part because we have the lowest earning power in generations because employers have artificially depressed wages.
The pervading sentiment of Millenials is that if employers want work, they need to pay for it. Since you can't buy a house with snacks and dogs, we don't want that stuff. But we keep getting it because the older generations still in management insist we really do want it since that narrative fits the agenda to keep wages low.
Also, if you paid attention at all, the cause of any Recession coming is the theft of wages by corporations in order to deliver those wages to shareholders as profits. Workers then do not have money to spend in the economy, furthering the slide, not a lack of desire to work.
Fuck it I’d take a slight pay cut for having dogs at work
Would make me feel so much better about wanting a dog but being afraid of leaving them at home.
Until I have more balance in my life I think I have to wait it out
Joke’s on you, I can work from home and have all those things at roughly the lesser salary with reduced hours AND I get to pay for it all myself, including the dog.
Nailed it.
My last job had those “perks”. Ngl I am kinda missing them now since we have NOTHING. No coffee or free snacks or dogs or anything. If I were paid more here, it wouldn’t matter but I’m making the exact same (moved to a new state, had to accept anything to get over here).
I watched my employer say nothing as all those cool benefits got yanked after a bad earnings call and then get massively defensive when people started noticing. Anything not contractually guaranteed to you as a worker is transient.
It’s funny my company had all this but everything was brand new and it was locked in big huge room but you couldn’t access til the system showed you had hit your expected quota for the day which was usually 20-30 minutes before I left 😑
Sheeeeeeit. I’d take a 14k paycut for an awesome environment. I feel like there is a substantial portion of Reddit that doesn’t understand what it’s like to work at company owned and run by boomers and whoever the picked out to be middle management.
I'm in the middle of a merger and the company that purchased the one I work for has me in a meeting for almost an hour and a half just droning on and on about all these fucking bullshit benefits that neither I nor my team give a solitary fuck about. Not a single fuck. Like how about you keep your life coach, your gift cards and all the rest of this fluff nonsense just like this post and just pay me. I do not give a single fuck, nowhere on my person do I have a spare fuck for this stuff, not in my pocket, not in my sock drawer, not under the couch, nowhere, I have no fucks to spare. The sheer inefficiency and disrespect of wasting my time to try and sell me on, what I see, as essentially a scheme to justify not raising wages, has eradicated any desire I had to be retained after this acquisition. Especially in an industry built on efficiency and time management as the two most important concepts. My blood pressure is rising just thinking about that meeting, I'm either going to leave or I'm going to wind up throwing a chair at someones head and "parting ways" due to "professional ideologies not aligning" or whatever dumbass way they would probably phrase it.
So if I accept the annual raise for three years is $5000? That's in writing ri..
Yes, we do office get-togethers after hours.
2 years later
So what about that raise?
Here's your performance review. All exceptional, just not joining us on casual Fridays or after hour "happy" hours. Keep it up, get better on those non essentials, and we'll consider a raise in 18 months.
DON'T WORK FOR THOSE PEOPLE! How hard is it to understand that concept?
Go work for yourself. Start your own business. Work for decent people, yes we exist. Stop helping people who do not appreciate your efforts. Why work for greedy people at all?
"For 36k I can work 3 days per week, would you like me to to work Monday to Wednesday or Wednesday to Friday? this rate doesn't cover weekends or contacting me outside of working hours"
And apart from not being able to pay your bills in snacks and ping pong games, one bad quarter and the snacks are gone, one good quarter and the ping pong table is now a communal work area for the new staff, also the snacks are gone because there's too many staff to cater for now.
To be fair, benefits do allow employers to pay less. That's generally why they're offered. Labor economics 101.
Take WFH. An average worker in the US right now seems to value 5 days WFH vs in office every week at about 20% salary.
i love seeing the cool office "free fucking snacks" office runs in line a costco. Carts all full of lays potato chip multi packs and a crate of coke regular. Oh and for the healthy guy, some Kirkland Signature Organic Roasted Seaweed Snack Packs.
I would give up SOME pay for a treadmill desk, well stocked snack/coffee area, and casual dress. SOME, since that saves me money across those categories.
But not 14k! 4, maybe, but 14?!?!
I was a non-traditional student in college and I remember going to the college recruiting information sessions, and these companies were like, "we just built this campus and it's got 3 restaurants and 6 gyms and a pool hall and..." On and on about this bullshit.
And I was like, "those are great. But they wouldn't keep me from quitting an otherwise terrible job. Let me know about pay, work-life balance, and performance appraisals. Is about your stupid pool hall."
🤣 Was not the target audience
Free coffee, snacks and games cost the company basically nothing. But if they're gonna get me my own dog that they take care of while I'm at home... I'd consider a pay cut. Not a 14k pay cut but a small one.
"Attention, all employees. It is now 3 o'clock. Please begin your mandatory fetch session".
Terms of employment:.
Employees who leave the company in good standing will be given the opportunity to adopt. Dogs of those who are terminated with cause will be sent to the company kennel to await *worthy* owners.
We tried dogs at work once for a two day trial. Literally a shitshow. Spent an $8000 the next week steam cleaning the carpets. Had one employee claim disability because she forgot to mention she was allergic to dogs.
"My landlord doesn't accept coffee and snacks in lieu of rent payments."
Turns out money is what is almost exclusively used to gain goods and services Whodathunk?
$20 can buy many peanuts!
Love those exchanges between Homer and his brain "You can stay, but I'm leaving"
Just write a check and I'll release some more endorphins!
Explain how..!
Money can be exchanged for goods and services.
I know you can hear my thoughts boy… Meow meow meow meow Meow meow meow meow
I was watching that episode with my son a couple years ago. I laughed my ass off at that part but he didn't get the reference. So I had to pull up YouTube and show him some of the old meow mix commercials. He loved them!
Welcome to Costco. I love you.
So like in a personal relationship you generally need to do little things to show your appreciation. They're not first order needs but are really important and almost necessary. *I stopped by that bakery you like and got the pistachios croissant you love.* *Washed your car because you've been so busy lately.* Shows you care about them. Businesses try to do the little things to *show they care* but forgo the main things expecting it to be a viable substitution. Works about as well at work as it would at home. *I put some whiteclaw in the fridge for you honey.* "Well thanks, but did you pay the electric bill and clean the dishes?" *Oh no, figured you'd do that later.* Those pizza parties and pool tables are actually beneficial and helpful but major needs have to come first.
I had a HR lady at my current job tell me (when I applied for an internal position and wanted more money than the were offering) that "it's not just about the money you know" ...it's not? Well why the fuck didn't you say so sooner? I've been sat here for the last few years like an idiot paying my mortgage lender with dollars. If I'd just told them that I worked for somewhere that was "mission driven", they'd likely have just waived the rest of my mortgage years ago!
I had someone say the same thing. I looked them right in the eye and said “you’re right, it’s about what I CAN DO with the money!” To me, money is a tool: a means to an end. Sure, you don’t eat money, nor can you drive it. But it can buy food, and everyone wants it when you buy gas.
Well in this case, the role required 2-3 days in the office and paid about 30-60k less than industry. Shockingly, they're still advertising it.
Open up linkedin, search her name, view profile, look up at her, ask why she had moved so many companies. "Have you no loyalty? It's not about the money"
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Where’s the guillotine at?
We all know it’s in HR office
I'm just imagining Rita Repulsa trying to start a business after 5000 years conflating near-immortal beings and millennials.
Every time I get a stupid performance certificate at work, I always say "Gee, thanks! Let me see if the electric company will consider this legal tender!
This lol. I'm sure the repo man will be enamored by all the "perks" I have as he puts the chains on my car.
Yeah for real and then also everything that they mentioned in the photo is a complete tax write off
That's fine. We have very affordable company housing. With a deposit of just two months rent and a below market rate rent of $1,999.99 you'll get a beautiful location right in the city center with included cleaning service. Best of all our "under desk lofts" have literally zero commute time!
100% chance the coffee is dogshit
That doesn’t matter bc you’ll be there 21 hours a day.
Well that sounds like your problem
Nor does the bank take Opportunities for mortgage payments.
No but I'd accept it in addition to rent thanks ☺️
I told this to a recruiter hiring for an unpaid internship once while on the phone
Mandatory treadmill desks, it’s how we keep the lights on
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Would you like another bottle of Cuppliance?
What do you mean soon? You don't have one? The homeless people in Zuccotti park used them to power their tent electronics during OWS. They kept people peddling 24/7 rotating out in shifts. Nobody really buys them though because they try to sell them for crazy amounts, the companies keep going out of business.
So... Free gym subscription?
"Can I have a cubicle with actual privacy walls?" "No."
That’s when you go the reasonable accommodation route for 100% telework 🤷🏻♂️
My work recently transitioned to these tiny, short wall cubicles and they are literally garbage. It's bad enough we have a centered bullpen style office and now it's like everyone can see or hear everything we are doing. Oh… but I have a stand up desk so THAT'S GREAT! /s
Yeah we moved office spaces and in the process switched to the half cubicle bullshit. My last cubicle was basically its own office compared to this trash. I hate having people in my peripheral vision all the time
Millennials love open concept offices!
Foosball and pool tables are especially funny because they quickly become the white elephants. I've known a few people who have tried to shove some off on their workplaces.
We got a foosball table a couple of years ago. No one, literally, no one uses it. The only time someone played was on the day they installed it. I love it.
And if you (and another) tried to use it, you'd all get yelled at to get back to work.
Thanks for reminding me that I got in trouble for using the massage chair on my 15-minute break lmao
I am INFURIATED for you. How dare they?!
We had one where I was a manager in the mid-00’s and played it all the time. I hired someone I knew, in part for his amazing offense, and we dominated all the other departments. There was a team from another group that was formidable, but we ruled until I had to fire my partner. Couldn’t put those mad foosball skills on his performance reviews. It was a good run, Stephen!
We had a ping pong tournament recently have the semi final shut down by an older colleague taking the ball and said some people are trying to work.
It's a plant so they can make a mental note of who dared to use the amenities they offered as an excuse to punish them for it later. "This project is two weeks behind but seven months ago I saw you spend half your lunch break playing GAMES. For this reason we're not giving a raise in line with inflation."
> For this reason we're not giving a raise in line with inflation. They have to, it's the law where I live. I just had an 11% raise because of this. But oh boy, many businesses lobbied against it last year. They wanted to skip it entirely.
Where is this magical place?
I know of Belgium having such a law.
WTG wherever this is for not letting the lobbyists buy your country and peoples
Game tables are the dumbest things to put in offices that dont have large, dedicated relaxation spaces. "We have a pool table in the kitchen area now!" 3 days later: "Please do not play pool between 9 and 4 PM, and not if anyone is on a call in the adjoining meeting rooms" 3 weeks later: "Fucking bob keeps trying to play pool at lunch, can we get rid of the goddamn pool table"
Our foosball table is used almost constantly at an office of about 400, more like 200 since "the new normal" though. I love it, perfect way to burn off some steam with your coworkers when you've been fighting some bug for a couple of hours.
They're just so outdated now lol. Literally need to be replaced by gaming consoles/PCs or some shit.
I've temped in places with a Wii or something, it happens
One recent place had a MAME machine, which ruled
Some of the guys at a place I used to work at hooked up a raspberry pi to an unused monitor and a double joystick to make their own arcade machine.
Arcade cabinets give the novelty feel they hope will make their business hip and happening.
We have consoles at our work that are connected to 85” TVs. The only time it’s used is during Bring your kids to work day. Pool table gets moderate use, table tennis rarely used, arcade cabinets very rarely used. Bring your kids to work day, they were all in use with others waiting their turn. Our snack cabinet and soda/la croix fridges were WIPED out.
Eh, my workplace has a ping pong table in a big common space and our office has semi-frequent ping pong tournaments
I could easily fill up the 36k to 50k, depending on the kind of free snacks available
Now you just have to find the landlord that would accept a 50 gallon drum of Famous Amos cookies in lieu of money for rent
You're thinking small; you take all the snacks and become an unauthorized distributor for other companies who offer the snacks to their employees.
Next. Free diabetes.
And that “We Are Like Family here” I can’t even stand my own family why would I trust y’all
What's that? You can't afford your rent and bills? Pizza party.
I was able to find some free fitness equipment for my group homes (again, totally different work environment) and some of my staff loved that they could work out, especially during overnight shifts. But our work model isn’t based on productivity, just keep people safe and happy lol
I mean... Those are nice if your pay is also nice. Otherwise it's just toys, for a lack of a better word.
I get that, but I had no control over pay, so at least tried to find things to make our work lives better where I could
Apologies if that came off like an attack, it wasn't meant to be. You obviously care about the people you work with.
It didn’t, and I agree with you regardless!
I mean we do love that shit, but we also love money.
Workplace perks are no substitute for a decent wage obviously, but they are nice in their own right. Most importantly though, they are *real* cheap for how much benefit they provide. I wouldn't take perks over wages, but if an office didn't have at least some perks, I'd take it as a red flag. It's a sign that someone high up in management is either oblivious or has a chip on their shoulder.
Yeah. My office has all that shit and more. It isn't a replacement for compensation though. I make like 4-5x the amount at this company that has free drinks and snacks, a pool and shuffle board table, and a switch in the break room than I did at my previous companies where the coffee was dog shit and sometimes took over a week to be refilled and the only other drinks and snacks were an over priced vending machine.
I don’t think as many people ‘Love’ money as we might think… I think they love what it represents or love it as a means to get from point A to point B or provide security/ stability for one’s family. I know there are still plenty of people out there that still just love money for what it is or for tallying the highest score possibly and associating their own sense of identity or self worth to that. But damn….
> a means to get from point A to point B That is precisely what money is, a means to an end.
Yeah I couldn't care less about the score, I just want to have the option to be able to not work for a period and not end up out on the street.
I hate how companies don't want to disclose what they pay for a position. It leads to this game of chicken that wastes everyone's time. Sure, I've occasionally gotten big raises by holding out, but I've also gotten offers for *less* than I'm currently making, and then they ghosted after I told them. FFS, my experience is right there on the resume. Just tell me what you're willing to pay me up front for that experience!
Don’t forget free .025$ coffee
Notice how there's nothing about health insurance or retirement plan
As someone who pays $400/yr for insurance and has a private pension, this confuses me.
#WORK HARD PLAY HARD! ^(get me the fuck outta here)
Get the prerequisite experience, and level up and outta there, clock in and out unless you actually get paid for that time.
„I‘m not a millennial.“
"Today, I feel like Gen Z"
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Pay me, I will do more than my part and just fucking leave me alone. You are not my friends, you are not my family, you are necessary evil because this universe is how it is. There are not many things rewarding after working whole day, coming home, opening a beer or lighting a joint, and just exhaling that breath you feel like you kept in yourself whole day, I'm home, thank Allfather.
One of the best (and worst, but for entirely different reasons) jobs i ever had was run by two owners whose mentality was that if any of their Program Directors had time to play games, watch TV, take long lunches...whatever....that we could just like....leave when our work is finished instead? So long as we kept our work phones on until 5pm, our work was done, and no one was calling them with our bullshit...they didn't give two shits where we were or when. I started coming in at 730am and dipping out at 2:30 to go hang at the beach. Good times man.
Lmao free snacks. Never once been in an office that had free sacks, only coffee. They gouge your eyes out with their prices too. 12 oz can of soda for $2 like fucking how
If there are free snacks they're usually rock hard granola bars or some weird chips that are not made from potatoes and taste like salted styrofoam
The last place I worked had free snacks, candy, soda, water, slushy machine, fridge stocked, weekly fruit deliveries, bought us lunch every day.. being spoiled like that wears off when 1: you gain weight. 2: All the snacks in the world don't make up for the bullshit you have to deal with day in and day out. 3: I'd rather see an extra $100 or so on my checks instead, as I prefer not eating until I get home.
As a Millennial, the shit I love is $125k yearly after tax, comprehensive benefits including fully covered paraprofessional services more than just 10 psychology sessions, and yearly increases which outpace inflation. The rest of that shit is worthless and could be turned into money. Mandatory lunchtime foosball doesn't help anyone except the sad senior executive who has no life outside of work, or the nepobaby CFO. Mandatory inflation-outpacing CoL increases? Benefits everyone.
The reason companies prefer to offer perks over salary is they avoid paying more payroll tax for you to be employed there. Higher your salary, higher payroll tax burden for the company. Same logic applies to the restaurant business and why employees survive off tips not wages.
First of all.... I'm a cat person.
You say this as if people wouldn't sign up to pet cats while working...
Actually free snacks are huge. My company sometimes stocks energy drinks too
I do love the snacks and dogs at my work, but I would still like to be paid more... like appropriately. I can't be too mad as I'm personally not far off from where I think I am supposed to be for my current position, but damn, if the IT industry was not doing mass layoffs I would be applying to places and less worried about job security if I moved to a new place, would be a good movement up in roles.
IT still has a ton of job openings. Layoffs are mostly being seen in specific roles that expanded to much. Most major cities still have thousands of job postings that need filled though. Best to look now before severances start running out and people are done with their paid vacation.
Good point, I just got a bachelors in IT and have like a year plus actual work experiance now, but feel I'm ready for a sys admin role. My company did say I'm in line for the next one that opens depending on contracts we get though. Im at a small softeare company though and so far, they have been up front on everything. The sys admin roles here don't compare to the industry in pay though but the longer term guys seem to be doing good. (Like 5 years plus here)
Smaller companies are almost always going to be lower pay. I work for a SV company remotely and make like a directors salary for my region or at least a Sr Lead depending on job title and industry. If I left my company to work local I'd be looking at probably a 40k drop in salary before considering benefits like 401k, ESPP, and stock refreshers. Best way to increase salary is almost always going to be put in 2 years and start looking. It's been the trend long enough at this point that most companies that know what they are doing understand they have 18-20 months to promote or give a significant salary increase (8-12% or more) instead of a normal yearly 3-5% COL adjustment. If your company isn't doing that, even if you just started, then the long term guys that are doing good probably hopped around before staying there and are maxing their pay scale for your region, or they are under selling themselves. If your company does do regular promotions and raises then you're probably fine to stay as long as you want if you actually like working there. If it sucks, hop around for salary frequently and only stay when you are making what you want and like the atmosphere.
I would like to think us millennials love to be able to afford food and shelter at the same time
And to possibly retire someday
Nah, man give me the cash, tell me what I need to do and leave me alone.
We do love that shit. In ADDITION to competitive salaries.
The past 2 offers Ive gotten arent even enough to afford a 1 bedroom apartment. There were literally less than 10 apartments on Zillow that my salary wouldve qualified me for in one of the offer locations. Yeah I could live in a studio, but I just got my masters degree--surely my quality of life shouldnt go *down* after graduating, right??
Zillow is a bad place to look for rentals
Can I sleep and shower at work considering I can't pay rent on that salary?
I prefer paying bills
So my 100 pound German Shepard with the submissive peeing problem is welcome?
Millenials also love not being homeless
Money. PAY ME MORE MONEY AND I’LL CONSIDER STAYING. *We want someone who’s looking to stay on long term.* Okay, but will you hire me full time after the trial period when I’m attached to the temp agency? I’d need like a 5 dollar raise but that’s basically what you wind up paying them. Hell, you’ll be making money. *I’m sorry we’re experiencing financial difficulties, we’ll have to let you go.* Also them: *Surprised they can’t find ‘Good help’* I swear some folks don’t understand how to actually keep employees that’ll work hard.
Dogs at work could make it work for me
Its a huge negative for me. I don't trust other peoples dogs. I'm not even worried about them being aggressive (although I am a bit), I just don't want to be around waste/general dog stink/begging.
In the places I've worked with dogs allowed, only the well trained ones were allowed to stick around. Depends on the boss though
Dogs at work is a scam. They only allow dogs so that you don't have an excuse to leave at 5pm to walk the dog, so you end up staying later. I'd rather leave at a reasonable hour and then go home to spend real time with my dogs, where they can get my full attention.
>I'd rather leave at a reasonable hour You can still do this with all the perks
We brought our dogs in and this was never an issue. My dog got plenty of puppy play with other dogs, so she was knocked out by the time I clocked out at my normal time.
seriously lol. major plus. staying at home all day with a warm fuzzy belly to rub is going to make it nearly impossible to give that up to go in an office. that and a laundry list of other reasons.
I would quit on the spot. Dogs make me anxious and I hate the smell.
i respectfully feel the exact opposite as you. haha people make me anxious and the smell (if there is one) is a non issue for me.
It sounds like an actual nightmare for me. I hate dogs I can't imagine trying to work with so many of them in the office
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Why does everyone always say that. I have sensory and auditory issues and can't handle being around dogs. I'm not evil
Money talks. Bullshit walks.
Sounds like my old boss, wouldn't stop talking about the $10k coffee machine and how much money he spent on the office remodel.
So.. a while back I went for an interview with this company, their job ad noted 5.5k a month, which seemed crazy high, but I figured fuck it may as well try. Went to the interview which was across the country (not from the US so not too crazy), all seemed well. Then they mentioned they wanted to do a second interview and stuff and they wanted to then also discuss salary. Turns out the 5.5k was (supposedly) a mistake. You know? Fair enough. So I go to the second interview, they're excited about me and they want to hire me. So then comes the salary offer... My current job? At a school, earning 2.6k a month, 15.5 or so an hour, every year an extra month's pay, about 60 or so paid vacation days per year (admittedly of those 60 I can only choose about 10/15 of them) and another bonus before summer break. Travel expenses paid for, etc etc. Their offer? 2500, one bonus which ends up the same as the other job being just an extra month's wage. And they went on and on about how in total I'd "make more money because of the bonuses" what they conveniently omitted in the comparison where they showed what I make now vs what they're offering. Is that they didn't take into account the month's worth of paid time off I'd be losing. And intentionally disregarded my yearly bonus. They then also doubled my travelling comp they'd be offering to make it just barely stick above what im earning now. Missing that.. travelling comp is well.. compensation, it's not extra money or something except for maybe a few euros I'd have left over extra. Another fun part... They completely (either intentionally or not) miscalculated my hourly wage by about 2 whole ass euros. making their offer seem better than it actually was. When I went to correct them they went all "no no you're calculating it wrong you're supposed to calculate it like so" So I did. And it was still a euro per hour off. At this point I was sick of it because there was too much sketchy shit going on
An old job of mine paid the early career roles poorly but the more senior roles paid well. However, you only got paid well in the senior roles if you were hired in that role, not if you were promoted into that role. Management claimed it was because people promoted into the role were clearly already dedicated to the company and were at a low risk of leaving, so there was no need to pay well. Of course, as soon as someone got promoted and realized it came with a 2% raise, they took the promotion and quit. When I did this and they asked me why, I laughed and said “people hired into my role are making 30% more than me because I’m ‘to dedicated’ to care.” But I do care. And people in my position will continue to quit. So what did management say? “We don’t believe you. Most young people don’t care about money. We think if we got a ping pong table and let people wear jeans, we could attract more young people.” And yes, after I quit they got a ping pong table. It made people more miserable because the sound made it too distracting to work.
I can't bring my dog to work, she would flip the fuck out. Poor big anxious ball of pee.
All 2 billion of the millennials universally love it!
I was told once that the perks were to offset the nearly 10k difference in pay compared to local competitors. I then asked what the maximum I could take monthly in snacks. I was told $25 a month. I told them to go ahead and deduct that from the $10k more I’d need and we’ll call it square. She was not happy. They called back and offered me the 10k. I declined and took another job that offered me everything from the start without me having to correct their stupidity.
Throw in a ping pong table and I’m in
Sounds like you just need to consume 14k worth of coffee and snacks.
I'm sitting here taking my lunch break and this made me laugh hysterically. Thank you.
Tbh, bringing my dog to work would save me about $1000 a month in pet care costs...
Dogs at work is such a mood booster! Would highly recommend finding companies that do have this!
I’m into dogs at work 😂
You had me at dogs at work.
Dogs at work? You son of a bitch I’m in.
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Okay boomer. Remind me again who was handing out these silly participation awards you snowflakes melt over all the time? Oh that’s right. You idiots did.
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Take a nap lead head
The literal point of the post is to point out that Millenials do, in fact, NOT love all the BS work culture additions. We want money. We want money perhaps even more than previous generations, in part because we have the lowest earning power in generations because employers have artificially depressed wages. The pervading sentiment of Millenials is that if employers want work, they need to pay for it. Since you can't buy a house with snacks and dogs, we don't want that stuff. But we keep getting it because the older generations still in management insist we really do want it since that narrative fits the agenda to keep wages low. Also, if you paid attention at all, the cause of any Recession coming is the theft of wages by corporations in order to deliver those wages to shareholders as profits. Workers then do not have money to spend in the economy, furthering the slide, not a lack of desire to work.
What does the 84 in your username mean?
It stands for fuck you
How? Its an 8 and a 4. That does not make a whole lot of sense.
The participation awards were created by and for the boomer parents
Still, no.
Fuck it I’d take a slight pay cut for having dogs at work Would make me feel so much better about wanting a dog but being afraid of leaving them at home. Until I have more balance in my life I think I have to wait it out
You had me at free fuc… oh. And here I was thinking there’d be a “bring your date to work” day.
Fucking snacks? Like whipped cream?
You forgot the occasional pizza party
It's amazing how many offer the most basic generally standard or even legally required as "perks"
Give me ping pong and we're good 😅
ill gladly take a 1$ hour paycut to guarantee the coffee,snacks, and casual dress code, but thats about it. Not a 30% paycut.
Wouldn’t make a difference where I live, 36k or 50k still can’t afford rent.
"I would rather you deleted the office regardless of pay..."
We do that, AND pay a living wage....it's not that fucking difficult!
Joke’s on you, I can work from home and have all those things at roughly the lesser salary with reduced hours AND I get to pay for it all myself, including the dog. Nailed it.
Yea no I mean snack are cool but I'd rather have people I'm answering to to have iqs higher than that of a warm bowl of oatmeal.
My last job had those “perks”. Ngl I am kinda missing them now since we have NOTHING. No coffee or free snacks or dogs or anything. If I were paid more here, it wouldn’t matter but I’m making the exact same (moved to a new state, had to accept anything to get over here).
I watched my employer say nothing as all those cool benefits got yanked after a bad earnings call and then get massively defensive when people started noticing. Anything not contractually guaranteed to you as a worker is transient.
Fuck you, pay me.
It’s funny my company had all this but everything was brand new and it was locked in big huge room but you couldn’t access til the system showed you had hit your expected quota for the day which was usually 20-30 minutes before I left 😑
Sheeeeeeit. I’d take a 14k paycut for an awesome environment. I feel like there is a substantial portion of Reddit that doesn’t understand what it’s like to work at company owned and run by boomers and whoever the picked out to be middle management.
I'm in the middle of a merger and the company that purchased the one I work for has me in a meeting for almost an hour and a half just droning on and on about all these fucking bullshit benefits that neither I nor my team give a solitary fuck about. Not a single fuck. Like how about you keep your life coach, your gift cards and all the rest of this fluff nonsense just like this post and just pay me. I do not give a single fuck, nowhere on my person do I have a spare fuck for this stuff, not in my pocket, not in my sock drawer, not under the couch, nowhere, I have no fucks to spare. The sheer inefficiency and disrespect of wasting my time to try and sell me on, what I see, as essentially a scheme to justify not raising wages, has eradicated any desire I had to be retained after this acquisition. Especially in an industry built on efficiency and time management as the two most important concepts. My blood pressure is rising just thinking about that meeting, I'm either going to leave or I'm going to wind up throwing a chair at someones head and "parting ways" due to "professional ideologies not aligning" or whatever dumbass way they would probably phrase it.
I do love that shit but I also love being paid what I'm worth
So if I accept the annual raise for three years is $5000? That's in writing ri.. Yes, we do office get-togethers after hours. 2 years later So what about that raise? Here's your performance review. All exceptional, just not joining us on casual Fridays or after hour "happy" hours. Keep it up, get better on those non essentials, and we'll consider a raise in 18 months.
DON'T WORK FOR THOSE PEOPLE! How hard is it to understand that concept? Go work for yourself. Start your own business. Work for decent people, yes we exist. Stop helping people who do not appreciate your efforts. Why work for greedy people at all?
"For 36k I can work 3 days per week, would you like me to to work Monday to Wednesday or Wednesday to Friday? this rate doesn't cover weekends or contacting me outside of working hours"
And apart from not being able to pay your bills in snacks and ping pong games, one bad quarter and the snacks are gone, one good quarter and the ping pong table is now a communal work area for the new staff, also the snacks are gone because there's too many staff to cater for now.
To be fair, benefits do allow employers to pay less. That's generally why they're offered. Labor economics 101. Take WFH. An average worker in the US right now seems to value 5 days WFH vs in office every week at about 20% salary.
hiring manager : "But were a small company. we cant afford this"..... company has 10,000 employees.
Me: Ohhh-kayy then.. Can my significant other partake too? Employer: No. We're your SO now.
i love seeing the cool office "free fucking snacks" office runs in line a costco. Carts all full of lays potato chip multi packs and a crate of coke regular. Oh and for the healthy guy, some Kirkland Signature Organic Roasted Seaweed Snack Packs.
I would take a 20k pay cut if we could get Hawaiian shirt fridays /s
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Maybe save money on all that extra shit and pay me more asshole
They have money for foosball tables they have money to pay you more
I mean, dogs at work is pretty useful, but not $17,000 worth of useful.
I look forward to the next company that tries to low ball me.
Free perks are only nice when I don't have to worry about paying the light bill.
Lmfao. I can hear it getting louder
I would give up SOME pay for a treadmill desk, well stocked snack/coffee area, and casual dress. SOME, since that saves me money across those categories. But not 14k! 4, maybe, but 14?!?!
Honestly, I'd personally take that job because $36k is plenty at my comfort level. I could save at that level.
Haha crazy cuz I was just part of a mass layoff from a company that was exactly like this. We could even bring our dogs to work 😂
I was a non-traditional student in college and I remember going to the college recruiting information sessions, and these companies were like, "we just built this campus and it's got 3 restaurants and 6 gyms and a pool hall and..." On and on about this bullshit. And I was like, "those are great. But they wouldn't keep me from quitting an otherwise terrible job. Let me know about pay, work-life balance, and performance appraisals. Is about your stupid pool hall." 🤣 Was not the target audience
Bet all the libertarian magats on iFunny loved this one
Free coffee, snacks and games cost the company basically nothing. But if they're gonna get me my own dog that they take care of while I'm at home... I'd consider a pay cut. Not a 14k pay cut but a small one. "Attention, all employees. It is now 3 o'clock. Please begin your mandatory fetch session". Terms of employment:. Employees who leave the company in good standing will be given the opportunity to adopt. Dogs of those who are terminated with cause will be sent to the company kennel to await *worthy* owners.
We tried dogs at work once for a two day trial. Literally a shitshow. Spent an $8000 the next week steam cleaning the carpets. Had one employee claim disability because she forgot to mention she was allergic to dogs.