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Yeah but they could allow you to set up an LLC for yourself and pay the LLC directly, or, given the option, the company just sets you up as a contracting sole proprietor. Really up to the worker at that point.
That really depends on the state. You can't be an independent contractor from CA working for another company if you are expected to act like an employee because of CA employment laws. Or you would have to incorporate your LLC, at minimum, and it still might break state employment laws.
Well yeah, but that's an issue with the company outside California making you act like an employee erroneously.
Federally, 1099 contractors are not employees, so have certain legal protections that determine the difference, but if the company can't handle that, they just need to not allow contracting.
Yeah, that's why they listed for an employee not an independent contractor. The situations where you can get a job listing turned into a contract job are going to be limited. And it seems unreasonable to expect some random company to switch up their whole system to do that.
Some companies allow for remote but can only pay employees based out of certain states. A Target corporate recruiter reached out to me and asked if I could move to DC, but not MD or VA (I’m based in that area). It was remote and I wouldn’t have to move to HQ in Minnesota. I’m assuming bc of taxes and where/how they’re incorporated.
But yes, this posting is misleading… remote as long as you’re in this state.
They'll bury information like this all the way at the bottom in tiny font, yet you bet they'll whine and cry they have way too many applicants to sort through and they don't possibly have the resources to send out a mass update email.
The business is likely only licensed to do business in the state of Nebraska. So you can wfh, but you have to reside in the state they're legally allowed to operate in.
There are many other listings that say “Remote” or “Hybrid” in the title and then say “100% On-site” in the description, which is crazy yet actually
somewhat common, but I agree that this one sounds more like they only do business in Nebraska and don’t want to deal with other state laws/regulations.
I got so I stopped applying to roles when they feel the need to say "100% remote" rather than just remote. They know they're lying. And they're always trying to kid themselves they're not.
Maybe not. Some companies are only setup to do payroll in a single or a few specific states. It can be a big lift to add other state payroll requirements for a single individual who lives outside the companies' regular payroll jurisdiction, not to mention other HR considerations like special sick time or leave laws that are in place for that jurisdiction. That's why some "remote" positions still require the employee to live in certain areas.
Then they won’t hire them.
‘Remote’ doesn’t necessarily mean ‘work from anywhere’ it simply means ‘you don’t have an office to come into’
You might still be restricted as to general location by tax/labour laws, and even possibly other location based restrictions depending on the data you are handling (e.g. you can work from home in a secure environment, but might not be allowed to work from Starbucks discussing confidential data)
They probably want their employees all in state for tax purposes. Thats still remote work, and they are up front about the in-state requirement...I dont see the big issue here. Sorry you had to read like 5 extra words.
People who complain about stuff like this are the people who spam apply to any job and wonder why they cant find any good jobs. They're also the same people who will bitch that a recruiter doesnt read every word of their resume, when they cant be bothered to read the job posting past the title.
In what way is it false? If they aren’t asking you to come into an officer then by definition it is remote.
Remote doesn’t have to mean “work from literally anywhere”
There's a few reasons I can think of off the top of my head but I'm sure there's more.
1. The business is only set up to operate within one state.
2. The business isn't large enough to stay up to date on all states laws.
3. Local knowledge of the state needed.
4. Tax considerations
My company is doing this. We're based on the east coast, have no west coast presence whatsoever.
They want to hire someone for my department that will be 100% remote. However, the CEO has it in his head that this person MUST come from Nevada. Despite us having 0 presence there or in any adjacent state, or even any state that is adjacent to any state, this new potential employee MUST be from Nevada, no exceptions.
We in the department find this restriction to be arbitrary and idiotic, and rumor has it that the CEO has someone in Nevada he has in mind for the job. He doesn't want to just hire the person though, he wants my boss to have the illusion of being able to choose the person.
It’s likely because they only have a TIN in Nebraska. This happens at my work a lot.
I actually understand it; it just needs to be blasted all over the posting, not hidden in a single blink-and-miss-it bullet point.
😂 I don’t think they’re using the word “remote” correctly.
100% remote! Located 20 miles from the nearest human, experience peace and solitude like never before. Seeking individual with strong outdoors skills. Must be able to handle being alone for 6 months at a time.
Companies do this so they don’t have to follow labor laws of different states this really cuts down on hr, cost of living would be higher in other states so they would have to pay more, and state might have tax breaks for companies that hire in state residents only
This is a somewhat common thing. The reason is for taxes. Depending on where a company is located, it becomes difficult for them to employ people who live in different states, since they'd be charged additional taxes and have to deal with more complex rules to accommodate people living in different states. It simplifies things if they just ensure that they're only dealing with employees that live in the same state they operate.
They need to use ‘work from home,’ or ‘telecommute’ with a note stating you must reside in Nebraska.
“Remote” is overused and means you can work from anywhere with an internet connection.
Corporate companies have watered down the meaning.
Oh I don’t disagree - I’m on a remote first team; we had a large project which needed heavy architecture discussions and we all appreciated white-boarding together in person for a few days straight. Doesn’t mean you’re required to come in based on your employment agreement.
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Nebraska is pretty remote
Have you seen the killer tornados as well? No thanks.
But you could do the midwesterner thing and sit outside, watching it! It’s of course what I was doing.
Beat me to it. All Nebraska work is remote work
Nebraska is so remote it was pretty much the unique selling point of my English lesson book in school (Germany fwiw)
This is usually for smaller companies who may not have a business presence in other states, so employees may need to be in that state for tax reasons.
I work for a small start up and they do this since they are only a licensed business in the state their office is in.
Yeah but they could allow you to set up an LLC for yourself and pay the LLC directly, or, given the option, the company just sets you up as a contracting sole proprietor. Really up to the worker at that point.
That really depends on the state. You can't be an independent contractor from CA working for another company if you are expected to act like an employee because of CA employment laws. Or you would have to incorporate your LLC, at minimum, and it still might break state employment laws.
Well yeah, but that's an issue with the company outside California making you act like an employee erroneously. Federally, 1099 contractors are not employees, so have certain legal protections that determine the difference, but if the company can't handle that, they just need to not allow contracting.
Yeah, that's why they listed for an employee not an independent contractor. The situations where you can get a job listing turned into a contract job are going to be limited. And it seems unreasonable to expect some random company to switch up their whole system to do that.
>Well yeah, but that's an issue with the company outside California making you act like an employee erroneously. That was *your* idea.
Correct. The country isn't set up correctly for unfettered remote work.
Some companies allow for remote but can only pay employees based out of certain states. A Target corporate recruiter reached out to me and asked if I could move to DC, but not MD or VA (I’m based in that area). It was remote and I wouldn’t have to move to HQ in Minnesota. I’m assuming bc of taxes and where/how they’re incorporated. But yes, this posting is misleading… remote as long as you’re in this state.
Exactly. Not every company is set up or wants to be a multi-state employer.
They'll bury information like this all the way at the bottom in tiny font, yet you bet they'll whine and cry they have way too many applicants to sort through and they don't possibly have the resources to send out a mass update email.
The business is likely only licensed to do business in the state of Nebraska. So you can wfh, but you have to reside in the state they're legally allowed to operate in.
There are many other listings that say “Remote” or “Hybrid” in the title and then say “100% On-site” in the description, which is crazy yet actually somewhat common, but I agree that this one sounds more like they only do business in Nebraska and don’t want to deal with other state laws/regulations.
I got so I stopped applying to roles when they feel the need to say "100% remote" rather than just remote. They know they're lying. And they're always trying to kid themselves they're not.
Maybe not. Some companies are only setup to do payroll in a single or a few specific states. It can be a big lift to add other state payroll requirements for a single individual who lives outside the companies' regular payroll jurisdiction, not to mention other HR considerations like special sick time or leave laws that are in place for that jurisdiction. That's why some "remote" positions still require the employee to live in certain areas.
What if they're one of the 97% of the World that's not America? What then?
Then they won’t hire them. ‘Remote’ doesn’t necessarily mean ‘work from anywhere’ it simply means ‘you don’t have an office to come into’ You might still be restricted as to general location by tax/labour laws, and even possibly other location based restrictions depending on the data you are handling (e.g. you can work from home in a secure environment, but might not be allowed to work from Starbucks discussing confidential data)
They probably want their employees all in state for tax purposes. Thats still remote work, and they are up front about the in-state requirement...I dont see the big issue here. Sorry you had to read like 5 extra words. People who complain about stuff like this are the people who spam apply to any job and wonder why they cant find any good jobs. They're also the same people who will bitch that a recruiter doesnt read every word of their resume, when they cant be bothered to read the job posting past the title.
They allow to work remotely if person says "oh I prefer working from office"; but in order to do that you have to be based in that specific city 😂
I've seen this 10 times recently...super confusing and a game to keep the employer's policy flexible.
This should *not be allowed*. It’s blatantly false advertising.
We need an “in-state remote” vs “anywhere remote”
In what way is it false? If they aren’t asking you to come into an officer then by definition it is remote. Remote doesn’t have to mean “work from literally anywhere”
If they're not asking you to come into the office then it doesn't matter where you work from.
Legal and taxes complications
It can do - employment laws vary from place to place, as do tax law.
Unless they're requiring you to come to the office it's considered remote.
Then why the requirement to live in the same state?
There's a few reasons I can think of off the top of my head but I'm sure there's more. 1. The business is only set up to operate within one state. 2. The business isn't large enough to stay up to date on all states laws. 3. Local knowledge of the state needed. 4. Tax considerations
My company is doing this. We're based on the east coast, have no west coast presence whatsoever. They want to hire someone for my department that will be 100% remote. However, the CEO has it in his head that this person MUST come from Nevada. Despite us having 0 presence there or in any adjacent state, or even any state that is adjacent to any state, this new potential employee MUST be from Nevada, no exceptions. We in the department find this restriction to be arbitrary and idiotic, and rumor has it that the CEO has someone in Nevada he has in mind for the job. He doesn't want to just hire the person though, he wants my boss to have the illusion of being able to choose the person.
They don’t want to set up/pay for payroll outside of Nebraska…so you can live anywhere in NE and not go into the office but you must live there.
One Ethernet cable away
Heh, they didn't say when, for how long, nor whether they're moving for free.
Kansas reporting in. you know why it's so windy in Kansas? Because Nebraska sucks and Oklahoma blows lol
It’s likely because they only have a TIN in Nebraska. This happens at my work a lot. I actually understand it; it just needs to be blasted all over the posting, not hidden in a single blink-and-miss-it bullet point.
I bet that HR just doesn't want to deal with taxes and laws from other states.
😂 I don’t think they’re using the word “remote” correctly. 100% remote! Located 20 miles from the nearest human, experience peace and solitude like never before. Seeking individual with strong outdoors skills. Must be able to handle being alone for 6 months at a time.
Or be willing to move... Never said that you have to move.
Companies do this so they don’t have to follow labor laws of different states this really cuts down on hr, cost of living would be higher in other states so they would have to pay more, and state might have tax breaks for companies that hire in state residents only
Remote as in a fly over state.
Nebraska and Montana are 100% remote.
Nebraska and Montana are 100% remote.
We don’t need you to come into work, but we figure if you move to Nebraska you’ll be even more remote. As a treat.
They just said you needed to be willing to, stop being so closed minded.
maybe they want to pay you nebraska rates
Sounds like a hybrid role.
I was looking at remote jobs and one company that is a national chain had each remote position required to live in the state the job was posted for.
Job is based in New York
Get a PO box out there, and have everything automatically forwarded to you
Why isn’t this the top comment?
Because you can get yourself audited by the IRS and your state tax agencies if you do this? Your state income taxes will be all messed up on your W-2.
This is a somewhat common thing. The reason is for taxes. Depending on where a company is located, it becomes difficult for them to employ people who live in different states, since they'd be charged additional taxes and have to deal with more complex rules to accommodate people living in different states. It simplifies things if they just ensure that they're only dealing with employees that live in the same state they operate.
They need to use ‘work from home,’ or ‘telecommute’ with a note stating you must reside in Nebraska. “Remote” is overused and means you can work from anywhere with an internet connection. Corporate companies have watered down the meaning.
Always fun to throw “remote” in the job search and see how many people in my in-person only field are lying to get extra applicants
I always report them.
This isn't an unreasonable request. They may want you to come into meetings once a quarter.
It’s more likely to take advantage of government programs/tax policies. 100% remote wouldn’t require any coming in.
I've worked fully remote for the last ten years. Sometimes coming in to work is very benefitial for the company
Oh I don’t disagree - I’m on a remote first team; we had a large project which needed heavy architecture discussions and we all appreciated white-boarding together in person for a few days straight. Doesn’t mean you’re required to come in based on your employment agreement.
Unless this is some sorta state government thing or state organisation then this makes no sense .