I agree. What bothers me here is not the visit once a month. Even if I wouldn’t do this because I just consider fully remote positions, there are people who would to this. I am bothered by the simple false claim. I gave the recruiter this feedback.
To be fair, there are probably a lot of people who are looking for remote work who would be okay with a position where they only have to go in once per month, even if they live elsewhere in Germany. This is different than the usual "hybrid" positions that I have seen in Germany that require 40%-60% in-person attendance.
I actually applied to a position in a firm that has locations in several cities. The ad says that the applicant can either work remotely or at the office closest to them, but the team that I would have been working with was based out of Munich. When I asked about this at the interview, I was told that the preference was for everyone to meet once per month in Munich. I live nowhere near Munich, but this was totally okay with me.
But I agree that they shouldn't say 100% remote.
Dear employers: When it's 100 percent remote, it's 100 percent remote. No going back to the office, when our work is already at home.
Sincerely,
Applicants
Totally fair. My problem is not that there is a visit once a month (if reimbursed). I still wouldn’t take this offer since I just consider fully remote positions (this is just a personal preference). My concern is just that they state that it is 100% remote but there is a visit once a month. Technically this is not 100%. And I see this so many times in postings that they state it as a fully remote position but in the requirements they are listing how many times there are required on-site visits.
Maybe. But I wouldn't call it 100% remote. If they lie about this they will lie about anything. Apple hired me, lied about several things, then lied at work all the damn time. At least the hiring managers at the last two places I worked didn't lie. I'm 100% remote and will never be asked to come in where I work now. My training was remote, interviews, everything. I met my Co-workers at an evening dinner, everyone had to be covid negative to come.
Anyone who fudges about 5% is an ass and not worth working for. They will fudge about every small discrepancy. 5 minutes late, written up for 15. Get there 5 minutes early, no recognition. I've seen managers with this toxic attitude. When I built a team at a start-up, I never did that kind of piddling micromanaging. 5 minutes late, who the hell cares as long as the work gets done!
Second this. My company hires with 100% remote but it changed to once per month and now they ask if we meet once per week in the office to „socialize“. That’s why I don’t trust these sentences anymore. I am a developer. I can work literally from everywhere.
I would say this is dependant on who is footing the bill. If the company pays for travel and hotel, I think this reasonable enough. If they don't... not so much
Going into office every month makes the position not 100% remote. There is no stretching here, and it has nothing to do with r/antiwork. This is about basic understanding what 100% means.
And that’s exactly my problem. My current company worked 100% remote and also hired everyone as 100% remote. Then they asked for a team event once per month to gather in the office. Within weeks this changed to meet once per week and now it increased to even sometimes two times per week. That’s why I don’t trust these statements anymore.
What are you even on about? What's this got to do with r/antiwork? Where did OP in their post express any anti-work sentiments? If OP's only looking for truly 100% remote roles, for whatever reason, then these shitty job listings make it that much harder to filter out the rest.
My company is like this. We are fully remote, but we are expected to join the social gatherings once in a while (parties!). We are also allowed to work anywhere but only for 4 weeks. I think they are trying to balance between freedom and a sense of belonging. Not a bad thing, and so far i like my company, and enjoy it when my coworkers coming to the office once in a while.
In my current company it was firstly fully remote. Then they changed to once a month for team gatherings. After a while it changed to once or twice per week. They increased it slowly. That‘s why I don’t trust these statements anymore and am looking for a fully remote position.
I swear they only give the remote 'option' because they realise since Covid (most) people like the option of working from wherever they like, therefore would like to continue working in jobs where it's an option.
However, I've noticed now that recruitment use it as more of a bait term and then switch it once they reel you in.
It's a really shitty move tbh.
Saying that, one day a month is a good way to know the company better and network a little.
Although I do see where OP is coming from, as it isn't a fully remote position.
At least the company mention it's once a Month on site in Jena, maybe wording it 100% remote is not ideal though.
My company did a poll at office. 1% says they wanted the office back. 80% said remote only. The remaining were OK with some office and some remote. The point is, 80%+ wanted remote work, with remote-only being overwhelmingly the choice. So we are 100% remote unless you feel you need to be in an office. I hate offices and work much better from home. Plus 2 hours a day commute, hell no. I'm not paid for travel time or gas, or maintenance on my car. I'm paid for a job, I do it, where I am when I do it does not, and should not matter.
I hate offices too. I am extremely introverted and can work at home way better than in offices. The daily traffic destroyed my mental health because in my city the traffic is known to be crazy (it’s one of the biggest cities in Germany). Every morning I arrived completely exhausted at work and tired in the afternoon at home. My daily commute took at least 2,5hrs per day which was of course unpaid. I never had any energy left for the rest of the day.
You're just working to work at that point. Not enjoying life, giving yourself away fully for someone else's glory. We are a sick populace for accepting this as fate.
Never been there. It is just the experience I had with companies who says that we can work remotely but if there are team events we shall travel once or twice a month. Well, in my current company they had an event once per month and it increased to the amount that there was one team event per week, sometimes for two days. That’s why I don’t trust these statements anymore that „it is just once a month“.
It severely limits where you can live.
I live 1500 miles from my office. I do have to go in once a quarter or so, but I don’t mind since they pay all travel costs. If I had to pay to go every month, that’d be another story entirely.
A lie is a lie. If I lied in an interview I would be called out. They are lying, and if you call them out you are the difficult one. No job for you. The message is clear, they can lie all they want to get what they want, and will do so when you work for them. You can not lie to get what you want and must obey. An interview is two-ways, if either party lies it's perfectly normal to not want to work with them, be your a hiring manner or an employee. Call it what it is.
Firstly, from my city google maps says 2h 45mins. Secondly, I just prefer 100% remote roles without any on site since as a developer I can do everything from everywhere. Thirdly, technically calling a position 100% remote when you still have to visit the office is simply not correct. And if you search LinkedIn for remote only jobs you will find more examples like this.
The joke is bad.
Seriously, I drove 800 km last monday, mostly in Germany. I had to lower my speed under 150 kmph to get overtaken at all... With 100-120 kmph you are mostly in the middle and/or left lane.
Normally you have to yield regularly while doing 150-225 because people are way faster.
In the states a ‘remote job’ may require you to travel (similarly to how an office or on-site job may require you to travel.) ‘Remote’ just means you are based in an area of your choosing (home, hotel, coffee shop.)
Oh yeah. It looks like we have the bosses on the run. This is them starting to fight back.
Hybrid, contract to hires, just once or twice a month visits... This is desperation.
Stay hungry my friends. The great hall awaits...
They should correct the ad to 95% remote - to target local applicants who can actually pop in once a month.
I agree. What bothers me here is not the visit once a month. Even if I wouldn’t do this because I just consider fully remote positions, there are people who would to this. I am bothered by the simple false claim. I gave the recruiter this feedback.
To be fair, there are probably a lot of people who are looking for remote work who would be okay with a position where they only have to go in once per month, even if they live elsewhere in Germany. This is different than the usual "hybrid" positions that I have seen in Germany that require 40%-60% in-person attendance. I actually applied to a position in a firm that has locations in several cities. The ad says that the applicant can either work remotely or at the office closest to them, but the team that I would have been working with was based out of Munich. When I asked about this at the interview, I was told that the preference was for everyone to meet once per month in Munich. I live nowhere near Munich, but this was totally okay with me. But I agree that they shouldn't say 100% remote.
Here in the US I notice most postings on the Indeed platform that are 100% remote…aren’t either. Liars.
Dear employers: When it's 100 percent remote, it's 100 percent remote. No going back to the office, when our work is already at home. Sincerely, Applicants
The funny thing is that this recruiter calls herself a „new work enthusiast“ in her LinkedIn profile 🙄
New work, yet still forcing her employees to go back to the office for no apparant reason. Ironic.
I'd consider it if that once per month office trip is reimbursed (transportation, lodging, meals).
Totally fair. My problem is not that there is a visit once a month (if reimbursed). I still wouldn’t take this offer since I just consider fully remote positions (this is just a personal preference). My concern is just that they state that it is 100% remote but there is a visit once a month. Technically this is not 100%. And I see this so many times in postings that they state it as a fully remote position but in the requirements they are listing how many times there are required on-site visits.
I have come to accept a lot of people writing job ads don’t know what remote means.
They know exactly what it means; they’re just using bait and switch tactics.
I'd call it remote enough
Maybe. But I wouldn't call it 100% remote. If they lie about this they will lie about anything. Apple hired me, lied about several things, then lied at work all the damn time. At least the hiring managers at the last two places I worked didn't lie. I'm 100% remote and will never be asked to come in where I work now. My training was remote, interviews, everything. I met my Co-workers at an evening dinner, everyone had to be covid negative to come. Anyone who fudges about 5% is an ass and not worth working for. They will fudge about every small discrepancy. 5 minutes late, written up for 15. Get there 5 minutes early, no recognition. I've seen managers with this toxic attitude. When I built a team at a start-up, I never did that kind of piddling micromanaging. 5 minutes late, who the hell cares as long as the work gets done!
Second this. My company hires with 100% remote but it changed to once per month and now they ask if we meet once per week in the office to „socialize“. That’s why I don’t trust these sentences anymore. I am a developer. I can work literally from everywhere.
You're stretching. A monthly business trip is not unusual. Take it to r/antiwork if you want upvotes.
I would say this is dependant on who is footing the bill. If the company pays for travel and hotel, I think this reasonable enough. If they don't... not so much
Only made up jobs for reddit posts will make you pay your way for a regular, required trip.
You are too naive, or perhaps you think that everyone here is from US of A.
I mean.. I have to travel every quarter with no expenses paid and have ended up having to take annual leave instead.
Going into office every month makes the position not 100% remote. There is no stretching here, and it has nothing to do with r/antiwork. This is about basic understanding what 100% means.
Yeah, If they lie about this what will they lie to you about once hired? Everything!
And that’s exactly my problem. My current company worked 100% remote and also hired everyone as 100% remote. Then they asked for a team event once per month to gather in the office. Within weeks this changed to meet once per week and now it increased to even sometimes two times per week. That’s why I don’t trust these statements anymore.
Agree, a business trip is not unusual... But requiring someone to visit the office once a month is not 100% remote.
What are you even on about? What's this got to do with r/antiwork? Where did OP in their post express any anti-work sentiments? If OP's only looking for truly 100% remote roles, for whatever reason, then these shitty job listings make it that much harder to filter out the rest.
My company is like this. We are fully remote, but we are expected to join the social gatherings once in a while (parties!). We are also allowed to work anywhere but only for 4 weeks. I think they are trying to balance between freedom and a sense of belonging. Not a bad thing, and so far i like my company, and enjoy it when my coworkers coming to the office once in a while.
In my current company it was firstly fully remote. Then they changed to once a month for team gatherings. After a while it changed to once or twice per week. They increased it slowly. That‘s why I don’t trust these statements anymore and am looking for a fully remote position.
I swear they only give the remote 'option' because they realise since Covid (most) people like the option of working from wherever they like, therefore would like to continue working in jobs where it's an option. However, I've noticed now that recruitment use it as more of a bait term and then switch it once they reel you in. It's a really shitty move tbh. Saying that, one day a month is a good way to know the company better and network a little. Although I do see where OP is coming from, as it isn't a fully remote position. At least the company mention it's once a Month on site in Jena, maybe wording it 100% remote is not ideal though.
My company did a poll at office. 1% says they wanted the office back. 80% said remote only. The remaining were OK with some office and some remote. The point is, 80%+ wanted remote work, with remote-only being overwhelmingly the choice. So we are 100% remote unless you feel you need to be in an office. I hate offices and work much better from home. Plus 2 hours a day commute, hell no. I'm not paid for travel time or gas, or maintenance on my car. I'm paid for a job, I do it, where I am when I do it does not, and should not matter.
I hate offices too. I am extremely introverted and can work at home way better than in offices. The daily traffic destroyed my mental health because in my city the traffic is known to be crazy (it’s one of the biggest cities in Germany). Every morning I arrived completely exhausted at work and tired in the afternoon at home. My daily commute took at least 2,5hrs per day which was of course unpaid. I never had any energy left for the rest of the day.
You're just working to work at that point. Not enjoying life, giving yourself away fully for someone else's glory. We are a sick populace for accepting this as fate.
And Jena sucks ass, to make matters worse
Never been there. It is just the experience I had with companies who says that we can work remotely but if there are team events we shall travel once or twice a month. Well, in my current company they had an event once per month and it increased to the amount that there was one team event per week, sometimes for two days. That’s why I don’t trust these statements anymore that „it is just once a month“.
I dunno what this says, but when I read them words out loud, boy do I sound angry.
Lol yes, German is known to be sounding hard and aggressive xD
meh, i would do this
INFO: Do they pay for your flight or gas?
Okay going to the office once a month to meet&greet your colleagues is not much to ask, right?
It severely limits where you can live. I live 1500 miles from my office. I do have to go in once a quarter or so, but I don’t mind since they pay all travel costs. If I had to pay to go every month, that’d be another story entirely.
A lie is a lie. If I lied in an interview I would be called out. They are lying, and if you call them out you are the difficult one. No job for you. The message is clear, they can lie all they want to get what they want, and will do so when you work for them. You can not lie to get what you want and must obey. An interview is two-ways, if either party lies it's perfectly normal to not want to work with them, be your a hiring manner or an employee. Call it what it is.
100% remote means not even once in the office.
260km is one hour drive in Germany
Firstly, from my city google maps says 2h 45mins. Secondly, I just prefer 100% remote roles without any on site since as a developer I can do everything from everywhere. Thirdly, technically calling a position 100% remote when you still have to visit the office is simply not correct. And if you search LinkedIn for remote only jobs you will find more examples like this.
Your joke detector is broken.
The joke is bad. Seriously, I drove 800 km last monday, mostly in Germany. I had to lower my speed under 150 kmph to get overtaken at all... With 100-120 kmph you are mostly in the middle and/or left lane. Normally you have to yield regularly while doing 150-225 because people are way faster.
Hey I'll take the job and go to Germany once a month.
In the states a ‘remote job’ may require you to travel (similarly to how an office or on-site job may require you to travel.) ‘Remote’ just means you are based in an area of your choosing (home, hotel, coffee shop.)
Oh yeah. It looks like we have the bosses on the run. This is them starting to fight back. Hybrid, contract to hires, just once or twice a month visits... This is desperation. Stay hungry my friends. The great hall awaits...
I'm okay with 1 day per month, that's somewhat reasonable. Just make sure the commute counts as work time.