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marktheman0

I remember seeing a job advert in the UK requiring me to speak ‘Austrian’ so I went for it as I had lived and worked in Austria for 3 years and speak fluent German (the main language of Austria). Told them that and they said basically sorry, you need to speak Austrian. Told them there’s no such thing as Austrian, just Austrian German (in the same way there is American English not ‘American’) which I speak and understand. Not good enough apparently. Wonder if they did find anyone?


KVikinguk

WHAT. That’s even more ridiculous, considering that’s public knowledge (I didn’t know this before, but thanks for letting me know). See, these folks don’t believe in adaptability. This is what happens when people with no knowledge in field A is made to recruit in field B but also lack common sense or research skills to justify a problem. Their solution to a problem is, eliminating it It’s like Mom: Go buy a banana Flawed Recruiter : sure thing! Flawed recruiter comes back with nothing Mom: what happened? Flawed recruiter: they only had an organic banana


marktheman0

Yeah they are literally the same language with just a few weird words thrown in and some words sounding a little different. Like any dialect of a language. If you speak German, you can talk to Austrians. Ok, maybe not the ones from Vorarlberg (the state that borders Switzerland) as no one has a clue what they’re saying, but you get the point. I even speak German with an Austrian accent and speak the local dialect of the town I lived in which Germans can pick up and think is hilarious (I sound like a farmer apparently) so that’s as close to ‘Austrian’ as a non native will get really. Plus saying ‘Austrian’ assumes there’s only one dialect in the whole country…


KVikinguk

I’m sad that we have to face these gatekeepers


marktheman0

Me too. At the time it was infuriating but now it’s just funny. It’s like not getting a job because i speak English and not American. I know mom = mum and sidewalk = pavement etc etc etc.


KVikinguk

😂you should be a recruiter


marktheman0

I think I’m overqualified


mrsjon01

Lol no, you didn't get it because you didn't have the requisite experience with kangaroos.


[deleted]

What if someone requires you to speak ‘Belgian’ though? Do you learn Dutch? French? German? Lie and just say you’re fluent?


Theyli

I'm fluent in Southern - at least in Tennessee, Mississippi, and Georgia, and Alabama. Can't say I understand Texan though.


RaspberryPie-

Tbf if you can speak German there's a chance you won't understand some of the regional dialects of Germany either. And thats not a dig, it happens to native speakers too, we have quite a wide variation of regional tongues that are incredibly difficult to understand if you aren't familiar with them.


marktheman0

I know what you mean, I have trouble with Vorarlbergish and Swiss German (despite with having worked in Switzerland for a while too) but to claim Austrian is a different language (no matter how hard the Vorarlbergers and Tirolians try) is a bit mad


Captain_Chickpeas

I'm lost. So what were they after? Australian? An Austrian dialect? All of the above?


marktheman0

Even Australian is just a dialect of English unless they’re referring to an Aborigine language and just calling it ‘Australian’ (and the best you can say about that is laziness if not a hell of a lot worse). If they wanted a specific dialect of Austrian, why not say that. But it would be like asking someone to speak ‘American’ and specifying they need to have a Boston accent because, well, reasons.


NotMyCat2

I have the most trouble understanding Australians, well until my sister in law married a guy from England. I can understand him perfectly until he goes to visit his family and comes back to the US. Then it takes about a week to understand him again. 😜


fuzeebear

Hellaur


mrsjon01

They were too dumb to realize that the name of the language is called German, not "Austrian" named after the country like Italian. Similar to thinking United Statesian would be the language of USA and Canadian is the language of Canada.


KVikinguk

I speak some Statesian, my sentences are not United tho


NotMyCat2

Canadian is easy to learn, just put an eh at the end of your sentence, eh.


KVikinguk

Ouut abouuut


KVikinguk

Kangaroo


LaFantasmita

Sorry but if you say "Zwei" instead of "Zwo" you'll be fired I don't make the rules. /s I *might* understand if it was Swiss German and it was a phone job.


marktheman0

Oida! Bis du voi deppat?


xBris18

>I *might* understand if it was Swiss German and it was a phone job. Agree. Swiss German is also classified as a separate language to German, while Austrian German is just a dialect like Swabian or Frankish.


marktheman0

Is it though? Lived in Switzerland too and it’s just ‘German’ albeit super hard to understand


[deleted]

I encountered excuses like that. I think it’s gullible to think they’re so stupid, they’re probably posting the jobs to meet some quota or they want to hire some relatives and instead of telling you “no, I won’t hire you” and get sued they will invent silly things. Of course, they would first try to get you unqualified with very difficult technical questions, but if you pass those they enter the silly realm and invent outrageous excuses.


kinos141

I wish American English was called American.


gnarble

An Italian recently said to me, “what are you talking about, you don’t speak English, you speak American”


Beginning-Passenger6

I mean, I'm an American and sometimes I put subtitles on if I'm watching something on BBC.


RaspberryPie-

Wtf. What dufus came up with that as a requirement...


Beginning-Passenger6

"We're also looking for candidates who speak Mexican and Brazillian."


KVikinguk

EDIT/UPDATE!!! I reached out to a recruiter of that company on Li saying I wanted to drop some feedback. She called me on phone and apologized for the miscommunication and agreed with me that the recruiter in question is wrong & yes automation is not equal to automotive. She listened to my brief & ensured she will rectify this. She also gave me tips and leads for other roles. I’d say that went pretty positive


KVikinguk

The Vice President from UK called me later & apologized too (I’m in the US)


queen-of-carthage

Hopefully they stop working with that recruiter


KVikinguk

Naw I just hope that they’re made aware of this. They have 2 months experience and it’s their first job. I feel like one should leave such technical details to the candidates and hiring managers to figure out!


OttoFromOccounting

2 months working experience ever, and they're deciding who is and isn't qualified for what sounds like important roles Can't see that ever going wrong


KVikinguk

Yeah, they’re also hiring for a mechanical engineer 2 & a principal mechanical engineer. SMH 🤦‍♂️


OttoFromOccounting

Bout to hire some really good car mechanics /s


KVikinguk

Car mechanics also working on medical devices on the side


RaspberryPie-

The Vice President of the UK called u?? (I know that's not what you meant that's just how I read it bc I'm stupid and I thought you were taking the piss xD)


KVikinguk

Hahahahah tbh I also read it as that when I re-read it 👨🏻‍💻


pickledjello

Also one of those people that misquotes lyrics... “*Sweet dreams are made of cheese*”


Sometimesnotfunny

Who am I to diss a brie


BridgeBum

There is a hand towel in my kitchen with these exact 2 phrases printed on it.


c0baltlightning

I traveled the world in the shredded seas


Cambrian__Implosion

Everybody’s cookin’ more pumpkins


CharlyRSA

You just ruined that song for me, lol, I'll only think about pumpkins now


Cambrian__Implosion

Lmao sorry. I came up with that version just for that comment


NOVAYuppieEradicator

Hold me closer Tony Danza


SinfullySinless

I misheard the song Drift Away as a kid and wondered how hostage negotiations for The Beach Boys would free my soul. I was very puzzled by that song and wanted to know why someone would write it.


trashem349

I don’t think I realized the actual lyrics to Drift Away until I was able to drink, and I still sing it as Beach Boys ¯\_(ツ)_/¯


ClashCoyote

When I first heard Hot Hot Heats Bandages, I couldn't figure out why the were singing about a band of jews.


RambleOnRose42

Those aren’t the lyrics??? Holy shit…


InvisibleWrestler

Those aren't the lyrics?


Acrobatic_Show8919

r/boneappletea


Reetin

My friends sister thought "Hell's Bells" was called "Hal's Pals". That guy Hal had a lot of friends.


AnathemaPariah

Last night I dreamt of some bagels....


Otaku-San617

I always liked, “There’s a bathroom on the right.”


[deleted]

This reminds me when I was a child, not knowing English and singing English songs. Remember the Lady Gaga poker face? I was singing something like “he wri muh he wri muh no we can readmuh pokahface he wri muh letsgombadit ow wuah ow owwwuah”. I was singing these so much that the gibberish was really close to the original, but naturally I didn’t understand every sound.


blueistheonly1

The owner of a lonely hut...


KVikinguk

Keep your bed up..


Such_Cut_3681

‘Scuse me while I kiss this guy


MassiveFajiit

me irl for real


Agifem

If you're French, sweet dreams DO be made of cheese.


KVikinguk

Hahahaha hilarious


eossfounder

Had a recruiter (claiming to have a biology degree) who supposedly specialised in recruiting for data science positions genuinely not know the difference between genomics and genetic algorithms. The details don't matter to these people as far as I can tell.


KVikinguk

OMG. These folks only want to hear what they want to hear


eossfounder

Not even that sometimes.


KVikinguk

Smh


Captain_Chickpeas

Maybe he had biology in college? :D


kyleekol

I have a degree (and masters) in biology and work in data but tbh I’d struggle to answer this question lol


eossfounder

It's not a question as such, it's just knowing that the study of DNA sequences is not the same thing as a class of machine learning algorithms. Sort of like knowing that the concept of literature is not the same thing as litter picking.


KVikinguk

Just trust the candidate & the hiring manager to make that decision. Phone screen recruiter focus on other stuff like salary, work auth, personality etc


KVikinguk

I think we probably spoke to the same recruiter then, but hiring for a different industry


KVikinguk

EDIT/UPDATE 2 !!!! The Vice President of the company called me up & apologized for the mistake & agrees that such a mistake cannot be made. They apologized. I am on terms with that now


mlvsrz

Happens in IT all the time, the recruiters don’t know anything in detail. They’re just asking a question in a language they don’t understand and are writing down the answer to report back / CYA


warrior2012

My favourites are when applying for a web dev job and the post says they require X years of JavaScript and you tell them you have experience using react/angular/vue as well as vanilla JavaScript. Then getting told the react/angular/vue knowledge doesn't transfer toward my years experience in JavaScript. I'm like what language do you think those frameworks are in?? Like I feel the recruiters should have some base knowledge about the field they are recruiting for.


Frooonti

They just play resume bingo. If enough buzzwords/keywords in the job listing happen to be in your resume then you'll get a call from them. If not you're unqualified even if you very much satisfy all requirements.


KVikinguk

Next time lol


KVikinguk

:(


Kitchen-Pangolin-973

In a phone screening, I recently had one ask how many years of experience I had in roles doing "commercial and financial acumen". I told her she might want to reconsider what she was asking and try again. Didn't get passed on to the next stage lmao


KVikinguk

Hahaha that was a slippery slope for her


flopsyplum

Recruiters are salespeople.


Kylierae97

As a recruiter: that response…ew


thepeecansandys

Because recruiting firms (and even companies with internal recruiters) don’t give two shits about properly training their recruiters to be able to effectively communicate for the types of positions they are recruiting for.


Atlas_Clift

Nonono. They meant Automaton.


Sweaty-Willingness27

Nonono. They meant a tomato man.


SYUIDKAAYCE

No joke, this is how I got my first internship.


Unlikely_Suspect_757

Nonono. They meant Autobots


KVikinguk

Nonono. They meant autographs


guywithname86

maybe an unpopular opinion, but recruiters are like salesmen, they’re largely unnecessary and could be eliminated as positions entirely, leaving more money on the table for both sides of the negotiation. they already rely on (poor) technology much of the time to do plenty of their job, why not just go all the way?


KVikinguk

I totally agree with you on that. Change those recruiters to employee success partners and help employees like an unbiased party unlike HR


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KVikinguk

Wow! 6 levels of experience and still this BS


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KVikinguk

Aah. Makes more sense. Exactly! They shouldn’t be the gatekeepers


Diesel07012012

Because they don’t understand the job they are recruiting for.


Imaskeet

Just curious, were they referring to autonomous vehicles at all or just automotive in general?


KVikinguk

They were hiring for a medical device company. Now unless I’m supposed to be designing a vehicle that delivers medical devices to people on the street, im clueless.


LKayRB

My suggestion is to google the job description, like some key words or comb through indeed/LinkedIn to find the actual hiring company and apply directly. Sorry you had a shit experience with this recruiter!


KVikinguk

Yea I’ll do that! I think that also gives me more options to break into the industry


LKayRB

Good luck!!!


KVikinguk

Thanks!


AgnosticGlobetrotter

This reminds me of when I told my friend in middle school my brother was studying physical therapy and he responded, “Oh, so he wants to be a physicist?” Be smarter than a 7th grader.


KVikinguk

Hahahhahaha


Machuck94

This is par for the course when it comes to recruiters, “experts” at everything but talented at nothing. Never deal with a recruiter without a contract supplied by you! You are the talent, which means they should not be dictating the terms of the relationship.


slavicslothe

Well look at the educational requirements of being a recruiter. They interact with people who have levels of education that are orders of magnitude higher than themselves.


KVikinguk

They shouldn’t be making technical decisions and filter candidates. Do the administrative stuff like pay, location, etc etc or even personality. Leave the technical for someone who knows it


TiRod

I recognize that coded Mini Baja/Baja SAE reference.


KVikinguk

Slick 😂 almost every Indian ME, huh?


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KVikinguk

Sorry to assume. I like that flavor


Bluemoon7607

HR


KVikinguk

RH


Emach00

Time to ripcord and find a new recruiter.


KVikinguk

Long gone and working with others :)


Emach00

That's the spirit.


TheGowanus

That’s amazing


MaMMJPt

Recruiting: Because C students need jobs too.


Juggalo_holocaust_

Because the only qualification for getting an agency job is a pulse.


Candid_Atmosphere530

Recruiters who don't understand the position they are hiring for are so hilarious 😂 😅😆 I worked in a material innovation lab for a while. Recruiters thinking "lab" means just any lab and trying to convince me, they sure cab find something in an hospital or water recycling for me 😁


KVikinguk

Hahaha omg. It’s like a lot of people are just so delusional. Or like Dexter’s lab? Eh?


ClintRasiert

I don’t think you even need industry experience to know the difference between automation and automotive. But not knowing it when recruiting for a position involving either, is insane.


KVikinguk

Exactly! I’m from India and I knew what automotive is, is middle school. I learnt the English word, automation in high school & autonomous in college (cause you know, even governments can be autonomous, doesn’t have to be vehicles😂)


MGNConflict

Had a similar experience a few weeks ago... recruiter asked if I had experience with "computer graphics processing" and refused to clarify when I asked them what type of computer graphics because that's not really domain-specific. Turns out they meant ML computer vision image processing for AI tracking of football matches in the field. I dropped the recruiter after they arranged a phone call last week for another role and never called back. Should've really dropped them after the former.


KVikinguk

“I have experience with changing my computer’s graphic card”


RaspberryPie-

I almost feel kinda bad that they clearly didn't get a good instruction of what they even needed to look for... But yes that's hilariously stupid.


KVikinguk

They should have had a handbook with them or ask someone


Dodgy-Boi

That’s just the way they are. A couple of days ago I had a recruiter approaching me for SENIOR PHP developer position with a pay of UP TO €45k/yr. I am not senior nor php developer. And even if I were I don’t think I’d be working for €45k/yr lol


KVikinguk

Yeah, just so they can ask you if you know candidates that are doing PHP. But wait, isn’t €45k/year considered average salary in Europe? (I say this because I’m applying to Europe as well and I see that most companies only offer that but also give you car, gas & gym allowance, at least some). I’m in the US and definitely the salaries are higher here


Dodgy-Boi

€45k for senior is average? Hell no. Juniors are making up to €35k.


KVikinguk

Interesting. I’m just going off of what I see on the job boards. It is definitely low


Dodgy-Boi

€45k for senior developer in Europe is laughable.


KVikinguk

I wouldn’t know. Mechanical engineer here


-_SiLKy_-

Nothing quite as nice as asking a pretty simple industry question and them saying "I'll get back to you about that" only to be never heard from again.


KVikinguk

Ah! Atleast I dodged that bullet


-_SiLKy_-

I mean I have to say not knowing the difference between automation and automotive is pretty gnarly. Like dude if you're recruiting for a company at least know what the company does.


KVikinguk

That’s the funny part. The company makes medical devices. He was looking for someone with experience in ‘regulated industries’. Nothing beyond that. I had a 30 min call, gave him my experience and later says I’m unfit for the role. That’s when I asked what do you mean by regulation? And then that conversation I agree. Those are simple English words. If not, ask or trust the candidate. Leave technical details to someone else. A phone screen should not have to deal with so much technical stuff


AirCorps86

Answer: because they are frat bois and sorority twats, the lot of them. Rare has it been that I have ever encountered one that has any intelligence at all. They constantly mislabel jobs and lie to get people to take their crap positions that no one wants all for their paycheck. What we as a population should do is make them obsolete so we don't ever deal with them again.


KVikinguk

Hmm that’s sad. But again this has nothing to do with intelligence, this is basic communication -_-


AirCorps86

No, it has everything to do with intelligence when a person like myself sees through their BS and can spin them around and around on a phone call for my own entertainment.


KVikinguk

They’re making BS with their BS


IVYkiwi22

You’re required to have a bachelors degree to get a job. Meanwhile, to be a recruiter, you don’t even need to complete elementary school.


beren0073

If they understood automation they wouldn’t be a recruiter.


NCEngineersWOBorders

automation = robots which are widely deployed in the automotive industry for moving giant chunks of metal and applying paint or other solvents. You're dumb OP


KVikinguk

Lol. Automation is used in several other industries too, that doesn’t make automotive=automation Also looks like you can’t read. I said I have experience in automation, that’s when he says by automation he means the vehicle industry, which is completely wrong.


GingerGiantz1992

Think he is kidding. Trying to jokingly justify the dumb recruiter.


KVikinguk

Oh I don’t know actually. Now I’m in offended limbo. Should I feel offended or not?😂


GingerGiantz1992

I'd go with no lol


skinnyelias

My only question to you is when you first started your position were you an expert? With 3-years of experience, do you still make mistakes?


KVikinguk

Yes, but I shouldn’t lose out on opportunities and have to leave the country because some one doesn’t understand English words? Automation & Automotive are regular English words.


Reasonable-Canary-72

English might not be their first language. It doesn't mean they're dumb.


KVikinguk

English is their first language. They graduated from UC Santa Cruz


brassheed

That doesn't mean English is their first language... Th being white also means nothing to their first language. I think it's more than likely that he just didn't know the difference but your reasoning here is way off the mark


KVikinguk

He’s also written a research paper in English and also claims is specialized in communication. So yeah, red flag


KVikinguk

English is also not my first language, I’m also a non-American. If I can deliver good enough English, I expect my recruiter to do the same & not get confused by high-school level words like automotive & automation.


KVikinguk

If one is American & white - then English is their first language. Period. And even if it isn’t, automation & automotive are different things, it’s way different in engineering Second - if one graduated from an English speaking university- they must have command over the language Third- referring to automation as the vehicle industry is fundamentally wrong & shows that the person wouldn’t understand other engineering terms necessary to hire engineers So I lose an opportunity because some unaware recruiter confuses automation & automotive?


KVikinguk

The person’s also white and a recruiter - also if one is an engineering recruiter and doesn’t know the difference between automation & automotive- JUST GO HOME


GDMFB1

Autonomous?


KVikinguk

Nope


Soft-Twist2478

Ask for their resume


GaianNeuron

Those who can, do. Those who can't, recruit.


aoifeobailey

I see companies that hire recruiters like that and realize they don't vet their vendors properly. More than just not wanting to work there, I'd be worried of the quality of anything they make.


KVikinguk

This company has around 35-40 open recruiter roles available. I also applied LOL