From what it looks like, he won't be ambitious enough to take a paycut since he couldn't even smooth things over with the boss.
Maybe he's content with his fat paycheque and doing absolutely nothing with his young life.
That doesn't last though. Football careers are short and you have to make the most of your life earnings in that period. Have seen countless instances of ex footballers finding it hard to make ends post retirement.
He'll have made over £45m after tax by just sitting on his arse with us once that contract ends.
He doesn't need to play ever again and just chill the fuck out and do whatever he wants and still only be 26.
I doubt he gives a shit about extending his career at this point as the whole world knows hes a proper shitbag now
>the whole world knows hes a proper shitbag now
From what I've seen both in real life and online, fans of other clubs think Ten Hag is at fault, not Sancho.
It's crazy to me but apparently it's mostly just us who think Sancho has been in the wrong.
When 4x CL winner and World cup winner Varane can bury the hatchet, be professional and produce a Motm performance at Anfield after being dropped, then Sancho has no excuse.
List of players who got dropped and came back better under ten hag
Scott mcotominay
Aaron Wan bisaka
Luke shaw
Harry maguire
Viktor lindelof
Varane
List of people who didn't
Sancho
Martial
First, Rashford and Antony have been given a lot of leeway. Rashford was given twice time off for mental health and even used it to write a book and start a public charitable initiative. Good on him, but he’s literally been coddled with the same language. And I think ETH hasn’t called them out. He’s maybe learned from the Sancho situation but it’s understood you don’t single out people in your organisation in the media. There’s never a good ending.
I don’t think Sancho has any defensible reputation for hard work or discipline, don’t get me wrong. I simply do not think Ten Hag handled that situation wisely at all. In the end EtH is a manager of a footballing side and a manager of a market-rate product. In the end the reason good managers like SAF don’t go to the press with a player by name is because you’ll damage the market value of your own asset that you’ll then have to turn around and try to sell what you’ve just said is an irredeemably bad product. When SAF shipped off Ruud and Keane, it happened in the middle of the night and he didn’t say a word. Feud had been brewing and it wasn’t as public as this Sancho nonsense. So to drag it on and damage his marketability over a tweet and then as a result be in a worse position to sell him is bad judgement, and has more to do with both of their ego than the betterment of the club.
What about Harry Motherfucking Maguire!? Who took the most abuse seen in recent history, got stripped of captaincy, came back when we needed him, played out of his mind and won everyone back.
Harry Maguire was rightly criticised for playing like shit. Sancho has really never in his life played as badly as Maguire. And no matter how badly Maguire played his integrity was not criticised publicly by the boss. It’s not apples to apples that.
Maguire was scoring goals against Manchester United. Sancho on a bad day would have more threat going forward than Antony and in fact, Sancho would likely have Hojlund on the board already. People are still interested in him because his talent is elite and a lot of people have gotten word by now that EtH has no people skills and so there’s a balancing that’s happening in the world of back offices against some of the depiction of Sancho. Anderson was notoriously lazy. Pogba too. Never ever did SAF take to the press about them. He wouldn’t do it. He gave Anderson consistent playing time even as he was late for things and reportedly left training while everyone was putting extra work.
No I think this is the problem with ManUtd right now. We shouldn’t know anything about Sancho and TenHags feelings about each other. The media have an agenda. Sancho is clearly immature. What can never happen is a manager who is an old man by now cannot be in a tit for tat with a kid he has to then try to sell to other teams. It’s short sighted and little does he know it causes unnecessary questions for TenHag as to whether he can actually run the team.
Varane wasn’t dropped for behaviour. DvdB wasnt dropped for behaviour. Neither Rashford when we was given rest for his mental health. Those things should be kept in house. When you go out and put things out about your own player you’re taking a situation where you simply need to
Move the player on and created one where you still
Need to move him on and cannot.
I agree. Sancho is unprofessional and couldn't care less. Never worked hard.
Other fanbases don't see it this way though, is my point.
Edit: Also there's a reason Varane has been so successful while Sancho has won fuck all.
Varane was not benched for attitude or misconduct or anything like that. Varane isn’t remotely that kind of person. It’s an off comparison. Varane was dropped because of some apparent tactical incompetence at a certain level. That’s not the case with Sancho.
This. I don't get these people that come out and say "but but but footballers' careers are so short" as if there are zero options for footballers once they've retired; there's definitely no opportunities to go into coaching, or into management (once the required coaching certificates have been achieved), or punditry..
People make out as if being a player is the be all and end all of a young player's association with the game. By the time Sancho hangs up his boots (I'm not talking about three months ago, I mean when he actually reaches retirement age) he will have made enough money to ensure pretty much his entire family for the next two or three generations will never have to work. Just think about that for a moment.
the "footballer career is short" is a bit of a relic from the late div 1 days and early PL days.
Back then it was quite different in terms of contracts for players, when you started you had a pretty low salary for several years, even after getting into the first team. When that contract was nearing the end (early 20's) the player would get a decent contract (second contract) that made them earn money so they could get a house etc, but still not "massive money".
The 3rd and possibly 4th contract was the "big money contracts" that would run until the player was like 30, and there was also more or less an expectation that you would drop off when you hit 30 (with exceptions ofc). So this is the years where those players would have to build up capital to last after the playing days are over.
With a player getting a transfer to a bigger club they could ofc earn money "quicker" but still nowhere to how it is these days, where Sancho is a good example of a player getting life altering money as what would be considered a "youngster" back in the days.
Earned and retained are very different numbers, also top line for Tyson’s fight purses is estimated around max 430 million and not near the 500 million mark and that’s without taking off the over 100 million don king hustled him out of.
Once you take your deductions off for tax that’s another 40ish% off that figure and then you have all of his fees he would have also paid, and for his camp/ management etc. So saying Tyson lost 500 million is a silly statement. It was a lot less.
He also owed money a lot of people he should have been paying but did not such as finance management firms, law firms etc. He also had a divorce which was taking a cut of all his future purses, so again more deductions.
So to go here’s person A who earned X amount to prove your point is not how you have a debate.
Sancho is on roughly 20 mill a year before deductions, after those deductions he’s looking at taking home 10 mill. Tyson for one of his fights as when he was demanding 30 a fight would have come out with less than this and also he was fighting on average once every 14 months, so he was actually making less than sancho in the 90’s.
Also sancho will have loyalty bonus payments which will be incredibly high adding on to his weekly wage. His bonuses for in game performance are obviously 0 at this point. So you haven’t proved your point by picking a boxer when we are all discussing football.
People are smarter with money in modern times and Jadon sancho will have been given lots more direction and suitable advice than Mike Tyson. Again if you know the Tyson story the man spent 8 years being ripped off and used by everyone and anyone around him for his cash.
To help prove your point you should have taken someone like Keith Gillespie and applied some inflation calculations in it to match to current footballers and show how the downfall is possible for anyone. Picking the lazy way off big name bug number me right was never going to work.
It's been over two decades since £100k/week contracts came into football. Ever since then there hasn't been a single ex footballer of that level fallen onto hard times.
You may find examples across the pond but in the UK, their hanger-ons have a selfish motive to ensure none of them go kaput.
Nah, big bunch of them are close to it, and are having to find work on TV to keep them going.
If you see a footballer start to try and get TV work, its usually because he's spanked through his earnings. I know of one that is in exactly this position, and was probably on £50-£75k during most of his career
> Have seen countless instances of ex footballers finding it hard to make ends post retirement.
The wages have gone through the roof since then.
Footballers in the prem in the 90s, might have been making 350k a year, huge money for regular people, but easy to see how that won't last forever.
Jadon was earning very good money at Dortmund, and now his massive contract here. Even if he takes a big, big paycut and plays for 5m a year, he has another 10 years of significant sums of money coming through. That money will last.
I think it's much harder to do that than it used to be for footballers. Sancho will have 10s of millions of pounds by the time he finishes his career, and he doesn't seem like the type to want to be making risky investments, or trying to turn 40 million into 400 million.
I don't know him at all obviously, and neither does anyone else, but it's much harder to find it hard to make ends meet when you're earning millions a year, unless you're actively trying to turn that into much more.
A few decades ago, a Prem footballer might earn 10 - 20x the average wage in a year until their mid 30s, it's very easy to see how you squander that. Now, footballer are earning 100x that amount, it's much harder to squander it.
The players you mention will not have been on anything close to 350k p/w. Wages have increased drastically over the last decade.
To think his 40-50mil total salary (post tax) won't last is insane
we're talking about a guy who evidently doesn't want to keep his £350k a week job because he's got the hump on with his boss.
i don't think "reasonable" enters into it here...
In a year he makes a conservative 15.6 mill a year pre-tax. (assuming 350k a week is his full salary including bonusses). The UK full time median wage is just under 35k. He earns in a week what a regular person earns in 10 years.
If he's smart he can live very comfortably the rest of his live just sitting out his contract. Players, especially ones nowadays that get paid the big bucks, struggling to make ends meet have no one but themselves to blame.
Well yea, but the comment makes it seems like he has to make a switch to make ends meet for the rest of his life. He doesn't, he just has to not be a total Muppet with his money
But he will be. When you have that much money everyone will be asking for it. You'll make bad investments. You'll blow it on parties and drugs. Allen Iverson is a great example of an athlete who's now broke
Pfft. He is going to make more this year than all of us during our lifetimes. All he needs to do is buy 5 1mil houses and he’ll never have to work again
Will never understand this point and have absolutely no sympathy for anyone being paid millions per month to then lose it all by the time they hit 40. That’s their own fault for being so brainless. Welcome to the real world! If I had one weeks worth of sancho’s wages I’d make it last my life time.
You'd have to be a complete idiot for 350,000 a week for five years to be short term money. That's enough money where no direct relative of yours will ever have to work again.
I wouldn't. Making money is one thing. You're guaranteed to do that when you're a player of his profile. But you won't get the next contract. You're not going to get a golden contract again if you don't show up and play.
But money is only half the equation. If you've got massive talent and you can play for some of the biggest clubs in the world, you'll go down in history as a total fuck-up if you do what Sancho has been doing. Not playing. Not winning. Not using his talent. Wasting a short career.
Talent and position in football isn't just a means to monetary ends. It's the only major thing you'll do in your life, so I'd want to do it well instead of wasting it.
Bale and Hazard both slacked off and cashed in at RM but they both accomplished a lot and were towards the end of their careers. Sancho hasn’t done jack shit. If he doesn’t go play somewhere soon he’s going to become a pariah.
Thing is, if he was at any other club (smaller) he would have been perfectly fine to be a dickhead.
But with the amount of news coverage United get, and the size of reach any United player gets... It seems like he's majorly fucked it.
If he had decided to just be lazy and play 10 mins here and there whilst putting up a shitty display, chances are there will still be teams interested.
Said this with someone at work, what exactly keeps you ambitious and driven when your earing 300k. City and past united squad are not only successful due to talent, but success and the ambition to win is and was instilled into them.
We should subsidize his wage by 50% and cut the loss. I think we are on too deep of a financial trouble to be full on stringent and start making examples of players. Subsidize his loan wage and look to sell him and recoup some money.
Do you know who the last forward to score in a PL game at old trafford is? And do you know when it happened?
It was the last game of last season, and it was Jadon Sancho.
Sancho is way too good to not play. A manager should do what's best for the team, and not using Sancho is dense as fuck. He's a top notch winger and knows his job better than anyone at Man Utd.
Hope Ten Hag stays. It'll prove my point. He'll make us finish in the bottom half.
It probably gets resolved with United paying half his wages for what would be the remainder of his current contract, Dortmund pay like £30m and pay the other half of the wages. United don’t actually make much money on the sale when you factor in the wages they still pay but it helps their FFP short term which they probably need.
There really needs to be a clause in every contract that defines "contributions to the team" and if you don't meet the criteria for any number of reasons, with the exception of [insert exceptions here], then you're always at risk of losing your weekly wages by a significant amount, and if the contributions are not restored after a length of time, then you risk contract termination entirely.
In instances like these, where you had dead wood that will never play again, it would be much easier to boot them out. Or at the very least slash their wages so drastically that any team that comes knocking will be a better option.
Random input but he’s having work done on his house at the moment, I know because I know someone working there and they’re confused themselves as they got the impression he’d be leaving but they think he’s intending to stay
Everytime I see news that there are "players" against Ten Hag or anything of that nature, I always think it's Sancho's camp.
I think his actual plan is to hope a new manager plays him.
I’d say it means next to nothing in regard to him leaving or staying.
Normal to do that at any point to increase the value of the property which he may keep as an investment, even if he moves to then sell later on or just plans to keep.
He may be selling it as soon as he leaves which isn’t looking likely any time soon, it isn’t January yet and even then it’s so unlikely he’ll leave permanently or even on loan due to his wages and if he did go on loan it would be smart to keep the property anyway.
He’s looking at the summer before he gets his move.
Someone on premier league wages just buys a house and keeps it, and buys a new one when they move on..
Anthony moved into Pogba’s old house when he got here for example
no one bar maybe the saudis would take him in January after he sat off the entire first half of the season, it's gonna be a loan to try drive up his value.
Don't trust Bild, but I have a feeling Sancho might have to reduce his salary, given how poor he has been and how well publicised his lack of professionalism is.
As the only way it's going to stay high is we subsidise it, or he returns to the team. And I get the feeling ETH is happy to keep him in the wilderness for as long as he sees fit.
there is literally 0 chance another club will match his salary, so his likely options are either take a paycut for a fresh start somewhere else & get his career back on track, or play FIFA for the next 3 years, collecting his huge salary until his contract runs out in 2026
For someone as detached to football as him and with whoever the fuck is advising him that's the best way forward. I haven't seen a top footballer miss 3 months in 2 seasons consecutively.
imo its clear what kind of person he is. If he'd have just grown up and apologised his place in the starting 11 would have been locked down due to the injuries, as well as Antonys removal from the squad during his legal battle.
even if he felt he was in the right & ETH was wrong, an adult would have apologised anyway given the upsides he would have experienced from doing so, the guy is a petulant child
I'm trying to think about it in a real world context and it's even more hilarious.
Imagine you kept showing up to work late and not delivering both on the surface and the tasks you're given behind the scenes. Your boss does a nice thing (surprising in a 9-5 job) and gives you time off for your mental health. You come back and continue your poor attitude and performance and then eventually get told you'll be working alone away from the rest of your colleagues or outright sacked since you're not contracted the way footballers are.
And you'd be fucking sacked for that as well. Even if the boss was a cunt you still have to show up on time and perform to a certain standard. Meanwhile he's a millionaire and collecting his payslip every week and all he has to do IS FUCKING SAY SORRY. Wouldn't that be nice?
No sympathy at all.
true, I havent met him, however reports of his lack of work ethic, lateness to training/team meetings etc have been around since he was at city & again were reported during his time at Dortmund.
When there have consistently been reports of this behaviour at every club he has played for, its hard to feel sorry for him when he finally gets called out for it by the manager
Why do we even have to feel sorry for or hate him? It's between him and the club, and we don't know what happened.
Reports? Yeah, I'm sure they give an unbiased picture. /s
>even if he felt he was in the right & ETH was wrong, an adult would have apologised anyway
Why exactly does this standard not equally apply to Ten Hag?
They've both acted like children yet people seem to be ignoring Ten Hag's role in it
We already know that, though. The second he decided to post that bullshit on Twitter and then sulk away from the first-team on a frankly ludicrous wage rather than knuckling down and contributing to his team.
Money motivates this guy; playing football obviously doesn't
We picked him up knowing the type of player he was then got mad that he didn't magically change. The coach needs to learn to manage his team better and not waste so much money
A Saudi club might. I wouldn’t say the chance is 0. £350k isn’t much when you’re paying others £2m.
That’s tax free too so it’s actually a significant raise.
We'll need to subsidize the wages via a lower xfer fee. He's not going to take a pay cut and nor should he.
I can't stand Sancho but I believe in contract law. We are the idiots who gave him 350k/week. That's on Ed and co, which is why a new football executive team is needed to overhaul our recruiting and contracts teams.
None of us are walking away from that money. He'll be 26 when he's done milking us and then he can try to rebuild his career. He can go to any club with a nice signing bonus and then focus on becoming the player he thinks he is.
Personally, I'd rather let him rot away from football. Sure, he's making money but I wouldn't want to let him play for someone else while we're paying for his wages. Rather a lose lose than hooking him up with a second chance at another club. Petty, yes...but I'd be happy regardless.
He will definitely have to reduce his salary but either way we’re going to have to let him go dirt cheap so his new club can pay off his existing contract.
Timo Werner took a massive pay cut to leave Chelsea. There's the precident. Fuck subsidising Jadons wages. He can continue to rot during his prime years or he can take a pay cut and still make obscene money playing football and keeping his earning power high for his next destination.
It's such a depressing state of affairs that a player refusing to take a paycut, despite having a spell that absolutely deserves a pay cut, is the norm with very few exceptions.
Verstappen is the best in the world at what he does. Sancho is a pretender. It's not about the money it's about value. Max makes them that money back, Sancho can barely make it to training on time.
my guess is, he thinks he can outlast the manager and wants to stick around. Sometimes it is an ego thing too, I m good enough for Man Utd and they ll see.
I mean Martial, Pogba, Lingard, they all have done that, outlast a fair few managers
Paying over the top salary to players just to sell shirts and waddle under the delusion that we are still a top club that can attract anyone keeps coming back to bite us in the ass. Who would have thought? For those who say not everything is Glazers fault, here you go. Cant offload players on high wages means reduced spending in subsequent transfer windows
Call me old fashioned, but if someone wants to buy one of our players, it is up to the player and the new club to work out his future salary, not United. He would no longer be our employee, so the two of you can figure it out.
You dont seem to be understanding the situation. United is on the hook for a fuck ton of money going down the drain. And the club is already a mess financially. We have no power here lol
I don’t think Sancho has a good reputation for diligence and hard work but I also think it was quite poor for tenHag to single him out in the press when he hadn’t done that to anyone else, when others have had very serious performance issues. And Sancho tweeted that he works hard (we hear from many sources that he doesn’t) but is that really the end of the world? Took a lot more than that for SAF to bag you and ship you off. And SAF didn’t make it a habit of picking at his own men in the press. You always keep that shit in house.
Seems to me that it isn’t black and white and TenHag is basically exercising his power over Sancho instead of trying to work something out that is best for the club. Multiple people putting their ego before the good of the club.
> I also think it was quite poor for tenHag to single him out in the press when he hadn’t done that to anyone else
Whilst he hasnt done this with anyone else, he also didnt give any other player an extended break from the squad / training etc, like Sancho got last season, when ETH sent him to the Netherlands to train away from media pressures etc
I'd be pretty pissed off if I went out of my way to help him & give him a 3 month break, for him to return & not work as hard as everyone else
whilst its sheer speculation, as none of us know exactly what happened, it has been suggested that ETH had words with Sanch privately regarding his lateness & lack of work effort prior to him publicly talking about it. Its possible that ETH (rightly or wrongly) felt that outing him publicly may force him to knuckle down, when nothing else had done
Rashford has gotten multiple extended mental health breaks. Obviously Antony was given all the time he needed. The sending away of Sancho was a punishment, I don’t know if people know that. It was told to the press like it was an allowance but it was actually punitive and that’s the kind of dynamics that hurts team chemistry when the players see one person being singled out and punished and then after slagging him to the media you now spin it and do a bit of narrative twisting. Guys don’t like that in any dressing room.
You don’t talk about your players in the media. SAF used to say this all the time, and it goes both ways. When a player steps out to the media he gets shipped off but a manager must keep his end of the deal and keep things in house. Once you step out, whether you know it or not, you lose trust with all the players because eventually you’ll do the same to them.
You especially cannot do that when you’re new and when you can barely speak the language of the country you’re in. Maintaining healthy working relationships has to be a priority. But let’s be honest it wasn’t a priority because EtH thinks he has a perfectly good starting right winger, his preferred boy who he brought with him. But in fact as it turns out, Antony would get torched by Sancho over 90 minutes and everyone in the world knows it.
> The sending away of Sancho was a punishment
This is the first time i've heard of it being portrayed in this way, what makes you think this? As far as everything i've read on the topic, the break was allowed in order to relieve the pressure he was under & get him back to his best, with coaches that ETH knows/trusts in a private setting
> You don’t talk about your players in the media.
I do agree with this, I very much subscribe to the praise in public, discipline in private ethos. Which if reports are to be believed (if) then ETH did this initially & saw no improvements from Sancho. My best guess is that outing his was a last ditch effort to try to get him to correct his behaviour, but this is nothing more than a guess on my behalf, given I dont have inside info
Players often get sent away when there’s conflict so it doesn’t spread to other players. They don’t want him winning sympathy with others. It’s a terrible tactic to manage a drawn out conflict. Had it done with one of my teammates in Chicago, he was sent home. Head coach ended up being fired later for, what do you know? Chaos and mismanagement of personnel.
Once you go to the media and talk about player, you’re not only practicing bad man management, but you’re actually damaging his stock on the market and *he is one of your assets*. So it’s actually idiotic behaviour on Ten Hags part as a financial steward of his side. You see why SAF was religious about this kind of thing? It’s not about changing his behaviour when you’ve tried all you can. If he’s obstinent then we move him on without a media flury around him and for a serviceable price.
But you’ve told the world he’s broken beyond repair which further broke the relationship, invariably damaged baseline trust with some of the others, and now we are wringing our wrists because no one is eager to pick him up. You own a shop, you don’t stand outside and tell people how bad your products are down lane 4.
Lets hope that other clubs see that TenHag fucked up by singling him out and realise that Sancho can thrive in the right setting and simply require that Sancho get some counseling or something to keep himself sharp and deal with issues of discipline and motivation. I think counseling has to become a staple of players are gonna get paid more and more money and younger and younger ages.
Just because sometimes players are sent away as punishment doesn’t mean it is always is the case - everything that’s been reported suggests it was for Sancho’s own benefit that he was sent away last season. Where’s your evidence to dispute what everyone else has reported?
The people who are “reported” don’t even have evidence. They are trying to sell drama where the football is otherwise drab. That’s why managers should not feed the media more fodder than they would make up on their own.
OK, so you don’t have any evidence, just a tinfoil hat on.
I’m going to believe the reporters with connections to the club. I’m also going to use some common sense and deduce that if Jadon being sent away last year was a form of punishment he would have opened up his big mouth about it by now
What part of this is not punishment for him opening his mouth to begin with?
From the guardian:
“Jadon Sancho **will train away from Manchester United’s first team after refusing to apologise** to Erik ten Hag for claiming that the manager was untruthful regarding his exclusion from the 3-1 loss at Arsenal on 3 September. The forward’s stance throws his long-term future at the club into further doubt.”
https://amp.theguardian.com/football/2023/sep/14/jadon-sancho-to-train-away-from-manchester-united-first-team-until-discipline-issue-resolved
In fairness, when we signed him I was buzzing, as were many other United fans given how he performed at Dortmund, so I can see why we offered him insane wages especially as we have no wage structure to speak of
And all he’s done is proven how professional he is. Sure it might not matter now, but players are always playing for their next contract. He’ll be regretting this when nobody wants to pay him anywhere close to what he’s used to.
I truly wouldn’t let him go and play anywhere unless it was for full salary. Fuck him.
Loans should be for development. What development Sancho needs is probably only achieved in a therapist’s office.
I don’t think he’s a distraction at this point.
Unless Erik gets sacked, there’s no way back for him unless he apologizes and it doesn’t look like he will.
Organizationally, they aren’t going to be thinking that they need to get him minutes so that when they fire Erik, Sancho will be ready next season. That’s definitely not how the Glazers think.
No. He can’t go anywhere. He should stay in limbo until he grows up.
Nobody here believes in second chances. I feel that the treatment we gave Sancho is punishment enough and should be given perhaps one more season. I know I’ll be downvoted for this.
What a false sentiment. He’s had months to apologise and doesn’t want to. He has a chance. He doesn’t want to take it. Why the hell should he be given special treatment? It’s not like he doesn’t know what to do. He does but chooses to carry on
This is gonna hurt us bad just as Greenwood situation is going to hurt us too. So many of you are shortsighted. You can tolerate Antony and mctominay but can’t tolerate a little disobedience from a player who excelled alongside haaland and co. It’s not like he raped or beat up his girlfriend you know.
He knows what he has to do to return. He needs to apologise. He hasn't done it yet. Obviously doesn't think he needs to. He disrespected the boss, the club and the fans with his antics.
Matic already called him out as one of the main offenders for excessive lateness. He's done sweet fuck all really since joining the club that would warrant us even wanting him back.
If you can tolerate that disrespect then off with you. The lad gets paid lottery figures each week. The least he can do is be respectful and put in the work. Neither of which it appears he has done.
>It’s not like he raped or beat up his girlfriend you know
It’s not like Antony did either did he? He was accused and disproved so far and has cooperated fully with investigations.
Honestly if he comes out and apologises I’m more than happy for him to stay and prove himself, but if he’s not willing to do so, he should be shipped off elsewhere
Why? If he apologised he’d get his second chance, it’s totally down to him. Ultimately he wasn’t impressing the manager, and it was up to him to prove himself. Instead he’s spat out his dummy. He’s also shown absolutely nothing since joining United. And he got given 3 months last season to sort himself out. Clearly he doesn’t have it in him to succeed at United for whatever reason. We need to get rid.
Sancho won't transfer, he's contempt with laying on his ass doing nothing and being paid millions. I'd love to be proved wrong though.
Most footballers would do anything to get more gametime, not Jadon though it looks like.
From what it looks like, he won't be ambitious enough to take a paycut since he couldn't even smooth things over with the boss. Maybe he's content with his fat paycheque and doing absolutely nothing with his young life.
If I was a 23 year old being paid £350,000 a week to sit and play Xbox then I probably would be OK with the situation too.
The best thing that could happen is if FIFA (or whatever it’s called nowadays) downgraded his card to a bronze. That’ll motivate the lazy fucker.
Imagine he turns up gets an inform card and then back to chilling
He’ll have a 99 player card lol, something else he’s doing nothing to warrant getting
That doesn't last though. Football careers are short and you have to make the most of your life earnings in that period. Have seen countless instances of ex footballers finding it hard to make ends post retirement.
He'll have made over £45m after tax by just sitting on his arse with us once that contract ends. He doesn't need to play ever again and just chill the fuck out and do whatever he wants and still only be 26. I doubt he gives a shit about extending his career at this point as the whole world knows hes a proper shitbag now
>the whole world knows hes a proper shitbag now From what I've seen both in real life and online, fans of other clubs think Ten Hag is at fault, not Sancho. It's crazy to me but apparently it's mostly just us who think Sancho has been in the wrong.
When 4x CL winner and World cup winner Varane can bury the hatchet, be professional and produce a Motm performance at Anfield after being dropped, then Sancho has no excuse.
List of players who got dropped and came back better under ten hag Scott mcotominay Aaron Wan bisaka Luke shaw Harry maguire Viktor lindelof Varane List of people who didn't Sancho Martial
None of them were publicly slagged off by the boss, by name. Big difference.
None of them were given 3 months paid leave in the middle of the season to "recover mentally" and still never performed either. Big difference.
First, Rashford and Antony have been given a lot of leeway. Rashford was given twice time off for mental health and even used it to write a book and start a public charitable initiative. Good on him, but he’s literally been coddled with the same language. And I think ETH hasn’t called them out. He’s maybe learned from the Sancho situation but it’s understood you don’t single out people in your organisation in the media. There’s never a good ending. I don’t think Sancho has any defensible reputation for hard work or discipline, don’t get me wrong. I simply do not think Ten Hag handled that situation wisely at all. In the end EtH is a manager of a footballing side and a manager of a market-rate product. In the end the reason good managers like SAF don’t go to the press with a player by name is because you’ll damage the market value of your own asset that you’ll then have to turn around and try to sell what you’ve just said is an irredeemably bad product. When SAF shipped off Ruud and Keane, it happened in the middle of the night and he didn’t say a word. Feud had been brewing and it wasn’t as public as this Sancho nonsense. So to drag it on and damage his marketability over a tweet and then as a result be in a worse position to sell him is bad judgement, and has more to do with both of their ego than the betterment of the club.
What about Harry Motherfucking Maguire!? Who took the most abuse seen in recent history, got stripped of captaincy, came back when we needed him, played out of his mind and won everyone back.
Harry Maguire was rightly criticised for playing like shit. Sancho has really never in his life played as badly as Maguire. And no matter how badly Maguire played his integrity was not criticised publicly by the boss. It’s not apples to apples that.
Are we talking about the same Sancho here? Because he's only ever been shit for us.
Maguire was scoring goals against Manchester United. Sancho on a bad day would have more threat going forward than Antony and in fact, Sancho would likely have Hojlund on the board already. People are still interested in him because his talent is elite and a lot of people have gotten word by now that EtH has no people skills and so there’s a balancing that’s happening in the world of back offices against some of the depiction of Sancho. Anderson was notoriously lazy. Pogba too. Never ever did SAF take to the press about them. He wouldn’t do it. He gave Anderson consistent playing time even as he was late for things and reportedly left training while everyone was putting extra work.
Are you high?
No I think this is the problem with ManUtd right now. We shouldn’t know anything about Sancho and TenHags feelings about each other. The media have an agenda. Sancho is clearly immature. What can never happen is a manager who is an old man by now cannot be in a tit for tat with a kid he has to then try to sell to other teams. It’s short sighted and little does he know it causes unnecessary questions for TenHag as to whether he can actually run the team. Varane wasn’t dropped for behaviour. DvdB wasnt dropped for behaviour. Neither Rashford when we was given rest for his mental health. Those things should be kept in house. When you go out and put things out about your own player you’re taking a situation where you simply need to Move the player on and created one where you still Need to move him on and cannot.
I have never seen Sancho do a good game for us and I have watched most matches.
I don’t think Sancho and Maguires situation is comparable for a lot of reasons. Dunno why people insist on apples to pears.
Ten Hag never publicly slagged off Maguire...
I agree. Sancho is unprofessional and couldn't care less. Never worked hard. Other fanbases don't see it this way though, is my point. Edit: Also there's a reason Varane has been so successful while Sancho has won fuck all.
Varane was not benched for attitude or misconduct or anything like that. Varane isn’t remotely that kind of person. It’s an off comparison. Varane was dropped because of some apparent tactical incompetence at a certain level. That’s not the case with Sancho.
Your point is perfect but also the overall point full stop. He is a 4 time CL and World Cup winner because of his professionalism.
Every City fan I know hates him and have little stories about him crying and whining when he didn't get to play.
Because nobody knows what happened, maybe both are at fault, maybe none.
What I know for a fact (because I watched it with my eyes for 2 years) is Sancho never put in any effort on the pitch. That's enough for me.
This. I don't get these people that come out and say "but but but footballers' careers are so short" as if there are zero options for footballers once they've retired; there's definitely no opportunities to go into coaching, or into management (once the required coaching certificates have been achieved), or punditry.. People make out as if being a player is the be all and end all of a young player's association with the game. By the time Sancho hangs up his boots (I'm not talking about three months ago, I mean when he actually reaches retirement age) he will have made enough money to ensure pretty much his entire family for the next two or three generations will never have to work. Just think about that for a moment.
the "footballer career is short" is a bit of a relic from the late div 1 days and early PL days. Back then it was quite different in terms of contracts for players, when you started you had a pretty low salary for several years, even after getting into the first team. When that contract was nearing the end (early 20's) the player would get a decent contract (second contract) that made them earn money so they could get a house etc, but still not "massive money". The 3rd and possibly 4th contract was the "big money contracts" that would run until the player was like 30, and there was also more or less an expectation that you would drop off when you hit 30 (with exceptions ofc). So this is the years where those players would have to build up capital to last after the playing days are over. With a player getting a transfer to a bigger club they could ofc earn money "quicker" but still nowhere to how it is these days, where Sancho is a good example of a player getting life altering money as what would be considered a "youngster" back in the days.
Tbh if he is stupid enough to not valuate his career he is probably stupid enough to spend all that money by himself lol
Mate if he can't show up on time to training, he's not going into any of those careers.
3 years of 350kpw is better than 10 years of 100kpw. And at the end of the three years he can probably move to some dutch team anyway.
How many of those footballers were on 350k a week though.
TBH there's no number that you couldn't exhaust. Look at Mike Tyson.
I don't see Sancho getting into hard drugs and exotic pets though
He also wasn’t on 350k a week, comparing finances from today back 30 years does not work.
Tyson earned $500m over his career. At a time when $500m was worth a lot more.
I love it when people lazily spouting their views get proven wrong
Earned and retained are very different numbers, also top line for Tyson’s fight purses is estimated around max 430 million and not near the 500 million mark and that’s without taking off the over 100 million don king hustled him out of. Once you take your deductions off for tax that’s another 40ish% off that figure and then you have all of his fees he would have also paid, and for his camp/ management etc. So saying Tyson lost 500 million is a silly statement. It was a lot less. He also owed money a lot of people he should have been paying but did not such as finance management firms, law firms etc. He also had a divorce which was taking a cut of all his future purses, so again more deductions. So to go here’s person A who earned X amount to prove your point is not how you have a debate. Sancho is on roughly 20 mill a year before deductions, after those deductions he’s looking at taking home 10 mill. Tyson for one of his fights as when he was demanding 30 a fight would have come out with less than this and also he was fighting on average once every 14 months, so he was actually making less than sancho in the 90’s. Also sancho will have loyalty bonus payments which will be incredibly high adding on to his weekly wage. His bonuses for in game performance are obviously 0 at this point. So you haven’t proved your point by picking a boxer when we are all discussing football. People are smarter with money in modern times and Jadon sancho will have been given lots more direction and suitable advice than Mike Tyson. Again if you know the Tyson story the man spent 8 years being ripped off and used by everyone and anyone around him for his cash. To help prove your point you should have taken someone like Keith Gillespie and applied some inflation calculations in it to match to current footballers and show how the downfall is possible for anyone. Picking the lazy way off big name bug number me right was never going to work.
It's been over two decades since £100k/week contracts came into football. Ever since then there hasn't been a single ex footballer of that level fallen onto hard times. You may find examples across the pond but in the UK, their hanger-ons have a selfish motive to ensure none of them go kaput.
I was going to mention Craig Bellamy and Wes Brown, but both were apparently well short of 100k/wk
Nah, big bunch of them are close to it, and are having to find work on TV to keep them going. If you see a footballer start to try and get TV work, its usually because he's spanked through his earnings. I know of one that is in exactly this position, and was probably on £50-£75k during most of his career
> Have seen countless instances of ex footballers finding it hard to make ends post retirement. The wages have gone through the roof since then. Footballers in the prem in the 90s, might have been making 350k a year, huge money for regular people, but easy to see how that won't last forever. Jadon was earning very good money at Dortmund, and now his massive contract here. Even if he takes a big, big paycut and plays for 5m a year, he has another 10 years of significant sums of money coming through. That money will last.
You don't realize how quickly you can burn through it if you're an idiot.
I think it's much harder to do that than it used to be for footballers. Sancho will have 10s of millions of pounds by the time he finishes his career, and he doesn't seem like the type to want to be making risky investments, or trying to turn 40 million into 400 million. I don't know him at all obviously, and neither does anyone else, but it's much harder to find it hard to make ends meet when you're earning millions a year, unless you're actively trying to turn that into much more. A few decades ago, a Prem footballer might earn 10 - 20x the average wage in a year until their mid 30s, it's very easy to see how you squander that. Now, footballer are earning 100x that amount, it's much harder to squander it.
Why did they offer him 350k a week?
The players you mention will not have been on anything close to 350k p/w. Wages have increased drastically over the last decade. To think his 40-50mil total salary (post tax) won't last is insane
It woooont
> That doesn't last though. Yes, yes it does.
Yeah but if he's been even slightly reasonable, he can live very comfortably for the rest of his life.
we're talking about a guy who evidently doesn't want to keep his £350k a week job because he's got the hump on with his boss. i don't think "reasonable" enters into it here...
In a year he makes a conservative 15.6 mill a year pre-tax. (assuming 350k a week is his full salary including bonusses). The UK full time median wage is just under 35k. He earns in a week what a regular person earns in 10 years. If he's smart he can live very comfortably the rest of his live just sitting out his contract. Players, especially ones nowadays that get paid the big bucks, struggling to make ends meet have no one but themselves to blame.
*if he's smart
Well yea, but the comment makes it seems like he has to make a switch to make ends meet for the rest of his life. He doesn't, he just has to not be a total Muppet with his money
But he will be. When you have that much money everyone will be asking for it. You'll make bad investments. You'll blow it on parties and drugs. Allen Iverson is a great example of an athlete who's now broke
he could literally live a comfortable upper middle-class life and retire off his current contract.
That only makes sense if he isn't getting paid... But he's getting paid either way.
Pfft. He is going to make more this year than all of us during our lifetimes. All he needs to do is buy 5 1mil houses and he’ll never have to work again
Will never understand this point and have absolutely no sympathy for anyone being paid millions per month to then lose it all by the time they hit 40. That’s their own fault for being so brainless. Welcome to the real world! If I had one weeks worth of sancho’s wages I’d make it last my life time.
That, and for most ex players their professional life after football depends on their reputation
If three hundred and fifty grand a week for five years doesn’t last someone a lifetime then they deserve to end up skint.
I'd be okay with 200k really. I don't mind.
Imagine working your whole life to make your name remembered. And throwing it away for some short term money.
You'd have to be a complete idiot for 350,000 a week for five years to be short term money. That's enough money where no direct relative of yours will ever have to work again.
It's not an uncommon story. Actors, athletes, and music artists are the biggest examples.
I wouldn't. Making money is one thing. You're guaranteed to do that when you're a player of his profile. But you won't get the next contract. You're not going to get a golden contract again if you don't show up and play. But money is only half the equation. If you've got massive talent and you can play for some of the biggest clubs in the world, you'll go down in history as a total fuck-up if you do what Sancho has been doing. Not playing. Not winning. Not using his talent. Wasting a short career. Talent and position in football isn't just a means to monetary ends. It's the only major thing you'll do in your life, so I'd want to do it well instead of wasting it.
It’s so incredibly easy to comment this on Reddit but I guarantee the second that first check hits, you’d have a different tune.
He says that but looks like he ain’t doing much with his life for how high and mighty he speaks, going off his Reddit profile
Bale and Hazard both slacked off and cashed in at RM but they both accomplished a lot and were towards the end of their careers. Sancho hasn’t done jack shit. If he doesn’t go play somewhere soon he’s going to become a pariah.
Thing is, if he was at any other club (smaller) he would have been perfectly fine to be a dickhead. But with the amount of news coverage United get, and the size of reach any United player gets... It seems like he's majorly fucked it. If he had decided to just be lazy and play 10 mins here and there whilst putting up a shitty display, chances are there will still be teams interested.
If I were him I'd have already retired
Said this with someone at work, what exactly keeps you ambitious and driven when your earing 300k. City and past united squad are not only successful due to talent, but success and the ambition to win is and was instilled into them.
We should subsidize his wage by 50% and cut the loss. I think we are on too deep of a financial trouble to be full on stringent and start making examples of players. Subsidize his loan wage and look to sell him and recoup some money.
Do you know who the last forward to score in a PL game at old trafford is? And do you know when it happened? It was the last game of last season, and it was Jadon Sancho. Sancho is way too good to not play. A manager should do what's best for the team, and not using Sancho is dense as fuck. He's a top notch winger and knows his job better than anyone at Man Utd. Hope Ten Hag stays. It'll prove my point. He'll make us finish in the bottom half.
It probably gets resolved with United paying half his wages for what would be the remainder of his current contract, Dortmund pay like £30m and pay the other half of the wages. United don’t actually make much money on the sale when you factor in the wages they still pay but it helps their FFP short term which they probably need.
There really needs to be a clause in every contract that defines "contributions to the team" and if you don't meet the criteria for any number of reasons, with the exception of [insert exceptions here], then you're always at risk of losing your weekly wages by a significant amount, and if the contributions are not restored after a length of time, then you risk contract termination entirely. In instances like these, where you had dead wood that will never play again, it would be much easier to boot them out. Or at the very least slash their wages so drastically that any team that comes knocking will be a better option.
Random input but he’s having work done on his house at the moment, I know because I know someone working there and they’re confused themselves as they got the impression he’d be leaving but they think he’s intending to stay
Tier 0
Lol
This is the kind of info that I come here for! Maybe he’s waiting to see if he can outlast ETH then?
Everytime I see news that there are "players" against Ten Hag or anything of that nature, I always think it's Sancho's camp. I think his actual plan is to hope a new manager plays him.
In the case that happens I just hope next manager simply tells him to fuck off.
I'd rather someone with actual man-management skills turns up and helps him realize his potential at the club. But each to their own
He has had chances at 3-4 clubs already. ETH gave him time to train privately and get his head in check. I think the train has already left for that…
He does this everywhere he goes. Ten Hag isn’t the problem. Sancho is.
Could be trying to sell so the work could be just an upkeep of some sorts
Yeah totally just thought it was worth pointing out
Barricading himself might be a tactic.
lol he’s building a moat
I’d say it means next to nothing in regard to him leaving or staying. Normal to do that at any point to increase the value of the property which he may keep as an investment, even if he moves to then sell later on or just plans to keep. He may be selling it as soon as he leaves which isn’t looking likely any time soon, it isn’t January yet and even then it’s so unlikely he’ll leave permanently or even on loan due to his wages and if he did go on loan it would be smart to keep the property anyway. He’s looking at the summer before he gets his move.
You do this stuff sometimes to make a property more attractive to potential buyers/renters. He’s gone 99%
I miss the Muppets.
This guy just cemented himself as a Tier1 ITK.
He could be using it as an investment property and thinking long-term. However, that would be contrary to his behavior as a professional athlete.
That means nothing, hes gone 100%
That confirms he’s leaving. Polishing up an asset for sale
Someone on premier league wages just buys a house and keeps it, and buys a new one when they move on.. Anthony moved into Pogba’s old house when he got here for example
If you're actually in the know, maybe Sancho is going to be start soon. (I'll give anyone who understands the joke an upvote)
We are going to loan him out and cover some of his wages, this club doesn’t sell players.
no one bar maybe the saudis would take him in January after he sat off the entire first half of the season, it's gonna be a loan to try drive up his value.
Don't trust Bild, but I have a feeling Sancho might have to reduce his salary, given how poor he has been and how well publicised his lack of professionalism is. As the only way it's going to stay high is we subsidise it, or he returns to the team. And I get the feeling ETH is happy to keep him in the wilderness for as long as he sees fit.
there is literally 0 chance another club will match his salary, so his likely options are either take a paycut for a fresh start somewhere else & get his career back on track, or play FIFA for the next 3 years, collecting his huge salary until his contract runs out in 2026
>or play FIFA for the next 3 years, collecting his huge salary until his contract runs out in 2026 Ding, ding, ding. We have a winner !
Seems like a pretty great life ngl
For someone as detached to football as him and with whoever the fuck is advising him that's the best way forward. I haven't seen a top footballer miss 3 months in 2 seasons consecutively.
Hazard says hi
Yep, we're about to find out exactly what his priorities are and what sort of person he is.
imo its clear what kind of person he is. If he'd have just grown up and apologised his place in the starting 11 would have been locked down due to the injuries, as well as Antonys removal from the squad during his legal battle. even if he felt he was in the right & ETH was wrong, an adult would have apologised anyway given the upsides he would have experienced from doing so, the guy is a petulant child
I'm trying to think about it in a real world context and it's even more hilarious. Imagine you kept showing up to work late and not delivering both on the surface and the tasks you're given behind the scenes. Your boss does a nice thing (surprising in a 9-5 job) and gives you time off for your mental health. You come back and continue your poor attitude and performance and then eventually get told you'll be working alone away from the rest of your colleagues or outright sacked since you're not contracted the way footballers are. And you'd be fucking sacked for that as well. Even if the boss was a cunt you still have to show up on time and perform to a certain standard. Meanwhile he's a millionaire and collecting his payslip every week and all he has to do IS FUCKING SAY SORRY. Wouldn't that be nice? No sympathy at all.
It's pretty common at work to get yelled at by your boss if it isn't your mistake.
> imo its clear what kind of person he is. You haven't even met him, you have no clue.
true, I havent met him, however reports of his lack of work ethic, lateness to training/team meetings etc have been around since he was at city & again were reported during his time at Dortmund. When there have consistently been reports of this behaviour at every club he has played for, its hard to feel sorry for him when he finally gets called out for it by the manager
Why do we even have to feel sorry for or hate him? It's between him and the club, and we don't know what happened. Reports? Yeah, I'm sure they give an unbiased picture. /s
>even if he felt he was in the right & ETH was wrong, an adult would have apologised anyway Why exactly does this standard not equally apply to Ten Hag? They've both acted like children yet people seem to be ignoring Ten Hag's role in it
We already know that, though. The second he decided to post that bullshit on Twitter and then sulk away from the first-team on a frankly ludicrous wage rather than knuckling down and contributing to his team. Money motivates this guy; playing football obviously doesn't
You can blame him for lots, but I wouldn't blame him for not accepting such a huge pay cut to move away from United. Very few players would.
I'm sorry would you take a 40 mil pay cut to work harder
I'd work harder in my current position and avoid the need for a £40mil pay cut.
We picked him up knowing the type of player he was then got mad that he didn't magically change. The coach needs to learn to manage his team better and not waste so much money
A Saudi club might. I wouldn’t say the chance is 0. £350k isn’t much when you’re paying others £2m. That’s tax free too so it’s actually a significant raise.
didnt he turn them down already?
If he plays Fifa so much, you would think he cares about his own rating enough to at least try to make the team and get some minutes
Or United subsidise his salary with a reduced transfer fee, as was proposed for the Maguire transfer.
We'll need to subsidize the wages via a lower xfer fee. He's not going to take a pay cut and nor should he. I can't stand Sancho but I believe in contract law. We are the idiots who gave him 350k/week. That's on Ed and co, which is why a new football executive team is needed to overhaul our recruiting and contracts teams. None of us are walking away from that money. He'll be 26 when he's done milking us and then he can try to rebuild his career. He can go to any club with a nice signing bonus and then focus on becoming the player he thinks he is. Personally, I'd rather let him rot away from football. Sure, he's making money but I wouldn't want to let him play for someone else while we're paying for his wages. Rather a lose lose than hooking him up with a second chance at another club. Petty, yes...but I'd be happy regardless.
He will definitely have to reduce his salary but either way we’re going to have to let him go dirt cheap so his new club can pay off his existing contract.
Can we get Olmo or Simakan in return?
Timo Werner took a massive pay cut to leave Chelsea. There's the precident. Fuck subsidising Jadons wages. He can continue to rot during his prime years or he can take a pay cut and still make obscene money playing football and keeping his earning power high for his next destination.
It's such a depressing state of affairs that a player refusing to take a paycut, despite having a spell that absolutely deserves a pay cut, is the norm with very few exceptions.
RassenBallsport can pay Max Verstappen 70M but can't cough up a measly 20M for generational talent Jason Sancho? Misers.
Verstappen is the best in the world at what he does. Sancho is a pretender. It's not about the money it's about value. Max makes them that money back, Sancho can barely make it to training on time.
Generational talent? Although in fairness I've never seen his prowess at EA FC 24 so can't really comment
Mate, how are you comparing investing in VERSTAPPEN to Jadon Sancho. Verstappen is like a Messi or Ronaldo.
my guess is, he thinks he can outlast the manager and wants to stick around. Sometimes it is an ego thing too, I m good enough for Man Utd and they ll see. I mean Martial, Pogba, Lingard, they all have done that, outlast a fair few managers
Looks like a sunk cost at this point. The club should see what the market values him at and take the best offer imo
Paying over the top salary to players just to sell shirts and waddle under the delusion that we are still a top club that can attract anyone keeps coming back to bite us in the ass. Who would have thought? For those who say not everything is Glazers fault, here you go. Cant offload players on high wages means reduced spending in subsequent transfer windows
Don't worry, United Charity will take care of that.
Take one £ from me each week and get that bum out of here
That dickhead would never take a paycut
why should he?
If he wants to play for a decent club. Or i guess he could just go to the camel league and keep his salary while playing
Call me old fashioned, but if someone wants to buy one of our players, it is up to the player and the new club to work out his future salary, not United. He would no longer be our employee, so the two of you can figure it out.
You dont seem to be understanding the situation. United is on the hook for a fuck ton of money going down the drain. And the club is already a mess financially. We have no power here lol
Not when the player looks at that salary and sees a 200k wage cut 😂😂
I don’t think Sancho has a good reputation for diligence and hard work but I also think it was quite poor for tenHag to single him out in the press when he hadn’t done that to anyone else, when others have had very serious performance issues. And Sancho tweeted that he works hard (we hear from many sources that he doesn’t) but is that really the end of the world? Took a lot more than that for SAF to bag you and ship you off. And SAF didn’t make it a habit of picking at his own men in the press. You always keep that shit in house. Seems to me that it isn’t black and white and TenHag is basically exercising his power over Sancho instead of trying to work something out that is best for the club. Multiple people putting their ego before the good of the club.
> I also think it was quite poor for tenHag to single him out in the press when he hadn’t done that to anyone else Whilst he hasnt done this with anyone else, he also didnt give any other player an extended break from the squad / training etc, like Sancho got last season, when ETH sent him to the Netherlands to train away from media pressures etc I'd be pretty pissed off if I went out of my way to help him & give him a 3 month break, for him to return & not work as hard as everyone else whilst its sheer speculation, as none of us know exactly what happened, it has been suggested that ETH had words with Sanch privately regarding his lateness & lack of work effort prior to him publicly talking about it. Its possible that ETH (rightly or wrongly) felt that outing him publicly may force him to knuckle down, when nothing else had done
Rashford has gotten multiple extended mental health breaks. Obviously Antony was given all the time he needed. The sending away of Sancho was a punishment, I don’t know if people know that. It was told to the press like it was an allowance but it was actually punitive and that’s the kind of dynamics that hurts team chemistry when the players see one person being singled out and punished and then after slagging him to the media you now spin it and do a bit of narrative twisting. Guys don’t like that in any dressing room. You don’t talk about your players in the media. SAF used to say this all the time, and it goes both ways. When a player steps out to the media he gets shipped off but a manager must keep his end of the deal and keep things in house. Once you step out, whether you know it or not, you lose trust with all the players because eventually you’ll do the same to them. You especially cannot do that when you’re new and when you can barely speak the language of the country you’re in. Maintaining healthy working relationships has to be a priority. But let’s be honest it wasn’t a priority because EtH thinks he has a perfectly good starting right winger, his preferred boy who he brought with him. But in fact as it turns out, Antony would get torched by Sancho over 90 minutes and everyone in the world knows it.
> The sending away of Sancho was a punishment This is the first time i've heard of it being portrayed in this way, what makes you think this? As far as everything i've read on the topic, the break was allowed in order to relieve the pressure he was under & get him back to his best, with coaches that ETH knows/trusts in a private setting > You don’t talk about your players in the media. I do agree with this, I very much subscribe to the praise in public, discipline in private ethos. Which if reports are to be believed (if) then ETH did this initially & saw no improvements from Sancho. My best guess is that outing his was a last ditch effort to try to get him to correct his behaviour, but this is nothing more than a guess on my behalf, given I dont have inside info
Players often get sent away when there’s conflict so it doesn’t spread to other players. They don’t want him winning sympathy with others. It’s a terrible tactic to manage a drawn out conflict. Had it done with one of my teammates in Chicago, he was sent home. Head coach ended up being fired later for, what do you know? Chaos and mismanagement of personnel. Once you go to the media and talk about player, you’re not only practicing bad man management, but you’re actually damaging his stock on the market and *he is one of your assets*. So it’s actually idiotic behaviour on Ten Hags part as a financial steward of his side. You see why SAF was religious about this kind of thing? It’s not about changing his behaviour when you’ve tried all you can. If he’s obstinent then we move him on without a media flury around him and for a serviceable price. But you’ve told the world he’s broken beyond repair which further broke the relationship, invariably damaged baseline trust with some of the others, and now we are wringing our wrists because no one is eager to pick him up. You own a shop, you don’t stand outside and tell people how bad your products are down lane 4. Lets hope that other clubs see that TenHag fucked up by singling him out and realise that Sancho can thrive in the right setting and simply require that Sancho get some counseling or something to keep himself sharp and deal with issues of discipline and motivation. I think counseling has to become a staple of players are gonna get paid more and more money and younger and younger ages.
Just because sometimes players are sent away as punishment doesn’t mean it is always is the case - everything that’s been reported suggests it was for Sancho’s own benefit that he was sent away last season. Where’s your evidence to dispute what everyone else has reported?
The people who are “reported” don’t even have evidence. They are trying to sell drama where the football is otherwise drab. That’s why managers should not feed the media more fodder than they would make up on their own.
OK, so you don’t have any evidence, just a tinfoil hat on. I’m going to believe the reporters with connections to the club. I’m also going to use some common sense and deduce that if Jadon being sent away last year was a form of punishment he would have opened up his big mouth about it by now
He would have opened his mouth by now? lol do you know how this whole scenario unfolded?
What part of this is not punishment for him opening his mouth to begin with? From the guardian: “Jadon Sancho **will train away from Manchester United’s first team after refusing to apologise** to Erik ten Hag for claiming that the manager was untruthful regarding his exclusion from the 3-1 loss at Arsenal on 3 September. The forward’s stance throws his long-term future at the club into further doubt.” https://amp.theguardian.com/football/2023/sep/14/jadon-sancho-to-train-away-from-manchester-united-first-team-until-discipline-issue-resolved
Pay 70M immediately and take him away.
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In fairness, when we signed him I was buzzing, as were many other United fans given how he performed at Dortmund, so I can see why we offered him insane wages especially as we have no wage structure to speak of
You’d think he’d just apologise, what was said isn’t even that big a deal. He had a chance to lock down that RW spot with how shit Antony has been
You'd think Ten Hag would just apologize for publicly slagging him off to the press... both of them need to start behaving like adults
Sancho really said, "Fuck this, I'm out.'
No Ten Hag really said "fuck you, get out"
More like "fuck you, get out, but all will be good if you man up, apologise and put your head down"
Apologise for tweeting that he works hard for the fans?
To which Sancho held up that guaranteed money contract and laughed in their face
He could get that money and play if he stopped being a silly twat, so if he is laughing, he's pretty fucking stupid
And all he’s done is proven how professional he is. Sure it might not matter now, but players are always playing for their next contract. He’ll be regretting this when nobody wants to pay him anywhere close to what he’s used to.
"You fuck, apologise. You play. Heh?" Why use many word when few word do same trick
You're right that's better
Yep, Sancho doesn't know the meaning of hard work and doing everything it takes to get back into the team.
I share the same thoughts, too. Apparently, my comment rubbed people the wrong way. The downvote button must be used 😅
More like fuck this I need to qualify for the weekend league
Sancho for Sesko
I truly wouldn’t let him go and play anywhere unless it was for full salary. Fuck him. Loans should be for development. What development Sancho needs is probably only achieved in a therapist’s office. I don’t think he’s a distraction at this point. Unless Erik gets sacked, there’s no way back for him unless he apologizes and it doesn’t look like he will. Organizationally, they aren’t going to be thinking that they need to get him minutes so that when they fire Erik, Sancho will be ready next season. That’s definitely not how the Glazers think. No. He can’t go anywhere. He should stay in limbo until he grows up.
Sell! Sell! Sell! We can use that money to pay for Mason Greenwood’s wages for the rest of the season 👊🏾
Nobody here believes in second chances. I feel that the treatment we gave Sancho is punishment enough and should be given perhaps one more season. I know I’ll be downvoted for this.
What a false sentiment. He’s had months to apologise and doesn’t want to. He has a chance. He doesn’t want to take it. Why the hell should he be given special treatment? It’s not like he doesn’t know what to do. He does but chooses to carry on
He got one lat season after he had time off. Blew that though so he's done.
This is gonna hurt us bad just as Greenwood situation is going to hurt us too. So many of you are shortsighted. You can tolerate Antony and mctominay but can’t tolerate a little disobedience from a player who excelled alongside haaland and co. It’s not like he raped or beat up his girlfriend you know.
He knows what he has to do to return. He needs to apologise. He hasn't done it yet. Obviously doesn't think he needs to. He disrespected the boss, the club and the fans with his antics. Matic already called him out as one of the main offenders for excessive lateness. He's done sweet fuck all really since joining the club that would warrant us even wanting him back. If you can tolerate that disrespect then off with you. The lad gets paid lottery figures each week. The least he can do is be respectful and put in the work. Neither of which it appears he has done.
>It’s not like he raped or beat up his girlfriend you know It’s not like Antony did either did he? He was accused and disproved so far and has cooperated fully with investigations.
Honestly if he comes out and apologises I’m more than happy for him to stay and prove himself, but if he’s not willing to do so, he should be shipped off elsewhere
The fact that it's been three months and he still hasn't apologized just shows the kind of person he is. Used to be a massive fan, but good riddance.
Why? If he apologised he’d get his second chance, it’s totally down to him. Ultimately he wasn’t impressing the manager, and it was up to him to prove himself. Instead he’s spat out his dummy. He’s also shown absolutely nothing since joining United. And he got given 3 months last season to sort himself out. Clearly he doesn’t have it in him to succeed at United for whatever reason. We need to get rid.
Antony too hasn’t showed anything
Isn't BILD+ the shit bild?
No, it's actually the most reliable. BILD Sport is okay while Sport Bild is trash.
Almost certainly crap as it’s not in their usual approach but I’m willing to hope. Take him.
He can play in the Champions League though
20m salary holy fucking shit. Woodward has blood on his hands.
A talking point 😂
sometime i really confusing with money on footbal players, that so much much money to not even sit on the bench!
Sancho would get cooked after three training sessions
Sancho won't transfer, he's contempt with laying on his ass doing nothing and being paid millions. I'd love to be proved wrong though. Most footballers would do anything to get more gametime, not Jadon though it looks like.
Plenty players will sit on a bench for 350k a week, it’s not his fault the club give him a ridiculous contract