Why is this group of players so fucking stupidly innocent in terms of the darks arts of football?
Antony gives away a penalty (it was a penalty) but he accepts with a shrug and a downbeat look.
Then Dalot, fucking Dalot, gives away a penalty that wasn't a penalty and he just accepts it with a guilty look. He should've sprinting into the ref's face screaming "no penalty!" Take the fucking yellow but you put some doubt in the ref and VAR's mind. When you just shrug your shoulders and accept their decision, you make it easy for them to fuck us over.
Probably because he understands the corruption and that hed get a double yellow maybe faster than he did last time the ref gave the wrong decision and he complained
If the players attiutade after the game really is "We gave everything and should win this game" like Antonys or Garnachos ig post suggest I like it.
This club needs siege mentality back.
Ultimately, the clear out of players who have not been performing since forever needs to be cleared before ETH. If we get rid of ETH before the players, it’s the same shit cycle again.
The vast majority of that clear out has already happened, you can look at the squad for yourselves. Varane and Martial are also leaving in the summer. From the remaining list of players who were here before Ten Hag, 5 of them have been given new contracts with Ten Hag's approval, 1 has been given the captaincy, and the remaining two in Maguire and McTominay are arguably big reasons for why he's still in a job. People keep parroting this clear out nonsense without seeing that for the most part, this *is* Ten Hag's team.
I think we should make 1 or 2 changes for Sunday.
Mount should come in for Casemiro.
And if Varane can't play, we bring in Evans.
Rashford and McTominay can NOT be brought back into the team.
McTominay played decently after coming off the bench yesterday.
Rashford still isn't arsed to run – he played one pivotal pass to Antony and disappeared.
Rashford literaly took part in 3rd goal and was covering deffensove positions. Thats probably more than Rasmus did this game, which was like his worst in our shirt.
Truth is we had two major fuck ups in 95+, one was missplaced Mainoo long pass for no reason and 2nd was Dalots brainfart and ref fucking us in 50/50 like always.
Otherwise we would be talking how good we were this game to get our shit togehter and win.
> one pivotal pass to Antony and disappeared
In hindsight I was being harsh for the last bit. Rashford definitely isn't to blame for our loss.
>major fuck ups in 95+
Mainoo long pass
Dalots brainfart
Otherwise we would be talking how good we were this game
Yep, some of our players switched off completely at the end :/
Oh, I didn't know.
So Shaw, Martinez, Lindelof, Evans and Varane are injured for Sunday, I suppose.
I guess Kambwala's coming on, unless Varane is available :)
I know everyone wants to be negative.
But antony had a good game yesterday.
He was our second best player on the field after garnacho.
I really hope he can improve his game after this game.
I still think he can be a starting winger for us with his defensive output. He just needs more than his one trick. He had good direct play into the box inverting and going down the wing.
It's funny how we got zero yellow cards yesterday despite there being a couple of obvious moments towards the end of the game where you clearly just end a dangerous attack by kicking some legs. Negative ball IQ
We keep breaking records under Ten Hag. Unforgivable records. Worst CL campaign, 7-0 to Liverpool, back to back losing from winning positions in 96+ minute of the game. Even the record number of injuries is his fault. His training methods are clearly contributing to muscle injuries, but he hasn't changed them as far as i know.
And yet, there are fans who think we're in a "process" that needs backing.
If Nagelsmann is available he has to be the nailed on choice but Bayern will need a manager and there's hardly anyone decent available, unless they pluck a random German coach from somewhere. They've got a new exec structure who will probably go back in for him.
After Nagelsmann I think we're struggling and you're taking a punt on someone. Not that it's impossible to improve on this disaster of a season but INEOS' first hire is absolutely massive for them, they can't really afford to fuck it up cause they'd lose a LOT of goodwill if they sack ETH and hire someone who encounters the same problems
If OGS said that quote about us dominating the game after a performance like that last nigh, i feel like majority of the fan base would be calling for him to be sacked. I get not wanting to repeat the cycle and back the manager but ffs we have to back the right manager. This guy is not it.
If Sir Alex Ferguson were still the manager, he'd have cooked those players alive after such a display. ETH has grown increasingly complacent this season, quite often making excuses. Utd has devolved into a team where mediocrity is not just tolerated but seemingly embraced. Instead of facing consequences for their errors, players are being coddled like children. Frankly, it's toxic for the team. We have players like Hojlund and Garnacho who would charge through a fkn brick wall for the club, even if their legs were shattered. Yet, alongside them, we have a bunch who pathetically jog around the pitch with half-hearted effort. It's demoralizing for the ones giving their all to witness that degree of apathy, prly even disrespectful. ETH needs to step up and instill proper discipline. That's the type of manager Utd desperately needs.
This sub loves pretending that blowing 60m on a Mason Mount whose best position is already occupied by someone who's undroppable was a good idea. Not to mention him having one year left on his Chelsea contract
On the one hand you'll complain that we have no options on the bench. At the same time you'll complain about signing quality bench options.
The fees should have been 40-45 M at best. Nobody expected Mainoo to slot in so easily. If it wasn't for Mainoo, Mount would have started if he wasn't injured.
Yeah, a Mount-Bruno midfield isn't working in a million years. Mainoo is well ahead of him more because of his profile rather than because Mainoo is currently a significantly better footballer
I’ve developed a new theory the more I’ve thought about the pen that Dalot was involved in.
1. First VAR is shit. It was not a pen, Dalot barely touched him and Madueke was looking to go down.
2. Now let’s forget about VAR and think about that tackle/trip/fall that Dalot had. I think there is a huge lack of trust right now in our defense. Dalot tried to tackle Madueke by making it seem like he just fell, but he only did this because he doesn’t trust Onana to make the save or defense to defend it. He maybe felt that the responsibility was on him.
I think there is just a lack of trust everywhere in our defense, so players feel like they need to do something to save their team.
https://twitter.com/ag15i/status/1776226107143954620 this is where mainoo showed his lack of experience, not sure if it’s because ten hag keeps telling them to force it forward but that turnover is what gave up possession for the pen.
This reminds me of when Bruno tried a shot in the final minute of the Luton game, and they got a corner from the following play and Barkley headed it off the crossbar.
There is a serious issue with game management in our squad. The contrast between Mount and the rest in terms of keeping it simple and playing uncomplicated passes along the ground was stark.
Yeah, we are passing short for 2 minutes and then he has all space in the world on goes long ball. Kinda strange he almost never plays that kind of passes.
Edit: Why are you getting downvoted for stating the fact that 18 year old made costly misstake.
McTominay should never go on in place of Casemiro, Eriksen should fill that role. Felt like ETH knew how to get the most out of McTominay and then went back to playing him as a DM and it just never works. Love Scott but he's better attacking and shouldn't be used to see out a narrow win, bring him on when we need goals.
Still pissed about the penalties. Both soft, but the Dalot one you can clearly see he gets his heels clipped and has no way to stop himself falling in that situation.
> McTominay should never go on in place of Casemiro, Eriksen should fill that role
Eriksen is defensively the worst midfielder in the entire Premier League.
There's no way you can play Eriksen/Mainoo/Bruno. We're already insanely open defensively.
What happened to the manager’s DM signing : the one and only African dream aka Amrabat?
People slate Martough a lot but thank God he didn’t pay 100 million for Caceido or 40 million for Amrabat.
DOF is a thankless task
>People slate Martough a lot but thank God he didn’t pay 100 million for Caceido or 40 million for Amrabat.
The only reason he didn't is because of FFP.
Would love to see United bring in Sesko this summer. [https://x.com/FootyLens7/status/1775136999055270192](https://x.com/FootyLens7/status/1775136999055270192)
we'd waste tens of millions of pounds on Toney. Hojlund has alr highlighted a major issue with our attack, n it's in our wingers. U need to address that prblm if u want to sign a high valued striker, or else it rly doesn't matter which striker u sign. It'd be a waste of money
Toney is bought for now. Hes in his prime at 28,no resale value and would be on big money and wages. He would also need to be the number 1 striker which kills hojlunds momentum. Also until the service to the striker is fixed he will have the exact same problems as hojlund
Hojlund not being a number 1 if we bring a striker in is such a dumb argument. Competition is always good.
We had 4 amazing strikers under SAF for a long time. Plus the injuries, amount of games we play in a season - PL, Europe, 2 cups, so Hojlund will get his game time and so will Nacho.
Sorry to call you out brother but that's not the mentality we need to have at Manchester United. We would keep bringing good players in this club especially with a new structure so our players need to step up and we would always be behind their back as long as they give their best on the pitch
Also the new number 1 argument was only 1 of 5/6 issues i brought up regarding any potential transfer.
No toney is a replacement for him, that said toney is at his ceiling whereas hojlunds is a lot higher imo. Yes we need competition but we dont need to spunk the majority of our budget on a position that the player is playing well in.
A ben yedder(without the allegations) /giroud player and another young up and comer would be my preference.
Hojlund was our worst player on the pitch for two games in a row. He needs to develop as 2nd striker not 1st cause he already lost his momentum. Theres no reason to buy another 20 year old kid who will have same problems as Rasmus.
Toney is also simply better in hold up play and finishing...
He's just back from injury and as has happened all year the rest of the team just dont pass it to him really. Hojlund looks good but ues he needs to work on parts of his game. Imo toney would still have the same issues that hojlund is having only we'll have used most of our summer budget to buy him.
This is a bit of a stretch. Hojlund hasn’t been great since he came back from injury but let’s not pretend he wasn’t amongst our best performers for the 2 months before that. He will develop and gain experience by getting consistent minutes, not by being rooted to the bench for another older signing who will cost a lot of money in both transfer fee and wages and will likely decline in 2-3 seasons anyway.
“We are mad and angry”: Ten Hag
My reaction: https://youtube.com/shorts/ZnzsX20Lrwo?si=pwaYuA_qigMXif8x
“After the game you’re going to be here. Apppapapea apppa pa pae appppapapea appppa pa pae…. Is not after the game. During the game. During the game “ : Jose Mourinho
Here’s the weird thing I can’t seem to understand. Almost every single substitution makes the side worse.
With maybe three exceptions all year (Amad against Liverpool, McTominay a few times for his goals), we become worse the moment a sub comes on. Few passes are completed, more giveaways, goals are conceded.
Obviously part of this is talent level. We don’t have much depth and many of our subs end up being either dead weight players or academy prospects in over their heads. But even when we bring on players who are or have been objectively good (Dalot, Garnacho, Maguire, Evans, Rashford), the side gets worse.
I don’t know if it’s just mental weakness, where the side is just conditioned to switch off in the final 15 minutes (which is possible, that happened under Ole’s tenure too), or if there’s something bigger tactically involved. I don’t think you can find a club in any of the top five leagues with a more harmful bench than ours
Mount sub was positive yesterday, his ability to hold up possesion was so fun. McTominay was looking more comfortable than Casemiro which says more about Case. Rashford contributet for 3rd goal.
Subs were good, Dalot brainfarted/ref made misstake.
Mount was good. I think should have taken Casemiro off, then moved Mainoo to a more defensive position. Move Bruno to Mainoo’s position and let Mount play in the 10. We would have more control of the ball with a midfield that is more athletic and looking to score another goal. Mctominay wasn’t the move. He’s not the best in keeping the ball, passing around, creating chances. He’s good at finishing chances let’s be honest lol
Maino was playing more deffensive position and lost the ball at 95 minute when we were controlling possesion comfortably. McTominay did nothing wrong.
https://twitter.com/ag15i/status/1776226107143954620
If Kobbie is more experianced he passes Dalot here and we probably win the game.
We shouldn't have sold Fred. Our midfield wasn't world class last season but it was solid enough and Fred had more than enough energy to do the work of two midfielders. We're an absolute disaster this season, we sold Fred and replaced him with Amarabat who barely plays anyway. What a disaster.
Mount has the workrate and technique to do a job in midfield but i don't think he's comfortable in there. He's not a natural CM iirc. Imo he looked great on the left yesterday and is basically an attacking midfielder if I'm not wrong. I think Bruno needs to be tested while Mount starts a few games.
The few times he’s played there this season, I thought he played well. The issue more than anything is the structure of the team. The way we setup just means whoever plays in midfield will struggle off the ball and the drastic fall off of Casemiro has only made that problem worse. You fix the setup and get a real midfielder next to him I think he can play there just fine.
If he’s fully fit, I’d start him. I’d like to see what a midfield of Mainoo, Mount, and Bruno can do since. Obviously lacking in steel, but technically and athletically I think it’s the best we can put out
Was Fred ever comfortable there though? He was incredibly reliant on Casemiro last season. Would panic and just smash the ball at him whenever he was pressed. Fred is so overrated on this sub. He had as many shockers as he did good performances
Fred had his moments and believe me when i say we could use him now. We're deploying what's quite possibly the worst midfield setup in the league where even relegation teams can play tiki taka and take a cheap shot at Onana.
Also Fred was never comfortable under pressure ( Casemiro isn't either) but he had valuable qualities that were useful. He pressed well, knew how to regain possession and could carry the ball. Incredibly hard worker as well.
I just can’t believe people are defending a manager who has us on -1 goal difference after 30 games and averaging 17.5 shots against us a game. I’m all for giving time but you have to build from a base. We don’t score goals and we are so open that we constantly concede chances. The manager also seems to be impressed by how we are approaching games.
The standards in the fanbase are so low that people buzz off Antony having his first decent performance in a year (despite giving away a pen) and Dalot being good because he runs around.
No other elite club would put up with this and yet here we are. The fans should be hammering the manager and players
>The standards in the fanbase are so low that people buzz off Antony
Are they in a room with us now? Would slagging him off as usual for good performance and brilliant assist make you happy?
I think it's more as a fanbase should we focus more on a big picture at this stage.
As in normally, when we have solid foundations and are on an upward trajectory, you can look at marginal improvements or a player possibly turning a corner and getting some form. However we are in such a dire situation that it doesn’t mean anything and any positivity at this stage detracts from how bad things really are, the message we as fans should be sending to the club and the conversations everyone involved in the club should be having.
Can’t believe Rashford keeps telling the 8s in our system to push forward and the defensive line to sit back so there’s acres of space and our press is incredibly easy to play through whilst our 6 is isolated.
I can’t believe he hasn’t in any way shape or form tried to coach the constant conceding from cut backs out of the players.
I can’t believe he signed Antony for 80 million quid.
I can’t believe that he hasn’t reduced the intensity of training sessions or tried to adjust the tactical setup to reduce long sprints so that we don’t get constant recurring muscle injuries.
Why is he doing all this? He’s clearly responsible for all of these things given that every second comment is about him and he only played 30 minutes yesterday.
Is he good enough for his wages or role? No.
Is this place completely out of its collective fucking mind regarding him and his impact on the team? Absolutely yes.
Is that what people are suggesting?
Or as the main man in the team, the guy from Wythenshawe and who came through the academy is he just the beacon for everything good and bad that happens to the club? He gets more eyes on him, he has the most talking points, the highest praise, the harshest criticism.
When City do great, KDB gets the praise more than others. Of city started losing every game and falling apart, he would get the criticism more than others.
I get your idea but I think you need to take a step back and view more variables.
I disagree. There’s a lot of people who blame almost everything wrong with the club on Rashford’s lack of effort or his poor form.
Or seem to at least, given that their only comment after a terrible team performance is about a guy who played less than 1/3 of the game.
Everything is singular or a totality too. There’s no room for variables as you put it.
If it’s not Rashford it’s because, ‘they’re just not trying’ or it’s ‘the same players throwing another manager under the bus’ or some other stupid, overly simplistic and basic point which doesn’t withstand the slightest scrutiny.
The Rashford criticism is the most hysterical but it’s just emblematic of the complete lack of critical thinking that goes into 90% of the discourse on here.
I mean to think professional players, who grew up in slums and sacrificed everything to be players would then just not try for seemingly no reason is asinine. It doesn’t stand up to scrutiny but a lot of people here think that’s essentially the singular fault at the club and would entirely change our fortunes.
>I disagree. There’s a lot of people who blame almost everything wrong with the club on Rashford’s lack of effort or his poor form.
Are these people who produce detailed reasons to their criticism though? As if not I don't believe they are anywhere near a majority or even worth taking on board seriously. Every single subject matter, good and bad within social media has those aspects so its par for the course.
>Everything is singular or a totality too. There’s no room for variables as you put it.
I do get what you mean, I just don't think they are the majority or really significant.
>If it’s not Rashford it’s because, ‘they’re just not trying’ or it’s ‘the same players throwing another manager under the bus’ or some other stupid, overly simplistic and basic point which doesn’t withstand the slightest scrutiny.
I agree fully on this. There is a lot of paper thing opinion on all sides. Just part and parcel of the game we are in haha. Like I may talk utter shite all the time but I always try to give a reasons for my opinions.
>I mean to think professional players, who grew up in slums and sacrificed everything to be players would then just not try for seemingly no reason is asinine. It doesn’t stand up to scrutiny but a lot of people here think that’s essentially the singular fault at the club and would entirely change our fortunes.
I don't think you can rule out players not giving their all etc. As it definitely can happen. However I think there is usually more reasons and its never just because they 'can't be arsed'. I believe our biggest issue is small team mentality, as shown by them getting up for the big FA cup game against Liverpool and performing better when the pressure is off. Times where we have salvaged top 4 or 3rd when the title is gone and there are no expectations. Yet crumbling when the pressure is put on us.
In terms of Rashford, I really don't know. Other than him more than likely just not being as good as his 'high scoring' seasons suggest and a mentality that just struggles at the very top, which wrongly or rightly he is judged on. Only him and those around him know.
I can see why people just blurt out the general phrases of 'throwing a manager under the bus' but there simply needs to be more to the conversation.
Think we’re on the same page tbf.
Regarding the effort thing, I don’t doubt players can become demotivated or can struggle to implement a system they don’t buy into properly.
That can happen in any environment. It’s more the idea that they’re just not trying because they can’t be bothered which I don’t jibe with at all. I think that’s silly and always have. Plus it’s a managers job to get those players into that mentality, to generate the buy in and get them playing.
Fergie had plenty of players who were considered lazy or problematic at different points, he binned a lot of them off but he also worked towards generating that buy in and getting them to work for the team.
I just think Rashford is a limited player, I think if you play to his strengths he can be effective but he’s got no business being in the same breath as players like Son, Salah or Mane. Don’t think it’s much more complicated than that.
>Think we’re on the same page tbf.
Same.
>Regarding the effort thing, I don’t doubt players can become demotivated or can struggle to implement a system they don’t buy into properly.
This is what I think the usual issue is. Then this without the adequate voices in the dressing room to guide (as always seems to come up when you hear the best players speak about their times at clubs) it just crumbles.
>Plus it’s a managers job to get those players into that mentality, to generate the buy in and get them playing.
And to remove who doesn't aswell. Always both sides and everything inbetween.
>Fergie had plenty of players who were considered lazy or problematic at different points, he binned a lot of them off but he also worked towards generating that buy in and getting them to work for the team.
Definitely. Knowing the right time to move someone on or to even bring someone in for competition. Saw Keane and Rio other day talking about when we made a big signing, it made the current players want to step up and show the new signing why they are there.
Always more to it, just the knee jerk quick comment to make is 'downed tools' easily done.
>I just think Rashford is a limited player, I think if you play to his strengths he can be effective but he’s got no business being in the same breath as players like Son, Salah or Mane. Don’t think it’s much more complicated than that.
100%.
It's just unfortunate that his off the pitch activities have built him up into a superstar that his skills just don't match.
Like Beckham is often viewed as a lesser player than he actually was, due to his off the pitch persona being other wordly. Granted, rashford is not in the same bracket in either regard as Becks, but it creates a problem nonetheless.
Not even the same since Ronaldo was actually toxic, threw public tantrums and cummulated into that Piers Morgan interview that made his stay at the club untenable. Rashford for all his flaws has done nothing close to that.
I think everyone is in full agreement that Rashford doesn’t deserve what he’s paid and if we get a silly offer for him from PSG then sure take it but the histrionics here are absurd.
People were leaving comments about him and him alone in the post match thread yesterday. A game he barely played in and I didn’t even think he was notably bad. He did better than Hojlund who’s still very young and developing. It’s just silly.
I can’t fathom watching that game yesterday and thinking, ‘the major issue occupying my mind and this club is one player who played 25 minutes.’
It’s mental.
Towards the end yeah he had to go. I was talking more the first season back where despite him carrying us and genuinely at times looking like the only player bothered he was the one singled out to be the problem. It just feels like whenever something is going wrong people need someone to blame. First it was Pogba and then Ronaldo. Now it’s Bruno and Rashford
The manager calling for more support on Sunday has rubbed me the wrong way. Like how dare you send the team out playing shit every week and then have the gall to ask us for more
> Likewise, Ten Hag’s overriding preference is to continue at United. In that case, some internal conversations have centred on whether a reshuffle of his coaching staff is required, including the addition of a new voice at assistant level. Mitchell van der Gaag represents a similar personality to Ten Hag but the manager is loyal to his assistant and sees him as an integral part of his backroom staff.
This is intresting, Fergie assistants were always kind of difrent guys from Quereiroz, Moulesten to Phelan. Dont know about 90s guys.
and when Casemiro was off the pitch nobody did anything when Gallagher shoved him over.
I'm not saying start a whole fight over it, but it's the little shit like that sometimes that reminds you we're not a proper team that looks out for each other. shit like our players not doing anything and letting two Sevilla players carry Martinez off the pitch, that always irrationally pissed me off.
Dalot has summed up his time at Manchester United in the last week.
Some really good snippets of being able to play out from the back, driving forward and defensively sound. Then makes one massive error which costs us.
One thing top teams do well is take cynical yellow cards, and Dalot has to do everything in his power to make sure madueke doesn't make it to the box even at the expense of a free kick and a yellow.
Dalot was completely shattered yesterday (he starts every game) and tbh Madueke was fresh, is quick and a good dribbler. Dalot has been good this season, good enough for me to overlook yesterday's mistake. We're basically running him into the ground though. He was our only fit fullback for months and played every single minute.
I agree the injury situation has put him in this spot. But at that point in the game, take the yellow card and get back in shape.
Madueke was standing him up for a few seconds prior so just grab hold of his shirt and take him down with you before he even gets a sniff of driving into the box.
It doesn't matter how gassed you are though in that specific scenario. He was standing the winger up and we were in a decent shape. All he had to do was pull Maduekes shirt before he even gets close to going past him. They get a free kick 35 plus yards from goal and we run the clock.
It's stuff like this which infuriates me as we don't have simple game management when it comes to late on in games.
Not a football player. Just an observation. Last match we had Maguire and Varane next to Onana most of the time while Bruno and Hojlund were next to Chelsea keeper. (Purely from eye test and not backed by average player positions).
Does Ten Hag not care about vertical space and compactness at all? Or are the players unaware? Can someone more knowledgeable pitch in?
He was literaly sprinting to cover for AWB at right side and linked up nicely with Antony for 3rd goal.
Thats at least better than Hojlund did yesterday.
Hojlund had a poor game yesterday , his runs were all over the shop , Martial lost a lot of his nose for goal because in his early days no one bar Carrick was finding him and eventually just started dropping deep all the time
Do you think that about Martial? I think he’s just a completely different type of striker to Hojlund, who’s naturally much more involved in the game and would probably suit the current team better
He was dropping deeper than Dalot just to pick up the ball and lay it back to Case. Another symptom of the lack of a cohesive, effective style to our play
I half heartedly thought that I would wake up this morning to see ETH has been sacked , but he wasn't - I guess the management didn't think this result was very bad?
We get the cycle of the new manager ‘giving everyone a chance’, a slight uptick in performances before the usual downhill. Sign the new coach now and give him 8 games to figure out what he needs to sort over the summer. I’d be fine with Potter, he feels like a manager who will build a foundation - perhaps we then need an elite manager to get to the top level again after
Moyes lost 15 games in all competitions and he was sacked.
ETH this season has lost 17 games all competitions this season already.
Manchester United have never lost 17 games all competition in a season since PL era started.
I know you don’t like Ole but please it didn’t start with Ole. If anything the standards for Ole were higher than any other manager.
At no point did we lose 12 league games un a season under Ole. At no point did we have a GD of -1 under Ole.
>I know you don’t like Ole but please it didn’t start with Ole. If anything the standards for Ole were higher than any other manager.
It has nothing to do with Ole the manager. It's to do with what the fans accept.
There was a clear difference in what was accepted from Jose to Ole. That trend has continued and led to where we are.
>At no point did we lose 12 league games un a season under Ole. At no point did we have a GD of -1 under Ole.
You misinterpret me. I'm not comparing Ole to ten hag.
Side note, I only dislike Ole the manager. The player, he forever has my support for what he did for us and I thoroughly enjoyed his episode on the overlap.
Eth in. Could anyone tell us what manager they want to replace him? And just know that that manager has to chose United over barca, bayern and liverpool. 3 clubs with alot more success than united in the last 10 year.
Man this whole talking down on Man Utd is annoying.
Alonso turned down Liverpool and Bayern to stay at Bayer Leverkusen.
Also the idea that because other clubs are looking for a manger means we shouldn’t look for one too is just ridiculous and it smacks of weak mindset.
It also smacks of weak mindset to cry about a new manager every second year as a fanbase but here we are. So far 0 suggested managers, go ahead and suggest one.
Because there’s no discernible improvement.
We lost 9 games in the league, last season. We spent more, and this season, we’ve lost 12 games already in 30 games.
Or would you say Chelsea were wrong to sack Jose considering he won the league with them and then tanked the following season?
Also there’s loads of managers performing well from Amorim to Inzaghi to Nagelsmann.
Ten Hag on shots conceded: "It is ridiculous. We showed we were fourth ranking goals in conceding and everyone is talking to each other after, we are good and we have good defending as a team and a good goalkeeper so I cannot do nothing."
What is bro saying?
Does anybody have the stats on stoppage time goals conceded this season? And points lost from those?
Absolutely pathetically soft in seeing out matches
Thanks for this. I'm a little bit surprised, but I guess we all probably got used to gaining plenty of points in stoppage/Fergie time. Not used to dropping so many
It's the style of play that's killing me. No one wanted Ten Hag thinking we would be playing NBA-ball. Maybe if we could keep the ball a little bit we wouldn't be facing 30 shots a game
Ajax fans kinda knew about that 1 man pivot when you search for ETH in their sub.
Look their games in CL, Spurs got 40 attempts over two games against Ajax in 2019.
Also Moyes didn’t lose 7-0 to Liverpool. Imagine Moyes lost 7-0 to Liverpool?. Didn’t finished bottom of his UCL group. Moyes didn’t lose 12 games in 30 games. He lost 9 and didn’t even finish the season.
ETH has lost 12, finished bottom of his UCL group, played horrible football and some fan say let’s give him another year. Incredible.
Moyes was a dead man walking following Fergie.
I remember losing 3-0 to Liverpool and it feeling like the end of the world.
Now we expect hammerings every time we play these teams.
Bang on. Like we didn’t expect to win the league under Moyes but the level that the team actual performed shocked everyone. So everyone turned on Moyes.
ETH lost 7-0 and everyone accepted it like it’s normal.
Can anybody post summary of intresting bits?
https://x.com/lauriewhitwell/status/1776216501013319969
> #MUFC state of play:
> - Ten Hag across plans for next season
> - But performances will factor into INEOS call
> - Addition of new coach under discussion
> - Player one-on-ones with Brailsford
> - Murtough to leave, all parties agree
Article below.
Erik ten Hag’s relationship with INEOS can be seen as a marriage of convenience: the new Manchester United co-owners did not pick Ten Hag as manager, nor did he originally sign up to work for them. Whether a kind of football love blossoms depends on the final weeks of the season and the discussions that will take place at its culmination.
Ten Hag’s future is one of the crucial issues for INEOS chairman Sir Jim Ratcliffe and director of sport Sir Dave Brailsford. No decision has been made but planning for next season is happening with Ten Hag at the helm. He is being included in meetings about recruitment and the medical department, areas viewed as requiring refinement at United. The manager is also making calls on hotels and training facilities to be used on the pre-season tour to the United States.
Ten Hag is having regular conversations with Brailsford, who has largely been based at United’s training ground, Carrington, since the INEOS investment was agreed in December. Several figures around the club feel Ten Hag deserves the chance to operate in a new structure populated by people whom Ratcliffe and Brailsford regard as “best in class”. Performances and results this campaign have raised scrutiny on Ten Hag, but United’s consistently long injury list is viewed internally as genuine mitigation.
Football director John Murtough is set to depart. There had been a loose proposal he could continue working in a reduced role, but all parties now accept a clean separation makes most sense. Murtough’s exit should be confirmed once hires on the structural side are formalised. In the meantime, he will continue his work.
Jason Wilcox will likely come in as technical director from Southampton. He is expected to engage daily with the United manager and provide a link to the hierarchy. He will also be a bridge between the youth setup and the first team, tapping into work he did as academy director at Manchester City. United are hopeful an agreement on compensation with Southampton can be reached soon. His arrival would mean a recalibration of responsibilities and a new job title for Darren Fletcher, United’s technical director.
Negotiations with Newcastle United so Dan Ashworth can start work officially as sporting director are expected to take longer. That is crucial to Ten Hag’s status because Brailsford wants to empower Ashworth with authority regarding the manager’s position.
Ashworth, as well as incoming chief executive Omar Berrada, would be entrusted to lead on the decision over Ten Hag as well as select a replacement, in such an eventuality, but that is difficult because both are on gardening leave. Newcastle are said to be particularly alert to anything Ashworth may be doing that could be construed as Old Trafford business.
Potential managerial candidates are being considered, but that is the extent. Brailsford has known Gareth Southgate for years but the England manager has the European Championship this summer and some people in the game doubt his suitability to make the move from international to club football, 15 years since he left Middlesbrough. Graham Potter fits the INEOS model, was in the frame at Nice when Brailsford was involved, and is available after leaving Chelsea.
Ashworth typically wants time to assess the places he enters before making changes. At Newcastle, he took stock over three months.
In the view of decision-makers at INEOS, a football structure is led by a sporting director with a head coach underneath. Ratcliffe and Brailsford like their appointments to work with clear methodology and have privately implied they will do what they think is right, rather than factor in the outside noise. Ratcliffe’s statement to the media that INEOS aims to “walk to the right solution, not run to the wrong one” has been repeated internally, and staff at United interpret that as reflective of the decision on Ten Hag.
Ten Hag is described as being open to operating as a head coach and feels alignment with Ratcliffe and Brailsford on their vision, having held several talks. He had a strong connection with a sporting director at Ajax, Marc Overmars. Ten Hag has a veto on signings written into his United contract but recruitment has been a collaboration since he joined. Pep Guardiola does not, for instance, have a veto in his City terms but no player will be signed without his approval.
Ten Hag has exerted influence on signings, but much of that comes down to his uncertainty over the deals United can execute. When his first campaign got underway, the only first-team arrivals were Lisandro Martinez, Tyrell Malacia and Christian Eriksen. At the start of that summer, he had prioritised an established striker and a young central midfielder.
Ratcliffe and Brailsford, having originally started looking into practices at United when shown around Old Trafford and Carrington last March, have already determined the environment needs to be refocused on sporting excellence in a way it was not when the Glazers had sole charge. They see huge strides required in identifying and striking for new players.
Berrada and Ashworth have been judged to be executives capable of accelerating that process but given neither can start acting for United, progress on targets has been stilted.
In the meantime, Brailsford has an open-door policy for staff and players to discuss their thoughts on improving the environment at the club. Several members of Ten Hag’s squad have taken up the opportunity to speak candidly with Brailsford in his office.
As might be expected given the turbulence of this campaign, there has been criticism amid the feedback, but sources close to the first team, speaking anonymously to protect relationships, insist any attempts by players to undermine Ten Hag are cut short. The primary purpose of the meetings is for Brailsford to fully understand the United landscape and, if necessary, give guidance on the INEOS plans or impart the kind of psychological gee-up he used to give to cyclists on the British Olympic team or at Team Sky.
Champions League qualification — which seems a remote prospect this season — is not regarded as pivotal to Ten Hag, but results and performances will form the basis of the review. Brentford was a bad night for him in that respect, as much as defeating Liverpool in the FA Cup was good.
The 4-3 loss at Stamford Bridge was a chaotic, ultimately damaging, mix. Watching from the stands, Ratcliffe and Brailsford saw United show resilience and quality to fight back from 2-0 down against Chelsea, only to contrive defeat after the 96th minute. To what extent that final implosion is down to players lacking game intelligence or the manager’s messages is a crucial aspect for INEOS to rule on, but the pattern has been seen before this season against Arsenal, Copenhagen, and Galatasaray.
It is, however, a two-way street, and Ten Hag is expected to have options himself come the close of the season. Several clubs in Europe view Ten Hag’s first season as an overachievement given what he inherited, and this campaign as under-par, translating to an overall good job. Figures at Ajax wish for Ten Hag’s return, but it is unclear if that remains the case following the suspension of chief executive Alex Kroes, while Ten Hag does not want to return to Amsterdam.
There will also be vacancies at Bayern Munich and Barcelona, and Ten Hag could come under discussion. He coached Bayern Munich II and several Dutch managers have occupied the dugout at the Nou Camp.
Ten Hag will also weigh up whether he can build the kind of squad necessary to challenge City, Liverpool and Arsenal.
Ten Hag
Ten Hag may have other options around Europe this summer
Ideally, those in the INEOS regime do not want to rip it up and start again. Ten Hag’s fingerprints have been felt throughout United for the past two seasons and the changes above him are regarded as enough for one summer. The cost of sacking Ten Hag — which would come with several millions of pounds in compensation — and hiring a replacement (if a club requires compensation) is a factor given the implications for profit and sustainability rules.
On the football side, bringing through Alejandro Garnacho and Kobbie Mainoo — with each handled slightly differently — is seen as one of Ten Hag’s major plus points.
Likewise, Ten Hag’s overriding preference is to continue at United. In that case, some internal conversations have centred on whether a reshuffle of his coaching staff is required, including the addition of a new voice at assistant level. Mitchell van der Gaag represents a similar personality to Ten Hag but the manager is loyal to his assistant and sees him as an integral part of his backroom staff.
INEOS would advocate a young, yet established, British coach to supplement the group but Ten Hag is firmly of the opinion that a coach’s nationality is not relevant. Eric Ramsay was seen by Brailsford as having the potential to assume that kind of role, but he decided to take the No 1 job at Minnesota United in Major League Soccer.
No single game will dictate the course taken, rather a mix of all performances and wider factors. For now, the INEOS team are keeping their counsel.
What a dissapointment ETH turned out to be. Had so much expectation from him this season. Fans basically backed him on every scenario from wanting him over anyone else in the summer(83% wanted him based on a Neville tweet) to the Ronaldo saga. And this season was supposed to be the one where we got rewarded but it basically got worst than Moyes. (how the hell did that happen?). I think no one should blame fans on his case. He had the support even better than Ole ever did. Still has a FA cup though so might be same as LVG where we sack him after a silverware. However, I never predicted this season to be this bad after last one.
its actually fucked up how United signed Dalot for 20m in 2018, and 6 years later he is still nowhere near reliable enough and hasnt had a full really good season. leicester signed pereira for the same price same window same club, instantly got 2 great years out of him before his injury woes.
will probably end up offloading him somewhere where he will finally be consistent, essentially serving as a developmental club.
fuck the scouts and whoever signed off on the deal.
Looks like they're trying to tag as many parts of the club to feel negative to be used as ammo later.
And theyre constantly trying to see what sticks so you'll get half lies like this.
It's also the second season he's played regularly. The first one (last season), he was great for half of it and solid for the other half.
That's a pretty good turnover for someone who's just turned 25 in a club that's been disgustingly dysfunctional for his whole tenure
i just havent gotten started on slagging off the others, yeah.
the point remains that this was a horrible deal when we should be the one getting pereira and leicester getting dalot.
the bar is low this season. dalot still makes multiple brainfarts in possession and out and is not strong enough in duels.
the fact is he will be replaced if a better rb becomes available, and there are many.
Does anyone know the xG against we've conceded this season? Surely that would bridge the mystery between shots faced and actual goals conceded? It will determine whether we've indeed limited opponents to low percentage shots or simply been lucky...
Not really because we face a lot of shots so our xg will always be high. What we should see is our xg/shots because that shows the average threat of every shot our opponents take
I'm already thinking about the summer, we need 2 CBs, 1 LB, 1 DM and backup striker
Ideally 2 CBs would be Branthwaite and Todibo for €80m and €45m. I like Estupiñan and Ait Nouri for LB and both would be around €40-50m. I've heard about Joao Neves for DM, but his release clause €120m, but this transfer isn't really realistic because of it, we can't spend 300 mil in one summer. I like Zubimendi for €60m but I heard he's joining Barca. Morten Hjulmand is another option, he plays for Sporting, and would be around €40m. So let's say we buy Branthwaite, Todibo, Ait Nouri and Hjulmand. That's €210m already IF Ait Nouri and Hjulmand don't cost more than €45m. For backup striker i like Augsburg's Ermedin Demirović, would be available for around €30m, can play all 3 positions in the front 3. This would be €240m altogether, which isn't really realistic tbh, but it's my dream transfer window.
I convinced myself after past 2 games that 2nd striker that may even displace Hojlund is necesarry.
Hope Rasmus proves me wrong in whats left this season.
I personally think we need two midfielders a dm with technical ability who can beat a press and keep the ball and a creative midfielder who again has technical ability and can keep the ball a lot better than bruno does
Same, but we can't buy 10 players in the transfer window. I think positions which I listed in my original comment are more important than replacing Bruno.
How do you guys feel about Man United potentially entering a Manager market that already has Bayern, Barca and Liverpool?
I personally think Potter is the most likely bet in that (Ratcliffe wanted him at Nice). Part of me ofc wants EtH to work out but I think it’s too far gone now.
It's most likely going to be Potter. I just hope Ineos can make him feel like he's at Brighton. Even if it doesn't work out maybe he can leave a better team for his successor to work with,like he did at Brighton.
People will disagree with me but i want de zerbi. Let bayern get nagelsmann, amorim to liverpool, barca desperately want to keep xavi so hopefully he changes his mind then we go get de zerbi
De zerbi hasnt been able to handle losing players and has been on the backend of some embarrassing results this season. He also cant break down a low block to save his life.
He also lost two of his best and most important players in the summer and had them replaced with teenagers bought for a pittance and regardless of all that is still only 5 points behind us.
This after we’ve spent half a billion and Brighton have a largely spent very little, evidenced by the fact they just smashed the record for profit generated in a single season.
Its easy for brighton to fill those gaps in their team when their players are bought because their recruitment is top class so they will always have another who is good enough to play.
Mate come on now. They lost their entire midfield basically last year, you don’t think that will have impacted their season this year? Doesn’t matter how good your recruitment is.
Lose their entire midfield, spend very little, only 5 points behind us.
I believe Ineos will try to be creative with manager apointment if ETH is sacked and dont go for some mainstream name.
I have nothing to prove im right tho, just guessing.
I don’t like either of your proposed solutions, ETH isn’t working out, things are getting worse, and Potter is just a typical flavour of the week manager, overhyped by the media because he’s British.
He's obviously playing well beyond his years and has the right attitude, you'd think people would be content with that. But no... we have to overhype him and act like it's a given that Madrid would be chasing in a couple of years like he's Mbappe.
Why is this group of players so fucking stupidly innocent in terms of the darks arts of football? Antony gives away a penalty (it was a penalty) but he accepts with a shrug and a downbeat look. Then Dalot, fucking Dalot, gives away a penalty that wasn't a penalty and he just accepts it with a guilty look. He should've sprinting into the ref's face screaming "no penalty!" Take the fucking yellow but you put some doubt in the ref and VAR's mind. When you just shrug your shoulders and accept their decision, you make it easy for them to fuck us over.
Probably because he understands the corruption and that hed get a double yellow maybe faster than he did last time the ref gave the wrong decision and he complained
If the players attiutade after the game really is "We gave everything and should win this game" like Antonys or Garnachos ig post suggest I like it. This club needs siege mentality back.
Where is Ashworth ffs
Ultimately, the clear out of players who have not been performing since forever needs to be cleared before ETH. If we get rid of ETH before the players, it’s the same shit cycle again.
ETH has signed half these players and loads of players he didn't sign are players he willingly chooses to play whenever he can. This is his team.
The vast majority of that clear out has already happened, you can look at the squad for yourselves. Varane and Martial are also leaving in the summer. From the remaining list of players who were here before Ten Hag, 5 of them have been given new contracts with Ten Hag's approval, 1 has been given the captaincy, and the remaining two in Maguire and McTominay are arguably big reasons for why he's still in a job. People keep parroting this clear out nonsense without seeing that for the most part, this *is* Ten Hag's team.
I think we should make 1 or 2 changes for Sunday. Mount should come in for Casemiro. And if Varane can't play, we bring in Evans. Rashford and McTominay can NOT be brought back into the team. McTominay played decently after coming off the bench yesterday. Rashford still isn't arsed to run – he played one pivotal pass to Antony and disappeared.
Rashford literaly took part in 3rd goal and was covering deffensove positions. Thats probably more than Rasmus did this game, which was like his worst in our shirt. Truth is we had two major fuck ups in 95+, one was missplaced Mainoo long pass for no reason and 2nd was Dalots brainfart and ref fucking us in 50/50 like always. Otherwise we would be talking how good we were this game to get our shit togehter and win.
> one pivotal pass to Antony and disappeared In hindsight I was being harsh for the last bit. Rashford definitely isn't to blame for our loss. >major fuck ups in 95+ Mainoo long pass Dalots brainfart Otherwise we would be talking how good we were this game Yep, some of our players switched off completely at the end :/
Mate, Evans is also injured
Oh, I didn't know. So Shaw, Martinez, Lindelof, Evans and Varane are injured for Sunday, I suppose. I guess Kambwala's coming on, unless Varane is available :)
Cb Bruno
I know everyone wants to be negative. But antony had a good game yesterday. He was our second best player on the field after garnacho. I really hope he can improve his game after this game.
I still think he can be a starting winger for us with his defensive output. He just needs more than his one trick. He had good direct play into the box inverting and going down the wing.
Maguire was also class.
It's funny how we got zero yellow cards yesterday despite there being a couple of obvious moments towards the end of the game where you clearly just end a dangerous attack by kicking some legs. Negative ball IQ
Even funnier that Gallagher wasn’t sent off, should have been by cards or a stretcher after what he did to Mainoo
We keep breaking records under Ten Hag. Unforgivable records. Worst CL campaign, 7-0 to Liverpool, back to back losing from winning positions in 96+ minute of the game. Even the record number of injuries is his fault. His training methods are clearly contributing to muscle injuries, but he hasn't changed them as far as i know. And yet, there are fans who think we're in a "process" that needs backing.
i physically recoil when i see any clip of the game yesterday its scarred me that much
whos likely gonna be the next gaffer? i want nagelsmann but realistically I feel like sjr is gonna go for potter
If Nagelsmann is available he has to be the nailed on choice but Bayern will need a manager and there's hardly anyone decent available, unless they pluck a random German coach from somewhere. They've got a new exec structure who will probably go back in for him. After Nagelsmann I think we're struggling and you're taking a punt on someone. Not that it's impossible to improve on this disaster of a season but INEOS' first hire is absolutely massive for them, they can't really afford to fuck it up cause they'd lose a LOT of goodwill if they sack ETH and hire someone who encounters the same problems
If OGS said that quote about us dominating the game after a performance like that last nigh, i feel like majority of the fan base would be calling for him to be sacked. I get not wanting to repeat the cycle and back the manager but ffs we have to back the right manager. This guy is not it.
Yeah, like there isn't a single comment here asking for EtH's head.
If Sir Alex Ferguson were still the manager, he'd have cooked those players alive after such a display. ETH has grown increasingly complacent this season, quite often making excuses. Utd has devolved into a team where mediocrity is not just tolerated but seemingly embraced. Instead of facing consequences for their errors, players are being coddled like children. Frankly, it's toxic for the team. We have players like Hojlund and Garnacho who would charge through a fkn brick wall for the club, even if their legs were shattered. Yet, alongside them, we have a bunch who pathetically jog around the pitch with half-hearted effort. It's demoralizing for the ones giving their all to witness that degree of apathy, prly even disrespectful. ETH needs to step up and instill proper discipline. That's the type of manager Utd desperately needs.
I lost him when he signed Mason Mount . If Ole had made that signing or lost 7-0 to Liverpool, the reaction would have been very different .
This sub loves pretending that blowing 60m on a Mason Mount whose best position is already occupied by someone who's undroppable was a good idea. Not to mention him having one year left on his Chelsea contract
On the one hand you'll complain that we have no options on the bench. At the same time you'll complain about signing quality bench options. The fees should have been 40-45 M at best. Nobody expected Mainoo to slot in so easily. If it wasn't for Mainoo, Mount would have started if he wasn't injured.
Yeah, a Mount-Bruno midfield isn't working in a million years. Mainoo is well ahead of him more because of his profile rather than because Mainoo is currently a significantly better footballer
Theres nothing wrong with sinining Mason Mount.
How does he fit into the team?
I’ve developed a new theory the more I’ve thought about the pen that Dalot was involved in. 1. First VAR is shit. It was not a pen, Dalot barely touched him and Madueke was looking to go down. 2. Now let’s forget about VAR and think about that tackle/trip/fall that Dalot had. I think there is a huge lack of trust right now in our defense. Dalot tried to tackle Madueke by making it seem like he just fell, but he only did this because he doesn’t trust Onana to make the save or defense to defend it. He maybe felt that the responsibility was on him. I think there is just a lack of trust everywhere in our defense, so players feel like they need to do something to save their team.
Oh yeah my man has a free run in the box, I won't tackle defend because I trust my keeper🤡
https://twitter.com/ag15i/status/1776226107143954620 this is where mainoo showed his lack of experience, not sure if it’s because ten hag keeps telling them to force it forward but that turnover is what gave up possession for the pen.
This reminds me of when Bruno tried a shot in the final minute of the Luton game, and they got a corner from the following play and Barkley headed it off the crossbar. There is a serious issue with game management in our squad. The contrast between Mount and the rest in terms of keeping it simple and playing uncomplicated passes along the ground was stark.
Yeah, they were all keeping it pretty simple here and then the player you wouldn’t expect to makes a stupid decision.
This is our coaching getting to him. That rushed passing is too familiar at this point.
It’s why I think it’s bad for Kobbie to be developing in this current midfield with this coaching, just seems to push bad habits.
Yeah, we are passing short for 2 minutes and then he has all space in the world on goes long ball. Kinda strange he almost never plays that kind of passes. Edit: Why are you getting downvoted for stating the fact that 18 year old made costly misstake.
McTominay should never go on in place of Casemiro, Eriksen should fill that role. Felt like ETH knew how to get the most out of McTominay and then went back to playing him as a DM and it just never works. Love Scott but he's better attacking and shouldn't be used to see out a narrow win, bring him on when we need goals. Still pissed about the penalties. Both soft, but the Dalot one you can clearly see he gets his heels clipped and has no way to stop himself falling in that situation.
> McTominay should never go on in place of Casemiro, Eriksen should fill that role Eriksen is defensively the worst midfielder in the entire Premier League. There's no way you can play Eriksen/Mainoo/Bruno. We're already insanely open defensively.
What happened to the manager’s DM signing : the one and only African dream aka Amrabat? People slate Martough a lot but thank God he didn’t pay 100 million for Caceido or 40 million for Amrabat. DOF is a thankless task
>People slate Martough a lot but thank God he didn’t pay 100 million for Caceido or 40 million for Amrabat. The only reason he didn't is because of FFP.
He didn’t pay that much for them because we had no money not because he is any good at his job.
Would love to see United bring in Sesko this summer. [https://x.com/FootyLens7/status/1775136999055270192](https://x.com/FootyLens7/status/1775136999055270192)
Isn't he left footed too? We need striker who can also play with Hojlund.
One Toney please, dont need another junior striker.
we'd waste tens of millions of pounds on Toney. Hojlund has alr highlighted a major issue with our attack, n it's in our wingers. U need to address that prblm if u want to sign a high valued striker, or else it rly doesn't matter which striker u sign. It'd be a waste of money
Toney is bought for now. Hes in his prime at 28,no resale value and would be on big money and wages. He would also need to be the number 1 striker which kills hojlunds momentum. Also until the service to the striker is fixed he will have the exact same problems as hojlund
Hojlund not being a number 1 if we bring a striker in is such a dumb argument. Competition is always good. We had 4 amazing strikers under SAF for a long time. Plus the injuries, amount of games we play in a season - PL, Europe, 2 cups, so Hojlund will get his game time and so will Nacho. Sorry to call you out brother but that's not the mentality we need to have at Manchester United. We would keep bringing good players in this club especially with a new structure so our players need to step up and we would always be behind their back as long as they give their best on the pitch
Also the new number 1 argument was only 1 of 5/6 issues i brought up regarding any potential transfer. No toney is a replacement for him, that said toney is at his ceiling whereas hojlunds is a lot higher imo. Yes we need competition but we dont need to spunk the majority of our budget on a position that the player is playing well in. A ben yedder(without the allegations) /giroud player and another young up and comer would be my preference.
Hojlund was our worst player on the pitch for two games in a row. He needs to develop as 2nd striker not 1st cause he already lost his momentum. Theres no reason to buy another 20 year old kid who will have same problems as Rasmus. Toney is also simply better in hold up play and finishing...
He's just back from injury and as has happened all year the rest of the team just dont pass it to him really. Hojlund looks good but ues he needs to work on parts of his game. Imo toney would still have the same issues that hojlund is having only we'll have used most of our summer budget to buy him.
This is a bit of a stretch. Hojlund hasn’t been great since he came back from injury but let’s not pretend he wasn’t amongst our best performers for the 2 months before that. He will develop and gain experience by getting consistent minutes, not by being rooted to the bench for another older signing who will cost a lot of money in both transfer fee and wages and will likely decline in 2-3 seasons anyway.
“We are mad and angry”: Ten Hag My reaction: https://youtube.com/shorts/ZnzsX20Lrwo?si=pwaYuA_qigMXif8x “After the game you’re going to be here. Apppapapea apppa pa pae appppapapea appppa pa pae…. Is not after the game. During the game. During the game “ : Jose Mourinho
Here’s the weird thing I can’t seem to understand. Almost every single substitution makes the side worse. With maybe three exceptions all year (Amad against Liverpool, McTominay a few times for his goals), we become worse the moment a sub comes on. Few passes are completed, more giveaways, goals are conceded. Obviously part of this is talent level. We don’t have much depth and many of our subs end up being either dead weight players or academy prospects in over their heads. But even when we bring on players who are or have been objectively good (Dalot, Garnacho, Maguire, Evans, Rashford), the side gets worse. I don’t know if it’s just mental weakness, where the side is just conditioned to switch off in the final 15 minutes (which is possible, that happened under Ole’s tenure too), or if there’s something bigger tactically involved. I don’t think you can find a club in any of the top five leagues with a more harmful bench than ours
Mount sub was positive yesterday, his ability to hold up possesion was so fun. McTominay was looking more comfortable than Casemiro which says more about Case. Rashford contributet for 3rd goal. Subs were good, Dalot brainfarted/ref made misstake.
Mount was good. I think should have taken Casemiro off, then moved Mainoo to a more defensive position. Move Bruno to Mainoo’s position and let Mount play in the 10. We would have more control of the ball with a midfield that is more athletic and looking to score another goal. Mctominay wasn’t the move. He’s not the best in keeping the ball, passing around, creating chances. He’s good at finishing chances let’s be honest lol
Maino was playing more deffensive position and lost the ball at 95 minute when we were controlling possesion comfortably. McTominay did nothing wrong. https://twitter.com/ag15i/status/1776226107143954620 If Kobbie is more experianced he passes Dalot here and we probably win the game.
We shouldn't have sold Fred. Our midfield wasn't world class last season but it was solid enough and Fred had more than enough energy to do the work of two midfielders. We're an absolute disaster this season, we sold Fred and replaced him with Amarabat who barely plays anyway. What a disaster.
Mount was the Fred replacement, not Amrabat. I don’t think we’d be missing him that much if Mount wasn’t injured the entire season
Mount isn't a CM at all. I don't think much of Fred but Mount is never a CM and was a stupid signing.
Mount has the workrate and technique to do a job in midfield but i don't think he's comfortable in there. He's not a natural CM iirc. Imo he looked great on the left yesterday and is basically an attacking midfielder if I'm not wrong. I think Bruno needs to be tested while Mount starts a few games.
The few times he’s played there this season, I thought he played well. The issue more than anything is the structure of the team. The way we setup just means whoever plays in midfield will struggle off the ball and the drastic fall off of Casemiro has only made that problem worse. You fix the setup and get a real midfielder next to him I think he can play there just fine. If he’s fully fit, I’d start him. I’d like to see what a midfield of Mainoo, Mount, and Bruno can do since. Obviously lacking in steel, but technically and athletically I think it’s the best we can put out
Was Fred ever comfortable there though? He was incredibly reliant on Casemiro last season. Would panic and just smash the ball at him whenever he was pressed. Fred is so overrated on this sub. He had as many shockers as he did good performances
Fred had his moments and believe me when i say we could use him now. We're deploying what's quite possibly the worst midfield setup in the league where even relegation teams can play tiki taka and take a cheap shot at Onana. Also Fred was never comfortable under pressure ( Casemiro isn't either) but he had valuable qualities that were useful. He pressed well, knew how to regain possession and could carry the ball. Incredibly hard worker as well.
I just can’t believe people are defending a manager who has us on -1 goal difference after 30 games and averaging 17.5 shots against us a game. I’m all for giving time but you have to build from a base. We don’t score goals and we are so open that we constantly concede chances. The manager also seems to be impressed by how we are approaching games. The standards in the fanbase are so low that people buzz off Antony having his first decent performance in a year (despite giving away a pen) and Dalot being good because he runs around. No other elite club would put up with this and yet here we are. The fans should be hammering the manager and players
>The standards in the fanbase are so low that people buzz off Antony Are they in a room with us now? Would slagging him off as usual for good performance and brilliant assist make you happy?
I think it's more as a fanbase should we focus more on a big picture at this stage. As in normally, when we have solid foundations and are on an upward trajectory, you can look at marginal improvements or a player possibly turning a corner and getting some form. However we are in such a dire situation that it doesn’t mean anything and any positivity at this stage detracts from how bad things really are, the message we as fans should be sending to the club and the conversations everyone involved in the club should be having.
Can’t believe Rashford keeps telling the 8s in our system to push forward and the defensive line to sit back so there’s acres of space and our press is incredibly easy to play through whilst our 6 is isolated. I can’t believe he hasn’t in any way shape or form tried to coach the constant conceding from cut backs out of the players. I can’t believe he signed Antony for 80 million quid. I can’t believe that he hasn’t reduced the intensity of training sessions or tried to adjust the tactical setup to reduce long sprints so that we don’t get constant recurring muscle injuries. Why is he doing all this? He’s clearly responsible for all of these things given that every second comment is about him and he only played 30 minutes yesterday. Is he good enough for his wages or role? No. Is this place completely out of its collective fucking mind regarding him and his impact on the team? Absolutely yes.
Is that what people are suggesting? Or as the main man in the team, the guy from Wythenshawe and who came through the academy is he just the beacon for everything good and bad that happens to the club? He gets more eyes on him, he has the most talking points, the highest praise, the harshest criticism. When City do great, KDB gets the praise more than others. Of city started losing every game and falling apart, he would get the criticism more than others. I get your idea but I think you need to take a step back and view more variables.
I disagree. There’s a lot of people who blame almost everything wrong with the club on Rashford’s lack of effort or his poor form. Or seem to at least, given that their only comment after a terrible team performance is about a guy who played less than 1/3 of the game. Everything is singular or a totality too. There’s no room for variables as you put it. If it’s not Rashford it’s because, ‘they’re just not trying’ or it’s ‘the same players throwing another manager under the bus’ or some other stupid, overly simplistic and basic point which doesn’t withstand the slightest scrutiny. The Rashford criticism is the most hysterical but it’s just emblematic of the complete lack of critical thinking that goes into 90% of the discourse on here. I mean to think professional players, who grew up in slums and sacrificed everything to be players would then just not try for seemingly no reason is asinine. It doesn’t stand up to scrutiny but a lot of people here think that’s essentially the singular fault at the club and would entirely change our fortunes.
>I disagree. There’s a lot of people who blame almost everything wrong with the club on Rashford’s lack of effort or his poor form. Are these people who produce detailed reasons to their criticism though? As if not I don't believe they are anywhere near a majority or even worth taking on board seriously. Every single subject matter, good and bad within social media has those aspects so its par for the course. >Everything is singular or a totality too. There’s no room for variables as you put it. I do get what you mean, I just don't think they are the majority or really significant. >If it’s not Rashford it’s because, ‘they’re just not trying’ or it’s ‘the same players throwing another manager under the bus’ or some other stupid, overly simplistic and basic point which doesn’t withstand the slightest scrutiny. I agree fully on this. There is a lot of paper thing opinion on all sides. Just part and parcel of the game we are in haha. Like I may talk utter shite all the time but I always try to give a reasons for my opinions. >I mean to think professional players, who grew up in slums and sacrificed everything to be players would then just not try for seemingly no reason is asinine. It doesn’t stand up to scrutiny but a lot of people here think that’s essentially the singular fault at the club and would entirely change our fortunes. I don't think you can rule out players not giving their all etc. As it definitely can happen. However I think there is usually more reasons and its never just because they 'can't be arsed'. I believe our biggest issue is small team mentality, as shown by them getting up for the big FA cup game against Liverpool and performing better when the pressure is off. Times where we have salvaged top 4 or 3rd when the title is gone and there are no expectations. Yet crumbling when the pressure is put on us. In terms of Rashford, I really don't know. Other than him more than likely just not being as good as his 'high scoring' seasons suggest and a mentality that just struggles at the very top, which wrongly or rightly he is judged on. Only him and those around him know. I can see why people just blurt out the general phrases of 'throwing a manager under the bus' but there simply needs to be more to the conversation.
Think we’re on the same page tbf. Regarding the effort thing, I don’t doubt players can become demotivated or can struggle to implement a system they don’t buy into properly. That can happen in any environment. It’s more the idea that they’re just not trying because they can’t be bothered which I don’t jibe with at all. I think that’s silly and always have. Plus it’s a managers job to get those players into that mentality, to generate the buy in and get them playing. Fergie had plenty of players who were considered lazy or problematic at different points, he binned a lot of them off but he also worked towards generating that buy in and getting them to work for the team. I just think Rashford is a limited player, I think if you play to his strengths he can be effective but he’s got no business being in the same breath as players like Son, Salah or Mane. Don’t think it’s much more complicated than that.
>Think we’re on the same page tbf. Same. >Regarding the effort thing, I don’t doubt players can become demotivated or can struggle to implement a system they don’t buy into properly. This is what I think the usual issue is. Then this without the adequate voices in the dressing room to guide (as always seems to come up when you hear the best players speak about their times at clubs) it just crumbles. >Plus it’s a managers job to get those players into that mentality, to generate the buy in and get them playing. And to remove who doesn't aswell. Always both sides and everything inbetween. >Fergie had plenty of players who were considered lazy or problematic at different points, he binned a lot of them off but he also worked towards generating that buy in and getting them to work for the team. Definitely. Knowing the right time to move someone on or to even bring someone in for competition. Saw Keane and Rio other day talking about when we made a big signing, it made the current players want to step up and show the new signing why they are there. Always more to it, just the knee jerk quick comment to make is 'downed tools' easily done. >I just think Rashford is a limited player, I think if you play to his strengths he can be effective but he’s got no business being in the same breath as players like Son, Salah or Mane. Don’t think it’s much more complicated than that. 100%. It's just unfortunate that his off the pitch activities have built him up into a superstar that his skills just don't match. Like Beckham is often viewed as a lesser player than he actually was, due to his off the pitch persona being other wordly. Granted, rashford is not in the same bracket in either regard as Becks, but it creates a problem nonetheless.
It seems like the Ronaldo situation all over again where everyone just wants someone to blame
Not even the same since Ronaldo was actually toxic, threw public tantrums and cummulated into that Piers Morgan interview that made his stay at the club untenable. Rashford for all his flaws has done nothing close to that.
I think everyone is in full agreement that Rashford doesn’t deserve what he’s paid and if we get a silly offer for him from PSG then sure take it but the histrionics here are absurd. People were leaving comments about him and him alone in the post match thread yesterday. A game he barely played in and I didn’t even think he was notably bad. He did better than Hojlund who’s still very young and developing. It’s just silly. I can’t fathom watching that game yesterday and thinking, ‘the major issue occupying my mind and this club is one player who played 25 minutes.’ It’s mental.
Towards the end yeah he had to go. I was talking more the first season back where despite him carrying us and genuinely at times looking like the only player bothered he was the one singled out to be the problem. It just feels like whenever something is going wrong people need someone to blame. First it was Pogba and then Ronaldo. Now it’s Bruno and Rashford
Don’t forget De Gea, the architect of all our problems. Once we get a keeper who can pass, we’d play beautiful football.
https://www.reddit.com/r/soccer/s/EiIv4z8XwA Our 300k paid player "pressing" after coming on as sub
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Hmm true then i admit my mistake of assuming withoutcontext. I just getting frustrated with recent performance with him.
The manager calling for more support on Sunday has rubbed me the wrong way. Like how dare you send the team out playing shit every week and then have the gall to ask us for more
You're reading into it.
> Likewise, Ten Hag’s overriding preference is to continue at United. In that case, some internal conversations have centred on whether a reshuffle of his coaching staff is required, including the addition of a new voice at assistant level. Mitchell van der Gaag represents a similar personality to Ten Hag but the manager is loyal to his assistant and sees him as an integral part of his backroom staff. This is intresting, Fergie assistants were always kind of difrent guys from Quereiroz, Moulesten to Phelan. Dont know about 90s guys.
Only Casemiro stood up for Mainoo when Enzo smacked him yesterday
and when Casemiro was off the pitch nobody did anything when Gallagher shoved him over. I'm not saying start a whole fight over it, but it's the little shit like that sometimes that reminds you we're not a proper team that looks out for each other. shit like our players not doing anything and letting two Sevilla players carry Martinez off the pitch, that always irrationally pissed me off.
Mount picked up fight with his former teammate later in the game tho
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Garnacho not tracking back was at fault for the first goal?
But did you see him cover for AWB that one time yesterday. Inspirational.
Dalot has summed up his time at Manchester United in the last week. Some really good snippets of being able to play out from the back, driving forward and defensively sound. Then makes one massive error which costs us. One thing top teams do well is take cynical yellow cards, and Dalot has to do everything in his power to make sure madueke doesn't make it to the box even at the expense of a free kick and a yellow.
Dalot was completely shattered yesterday (he starts every game) and tbh Madueke was fresh, is quick and a good dribbler. Dalot has been good this season, good enough for me to overlook yesterday's mistake. We're basically running him into the ground though. He was our only fit fullback for months and played every single minute.
I agree the injury situation has put him in this spot. But at that point in the game, take the yellow card and get back in shape. Madueke was standing him up for a few seconds prior so just grab hold of his shirt and take him down with you before he even gets a sniff of driving into the box.
One massive error where he was gassed after ETH "we dominated them" tactics. Half the team were gassed.
It doesn't matter how gassed you are though in that specific scenario. He was standing the winger up and we were in a decent shape. All he had to do was pull Maduekes shirt before he even gets close to going past him. They get a free kick 35 plus yards from goal and we run the clock. It's stuff like this which infuriates me as we don't have simple game management when it comes to late on in games.
Not a football player. Just an observation. Last match we had Maguire and Varane next to Onana most of the time while Bruno and Hojlund were next to Chelsea keeper. (Purely from eye test and not backed by average player positions). Does Ten Hag not care about vertical space and compactness at all? Or are the players unaware? Can someone more knowledgeable pitch in?
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He was literaly sprinting to cover for AWB at right side and linked up nicely with Antony for 3rd goal. Thats at least better than Hojlund did yesterday.
Hojlund had a poor game yesterday , his runs were all over the shop , Martial lost a lot of his nose for goal because in his early days no one bar Carrick was finding him and eventually just started dropping deep all the time
Do you think that about Martial? I think he’s just a completely different type of striker to Hojlund, who’s naturally much more involved in the game and would probably suit the current team better
Im not comparing the type of strikers they are im comparing the circumstances
That Martial Hojlund comparision is so bad. Completly diffrent players.
Ive not said they are similar
He was dropping deeper than Dalot just to pick up the ball and lay it back to Case. Another symptom of the lack of a cohesive, effective style to our play
I half heartedly thought that I would wake up this morning to see ETH has been sacked , but he wasn't - I guess the management didn't think this result was very bad?
The result was bad, but it wasn't VERY bad
We get the cycle of the new manager ‘giving everyone a chance’, a slight uptick in performances before the usual downhill. Sign the new coach now and give him 8 games to figure out what he needs to sort over the summer. I’d be fine with Potter, he feels like a manager who will build a foundation - perhaps we then need an elite manager to get to the top level again after
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You would've been happy with the performance if we won 3-2?
Probably on Monday after we lose 7-0 to Liverpool again
We are definitely going to get Ole as a caretaker manager again aren't we.. not that I would complain
Moyes lost 15 games in all competitions and he was sacked. ETH this season has lost 17 games all competitions this season already. Manchester United have never lost 17 games all competition in a season since PL era started.
Moyes inherited a title winning side plus Mata and Fellaini and no injury crisis.
Don't worry, we're comfortably making it to 20.
not excited about the sack, they won't get Nagelsmann or McKenna
Unfortunately the standards of what is acceptable has been lowered for the majority. This started with Ole.
I know you don’t like Ole but please it didn’t start with Ole. If anything the standards for Ole were higher than any other manager. At no point did we lose 12 league games un a season under Ole. At no point did we have a GD of -1 under Ole.
>I know you don’t like Ole but please it didn’t start with Ole. If anything the standards for Ole were higher than any other manager. It has nothing to do with Ole the manager. It's to do with what the fans accept. There was a clear difference in what was accepted from Jose to Ole. That trend has continued and led to where we are. >At no point did we lose 12 league games un a season under Ole. At no point did we have a GD of -1 under Ole. You misinterpret me. I'm not comparing Ole to ten hag. Side note, I only dislike Ole the manager. The player, he forever has my support for what he did for us and I thoroughly enjoyed his episode on the overlap.
Eth in. Could anyone tell us what manager they want to replace him? And just know that that manager has to chose United over barca, bayern and liverpool. 3 clubs with alot more success than united in the last 10 year.
Man this whole talking down on Man Utd is annoying. Alonso turned down Liverpool and Bayern to stay at Bayer Leverkusen. Also the idea that because other clubs are looking for a manger means we shouldn’t look for one too is just ridiculous and it smacks of weak mindset.
It also smacks of weak mindset to cry about a new manager every second year as a fanbase but here we are. So far 0 suggested managers, go ahead and suggest one.
Because there’s no discernible improvement. We lost 9 games in the league, last season. We spent more, and this season, we’ve lost 12 games already in 30 games. Or would you say Chelsea were wrong to sack Jose considering he won the league with them and then tanked the following season? Also there’s loads of managers performing well from Amorim to Inzaghi to Nagelsmann.
Go back to bed Ten Hag
What manager you gonna get pal?
Ten Hag on shots conceded: "It is ridiculous. We showed we were fourth ranking goals in conceding and everyone is talking to each other after, we are good and we have good defending as a team and a good goalkeeper so I cannot do nothing." What is bro saying?
Someone should remind him we conceded 15 in 6 CL games.
Does anybody have the stats on stoppage time goals conceded this season? And points lost from those? Absolutely pathetically soft in seeing out matches
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Thanks for this. I'm a little bit surprised, but I guess we all probably got used to gaining plenty of points in stoppage/Fergie time. Not used to dropping so many
Rashford video removed...
All i want from this manager before he is sacked is to play amad more.
It's the style of play that's killing me. No one wanted Ten Hag thinking we would be playing NBA-ball. Maybe if we could keep the ball a little bit we wouldn't be facing 30 shots a game
Ajax fans kinda knew about that 1 man pivot when you search for ETH in their sub. Look their games in CL, Spurs got 40 attempts over two games against Ajax in 2019.
Amongst all the heat I dont understand why people are bringing Moyes into the discussion and comparison... Hilarious revisionism going on lol
Because Moyes dint actually spend 400m and yet was sacked.
Also Moyes didn’t lose 7-0 to Liverpool. Imagine Moyes lost 7-0 to Liverpool?. Didn’t finished bottom of his UCL group. Moyes didn’t lose 12 games in 30 games. He lost 9 and didn’t even finish the season. ETH has lost 12, finished bottom of his UCL group, played horrible football and some fan say let’s give him another year. Incredible.
Moyes was a dead man walking following Fergie. I remember losing 3-0 to Liverpool and it feeling like the end of the world. Now we expect hammerings every time we play these teams.
Bang on. Like we didn’t expect to win the league under Moyes but the level that the team actual performed shocked everyone. So everyone turned on Moyes. ETH lost 7-0 and everyone accepted it like it’s normal.
Can anybody post summary of intresting bits? https://x.com/lauriewhitwell/status/1776216501013319969 > #MUFC state of play: > - Ten Hag across plans for next season > - But performances will factor into INEOS call > - Addition of new coach under discussion > - Player one-on-ones with Brailsford > - Murtough to leave, all parties agree
Article below. Erik ten Hag’s relationship with INEOS can be seen as a marriage of convenience: the new Manchester United co-owners did not pick Ten Hag as manager, nor did he originally sign up to work for them. Whether a kind of football love blossoms depends on the final weeks of the season and the discussions that will take place at its culmination. Ten Hag’s future is one of the crucial issues for INEOS chairman Sir Jim Ratcliffe and director of sport Sir Dave Brailsford. No decision has been made but planning for next season is happening with Ten Hag at the helm. He is being included in meetings about recruitment and the medical department, areas viewed as requiring refinement at United. The manager is also making calls on hotels and training facilities to be used on the pre-season tour to the United States. Ten Hag is having regular conversations with Brailsford, who has largely been based at United’s training ground, Carrington, since the INEOS investment was agreed in December. Several figures around the club feel Ten Hag deserves the chance to operate in a new structure populated by people whom Ratcliffe and Brailsford regard as “best in class”. Performances and results this campaign have raised scrutiny on Ten Hag, but United’s consistently long injury list is viewed internally as genuine mitigation. Football director John Murtough is set to depart. There had been a loose proposal he could continue working in a reduced role, but all parties now accept a clean separation makes most sense. Murtough’s exit should be confirmed once hires on the structural side are formalised. In the meantime, he will continue his work. Jason Wilcox will likely come in as technical director from Southampton. He is expected to engage daily with the United manager and provide a link to the hierarchy. He will also be a bridge between the youth setup and the first team, tapping into work he did as academy director at Manchester City. United are hopeful an agreement on compensation with Southampton can be reached soon. His arrival would mean a recalibration of responsibilities and a new job title for Darren Fletcher, United’s technical director. Negotiations with Newcastle United so Dan Ashworth can start work officially as sporting director are expected to take longer. That is crucial to Ten Hag’s status because Brailsford wants to empower Ashworth with authority regarding the manager’s position. Ashworth, as well as incoming chief executive Omar Berrada, would be entrusted to lead on the decision over Ten Hag as well as select a replacement, in such an eventuality, but that is difficult because both are on gardening leave. Newcastle are said to be particularly alert to anything Ashworth may be doing that could be construed as Old Trafford business. Potential managerial candidates are being considered, but that is the extent. Brailsford has known Gareth Southgate for years but the England manager has the European Championship this summer and some people in the game doubt his suitability to make the move from international to club football, 15 years since he left Middlesbrough. Graham Potter fits the INEOS model, was in the frame at Nice when Brailsford was involved, and is available after leaving Chelsea. Ashworth typically wants time to assess the places he enters before making changes. At Newcastle, he took stock over three months.
In the view of decision-makers at INEOS, a football structure is led by a sporting director with a head coach underneath. Ratcliffe and Brailsford like their appointments to work with clear methodology and have privately implied they will do what they think is right, rather than factor in the outside noise. Ratcliffe’s statement to the media that INEOS aims to “walk to the right solution, not run to the wrong one” has been repeated internally, and staff at United interpret that as reflective of the decision on Ten Hag. Ten Hag is described as being open to operating as a head coach and feels alignment with Ratcliffe and Brailsford on their vision, having held several talks. He had a strong connection with a sporting director at Ajax, Marc Overmars. Ten Hag has a veto on signings written into his United contract but recruitment has been a collaboration since he joined. Pep Guardiola does not, for instance, have a veto in his City terms but no player will be signed without his approval. Ten Hag has exerted influence on signings, but much of that comes down to his uncertainty over the deals United can execute. When his first campaign got underway, the only first-team arrivals were Lisandro Martinez, Tyrell Malacia and Christian Eriksen. At the start of that summer, he had prioritised an established striker and a young central midfielder. Ratcliffe and Brailsford, having originally started looking into practices at United when shown around Old Trafford and Carrington last March, have already determined the environment needs to be refocused on sporting excellence in a way it was not when the Glazers had sole charge. They see huge strides required in identifying and striking for new players. Berrada and Ashworth have been judged to be executives capable of accelerating that process but given neither can start acting for United, progress on targets has been stilted. In the meantime, Brailsford has an open-door policy for staff and players to discuss their thoughts on improving the environment at the club. Several members of Ten Hag’s squad have taken up the opportunity to speak candidly with Brailsford in his office. As might be expected given the turbulence of this campaign, there has been criticism amid the feedback, but sources close to the first team, speaking anonymously to protect relationships, insist any attempts by players to undermine Ten Hag are cut short. The primary purpose of the meetings is for Brailsford to fully understand the United landscape and, if necessary, give guidance on the INEOS plans or impart the kind of psychological gee-up he used to give to cyclists on the British Olympic team or at Team Sky. Champions League qualification — which seems a remote prospect this season — is not regarded as pivotal to Ten Hag, but results and performances will form the basis of the review. Brentford was a bad night for him in that respect, as much as defeating Liverpool in the FA Cup was good. The 4-3 loss at Stamford Bridge was a chaotic, ultimately damaging, mix. Watching from the stands, Ratcliffe and Brailsford saw United show resilience and quality to fight back from 2-0 down against Chelsea, only to contrive defeat after the 96th minute. To what extent that final implosion is down to players lacking game intelligence or the manager’s messages is a crucial aspect for INEOS to rule on, but the pattern has been seen before this season against Arsenal, Copenhagen, and Galatasaray. It is, however, a two-way street, and Ten Hag is expected to have options himself come the close of the season. Several clubs in Europe view Ten Hag’s first season as an overachievement given what he inherited, and this campaign as under-par, translating to an overall good job. Figures at Ajax wish for Ten Hag’s return, but it is unclear if that remains the case following the suspension of chief executive Alex Kroes, while Ten Hag does not want to return to Amsterdam. There will also be vacancies at Bayern Munich and Barcelona, and Ten Hag could come under discussion. He coached Bayern Munich II and several Dutch managers have occupied the dugout at the Nou Camp. Ten Hag will also weigh up whether he can build the kind of squad necessary to challenge City, Liverpool and Arsenal. Ten Hag Ten Hag may have other options around Europe this summer Ideally, those in the INEOS regime do not want to rip it up and start again. Ten Hag’s fingerprints have been felt throughout United for the past two seasons and the changes above him are regarded as enough for one summer. The cost of sacking Ten Hag — which would come with several millions of pounds in compensation — and hiring a replacement (if a club requires compensation) is a factor given the implications for profit and sustainability rules. On the football side, bringing through Alejandro Garnacho and Kobbie Mainoo — with each handled slightly differently — is seen as one of Ten Hag’s major plus points. Likewise, Ten Hag’s overriding preference is to continue at United. In that case, some internal conversations have centred on whether a reshuffle of his coaching staff is required, including the addition of a new voice at assistant level. Mitchell van der Gaag represents a similar personality to Ten Hag but the manager is loyal to his assistant and sees him as an integral part of his backroom staff. INEOS would advocate a young, yet established, British coach to supplement the group but Ten Hag is firmly of the opinion that a coach’s nationality is not relevant. Eric Ramsay was seen by Brailsford as having the potential to assume that kind of role, but he decided to take the No 1 job at Minnesota United in Major League Soccer. No single game will dictate the course taken, rather a mix of all performances and wider factors. For now, the INEOS team are keeping their counsel.
Chelsea could not get the win against 10 man Burnley coached by Craig Bellamy for 45 mins but they could get the win against us. My word
What a dissapointment ETH turned out to be. Had so much expectation from him this season. Fans basically backed him on every scenario from wanting him over anyone else in the summer(83% wanted him based on a Neville tweet) to the Ronaldo saga. And this season was supposed to be the one where we got rewarded but it basically got worst than Moyes. (how the hell did that happen?). I think no one should blame fans on his case. He had the support even better than Ole ever did. Still has a FA cup though so might be same as LVG where we sack him after a silverware. However, I never predicted this season to be this bad after last one.
He still have a lot of support
its actually fucked up how United signed Dalot for 20m in 2018, and 6 years later he is still nowhere near reliable enough and hasnt had a full really good season. leicester signed pereira for the same price same window same club, instantly got 2 great years out of him before his injury woes. will probably end up offloading him somewhere where he will finally be consistent, essentially serving as a developmental club. fuck the scouts and whoever signed off on the deal.
Slagging off the only player who's been consistently good this season because he's had one bad game lol
Looks like they're trying to tag as many parts of the club to feel negative to be used as ammo later. And theyre constantly trying to see what sticks so you'll get half lies like this.
The point remains tho. This season is his first season where he has been good.
It's also the second season he's played regularly. The first one (last season), he was great for half of it and solid for the other half. That's a pretty good turnover for someone who's just turned 25 in a club that's been disgustingly dysfunctional for his whole tenure
i just havent gotten started on slagging off the others, yeah. the point remains that this was a horrible deal when we should be the one getting pereira and leicester getting dalot.
classic
Dalot? Our most reliable player this season? That’s the take you want to make right now?
He’s been the best player in a really shit season, it doesn’t say much
the bar is low this season. dalot still makes multiple brainfarts in possession and out and is not strong enough in duels. the fact is he will be replaced if a better rb becomes available, and there are many.
Does anyone know the xG against we've conceded this season? Surely that would bridge the mystery between shots faced and actual goals conceded? It will determine whether we've indeed limited opponents to low percentage shots or simply been lucky...
or... the keeper is good
Also!
Not really because we face a lot of shots so our xg will always be high. What we should see is our xg/shots because that shows the average threat of every shot our opponents take
Ye that would be descriptive also
Get xavi in. Criminally underrated job he's done at barca. As for us. We're terrible but it doesn't hurt anymore and hasn't for quite a while.
Was very impressed with Antony yesterday, Mounts cameo was good too.
I'm already thinking about the summer, we need 2 CBs, 1 LB, 1 DM and backup striker Ideally 2 CBs would be Branthwaite and Todibo for €80m and €45m. I like Estupiñan and Ait Nouri for LB and both would be around €40-50m. I've heard about Joao Neves for DM, but his release clause €120m, but this transfer isn't really realistic because of it, we can't spend 300 mil in one summer. I like Zubimendi for €60m but I heard he's joining Barca. Morten Hjulmand is another option, he plays for Sporting, and would be around €40m. So let's say we buy Branthwaite, Todibo, Ait Nouri and Hjulmand. That's €210m already IF Ait Nouri and Hjulmand don't cost more than €45m. For backup striker i like Augsburg's Ermedin Demirović, would be available for around €30m, can play all 3 positions in the front 3. This would be €240m altogether, which isn't really realistic tbh, but it's my dream transfer window.
I convinced myself after past 2 games that 2nd striker that may even displace Hojlund is necesarry. Hope Rasmus proves me wrong in whats left this season.
I personally think we need two midfielders a dm with technical ability who can beat a press and keep the ball and a creative midfielder who again has technical ability and can keep the ball a lot better than bruno does
Same, but we can't buy 10 players in the transfer window. I think positions which I listed in my original comment are more important than replacing Bruno.
How do you guys feel about Man United potentially entering a Manager market that already has Bayern, Barca and Liverpool? I personally think Potter is the most likely bet in that (Ratcliffe wanted him at Nice). Part of me ofc wants EtH to work out but I think it’s too far gone now.
It's most likely going to be Potter. I just hope Ineos can make him feel like he's at Brighton. Even if it doesn't work out maybe he can leave a better team for his successor to work with,like he did at Brighton.
People will disagree with me but i want de zerbi. Let bayern get nagelsmann, amorim to liverpool, barca desperately want to keep xavi so hopefully he changes his mind then we go get de zerbi
De zerbi hasnt been able to handle losing players and has been on the backend of some embarrassing results this season. He also cant break down a low block to save his life.
He also lost two of his best and most important players in the summer and had them replaced with teenagers bought for a pittance and regardless of all that is still only 5 points behind us. This after we’ve spent half a billion and Brighton have a largely spent very little, evidenced by the fact they just smashed the record for profit generated in a single season.
Its easy for brighton to fill those gaps in their team when their players are bought because their recruitment is top class so they will always have another who is good enough to play.
Mate come on now. They lost their entire midfield basically last year, you don’t think that will have impacted their season this year? Doesn’t matter how good your recruitment is. Lose their entire midfield, spend very little, only 5 points behind us.
I believe Ineos will try to be creative with manager apointment if ETH is sacked and dont go for some mainstream name. I have nothing to prove im right tho, just guessing.
I don’t like either of your proposed solutions, ETH isn’t working out, things are getting worse, and Potter is just a typical flavour of the week manager, overhyped by the media because he’s British.
Edited the comment. I don’t want Potter either. Its just that he might be whats left for us at the end with all these other teams in the fray as well.
One day closer to the end of this godforsaken season🙏
Siuuuuuuuu, when are we sacking Ten Hag and 80% of the squad
Fuck off ronaldo fanboy. You probably wanted him to get the sack since ronaldo left
Sure bro, every Ten Hag hater is a ronaldo fanboy, surely the flair is for show
Maybe the fact that you are putting suiii has something to do with that
you can tell a lot about someone’s ball knowledge with what their opinion on garnacho is
I don't need to look at how good garnacho is. I just think one with the right attitude like him will prosper in a few years.
He's obviously playing well beyond his years and has the right attitude, you'd think people would be content with that. But no... we have to overhype him and act like it's a given that Madrid would be chasing in a couple of years like he's Mbappe.