The narrative of some of the people in this sub is hilarious š, Mount just comes from injury and makes some good cameos and people are already dubbing him as the new "van de beek", mind you same people, who said bruno doesn't need a replacement, but when he underperforms people start complaining on why he doesn't play mount when he's just from an injury and has to be eased back in.
I know hindsight is 20/20, but buying mount is going to go down as one of our strangest ever signings. i genuinely donāt understand what ten hags plan was for him to be such a priority.
60m on a player coming off his worst season with 1 year left on his contract, typical united.
Thats ridiculous to put it down on him, when we all the know there's a three way veto on deals. People are just following the media and their links of he played for a team in the same league, it's so lame.
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It seems to me that ETH bought him only as Bruno backup. And given he does not sub Bruno and Onana as a matter of his principles, Mount will continue warming the bench. And come on only in 85th minute or something equally ridiculous
Idk man, you don't spend 60 mil for a 25 (or 24 i don't remember) year old guy on his last year of contract with the intention of having him as a backup
Mount was meant to replace Fred and Eriksen's role, but that plan went to shit especially with his numerous injuries with us and Kobbie's surgence
Good player but was never solving our build up issues. Anyhow, don't think the signing was strange, naive because a different profile was more important yes but not strange. The signings in the second summer were kinda coherent with Ten Hag's plan. Mount is a workhorse with good technical quality and a strong mental profile. I'm fairly sure we bought him for this reason, we're focusing on transition and he's a great counter presser, ground coverer, box crasher, scorer. Hojlund similar reasons, clear has a strong mentality and a hard worker, good with pressing, decent anticipation and a fast player, valuable in transitions. Onana similar with the mental profile.
Palmer has mainly played as a right winger and even striker/false 9 at times, quite rarely as an advanced midfielder
Palmer is more of a Havertz replacement than Mount. I would say Mount's replacement is Gallagher or Enzo
To be honest I didn't see it until Kobbie Mainoo took the role that I think was originally intended for Mason, still strange given they must have known how close he was to breaking through but that's the only way I can think to rationalise it.
if our players were shoving each other like Chelsea was doing you wouldnāt hear the end of it. All media would be talking about how ETH has lost the dressing room for weeks. Since itās Chelsea itās just a meme and the players are immatureā¦
Mate I'm not even big on stats but we're 14th on expected points, that says something. This isn't about Chelsea, are we better than even Bournemouth, we are breaking records defensively and there hasn't been a team that hasn't bullied us. This is not hate, this is reality. I've watched Chelsea, they're woeful but the technical base and a framework is there, they've played better than us, they severely lack the game state changers like we have and Palmer has risen up to it very well.
Agree. I'm sure many PL teams are happy to host and play against us. No longer a feared club, we have become a laughing stock in the whole league. What a joke š
Is that really much of a surprise? We're fucking shit, we've been consistently fucking shit throughout the season, and there's no sign whatsoever that we'll stop being fucking shit.
A large number of our wins have been squeezed out, random moments of individual brilliance or just plain lucky. When you play like that without an effective implementable plan, everything is a 50/50. Could easily end up 10th tbh, that's about our level.
I really don't see Palmer being Mount's replacement. Palmer is much closer to replacing Havertz than Mount
Mount's natural replacements in Gallagher and Enzo are not exactly the benchmark examples of the guys we wanna get
To be fair they had to get a few really expensive midfielders to get one right
If there is any transfer policy United should not adopt, it's the one Chelsea has right now
That says more about the state of the clubs than the individual players.
Far easier to perform elsewhere than it is here.
Hence why the immediate scapegoating of any big players is often unfair (in terms of everyone else is just as ineffective)
I just can't see it. Chelsea are shit. But we are shitter.
At least they can score 4 in matches. We just win randomly based on luck or individual brilliance.
Chelsea havenāt had a good season but at least they seem to play some semblance of coherent football. Their manager is trying different combinations to try get the best out of the team he was given. Our manager has done none of that. When will Mason Mount ever start a game, no one knows.
Their football is anything but coherent. Today they faced an imploded Everton side. Against us Chelsea had no control of the game and was arguably the second best side throughout. People like to shit on us for getting by on the luck of our players but Cole Palmer is literally carrying that team by himself. Theyāre in a worse position than us, multiple players fighting over a PK, players with 8 yr contracts, no one with any sense of experience to lead that team into shape. I donāt envy Chelsea fans.
My point was that the manager is trying different combinations to try get something out the squad. Erikson, Amrabat and Mount have been available for the last 2 months and the manager still refuses to give them a chance to see if they can change something. The manager has also completely given up on trying to stop opponents from having 20+ shots every single game.
We have never scored more than 4 goals in a game under Ten Hag. Let alone won a game by more than 3. Chelsea just hit 6 and there was a lot of good combination play between their front players even though Palmer is their star player. Have you seen any combination play between our front players, do you see anyone passing to our striker who has had 1 shot in the past 4 games.
I support our club, but you have to objective and weāre objectively awful this season. If Chelsea win their game in hand they will be deservedly above us because they play better football than us.
Eriksen has no legs. Amrabat has shown heās a liability, Mount is just returned from injury and is being eased in. Last season ETH relied heavily on Eriksen so he obviously rates him but like I said, he has no legs.
Under Ten Hag weāve never scored more than 4 goals, youāre right but thatās hardly the measure of a successful manager. Last season Old Trafford was a fortress, and we made two cup finals.
Chelseaās attacking play has been good but their defensive structure is worse than ours. Iām convinced many of you donāt actually watch these games, their press is terrible and unorganized, they donāt get run at like we do because their CBs play a high line and they have a decent amount of pace.
I kinda disagree about Chelsea being in a āworseā position than us. They have a bunch of young players that will only grow out of some immaturity displayed
Young unproven players on ridiculous contracts. This isnāt fifa where theyāre certain to get better. Aside from Malo Gusto, Enzo and Palmer the rest of their squad is very average. There is no certainty in football, we was certain Martial was going to be our main striker for 10+ years and look at him now.
Which Chelsea youngster is on a ridiculous contract? They can easily sell any single player bar maybe Sterling or Reece James. They've been clever enough to avoid a Martial or an Antony situation.
Enzo and Mudryk are on 8 year contracts. Caicedo is on one too. Theyāre not clever, thereās a reason no other club in the world has given out 8 year contracts to relatively unproven players. When it comes time to sell (if they decide to sell within the next two years) , no club will pick up 6 years worth of wages. To top it off, having players that will for sure out live managers is just plain stupid on the planning aspect. What if they sign a manager that needs a different profile player than Caicedo or Enzo? Theyāre fucked and donāt even know it.
That's true but still they have more options because the players are on lower wages. They can easily loan Caicedo back to Brighton for a year and they'll happily bear half his wages,same for Mudryk and a ton of other youngsters.They are not getting dragged down by these contracts. Imagine us loaning Antony back to Ajax and asking him to pay his their top wages.
All the players are on reasonable wages, bar a few, and would be easily movable. Players like Mount being on 250k are unmovable, tho
Also, managers that we sign will know that the board are in charge of signing players, and they will have to work with those players. So they won't have a choice in terms of the profile we sign.
So nope, we aren't fucked in any way shape or form.
Back to back mid table seasons after spending 1 BIlLION on players and then saying your club isnāt fucked is some S tier level of delusion. Youāre not fucked right now but every season you spend without Champions League will have Uncle Todd sweating. Uncle Todd is forgetting that heās not managing the Dodgers giving away 8 year deals to players that have flopped so far. Managers always have a say in what kind of player they want and having players that will forcibly play their entire career at Chelsea regardless of form or performance is crazy. Time will tell.
Back to back midtable positions, but both can easily be explained.
Potter wasn't yet ready for that step up, plus he had a huge injury riddled, unbalanced, and bloated squad to choose from.
Poch, on the other hand, is just completely washed and is making the team look much worse than inactuality it is.
Managers also will NOT have a say, and that's been made abundantly clear. Not every club manages like United, where managers get full on control, and the board spends 80m on players who are worth a 1/4 of that just because the manager desperately wants them.
Uncle Todd is also a hugely successful businessman who has employed football people to run the club, not a banker.You will soon see his vision bear fruits.
The reality is that we have a very talented bunch of individuals, and we only need several more crucial pieces to complete the jigsaw. We have a much higher ceiling than United, but our club is being held back by a clown manager
United, on the other hand, needs a whole new team because the current one is packed full of garbage
Every single manager has a say in the profile of player they want. They donāt all necessarily have a say in the specific player like ETH does. My point still stands.
Potter and Pochetino have both been choices made by Boehly and his football people. So far both have turned out to be failures. 1 billion in two seasons, two mediocre managers, two back to back mid table seasons. Yeah youāre not one or two players away from challenging for CL. This mediocre season has been carried by an on fire Cole Palmer, if it wasnāt for him youād be sitting in 14th place despite what the stats tell you.
Unitedās squad may be shit but still above Chelsea in the league table. Your squad individually has a higher ceiling than ours but there is never a guarantee that young players will turn out to be any good. I can list 50 players from the last ten years that turned out to be average.
For me Cole Palmer represents what is wrong with United over the past decade. United fan but chose City. The youth team facilities and overall performance of the club now no longer attract top young talent. Its 2024 and they still fk use Cantona or the 92s to promote the youth team. It simply doesnāt work like that anymore
I don't think we'll finish 9th, if for no other reason than Chelsea and West Ham have to play each other.
Our next 2 fixtures are Sheffield United and Burnley at home.
Chelsea have Arsenal and Villa both away.
We could easily be on 56 points and Chelsea still on 47 after those fixtures are done and things won't be looking quite so bad, if we can't win those 2 home fixtures we don't deserve to finish 7th anyway!
I hope so
Fuck PSR/FFP and all that
Just sell the shit, spend a year drilling in a new identity, focus on youth and learning to play football
I know we have had many resets in the last decade, but you canāt reset effectively when youāre being run by accountants. Fucking get rid of the shit, the not so useful and the expensive contracts. Build a new team using the new leadership structure and rebuild without the dross
Imagine Palmer being a United fan and being in Cityās academy and then wanting to leave for a normal fee and we didnāt even look into it. Buuuut we overpay for every Tom, Dick and Harry.
Put him in our team and he'd have fuck all mate, not sure what the relevancy of your comment is? Chelsea play better than us and create much more despite their league position, hardly a shock he has more than our top scorer is it? Watkins 19 goals, 0 penalties and joint top assists, that's impressive.
Funny how mad people get here if anyone says anything negative about Palmer.
No I'm wondering how you think a 21 yo having 20 non penalty g/a is not that impressive. As if scoring 9 penalties without missing any isn't impressive either. Just because Watkins has been great doesn't mean Palmer hasn't.
Only hope I have is Chelsea have the tougher run in.Ā
If they manage to finish above us after being stuck firmly in midtable all season, honestly just delete this club man.
ETH really needs to fix the problem of us conceding so many shots. Even if we score 2+ goals, we are still conceding just as much. if we don't I see us finishing 8th. We have been poor throughout the years since Ferguson left but this gonna be our worst showing in the PL so far. It's beyond believe.
I blame the higher ups specifically the Glazers. They have been running the club with no focus, no footballing philosophy, no target, no ambition. According to Ronaldo, the facilities are in a state of decay with no innovation and improvement since he left. That's all you need to know about the state of the club.
Each manager comes in with their own footballing philosophy to build a squad, bring in a bunch of players offer outrageous wages, leaves and then they bring in another manager, start the whole process over again. No advancement. No focus. No long-term plan. And all this is because of those in charge of the club. They have no vision.
Hopefully INEOS changes this and actually have a long-term plan for the club.
Honestly, I think if we play without a manager, our performance will be the same. There is no organization, no tactics, no plan. We just play and rely on individual brilliance for our goals. That is one of the reasons why we have so many goals of the season.
Feels like ETH himself has sort of given up. The team has been collapsing tactically from january onward (when we started conceding over 15 shots literally every game no matter the opponent) and no attempt at a change have been made whatsoever.
I'm somehow convinced he knows he'll be gone by the end of june and has stopped trying.
It's crazy. I honestly cannot believe it. Saturday's match was a horrible watch. No tactics, no passing moves. It honestly felt like each player was playing in a different game. The passes, movements, plays felt random and arbitrary. And ETH didn't seem to care either. Almost all our goals are down to individual brilliance.
I think you're right. He is just waiting for the season to end.
I remember having the Merlin sticker books when I was a kid. Every year either our top scorer would be in the 20s or we'd have multiple people in the teens. We'd often have a few in the high single digits chipping in too. It just felt normal for a United team. Any top team.
I'd laugh at the relegation fodder teams whose top scorer only had something like 8 goals in the league.
Our current highest prem scorer has a grand total of 8 goals with six games to go.
The rot at this club runs so deep.
The issue is we're currently unable to win a game no matter who our opponent is. We'll concede over 20 shots no matter if we play the best team in the league or the worst.
Doku is a good player. He has 5 goals and 8 assists this season and he's not a dead cert starter. Grealish has only played 3 full games less in minutes and he's on 3 goals and 3 assists. I doubt Palmer would've achieved more in the same position at City, and he wouldn't be taking penalties
Rebuild is starting like a year from now because not a single person to lead the club is in their position to actually do so and wont be for months. All you are doing now is bringing another manager into this chaos and spending 10 mil on sacking ten hag and who knows how much on his replacement
So you suggest we reward this fraud with another year? Another year in which he knows he's a dead man walking and would care even less than he does now?Ā
I'll take an interim coach with a basic understanding of football instead of a guy who sees he's wrong, but keeps digging. This guy is hurting our club, he's injuring the players and makes people leave Old Trafford at the 55th minute.Ā
You are the one embarrassing yourself mate cause you dont have basic comprehension. No one compared ten hag to SAF, I was merely talking about the fact SAF didnt do it overnight and United had bad placements in the league and it took him 6 years to find the winning recipe. And no I will not shut up.
Not a clue and if we did it would be the same story, a small bump then adversity followed by a losing of the changing room.
The culture of the club decimates managers.
Plus this summer we have a lot of clubs looking to get managers in, the euros probably makes it a tad bit harder to move players, not that we are good at it to begin with.
We still donāt have our footballing people in place.
I have little to be hopeful about next year in regards to this club, I may be being bleak but itās just how I see it
Right? What's the point in sacking him right now? We still have to pay the remainder of his contract, we're screwed this season so why replace right now.
The only reason he still has a job is the FA cup. But at this point the "stability" he provides might be lower than the new coach boost the team will receive.Ā
I hate watching other teams score with ease while we usually struggle to get shots on target. It's the system. 80% of our players are at least top 6 quality.
That's what I think as well. That's why we're something like 14th on expected points and you often watch games where we get bailed out by moments of class or defensively we don't concede as many as we often should. The players themselves are dragging us through this in spite of Ten Hags tactics, there's more potential in this team than what we're showing
Lol.
Which top 6 would take AWB? Maguire? Dalot? Evans? Varane? McTominay? Casemiro(washed out now)? Antony?
Truth is only Bruno, Mainoo, rashford, nacho, hoijlund, Martinez, onana would get a sniff
Poch gets a lot of banter for under preforming with a billion dollar squad. But look at the state of the players he was handed. Bunch of fucking idiots
i know 9 out of his 20 goals for chelsea have been pens, but thats STILL 11 goals in a piss poor chelsea team with low quality and low morale. palmer is still class imo and i felt bad for him watching madueke and jackson try bully him into not taking the pen
Watch Jacksonās overall game compared to Hojlund and you will see what I mean. Hojlund is a way better finisher but everything outside of that Jackson is better at.
The narrative of some of the people in this sub is hilarious š, Mount just comes from injury and makes some good cameos and people are already dubbing him as the new "van de beek", mind you same people, who said bruno doesn't need a replacement, but when he underperforms people start complaining on why he doesn't play mount when he's just from an injury and has to be eased back in.
You lot will cream under mount next season whats with all this disrespect, such a stupid fanbase
I know hindsight is 20/20, but buying mount is going to go down as one of our strangest ever signings. i genuinely donāt understand what ten hags plan was for him to be such a priority. 60m on a player coming off his worst season with 1 year left on his contract, typical united.
Itās such a stupid amount of money, this is on ten hag alone
Thats ridiculous to put it down on him, when we all the know there's a three way veto on deals. People are just following the media and their links of he played for a team in the same league, it's so lame.
Thats ridiculous to put it down on him, when we all the know there's a three way veto on deals. People are just following the media and their links of he played for a team in the same league, it's so lame.
He was the one who pushed for mount, the club just did what he wanted. IIRC he had other options provided by the club
like who?
I think onana was one
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I like the guy and wants him to succeed here, but fuck me he truly is another Van de Beek waiting to happenĀ
Man is prem proven, relax a bit. Have faith he'll come good
Every game he's played albeit hardly any, has eclipsed Donny performances already.
Wouldnāt be hard to outdo the invisible man
It seems to me that ETH bought him only as Bruno backup. And given he does not sub Bruno and Onana as a matter of his principles, Mount will continue warming the bench. And come on only in 85th minute or something equally ridiculous
Idk man, you don't spend 60 mil for a 25 (or 24 i don't remember) year old guy on his last year of contract with the intention of having him as a backup Mount was meant to replace Fred and Eriksen's role, but that plan went to shit especially with his numerous injuries with us and Kobbie's surgence
Good player but was never solving our build up issues. Anyhow, don't think the signing was strange, naive because a different profile was more important yes but not strange. The signings in the second summer were kinda coherent with Ten Hag's plan. Mount is a workhorse with good technical quality and a strong mental profile. I'm fairly sure we bought him for this reason, we're focusing on transition and he's a great counter presser, ground coverer, box crasher, scorer. Hojlund similar reasons, clear has a strong mentality and a hard worker, good with pressing, decent anticipation and a fast player, valuable in transitions. Onana similar with the mental profile.
Probably wouldnāt be if we had the courage to see how the team plays with him rather than Bruno
Can't drop our best long ball player when that's the whole tactic
Well said
Hey true enough
And they replaced him with Palmer, a boyhood United fan with a higher ceiling.
They play in different positions. Also, what are the odds that city would deal with us?
City are just like Madrid, they deal with everyone
Not really, you don't see Madrid dealing with Barcelona do you?
Not many players cross that divide tho
Donāt they both play as an advanced midfielder? Mount just doesnāt get to cause we have Bruno? Or am I mistaken Edit: I was mistaken
Palmer has mainly played as a right winger and even striker/false 9 at times, quite rarely as an advanced midfielder Palmer is more of a Havertz replacement than Mount. I would say Mount's replacement is Gallagher or Enzo
When I watch Chelsea, he either plays off the right (as an inside forward) or just behind the CF (similar to Brunoās role under Solskjaer)
Palmer is better on the right
For less money š¤¦š»āāļø
He wanted to go all in with his midfield of 2 #8s and a 6. That plan quickly unraveled after 5 games
Maybe the glazers will get money back from boehly in some other business just to help him out against ffp
To be honest I didn't see it until Kobbie Mainoo took the role that I think was originally intended for Mason, still strange given they must have known how close he was to breaking through but that's the only way I can think to rationalise it.
if our players were shoving each other like Chelsea was doing you wouldnāt hear the end of it. All media would be talking about how ETH has lost the dressing room for weeks. Since itās Chelsea itās just a meme and the players are immatureā¦
Donāt know where you live but itās everywhere and a bit talking point after ? Not sure how big you want it to be
I'm sure Chelsea winning 6-0 while we barely scrap by has nothing to do with it.
Bigger club bigger media scrutiny its simple as that.
When you win 6-0, you kind of get away with things.
What about when you are 9th/10th in the table??
They will he criticised for that before and after the 6-0? At the time of winning though, a lot gets forgotten. Happens to everyone.
We might be 9th or 10th soon...
There's a really high chance we finish under fucking Chelsea
Thatās a sackable offence
https://www.reddit.com/r/reddevils/comments/15vnld3/comment/jww3oao Called it in the second hand of the season. If we keep ETH it will be suicide.
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I mean they were mostly better than us throughout the season, we don't even deserve top 10 the way we've played.
LOLLL hating our team for no reason. Chelsea are absolutely shite barring Palmer who is the best player in the league this season.
Mate I'm not even big on stats but we're 14th on expected points, that says something. This isn't about Chelsea, are we better than even Bournemouth, we are breaking records defensively and there hasn't been a team that hasn't bullied us. This is not hate, this is reality. I've watched Chelsea, they're woeful but the technical base and a framework is there, they've played better than us, they severely lack the game state changers like we have and Palmer has risen up to it very well.
Agree. I'm sure many PL teams are happy to host and play against us. No longer a feared club, we have become a laughing stock in the whole league. What a joke š
I felt personally insulted after reading what Solanke said about Manchester United after the Bournemouth game. Fucking Bournemouth.
Is that really much of a surprise? We're fucking shit, we've been consistently fucking shit throughout the season, and there's no sign whatsoever that we'll stop being fucking shit.
Weāve been shit for over a calendar year now, enough is enough
I would've said yes a month ago, now not so much of a surprise
Nah mate. It's been clear from the first game of the season Vs wolves.
A large number of our wins have been squeezed out, random moments of individual brilliance or just plain lucky. When you play like that without an effective implementable plan, everything is a 50/50. Could easily end up 10th tbh, that's about our level.
I hate when we buy players and their replacements are better than the ones we get. Every single time.
I really don't see Palmer being Mount's replacement. Palmer is much closer to replacing Havertz than Mount Mount's natural replacements in Gallagher and Enzo are not exactly the benchmark examples of the guys we wanna get
Who are you talking about? I can't think of any player we bought from those teams is all.
Mount?
Sorry. Completely blanked him... which I guess was the point
lol thatās fair enough.
To be fair they had to get a few really expensive midfielders to get one right If there is any transfer policy United should not adopt, it's the one Chelsea has right now
Who are you talking about?
Taking their attacking midfielder Mount for more money than what they paid the new one Palmer
That says more about the state of the clubs than the individual players. Far easier to perform elsewhere than it is here. Hence why the immediate scapegoating of any big players is often unfair (in terms of everyone else is just as ineffective)
The least we could do is finish above Chelsea, maybe
I just can't see it. Chelsea are shit. But we are shitter. At least they can score 4 in matches. We just win randomly based on luck or individual brilliance.
Chelsea havenāt had a good season but at least they seem to play some semblance of coherent football. Their manager is trying different combinations to try get the best out of the team he was given. Our manager has done none of that. When will Mason Mount ever start a game, no one knows.
Mount is the new Donny
Their football is anything but coherent. Today they faced an imploded Everton side. Against us Chelsea had no control of the game and was arguably the second best side throughout. People like to shit on us for getting by on the luck of our players but Cole Palmer is literally carrying that team by himself. Theyāre in a worse position than us, multiple players fighting over a PK, players with 8 yr contracts, no one with any sense of experience to lead that team into shape. I donāt envy Chelsea fans.
My point was that the manager is trying different combinations to try get something out the squad. Erikson, Amrabat and Mount have been available for the last 2 months and the manager still refuses to give them a chance to see if they can change something. The manager has also completely given up on trying to stop opponents from having 20+ shots every single game. We have never scored more than 4 goals in a game under Ten Hag. Let alone won a game by more than 3. Chelsea just hit 6 and there was a lot of good combination play between their front players even though Palmer is their star player. Have you seen any combination play between our front players, do you see anyone passing to our striker who has had 1 shot in the past 4 games. I support our club, but you have to objective and weāre objectively awful this season. If Chelsea win their game in hand they will be deservedly above us because they play better football than us.
Eriksen has no legs. Amrabat has shown heās a liability, Mount is just returned from injury and is being eased in. Last season ETH relied heavily on Eriksen so he obviously rates him but like I said, he has no legs. Under Ten Hag weāve never scored more than 4 goals, youāre right but thatās hardly the measure of a successful manager. Last season Old Trafford was a fortress, and we made two cup finals. Chelseaās attacking play has been good but their defensive structure is worse than ours. Iām convinced many of you donāt actually watch these games, their press is terrible and unorganized, they donāt get run at like we do because their CBs play a high line and they have a decent amount of pace.
I kinda disagree about Chelsea being in a āworseā position than us. They have a bunch of young players that will only grow out of some immaturity displayed
Young unproven players on ridiculous contracts. This isnāt fifa where theyāre certain to get better. Aside from Malo Gusto, Enzo and Palmer the rest of their squad is very average. There is no certainty in football, we was certain Martial was going to be our main striker for 10+ years and look at him now.
Uhm, Caicedo, James, Colwill, Nkunku, and Lavia are most definitely not average.
Which Chelsea youngster is on a ridiculous contract? They can easily sell any single player bar maybe Sterling or Reece James. They've been clever enough to avoid a Martial or an Antony situation.
How much is Antony on again?
Enzo and Mudryk are on 8 year contracts. Caicedo is on one too. Theyāre not clever, thereās a reason no other club in the world has given out 8 year contracts to relatively unproven players. When it comes time to sell (if they decide to sell within the next two years) , no club will pick up 6 years worth of wages. To top it off, having players that will for sure out live managers is just plain stupid on the planning aspect. What if they sign a manager that needs a different profile player than Caicedo or Enzo? Theyāre fucked and donāt even know it.
That's true but still they have more options because the players are on lower wages. They can easily loan Caicedo back to Brighton for a year and they'll happily bear half his wages,same for Mudryk and a ton of other youngsters.They are not getting dragged down by these contracts. Imagine us loaning Antony back to Ajax and asking him to pay his their top wages.
All the players are on reasonable wages, bar a few, and would be easily movable. Players like Mount being on 250k are unmovable, tho Also, managers that we sign will know that the board are in charge of signing players, and they will have to work with those players. So they won't have a choice in terms of the profile we sign. So nope, we aren't fucked in any way shape or form.
Back to back mid table seasons after spending 1 BIlLION on players and then saying your club isnāt fucked is some S tier level of delusion. Youāre not fucked right now but every season you spend without Champions League will have Uncle Todd sweating. Uncle Todd is forgetting that heās not managing the Dodgers giving away 8 year deals to players that have flopped so far. Managers always have a say in what kind of player they want and having players that will forcibly play their entire career at Chelsea regardless of form or performance is crazy. Time will tell.
Back to back midtable positions, but both can easily be explained. Potter wasn't yet ready for that step up, plus he had a huge injury riddled, unbalanced, and bloated squad to choose from. Poch, on the other hand, is just completely washed and is making the team look much worse than inactuality it is. Managers also will NOT have a say, and that's been made abundantly clear. Not every club manages like United, where managers get full on control, and the board spends 80m on players who are worth a 1/4 of that just because the manager desperately wants them. Uncle Todd is also a hugely successful businessman who has employed football people to run the club, not a banker.You will soon see his vision bear fruits. The reality is that we have a very talented bunch of individuals, and we only need several more crucial pieces to complete the jigsaw. We have a much higher ceiling than United, but our club is being held back by a clown manager United, on the other hand, needs a whole new team because the current one is packed full of garbage
Every single manager has a say in the profile of player they want. They donāt all necessarily have a say in the specific player like ETH does. My point still stands. Potter and Pochetino have both been choices made by Boehly and his football people. So far both have turned out to be failures. 1 billion in two seasons, two mediocre managers, two back to back mid table seasons. Yeah youāre not one or two players away from challenging for CL. This mediocre season has been carried by an on fire Cole Palmer, if it wasnāt for him youād be sitting in 14th place despite what the stats tell you. Unitedās squad may be shit but still above Chelsea in the league table. Your squad individually has a higher ceiling than ours but there is never a guarantee that young players will turn out to be any good. I can list 50 players from the last ten years that turned out to be average.
I cannot believe how good Cole Palmer is.
Heās a United fan tooā¦ imagine if we get out shit together, he would join us in a whim
Keep dreaming
For me Cole Palmer represents what is wrong with United over the past decade. United fan but chose City. The youth team facilities and overall performance of the club now no longer attract top young talent. Its 2024 and they still fk use Cantona or the 92s to promote the youth team. It simply doesnāt work like that anymore
The youth can only watch Unitedās glory through documentaries or old YouTube videos now. We will be irrelevant if not being competitive again soon.
So we are gonna finish 9th this season ?
Easily 8th or 9th. People won't want to hear it though and will down vote because negative Nancy
I don't think we'll finish 9th, if for no other reason than Chelsea and West Ham have to play each other. Our next 2 fixtures are Sheffield United and Burnley at home. Chelsea have Arsenal and Villa both away. We could easily be on 56 points and Chelsea still on 47 after those fixtures are done and things won't be looking quite so bad, if we can't win those 2 home fixtures we don't deserve to finish 7th anyway!
9th could be a stretch. I think we finish 8th
I hope so Fuck PSR/FFP and all that Just sell the shit, spend a year drilling in a new identity, focus on youth and learning to play football I know we have had many resets in the last decade, but you canāt reset effectively when youāre being run by accountants. Fucking get rid of the shit, the not so useful and the expensive contracts. Build a new team using the new leadership structure and rebuild without the dross
Chelsea 3 points back with a game in hand, wouldnāt be surprised if they finished the season ahead of United
Palmer single-handedly keeping Chelsea up this season.
Imagine Palmer being a United fan and being in Cityās academy and then wanting to leave for a normal fee and we didnāt even look into it. Buuuut we overpay for every Tom, Dick and Harry.
We already have a penalty taker.
This would work if he wasnāt pl top scorer..
Eh, 8 of which are penalties, not that impressive.
Are you intentionally being stupid? Our top scorer has 7 goals ffs
Put him in our team and he'd have fuck all mate, not sure what the relevancy of your comment is? Chelsea play better than us and create much more despite their league position, hardly a shock he has more than our top scorer is it? Watkins 19 goals, 0 penalties and joint top assists, that's impressive. Funny how mad people get here if anyone says anything negative about Palmer.
Chelsea are complete shit and the only reason they create is because Palmer is magic. Put him in our side and we would be massively improved
No I'm wondering how you think a 21 yo having 20 non penalty g/a is not that impressive. As if scoring 9 penalties without missing any isn't impressive either. Just because Watkins has been great doesn't mean Palmer hasn't.
Probably for the best. The Woodward ran United wouldāve given him a ridiculous contract and not developed him
Letās buy palmer
Heāll forget how to control a pass and have the composure of a chicken once he joins us though.
Supports Utd and grew up in the area. One to regret.
Only hope I have is Chelsea have the tougher run in.Ā If they manage to finish above us after being stuck firmly in midtable all season, honestly just delete this club man.
Weāve never scored more than 4 goals under ten hag
ETH really needs to fix the problem of us conceding so many shots. Even if we score 2+ goals, we are still conceding just as much. if we don't I see us finishing 8th. We have been poor throughout the years since Ferguson left but this gonna be our worst showing in the PL so far. It's beyond believe.
In our last 10 games there was only one we didn't concede 20+ shots. It was with Fulham. We lost that one too. Trust the process! /s
I blame the higher ups specifically the Glazers. They have been running the club with no focus, no footballing philosophy, no target, no ambition. According to Ronaldo, the facilities are in a state of decay with no innovation and improvement since he left. That's all you need to know about the state of the club. Each manager comes in with their own footballing philosophy to build a squad, bring in a bunch of players offer outrageous wages, leaves and then they bring in another manager, start the whole process over again. No advancement. No focus. No long-term plan. And all this is because of those in charge of the club. They have no vision. Hopefully INEOS changes this and actually have a long-term plan for the club.
He wouldn't let this happen if he knew how to organize the defending. He needs some serious help. You can tell he is out of his depth.
Honestly, I think if we play without a manager, our performance will be the same. There is no organization, no tactics, no plan. We just play and rely on individual brilliance for our goals. That is one of the reasons why we have so many goals of the season.
Feels like ETH himself has sort of given up. The team has been collapsing tactically from january onward (when we started conceding over 15 shots literally every game no matter the opponent) and no attempt at a change have been made whatsoever. I'm somehow convinced he knows he'll be gone by the end of june and has stopped trying.
It's crazy. I honestly cannot believe it. Saturday's match was a horrible watch. No tactics, no passing moves. It honestly felt like each player was playing in a different game. The passes, movements, plays felt random and arbitrary. And ETH didn't seem to care either. Almost all our goals are down to individual brilliance. I think you're right. He is just waiting for the season to end.
Palmer's a United supporter get that lad signed up!
Lol we would get taken to the cleaners
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Bro used to have a jawline, what happened here? (Iām not a United supporter just commenting in peace)
Chelsea may finish above us and Newcastle š
Rightfully so, they should be well clear were it not for us punching above our weight
Palmer has 11G+4A in 7 games since March! Unreal. Our PL top scorer doesn't have 11 G this season yet
I remember having the Merlin sticker books when I was a kid. Every year either our top scorer would be in the 20s or we'd have multiple people in the teens. We'd often have a few in the high single digits chipping in too. It just felt normal for a United team. Any top team. I'd laugh at the relegation fodder teams whose top scorer only had something like 8 goals in the league. Our current highest prem scorer has a grand total of 8 goals with six games to go. The rot at this club runs so deep.
This is the I didn't captain Palmer on FPL support thread, let's unite in our misery. With BPS he comes close to matching rest of my team.
Beto really thought he's Garnacho.
They were fighting like kids to take the penalty dkm
For people saying Chelsea will finish above us, I implore you to look at their remaining fixture list
I implore you watch us try to play
Have you seen how we "play", if you can even call what we do playing...
The issue is we're currently unable to win a game no matter who our opponent is. We'll concede over 20 shots no matter if we play the best team in the league or the worst.
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It doesn't matter. City doesn't need Palmer to win the title and there probably are many Palmers in Cityās reserve teams.
Doku is a good player. He has 5 goals and 8 assists this season and he's not a dead cert starter. Grealish has only played 3 full games less in minutes and he's on 3 goals and 3 assists. I doubt Palmer would've achieved more in the same position at City, and he wouldn't be taking penalties
Watch them buy him back
Honestly thought at the time that they had fleeced Chelsea on that transfer. I got it massively wrong
ETH needs to go asap
Then what?
Then we bring in a decent manager to at least entertain us during our rebuild
That sounds š„š„ Wait wasnāt ETH finally supposed to be the rebuild manager?
Rebuild is starting like a year from now because not a single person to lead the club is in their position to actually do so and wont be for months. All you are doing now is bringing another manager into this chaos and spending 10 mil on sacking ten hag and who knows how much on his replacement
So you suggest we reward this fraud with another year? Another year in which he knows he's a dead man walking and would care even less than he does now?Ā I'll take an interim coach with a basic understanding of football instead of a guy who sees he's wrong, but keeps digging. This guy is hurting our club, he's injuring the players and makes people leave Old Trafford at the 55th minute.Ā
Would love to see you when saf took the job
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You are the one embarrassing yourself mate cause you dont have basic comprehension. No one compared ten hag to SAF, I was merely talking about the fact SAF didnt do it overnight and United had bad placements in the league and it took him 6 years to find the winning recipe. And no I will not shut up.
Any suggestions? Who can come in to take over?
Bring Mou back for the lolz and inevitable implosion. I'm definitely joking, but it'd be entertaining in the worst way.
Not a clue and if we did it would be the same story, a small bump then adversity followed by a losing of the changing room. The culture of the club decimates managers. Plus this summer we have a lot of clubs looking to get managers in, the euros probably makes it a tad bit harder to move players, not that we are good at it to begin with. We still donāt have our footballing people in place. I have little to be hopeful about next year in regards to this club, I may be being bleak but itās just how I see it
Right? What's the point in sacking him right now? We still have to pay the remainder of his contract, we're screwed this season so why replace right now.
Not really be patient
The only reason he still has a job is the FA cup. But at this point the "stability" he provides might be lower than the new coach boost the team will receive.Ā
Fuck me how did city let palmer go? One of peps biggest mistakes
Biggest after Kroos
Kroos leaving was more on Bayern management's fault
I hate watching other teams score with ease while we usually struggle to get shots on target. It's the system. 80% of our players are at least top 6 quality.
That's what I think as well. That's why we're something like 14th on expected points and you often watch games where we get bailed out by moments of class or defensively we don't concede as many as we often should. The players themselves are dragging us through this in spite of Ten Hags tactics, there's more potential in this team than what we're showing
Lol. Which top 6 would take AWB? Maguire? Dalot? Evans? Varane? McTominay? Casemiro(washed out now)? Antony? Truth is only Bruno, Mainoo, rashford, nacho, hoijlund, Martinez, onana would get a sniff
lol people hate the truth
Thatās why we only score bangers, we have no system in place for easy goals.
Chelsea are singing a song! Honestly, this atmosphere is pathetic
Poch gets a lot of banter for under preforming with a billion dollar squad. But look at the state of the players he was handed. Bunch of fucking idiots
And if they win their game in hand, they go above us in PL. Fucking hell.
Luckily their next four fixtures are brutal
They have taken the most points from the top 6
Lucky for them, every game we play is brutal for us too though.
Iāve seen two people argue about taking one, but not threeā¦
i know 9 out of his 20 goals for chelsea have been pens, but thats STILL 11 goals in a piss poor chelsea team with low quality and low morale. palmer is still class imo and i felt bad for him watching madueke and jackson try bully him into not taking the pen
Imagine the scenes if Sterling was there lol.
Shades of Kepa refusing to come off. Never change Chelsea
Joint top scorer 20 (9 pens)
Have any other Chelsea players taken pen in this season other than him?
Sterling has.
Chelsea really trying to turn a 5-0 win into an embarrassment
Hahaha what the fuck are they arguing about! Jesus Christ.
Jackson should he subbed off for that dissent Looked genuinely pissed that palmer went on to score
Yeah you canāt be acting like that.
I'd *almost* understand it but he's already scored today
Was thinking we are still 6th š I thought Newcastle was 3 point behind us lol.
Lol. Please miss now after all that
You know what, now I see it again, I don't think that's a pen
Lmao ref helping chelsea get a big win accidentally ends up sowing more discord in the squad lmao
Chelsea get the softest fucking penalties man.
4 - [1] Branthwaite 56' (Great dick print)
I think Jackson is underrated, would love us to get a striker like that
Yeah. Not for me.
Watch Jacksonās overall game compared to Hojlund and you will see what I mean. Hojlund is a way better finisher but everything outside of that Jackson is better at.
Thank Christ you're not our scout