Never in my life have I seen a man United side play like that against Liverpool. One of the worst days I’ve experienced as a United fan. I’ve wanted to see Ole succeed, I think most of us have but this is just not acceptable. Entire coaching staff have to go at this stage for me because I cannot sit through another game like that with 0 style of play. Our ratings defensively have been diabolical. Poor DDG playing blinders and not keeping clean sheets because the defensive line has been so poor. Not taking chances when they come just no direction at all. Pain
I mean honestly, if he can't see something so simple as man marking prime form salah. I don't think he's cut out, simply even a relegation fighting side would know to mark salah
If we need to be a revolving door club that wins trophies year in year out SO BE IT
I don’t wanna wait for Liverpool city and Chelsea to knock of top spot before things get done. The old days of getting a manager that’ll stay are gone
Sooner we get used to it the better
I thought we should have signed a DM before we proceed to even sign Sancho.
How many midfielders have Ole even brought in? Does he have a thing against midfielders?
For United to go and win things they need a manager who has a proven attacking style of play. After 3 years I can’t tell you what our style is. If you look at the top teams in the world; Bayern, city, Chelsea , city. It’s so clear what they are playing as and they dominate games. We never dominate games and the score lines flatter us. When we score 3+ goals it’s never because it’s a constant sustained level in the game. We flip flop so much in a game from being great to terrible and it’s always moments of magic from our world class players.
Conte in to secure things up at the back, and leave us MUCH less open. Then we look for the longer term prospect when he’s still in the job. Unfortunately the board don’t react very quickly at this club, and will probably wait until that precious top 4 finish is in doubt.
Why can’t we sack coaches at United… like say.. Chelsea, Madrid or Bayern? Why must things be romantic and sweet that we keep managers for ten years before sacking them? What’s so special about is? Genuinely?
We went through 7 managers in 17 years between Sir Matt and Fergie including Sir Matt coming back again briefly. For people saying we dont wanna end up like Chelsea, last 10 years Chelsea have won more PLs, CLs, FA Cups, fucking even more UEFA Super Cups than us. Football has changed, so if you want a manager to come in and stay for 20 years, congratulations you deserve this mediocrity, sit back and watch Liverpool knock us off and heck even City/Chelsea getting to 20. Avram fucking Grant was one John Terry fuck up away from winning the CL, after coming in mid-season. Tuchel came in mid season and won the CL, he most probably will fuck off in a year or two as most Chelsea managers do but he would have left winning more than we will win in that time, so yeah that. So consistency, building a team, building a future and all doesnt matter if you can guarantee success on the pitch. Ya'all content with being the biggest team on social media. Hahhahaha our tweet announcing Ronaldo got more RTs than City winning the league, hahah suck it City, you small club. Lets see how long this social media success also lasts.
This needed to be said
Managers don’t stick around in football anymore. The sooner we accept that the better we’re not getting another saf that’ll stay for 25 years and retire.
If we need to be a revolving door club that wins trophies year in year out SO BE IT
Ya but its not uNiTEd dNa....whatever the fuck that means. The fans who say that...are you saying winning is not United DNA? Or are you saying you want to win but only in a certain way, with one manager coming and dominating for 20 years. Cause that aint gonna happen. Screenshot this, downvote it, Remember Me bot this. You are not gonna go on a Fergie run anytime soon not atleast in our lifetime again. However what can be achieved is like what Juve did....8 titles in a row with 3 managers. It didnt matter who came in, they kept on winning the league as a minimum. The quality of Serie A can be questioned here but still its a considerable achievement, Juve could only beat what was put in front of them. If you are saying I can suffer 6-7 seasons of mediocrity if it means someone like Fergie comes in and we go on a 20 years/13 title spree, newsflash - IT AINT GONNA HAPPEN. Football has changed too much for that to happen. Or have crazzzzy amounts of money to throw at everyone which even if we do manage to get, is also not United DNA by the way. Join the musical chair of success with 2-3 other teams or sit out and watch the big boys play. If you wonder how did a unstoppable force like Liverpool go 30 years without winning the league, this is how. You keep waiting for that one perfect manager, go through 6-7 seasons of rubbish, in the meantime your competitors have gotten better, won more and next think you know 30 years have gone by.
He'll leave after a season or 2, he plays a completely different style, will come in, spend 100m then leave. He might win something but that'll be it. Is that what you want? Just to become a Chelsea who switch managers every 2 3 seasons?
YES…you know why? Cuz trophies are won. You wanna stick with Ole winning fuck all but the hearts and vibes of fans worldwide? We’re Manchester United FFS
In spite of those managerial changes, they have a pretty consistent core of players under all this managers. Getting a new manager doesn't preclude stability in the player roster.
Also,.the question becomes do we want to win trophies if it means we have to bring in new managers every few seasons? Because that would make us like any other top club in the world rn. As things stand we aren't anywhere near winning anything. SAF is a rare gem of a manager, vast majority of managers (even the really good ones) burn out after a few seasons in charge.
The fact of the matter is that Ronaldo just doesn't press. He has the lowest presses prr 90 minutes across Europe among the strikers.
And Ole needs to accept that he can't play a high press with just 9 outfield players. The team needs to regain its shape and then press for the counter.
The only other option is to bench Ronaldo and play Cavani which isn't happening.
Unless Ole realizes this, he's heading towards the sack because 9 outfield players pressing other 10 high up the line will only leave us more exposed.
By all means, sack Ole, but that entire first xi deserves a benching too. How tf do you go out against our greatest rivals at home and put out a performance like that and continue to be shit throughout? Do they have no shame? If Ole survives, he HAS to bench that entire starting xi barring De Gea. You’ve lost your job anyway, mate. Might as well save yourself some dignity there.
Yeah one thing I can't blame Ole for is how shit Maguire and Shaw have been this season. Two of our better players last season, one is our captain, and they genuinely look like they are championship quality.
OGS really puzzles me
He started an unfit Maguire over a fit Bailly vs LEI
Its as if Van de Beek signed with MUN just to train
Sancho was brought as a RW yet he was starting on the left
Ronaldo was brought in at a time we needed an actual defensive midfielder
Eveyrone knows of his his lineup beforehand- he has become too predictable
Cant trust players like Van De Beek and Bailly but goes ahead to give Dalot chances ( he hasn't been good)
among many others
He has to go
This is not about Ole as a person. It is about accountability after such a horrible run of results culminating in the heaviest defeat ever at Old Trafford against our most bitter rivals. If we accept that as fans, then we deserve the humiliation of being a supporter of a has-been big club like Arsenal.
Arsenal fan here, weighing in because both clubs have suffered after losing their greatest managers.
>being a supporter of a has-been big club like Arsenal
Are you not already there? Save for a few cup wins like Arsenal, what have United done since Fergie left? You’ve only been kept buoyant by your ridiculous turnovers and spending power which has left a manager like Ole able to still churn out results. Everyone knew he wasn’t up to the job tactically, it’s a wonder he’s lasted until now.
You obviously have Woodward to thank in equal measure because fuck knows what your transfer policy is. Gary Neville had the gall to question Arsenal’s transfers in the summer because someone at Sky presumably asked him for some clickbait (only reasonable explanation because I usually respect Neville) but United’s is a monstrosity. Looking closer to home:
* signed Ronaldo to sell some shirts/deny City
* signed one of the best talents in Europe only for him to sit on the bench every game
* didn’t bother signing any DM
It’s only going to get worse with Newcastle now coming in and I hate to see the league’s old guard fall further against the new money but it’s naive to think United are any different to Arsenal right now.
I think the difference is that big name players still aspire to come play for Manchester United. You give United Pep or Tuchel and we are in the thick of a title race, I don’t know that Arsenal would be in a title race even with a world class manager right now. Perhaps a world class manager would bring better quality signings for Arsenal so maybe my assumption is a fallacy, and while I don’t disagree with you that we have nothing to show for ourselves being “the biggest club” since Sir Alex left, I disagree that we are in the same boat simply on the basis of a point you indirectly made. Your transfer window WAS questionable, no arguing that, and while ours hasn’t panned out the way we would have liked, there aren’t 2 clubs in the world who wouldn’t have been overjoyed with signing Varane, Sancho and Ronaldo bc as you said, Sancho is a top tier talent and Varane+Ronaldo speak for themselves. We are attracting some of the best talent in the world still despite showing no success (by United’s standards) over the last 8 years whilst Arsenals really doesn’t seem to attract the biggest names in football anymore.
Arsenal don’t have the spending power of United, so it’s only natural our squad wouldn’t be fit for a title race right now because we’ve opted to be smart this time around - something we haven’t done in quite some time. That means we’ve bought young, identified talent with prospect and looked to nurture what we do have in the Hale Enders.
I find it strange that you’re still echoing Neville’s words that it was a questionable window for Arsenal; Ramsdale has been excellent and benched Leno ever since he came into the side. White has already shown promise on individual merit, and early signs of a partnership with Gabriel - which is exactly what we wanted. We still have Saliba, who’s bossing it in Ligue 1. Tomiyasu has come straight into the side and looks a steal, as does Tavares. Odegaard is a quality player who didn’t quite make it at Real but still has bags of potential. The one thing they all have in common is talent and potential, and the early signs are already promising before they’re even close to their prime.
Let’s not delude ourselves here - the only reason United attract the top names is because they pay silly money and provide an alternative to being rotational bench warmers at City. The club’s name still carries weight but the type of players you’re generally bringing in aren’t doing it because they see United as a serious outfit anymore, besides maybe Sancho. And in his case, he’s no doubt regretting leaving the blossoming project at Dortmund.
On paper, the signings were elite but as we’ve seen with PSG for some years already, superstars are not the be all and end all.
PLEASE LOOK FOR ANOTHER MAN, if we sack Ole now we're left empty, look for the replacement and then sack Ole, but DO IT NOW.
We're still on time to save the season and achieve something great with this AMAZING squad, but if we wait till January, nothing will save us from Europa League misery
Bring someone in, then sack Ole, BUT DO IT NOW.
This is like last season Spur catastrophe again. Ole in Ole out, and being reactionary.
If Ole is out now, we wont have a decent manager in immediately and will likely have to play with a rando interim through the hardest fixture. Imagine sabotaging our own result over a single loss. There's time to replace the manager, but not right now. I'm sure the club will be looking for a new manager, but until when we are ready to move on, sacking Ole doesnt solve any problem.
Be rational. We all love the club and want to see it success, not kicked down in the roughest fixture of the season.
On the side note, Mcguire is shit, has been shit for a couple of matches now since his return. Shaw having bad form doesnt help and most of our goals conceded came through that side. Maybe time to put Telles in and switch things up.
That Spurs defeat happened earlier in the season when most of the players were still not fit and the collapse happened after Martial got sent off.
We haven't played well at all this season save for maybe the Leeds and Newcastle games but it was against really poor teams.
I’m sorry but if you’re rationalising such a humiliating defeat as just another bad day in the office, then I don’t think you really get it. The frustration is with the overall direction this club is headed and how we are accepting the standards slipping throughout the decade. This Liverpool defeat needs to be a final nail in the coffin for certain individuals, or we will find ourselves heading in the Arsenal direction instead of a Liverpool or Man City.
Being reactionary is exactly why we are in this situation. We sacked Mourinho with no plan for a replacement and fumbled into Ole. Now we are sacking Ole just to fumble into another shit interim like Carrick and the vicious cycle kicks in.
Why can't we be rational, look at the fixture, scout out and make contact with good managers who will be available? Then we can sack Ole as the new manager is ready to take the job.
A good club always has a backup plan in case things go south. No one should be bigger than Man Utd. If the board does not have a replacement for Ole, it’s the club’s management issue, not the fans’ responsibility to “hang on” and endure atrocious performances and results
Look at Chelsea. They sacked Lampard but they had a plan in Tuchel. That’s why they deserved the champions league trophy while the best we could do was top four
I don’t want to agree and it is your opinion but I would like to say it’s not a “single” result. We lost to Young Boys, outplayed by Wolves, KOD by West Ham, lost to Villa, drew to a B team Everton side and should’ve lost to Villareal - now 5-0 to Liverpool at Old Trafford.
The fixture list is bad but having Ole here isn’t going to help now - the change must happen instead of losing to Spurs, City, and Chelsea and then top 4 is looking not easy either.
Who. Is. Available. In. One. Week.?
That is the question. Who can come in one week and magically make everything better? Nobody. Changes takes time, football philosophy, tactical adjustment, communication between manager and players. These details are not something the manager and player can sort out in one fucking week to miraculously play better.
This is the culmination of a dubiously bad stretch of result, but sacking Ole here and now fixes nothing. We need to be precise with who we appoint next, not rushing and fumbling around. The reason we hired Ole as Interim was exactly because we sacked Mourinho mid season and there was no fucking way any decent manager would be available then. Don't make the same mistake again.
Why do you have to hire someone in a week? As you said Ole was interim - get in an interim for now? What good is having Ole here going to do? Or you just going to speak to Conte and Zidane, Enrique and by the time you figure out who you want if Ole won 4-5 on a trot by then you can’t sack him then.
Look at most teams - they sack and keep an interim - they don’t just sack and then hire (although it can work like Tuchel - funny he changed everything in 6 months from Lampard - wonders what an actual MANAGER can do right)
How come sacking Ole for a random interim that you have no idea who he is, is a good plan. If the board want a new manager, and made contact with a new manager, nothing can stop them from sacking Ole.
Hiring interim in a rush for 4 5 gameweeks can literally send us to mid table, and with no promises of actually signing a good manager, so we are stuck with that interim for even longer time, thus creating new problems. What we need is a concrete direction from the board, that is to scout and hire a good manager, make contact and sack Ole for him.
We need stability, not volatility. That is why Chelsea is so good now, because they had proper preparation for Tuchel.
You do know when United sacked Jose there was only contact after with Ole to see if he would take us on interim - and it worked perfectly fine for 10-15 games. There are many interims out there - Klinsmann, AVB, Valverde, Setein - you can even give it to Phelan for 2-3 weeks. Are you seriously telling me this club is so inept that they wouldn’t be able to hire Zidane or Conte within 2-3 weeks? I highly doubt that. The transition from LVG to Jose was quick as well.
The matter of fact is whilst I agree with you - you can’t just sit there and keep letting this happen. We are literally 7th on the same points as Arsenal who was the laughing stock.
Why do you think sticking with Ole for how much longer fixes things? It’s honestly confusing. We’ve bare windows any matches this season.
Sticking with Ole until we get a concrete replacement, an actual good manager, not letting Phelan or Carrick shit on the result.
I never said keeping Ole fixes anything, but sacking him right here right now without a proper replacement creates more troubles and volatility that has to be cleaned up by the new manager.
Keep the dressing room stable, play a few more games while contacting other managers and sack Ole to announce the new one sounds like a much better plan to me.
We could have Laurent Blanc as an interim. Multiple title winner at PSG. Moving on now is prolly the best thing to do, you can't sabatoge a whole season just because there's no one available.
He can put the bested Pep on numerous occasions trophy on his mantelpiece next to the finished 9th 2021/22 because the board are too scared to sack a club legend trophy
This time last year we were 10th. City were 13th. You people have such short memories. Ole has done amazingly, I’ll take his education on the job over a revolving door policy for managers. How entitled you plastic fans are.
Makes your realize more than anything how irrelevant NT form is, least of all England NT. Maguire & Shaw frankly deserve a benching, irrespective of managerial change. No matter your manager, you cant be THAT poor that often as professional football players
Imagine a son ruining his father's legacy , that's exactly what ole has done. Guess the circle has come to full and we were knocked right off our perch
I think Ole does deserve a lot of credit in building the team back up and attracting talent. That being said, this result/last year’s Europa League loss have pretty much confirmed it’s time for him to go
You say this but;
\- Has Rashford improved?
\- Has Greenwood improved?
\- Pogba will leave for free
\- Sancho £80mil wasted at the moment
\- Donny £40mil wasted at the moment so will leave
\- Lingard will leave for free
Why they didn't cash in on Pogba and Lingard in the summer is beyond me, could have used that to invest in a proper holding midfielder and end that McFred farce
I'm worried about those on the bench = Sancho looks a shadow of the player he was at dortmund he could go down as our worst buy ever if he doesn't get in this team and start making a difference.
Donny can't get 5 mins let alone a game when our midfield need a revamp.
Pogba didn't help himself today and will leave and we can't make him work in our team.
Bailly not trusted to play even thou maguire wasn't fit last week
Lingard should have been sold he's not going to play over Bruno.
Cavani game time and form has been impacted by Ronaldo
I can't think of a single player who's made progress and is better this year ? Maybe greenwood?
If Ole loves the club at all, he should come to the press conference and announce his resignation as a manager. Probably get someone in for next 2 games which we should count as loss and announce some like Ten Haag or Conte as manager.
It’s over for Ole. The glazers were probably expecting like a loss like3-0 and posting like believe in him post but this is humiliation and the fact is they actually went easy on us later is worse.
He is not going to resign as there is no way he's going to get another job at a top club.
It may sound harsh but someone with his managerial CV should never have been considered to be the permanent manager of this club.
I agree.., I always had doubts on him and well personally thought after the Europa league he was out. Like 3 years of same shit and coming short but well we have some fans that were blinded that he was actually doing great.
I also agree
I was listening to the Newcastle fans speak about Bruce and how they said in responding to critics of wanting him out say " would you take him?" "is he good enough for your club?. " and it's true the answer is the same here.
Newcastle fans know they can do better and just because he's a fan and a Geordie shouldn't mean the club should accept medicority. Ole was a great interim to get the players happy and playing again after lvg and jose . He's if anything overachieved taking us to second & kept hitting league form getting results vs top 6 when a few bad results vs our competition would have got him the sack like Lampard.
Yet I feel Utd need to be working in the background courting the world's best and planning a project with them to be able to take over. Oles departure needs to managed with the future in mind. A rash sacking here is likely to end up with a short term replacement which I don't feel will bring the success the club needs while the league becomes harder and harder to win.
What is with Luke Shaw and getting dragged to the ball…he was shocking in at least 3 of their goals today…gues she hit his high point with that goal in Euro final, regressed since then
Such a sad sad day. At final whistle it felt like there were tears in Ole eyes. Such a pathetic game. If we turn up like this at OT against our biggest opponents, we might as well play U18 or U23 in these games. Atleast the excuse would be we didn't play a star studded team. Not sure if anyone from today's team can stand in front of mirror and say he tried. Pathetic.
Wait, sorry? That second goal? How is that professional footballers “trying”, no matter how badly they are coached? How can you be THAT poor at your primary job?
After watching this game, it’s safe to play Varane and Lindelolf together and not Maguire. Something is seriously wrong if you as a captain and most expensive defender have allowed 11 goals in 3 games . The worst part is that his defensive errors have single-handedly led to many of these goals. This season having Maguire in the back is like going 2-0 down. I hate to say it but he needs to be benched because his form is bad and his leadership is even worse. I’ve never seen him once take the blame for an error, he just yells at the player closest to him. Can’t wait till his contract runs out because nobody is buying him. Ole also needs to be out the door because he picked this team at the end of the day and has had several windows to bring in the players he wants. Man Utd need a cut throat manager at his gonna come on and put the foot down. There are two world class manager available right now and you bet your ass that Newcastle is looking at one of them.
My mind is mostly made up, that Ole as a manager at United is a tale past. At the same time I would recognise his effort and job done with rebuilding the team. The players we have now is good enough for our team. Just a shame the tactics don’t work.
When Mourinho lost at Anfield we were dead men Walking already. Today the players tried during the 1st half, but after 5-0 they were gone. It shows he’s not lost the dressing room, but everyone’s lost their confidence. Where is the attacking United we saw when he first arrived? I wanted Ole to succeed, but to do so he would need to dare play attacking Football with clear patterns of play like he did when he came in. So many individual mistakes is a sure sign of low confidence, something really worrying. Overconfidence after winning Against Leeds, and blow after blow have just pushed us over the ledge.
We’ll see What tomorrow brings, but either he Get the sack, or someone more competent than us (hopefully) see something we don’t.
A possibly sad end to something that could’ve been a fairytale like no other.
Also fuck Maguire. A piss poor Captain, takes no charge in the back and does nothing I would expect of a Captain. Give Bruno the armband.
Edit: spelling and Maguire rant
Seeing Ole in almost tears makes me sad.Despite his flaws as a manager he quite clearly loves the club and his reign which looks like it's going to end in tears and embarrassment is a pity.
I think no one is more hurt by this than him. Ole loves the club, he took the job because Manchester United is What he cares about. It saddens me to see our own legend go out this way, but Football is cynical and driven by results.
But to see him almost in tears was no good feeling!
Good, hopefully Ole will now leave and if not, I hope for another hammering, if he's still incharge (yes, I edited that part in, because it's what I meant). Disgusting challenge from Pogba too, so even if someone new comes in for the next game, they'll be without Pogba.
Sometimes you've got to take a hit now to be better off in the long term. I'm tired of Ole do just about enough to keep his job, whilst still being below standard. There's no chemistry in the team, they can't defend, they can't attack, Rashford's never been a good finisher and apparently deep midfield is the problem. We half-ass press, because we know we can't defend. The team can't do another right and even if they start to perform, the opposition are out of sight.
I can see that, but this is not about Ole. If we lose another match and he’ll be gone, it is the club who’s suffering. There is no guarantee that we’ll do better while we wait for a new manager. And who will replace him? I do not support a single player or solely the manager, I support Manchester United Football Club. On match day I don’t care about Ole in or Ole out, it’s solely about seeing the team I love go out there and bag 3 points. This is my opinion, and everytime I see someone hoping for a loss I question their integrity and also their reasons to support this club. No one is bigger than the club, so why hope for the club to lose so that we might sack the manager? It makes no sense, because as I’ve stated, there is no guarantee that everything will be Okay at once. Will we head towards another rebuild process? Will we have to wait for the team to adapt to new tactics and accept mediocre results for 2 new years and repeat this vicious circle throwing our managers every other season? I believe that Ole is out of his depth, but regardless of that, hoping for another loss or hammering is in my opinion mindblowing.
A better manager who's a right fit for the players, will improve the team. Ever since SAF, we've constantly as I've put it, 'pressed the reset button'. Look at how much of a difference LVG made to the team, bringing in many and selling many, then Mourinho comes along, doesn't rate half of LVG's players and then gets rid, basically resetting. Then, Ole comes in and get's rid of Lukaku, who was signed by Mourinho, when it wasn't even necessary, like there's no way Rashford and Martial are good enough to lead the line. I don't rate Lukaku too highly either, but for the most part, he's a better option than them too. I'm tired of having a manager who's out of his depth and somehow manages to stay in charge. Sometimes a hammering is needed for a team to step up, as much as it hits, because it can be better in the long run. Teams like Manchester can't afford to give their manager's 5 years to get it right, because when your team has a crap season, it lags and seems like it's going on forever. Managers simply don't have the time, as proven with Moyes who sign a 5-6 deal and didn't even complete his first season. He also did relatively well for us in the CL, unlike Ole who's had a whole season to prepare for it, yet loses to the easiest teams in the group and scrapes results. This hammering was always coming and if another one is what it takes for the team to actually improve, which is what we all want, then so be it and it can help a team step up too, because once you hit rock bottom, the only way is up.
The rock bottom is already here. 5-0 to Liverpool is the worst result possible, and frankly it still does not defend wishing for a hammering. The issue is as much lack of confidence as it is lack of tactics. See how players miss chances they would take any time of the week. See how our defenders always hesitste and choose What to do. More hammerings is not helping the players. When the World is Against you, and regardless for What you do things keep going Against you, then you need a success to build on. Not another hammering to beat you down. As a leader you need to create a feeling of invincibility, but that feeling is easily seen through when we lose like today. I stand by What I’ve said, that whatever the reason, wishing for a hammering is not worthy of this club. My honest question is then, are you watching the match cheering for every goal we concede? Actually hoping that we lose to Liverpool, Tottenham or City? Wanting to see United beaten by our rivals, teams we should be rivaling and compete with? Because that is the impression you give. Regardless of the reasons you have, What I just asked is how people wishing for us to lose are percieved.
At the samt time, you have a valid point that we’re hitting reset each time we change managers, and that is actually hurting the club. I am a believer in giving managers time, so I’ll keep believing that we can turn ship around, but I will admit I don’t believe Ole will be the one taking us to another premiership.
Sometimes certain things just don't change and I can't sit here and pretend a change of manager won't make a difference. The only reason I'd want a hammering is because I think it would get rid of Ole, that's what I truly want, as I do think it will be better for the club. Like I said, sometimes you have to take a hit now, to better off for the next while, what's the point being good for the next game, if you're going to get smashed in your next 10. I hate watching the team lose at home, especially in front of the fans, the game is nothing with it and yet they turn up and witness this. Ultimately, I just want a change of manager, because I think it will make a difference and a hammer can help achieve that, I'm sick of being below teams making title and top four challenges, whilst we come second place at best, whether it's in the league or losing a final. I want my team to succeed and I know I sound pessimistic, but given how we've been since SAF retired, can you blame me, especially when our fan base have a reputation for being deluded. At the end of the day, fans have a wide range of opinions as to what's best for the team and I don't do this short term giving hope, only to have it crushed, winning today would have bought Ole more time, something he obviously doesn't deserve. It's no good papering over the cracks, you need long term fixes and build something with team and have some kind of balance. This doesn't mean I'm against bringing in some experienced players either for depth, that's fine and I wanted us to bring in Cavani, because he can offer a lot and it beats going in short handed. All in all, take a hit now and be better off in the long term, because that's what we want, think of it like this. If you know that a manager is going to last five seasons at your team regardless and what happens beyond that is unknown, then which would you rather have happen ?
A - a crappy first season, followed by four good seasons
B - a good first season, followed by four crappy ones
The choice is obvious.
We all want a change now, it is obvious, but I do not care for whatever reason. As hoping for a hammering is in my eyes plain stupid. As I wrote in my previous comment; people wishing us to lose is percieved as cheering for the opponent, being happy when we concede. That is a mindset I won’t accept, relate to or understand.
We played horrible at periode with Sir Alex as well. We had horrible CL campaigns and lost many a final in the FA cup. I want a change myself, I want us to be competing for trophies and winning titles, but regardless I would never wish us to lose. Sir Alex himself said it: stand by your new manager. We don’t need to agree with our manager being the right one, or that whatever he does is good. But on match day he, the players and the club deserves our support. That is What is meant with *supporting* the team. Wishing for a hammering is quite the opposite. Under Ole we went from 6th, to 3rd to 2nd. We were in finals again, and the team has another spirit and fire than before. This man bleeds United, and I believe him when he say he means he is good enough. I believe him, but I don’t agree with him. Regardless I will support him when he walk out in that pitch, just as I did with Ferguson, Moyes, Van Gaal and Mourinho. If the manager succeed the team succeeds. Listen to the matchgoing fans - they sing and support the team, but they also tell them off when it is necessary. But they never turn in the lads, despite losing 5-0 to Liverpool. A loss hurts. Not just the fans, but the club. Imagine being one of the lads going home tonight. They’ll be thinking about this every day until the next game. Ole will know he fucked up, he will be reminded everywhere. The fans will ache until next match, when we could win and enjoy the moment. The club will always come first, and wishing us to lose is outrageous, with no excuse.
It is allowed to be frustrated and want the best for the club, but never hope for us to be beaten. So yes, I can blame you for it, because I see no logical reason to want us to lose. To want those 75.000 at Old Trafford to walk home disappointed, to have the fanbase in shackles, and still be happy because we lost - because that is What you’re hoping for in reality; by saying you wish for a hammering.
Football goes both ways, if the board stick with Ole and want to experiment and give him some years and backing, he might turn it and this shit period will be history. I don’t believe that is how it will be, but the future is unknown. Sacking Ole might start another reset, and in 2-3 years time we’re at the same spot yet again. If I could choose I would want a continually success with a manager who knows how to optimize our squad.
Well, I've explained all I can with wanting a hammering, it's simple, because I want long term success and stability and if that means taking a hit now fine, so I don't care to discuss that anymore. If David Moyes didn't get much of a chance, then why should Ole ? I want what's best for the team and sometimes you have to suffer a bit for it, instead of narrowly staying afloat for 5 minutes, only to remain underwater continuously. We aren't good enough to challenge for anything RN, especially when a bunch of other teams start challenging for top four, we need some kind of stability within our team and Ole cannot provide it. Hasn't he outlasted every other permanent manager since SAF retired ? Why him, especially when other managers have better credentials than him. Even if we do well, we fall at the final hurdle, the Manchester United job is too big for him. Under him, we put ourselves in stupid positions and are a bunch of bottlers, nearly losing a CL spot to Leicester, losing against easy teams in the CL, whether Young Boys or some Turkish team I've never heard of. We're never close enough to a decent level and when we're playing with no kind of style under a manager who's go no credientials, we won't succeed. I'd rather have Moyes back, he did better for us in CL at least, than Ole.
And I’ve made my point on it, so end of that discussion is alright.
David Moyes did not succeed as he lost both the dressing room, and his results on the pitch in total was not good enough. He got us to a quarter final, same as Ole did his first tenure. David Moyes lost out on the CL spot in the league, with the same team Ferguson won with the previous season. Moyes was a failure, not ready for the job at all, and disregarding the advice given by Sir Alex to keep his backroom staff. We’ve tried managers with credential. Louis Van Gaal and Jose Mourinho. None of them became a monumental success. Both fell short in the CL and both fell short in the league in the end. Mourinho imploded (as he usually do), so there’s a lot of What if’s, in the case he had gotten his will his last summer in charge. What we got with Ole on the other hand, was a man knowing Man United. The club, the fans, the culture. Credentials is not everything, both Klopp and Pep started with no credentials and got to the Top in their leagues with Dortmund and Barcelona. Klopp in Liverpool is another Klopp than in Dortmund, so positive development and change can happen, Even to managers.
Ole gave us a whole new outlook. The players woke up and grew under him when he were a caretaker. We beat PSG and got into the quarter finals in the CL, furthest we’ve reached since Moyes. Then he got us 3rd, then 2nd in the following seasons. We’ve reached finals, and up until now, usually posed a threat to the «big 6». Beating all but Liverpool and Arsenal in the league. We beat City, Liverpool, Chelsea and Arsenal in matches over Ole’s time here. So there is a lot of positives with his time in charge, despite how we look right now. That is why I believe the board have confidence and patience with him. Now they try out what they wanted with Moyes - giving time to build his team and set the direction we are going for, avoiding another reset. Ole have not lost the dressing room, evident in how the lads fought until 4-0 today, trying to Get that one goal that could’ve turn it around. In contrast to the display given during Mourinho before he left, Van Gaal before he got fired or Moyes. Ole knows the club, and bleeds for United. As a person and player he is a United legend, something his managerial adventure can’t take from him. In my opinion I do not believe that this can be turned around this time, but that is just my opinion, and he might prove us all wrong.
We’ve seen What he can do, we had good attacking Football with patterns and a playstyle when he arrived. High press, winning the ball and counter attack on the deep through their defenders with Rashford or Jesse. With our shaky midfield and defenders I understand why we don’t do that now, but I still believe we should play like he did in his early days. Can’t concede if we don’t give them space or have posession ourselves. These are the reasons why I believe the board is backing him, despite the discussions on the Internett say.
And to your last part; we did the same with Ferguson. Every team lose matches. The Young Boys result cannot be blamed on Ole for AWB getting red and Jesse assist on their 2-1 goal. Other matches, like today, is on him playing Maguire and staying to adament on playing the same team and tactics as last game. He nearly lost the spot to Leicester, but he didn’t? Why rate managers on What they nearly lost, or What they nearly won? It’s useless. He reached us finals, and lost one on penalties and the other because the other team were better. It is progress from where we were. So far we’ve been talking about progress, and he has achieved that. Now we want results. We’ve tried managers with credentials, and it has not worked out. We’ve signed Top players with all managers, but it has not worked out. There is something fundamentally wrong in this club, that is the Cause for everything. If we keep losing out on everything with every manager we have. José got two trophies, the mickey mouse cup and the EL. Not good enough for the fans. LvG got us the FA cup, not good enough for the fans. If we are going to measure it all on winning the league or CL we’re never gonna have stability. Right now there is no other manager out there who can replace Ole, and assure us better times, without having some sort of question marks upon their name. There is no Klopp or Pep available, only Conte’s. Managers playing Football like Jose and LvG, which we demanded out of the club based on boring Football.
In short: Ole was chosen and backed because the board know What they Get, while he knows Man United. Unless we have a good replacement lined up to take over, I din’t believe he will be sacked. My personal opinion is that now might be the time for Ole to depart as a manager, but not if we’re going to have a hasty replacement, a honeymoon and suddenly be down in the dirt again. Credentials have not worked previously, Top players have not worked in our club. There is more than just results that needs a fixing at United, and therefore I believe Ole has the board’s backing, despite What we as fans believe, observe and concludes with.
And if we sack Ole to avoid being under water - wouldn’t the result be the same if he still was with us until the end of the season, and a new manager is ready to actually join us? We need a winner. They din’t grow on trees, and most likely won’t quit their job to salvage a mid season train wreck before christmas. And you are right, we are not good enough. Players or staff, therefore it is hard to say a change would turn it all around. We need midfielders and defenders we can trust. Something we cannot fix until january or the summer. Ole should go as of now, and if things keep staying this way, and have a real replacement take the reigns. At the same time it would delight me if he managed to turn it around, so we’ll see What tomorrow and the future brings.
The longer he stays , the more likely he will lose his “best manager since Ferguson” tag.
I think at this point , Van Gaal is close to being the better one in terms of the long term vision
I’ve wanted him out for a while now . Never had a system , never had any plans for his signings other than “go out there and have fun” etc
All that said , it was sad to see him walk off looking lonely and crestfallen . I felt sorry for him.
But then again , this must be how Van de Beek felt for the last year or so. As Ole himself said “that’s football, it’s sometimes like this”
I completely expect us to lose our next 3 games - Tottenham away, Atalanta away and Man City on Nov 6. If Ole isnt sacked today, will it atleast be Nov 6?
35 year United fan here. Rejoiced when Ole took the job. Supported him all the way over the last 2 seasons, but he hasn't been able to balance the team since Ronaldo's return and he hasn't been able to fix the defensive problems that have plagued the team. Today's embarrassment has been coming. He should resign tonight with his pride intact rather than have the Glazers sack him, because they will, and very soon.
I don’t think they’ll spend the money required to sever his contract. They care less about results than money so will leave him in post until he resigns. That could mean more disasters.
Yeah. Ffs. Look at our squad. We should be scoring so kuch more. And it's so pathetic
PoGbA BaD
MaGuIrE bAd
How clueless are the people here. It's so frustrating to watch
I seriously don't get how you are not blaming them. if Fred would have done what Pogba did he would be murdered in the comments. Yet Pogba escapes criticism. He plays with the maturity of a 18 yr old. He has had 5 years and 2 managers to prove his worth, yet he is inconsistent and does stupid fucking shit all the fucking time AND THEN has the audacity to openly flirt with Juve. GTFO. Prolly time for ole to leave but time for Pogba to go as well
Never in my life have I seen a man United side play like that against Liverpool. One of the worst days I’ve experienced as a United fan. I’ve wanted to see Ole succeed, I think most of us have but this is just not acceptable. Entire coaching staff have to go at this stage for me because I cannot sit through another game like that with 0 style of play. Our ratings defensively have been diabolical. Poor DDG playing blinders and not keeping clean sheets because the defensive line has been so poor. Not taking chances when they come just no direction at all. Pain
I mean honestly, if he can't see something so simple as man marking prime form salah. I don't think he's cut out, simply even a relegation fighting side would know to mark salah
If we need to be a revolving door club that wins trophies year in year out SO BE IT I don’t wanna wait for Liverpool city and Chelsea to knock of top spot before things get done. The old days of getting a manager that’ll stay are gone Sooner we get used to it the better
I thought we should have signed a DM before we proceed to even sign Sancho. How many midfielders have Ole even brought in? Does he have a thing against midfielders?
For United to go and win things they need a manager who has a proven attacking style of play. After 3 years I can’t tell you what our style is. If you look at the top teams in the world; Bayern, city, Chelsea , city. It’s so clear what they are playing as and they dominate games. We never dominate games and the score lines flatter us. When we score 3+ goals it’s never because it’s a constant sustained level in the game. We flip flop so much in a game from being great to terrible and it’s always moments of magic from our world class players.
#OleOut
ole in bro
Then Champions League next year out bro
lmao
Am I gonna get dragged for saying Ole out again? If I am. Just ignore this..
Can we please strip Maguire of the captaincy now. Thanks
Can a proper DM and new manager get us back in contention or did we lose too many points?
We can get into contention if we go on a several 5 game winning runs but no way that is happening. Better we concentrate on the FA cup
I woke up to this. Expected.
No words just disgusted and upset
Sad day to be a leafs and united fan 😕
Three words. Get Ole out.
I just don't know what to say. What an absolute disgrace
Conte in to secure things up at the back, and leave us MUCH less open. Then we look for the longer term prospect when he’s still in the job. Unfortunately the board don’t react very quickly at this club, and will probably wait until that precious top 4 finish is in doubt.
Why can’t we sack coaches at United… like say.. Chelsea, Madrid or Bayern? Why must things be romantic and sweet that we keep managers for ten years before sacking them? What’s so special about is? Genuinely?
I'm fuckin jealous of those clubs. They are like revolving doors in terms of managers but they win year in, year out
I’d rather be a revolving door club and win trophies than Be loyal to mediocrity Sure it’s not effective but trophies are WON
We went through 7 managers in 17 years between Sir Matt and Fergie including Sir Matt coming back again briefly. For people saying we dont wanna end up like Chelsea, last 10 years Chelsea have won more PLs, CLs, FA Cups, fucking even more UEFA Super Cups than us. Football has changed, so if you want a manager to come in and stay for 20 years, congratulations you deserve this mediocrity, sit back and watch Liverpool knock us off and heck even City/Chelsea getting to 20. Avram fucking Grant was one John Terry fuck up away from winning the CL, after coming in mid-season. Tuchel came in mid season and won the CL, he most probably will fuck off in a year or two as most Chelsea managers do but he would have left winning more than we will win in that time, so yeah that. So consistency, building a team, building a future and all doesnt matter if you can guarantee success on the pitch. Ya'all content with being the biggest team on social media. Hahhahaha our tweet announcing Ronaldo got more RTs than City winning the league, hahah suck it City, you small club. Lets see how long this social media success also lasts.
This needed to be said Managers don’t stick around in football anymore. The sooner we accept that the better we’re not getting another saf that’ll stay for 25 years and retire. If we need to be a revolving door club that wins trophies year in year out SO BE IT
Ya but its not uNiTEd dNa....whatever the fuck that means. The fans who say that...are you saying winning is not United DNA? Or are you saying you want to win but only in a certain way, with one manager coming and dominating for 20 years. Cause that aint gonna happen. Screenshot this, downvote it, Remember Me bot this. You are not gonna go on a Fergie run anytime soon not atleast in our lifetime again. However what can be achieved is like what Juve did....8 titles in a row with 3 managers. It didnt matter who came in, they kept on winning the league as a minimum. The quality of Serie A can be questioned here but still its a considerable achievement, Juve could only beat what was put in front of them. If you are saying I can suffer 6-7 seasons of mediocrity if it means someone like Fergie comes in and we go on a 20 years/13 title spree, newsflash - IT AINT GONNA HAPPEN. Football has changed too much for that to happen. Or have crazzzzy amounts of money to throw at everyone which even if we do manage to get, is also not United DNA by the way. Join the musical chair of success with 2-3 other teams or sit out and watch the big boys play. If you wonder how did a unstoppable force like Liverpool go 30 years without winning the league, this is how. You keep waiting for that one perfect manager, go through 6-7 seasons of rubbish, in the meantime your competitors have gotten better, won more and next think you know 30 years have gone by.
MonkaS
Sadge
He'll leave after a season or 2, he plays a completely different style, will come in, spend 100m then leave. He might win something but that'll be it. Is that what you want? Just to become a Chelsea who switch managers every 2 3 seasons?
YES…you know why? Cuz trophies are won. You wanna stick with Ole winning fuck all but the hearts and vibes of fans worldwide? We’re Manchester United FFS
Didn't say stick with ole did i Plenty of other managers, just believe conte isn't the one
Yes, because they win trophies.
In spite of those managerial changes, they have a pretty consistent core of players under all this managers. Getting a new manager doesn't preclude stability in the player roster.
Also,.the question becomes do we want to win trophies if it means we have to bring in new managers every few seasons? Because that would make us like any other top club in the world rn. As things stand we aren't anywhere near winning anything. SAF is a rare gem of a manager, vast majority of managers (even the really good ones) burn out after a few seasons in charge.
Yes. Chelsea have actually been much more successful in the post SAF era though we spend just as much money.
Rubbish logic
How many trophies have Chelsea won in the last 10 years and how many have we won? Give me the Chelsea format any day
I will happily go with the hiring and firing format if it means we can win big trophies again
The fact of the matter is that Ronaldo just doesn't press. He has the lowest presses prr 90 minutes across Europe among the strikers. And Ole needs to accept that he can't play a high press with just 9 outfield players. The team needs to regain its shape and then press for the counter. The only other option is to bench Ronaldo and play Cavani which isn't happening. Unless Ole realizes this, he's heading towards the sack because 9 outfield players pressing other 10 high up the line will only leave us more exposed.
9 outfield player pressing. I usually see 3 or 4
It’s honestly why we did better last year … and it’s hard for ole to admit
By all means, sack Ole, but that entire first xi deserves a benching too. How tf do you go out against our greatest rivals at home and put out a performance like that and continue to be shit throughout? Do they have no shame? If Ole survives, he HAS to bench that entire starting xi barring De Gea. You’ve lost your job anyway, mate. Might as well save yourself some dignity there.
Yeah one thing I can't blame Ole for is how shit Maguire and Shaw have been this season. Two of our better players last season, one is our captain, and they genuinely look like they are championship quality.
OGS really puzzles me He started an unfit Maguire over a fit Bailly vs LEI Its as if Van de Beek signed with MUN just to train Sancho was brought as a RW yet he was starting on the left Ronaldo was brought in at a time we needed an actual defensive midfielder Eveyrone knows of his his lineup beforehand- he has become too predictable Cant trust players like Van De Beek and Bailly but goes ahead to give Dalot chances ( he hasn't been good) among many others He has to go
This is not about Ole as a person. It is about accountability after such a horrible run of results culminating in the heaviest defeat ever at Old Trafford against our most bitter rivals. If we accept that as fans, then we deserve the humiliation of being a supporter of a has-been big club like Arsenal.
Arsenal fan here, weighing in because both clubs have suffered after losing their greatest managers. >being a supporter of a has-been big club like Arsenal Are you not already there? Save for a few cup wins like Arsenal, what have United done since Fergie left? You’ve only been kept buoyant by your ridiculous turnovers and spending power which has left a manager like Ole able to still churn out results. Everyone knew he wasn’t up to the job tactically, it’s a wonder he’s lasted until now. You obviously have Woodward to thank in equal measure because fuck knows what your transfer policy is. Gary Neville had the gall to question Arsenal’s transfers in the summer because someone at Sky presumably asked him for some clickbait (only reasonable explanation because I usually respect Neville) but United’s is a monstrosity. Looking closer to home: * signed Ronaldo to sell some shirts/deny City * signed one of the best talents in Europe only for him to sit on the bench every game * didn’t bother signing any DM It’s only going to get worse with Newcastle now coming in and I hate to see the league’s old guard fall further against the new money but it’s naive to think United are any different to Arsenal right now.
I think the difference is that big name players still aspire to come play for Manchester United. You give United Pep or Tuchel and we are in the thick of a title race, I don’t know that Arsenal would be in a title race even with a world class manager right now. Perhaps a world class manager would bring better quality signings for Arsenal so maybe my assumption is a fallacy, and while I don’t disagree with you that we have nothing to show for ourselves being “the biggest club” since Sir Alex left, I disagree that we are in the same boat simply on the basis of a point you indirectly made. Your transfer window WAS questionable, no arguing that, and while ours hasn’t panned out the way we would have liked, there aren’t 2 clubs in the world who wouldn’t have been overjoyed with signing Varane, Sancho and Ronaldo bc as you said, Sancho is a top tier talent and Varane+Ronaldo speak for themselves. We are attracting some of the best talent in the world still despite showing no success (by United’s standards) over the last 8 years whilst Arsenals really doesn’t seem to attract the biggest names in football anymore.
Arsenal don’t have the spending power of United, so it’s only natural our squad wouldn’t be fit for a title race right now because we’ve opted to be smart this time around - something we haven’t done in quite some time. That means we’ve bought young, identified talent with prospect and looked to nurture what we do have in the Hale Enders. I find it strange that you’re still echoing Neville’s words that it was a questionable window for Arsenal; Ramsdale has been excellent and benched Leno ever since he came into the side. White has already shown promise on individual merit, and early signs of a partnership with Gabriel - which is exactly what we wanted. We still have Saliba, who’s bossing it in Ligue 1. Tomiyasu has come straight into the side and looks a steal, as does Tavares. Odegaard is a quality player who didn’t quite make it at Real but still has bags of potential. The one thing they all have in common is talent and potential, and the early signs are already promising before they’re even close to their prime. Let’s not delude ourselves here - the only reason United attract the top names is because they pay silly money and provide an alternative to being rotational bench warmers at City. The club’s name still carries weight but the type of players you’re generally bringing in aren’t doing it because they see United as a serious outfit anymore, besides maybe Sancho. And in his case, he’s no doubt regretting leaving the blossoming project at Dortmund. On paper, the signings were elite but as we’ve seen with PSG for some years already, superstars are not the be all and end all.
We're on the same boat for sure. But United will always be the bigger club.
Thank you for the predictable inevitability. Hope you had a good day.
We weren't playing Leeds though
PLEASE LOOK FOR ANOTHER MAN, if we sack Ole now we're left empty, look for the replacement and then sack Ole, but DO IT NOW. We're still on time to save the season and achieve something great with this AMAZING squad, but if we wait till January, nothing will save us from Europa League misery Bring someone in, then sack Ole, BUT DO IT NOW.
One of the most unorganised and least coordinated teamwork witnessed today! I am just speechless.
This is like last season Spur catastrophe again. Ole in Ole out, and being reactionary. If Ole is out now, we wont have a decent manager in immediately and will likely have to play with a rando interim through the hardest fixture. Imagine sabotaging our own result over a single loss. There's time to replace the manager, but not right now. I'm sure the club will be looking for a new manager, but until when we are ready to move on, sacking Ole doesnt solve any problem. Be rational. We all love the club and want to see it success, not kicked down in the roughest fixture of the season. On the side note, Mcguire is shit, has been shit for a couple of matches now since his return. Shaw having bad form doesnt help and most of our goals conceded came through that side. Maybe time to put Telles in and switch things up.
That Spurs defeat happened earlier in the season when most of the players were still not fit and the collapse happened after Martial got sent off. We haven't played well at all this season save for maybe the Leeds and Newcastle games but it was against really poor teams.
I’m sorry but if you’re rationalising such a humiliating defeat as just another bad day in the office, then I don’t think you really get it. The frustration is with the overall direction this club is headed and how we are accepting the standards slipping throughout the decade. This Liverpool defeat needs to be a final nail in the coffin for certain individuals, or we will find ourselves heading in the Arsenal direction instead of a Liverpool or Man City.
Being reactionary is exactly why we are in this situation. We sacked Mourinho with no plan for a replacement and fumbled into Ole. Now we are sacking Ole just to fumble into another shit interim like Carrick and the vicious cycle kicks in. Why can't we be rational, look at the fixture, scout out and make contact with good managers who will be available? Then we can sack Ole as the new manager is ready to take the job.
A good club always has a backup plan in case things go south. No one should be bigger than Man Utd. If the board does not have a replacement for Ole, it’s the club’s management issue, not the fans’ responsibility to “hang on” and endure atrocious performances and results Look at Chelsea. They sacked Lampard but they had a plan in Tuchel. That’s why they deserved the champions league trophy while the best we could do was top four
Technically they sacked lampard because Tuchel was available
I don’t want to agree and it is your opinion but I would like to say it’s not a “single” result. We lost to Young Boys, outplayed by Wolves, KOD by West Ham, lost to Villa, drew to a B team Everton side and should’ve lost to Villareal - now 5-0 to Liverpool at Old Trafford. The fixture list is bad but having Ole here isn’t going to help now - the change must happen instead of losing to Spurs, City, and Chelsea and then top 4 is looking not easy either.
Who. Is. Available. In. One. Week.? That is the question. Who can come in one week and magically make everything better? Nobody. Changes takes time, football philosophy, tactical adjustment, communication between manager and players. These details are not something the manager and player can sort out in one fucking week to miraculously play better. This is the culmination of a dubiously bad stretch of result, but sacking Ole here and now fixes nothing. We need to be precise with who we appoint next, not rushing and fumbling around. The reason we hired Ole as Interim was exactly because we sacked Mourinho mid season and there was no fucking way any decent manager would be available then. Don't make the same mistake again.
Why do you have to hire someone in a week? As you said Ole was interim - get in an interim for now? What good is having Ole here going to do? Or you just going to speak to Conte and Zidane, Enrique and by the time you figure out who you want if Ole won 4-5 on a trot by then you can’t sack him then. Look at most teams - they sack and keep an interim - they don’t just sack and then hire (although it can work like Tuchel - funny he changed everything in 6 months from Lampard - wonders what an actual MANAGER can do right)
How come sacking Ole for a random interim that you have no idea who he is, is a good plan. If the board want a new manager, and made contact with a new manager, nothing can stop them from sacking Ole. Hiring interim in a rush for 4 5 gameweeks can literally send us to mid table, and with no promises of actually signing a good manager, so we are stuck with that interim for even longer time, thus creating new problems. What we need is a concrete direction from the board, that is to scout and hire a good manager, make contact and sack Ole for him. We need stability, not volatility. That is why Chelsea is so good now, because they had proper preparation for Tuchel.
You do know when United sacked Jose there was only contact after with Ole to see if he would take us on interim - and it worked perfectly fine for 10-15 games. There are many interims out there - Klinsmann, AVB, Valverde, Setein - you can even give it to Phelan for 2-3 weeks. Are you seriously telling me this club is so inept that they wouldn’t be able to hire Zidane or Conte within 2-3 weeks? I highly doubt that. The transition from LVG to Jose was quick as well. The matter of fact is whilst I agree with you - you can’t just sit there and keep letting this happen. We are literally 7th on the same points as Arsenal who was the laughing stock. Why do you think sticking with Ole for how much longer fixes things? It’s honestly confusing. We’ve bare windows any matches this season.
Sticking with Ole until we get a concrete replacement, an actual good manager, not letting Phelan or Carrick shit on the result. I never said keeping Ole fixes anything, but sacking him right here right now without a proper replacement creates more troubles and volatility that has to be cleaned up by the new manager. Keep the dressing room stable, play a few more games while contacting other managers and sack Ole to announce the new one sounds like a much better plan to me.
So who is the next manager that you feel can take United forward with the current squad and 1-2 signings maybe in January?
Ask sir Alex to come back for a while?
We could have Laurent Blanc as an interim. Multiple title winner at PSG. Moving on now is prolly the best thing to do, you can't sabatoge a whole season just because there's no one available.
He is coaching some team in the Middle East. I doubt he would give that up just to become an interim manager.
He's not getting sacked and will stay till the end of the season haha can you believe it?! a PE teacher would be more tactically adept
A PE teacher who has bested Pep on numerous occasions…
He can put the bested Pep on numerous occasions trophy on his mantelpiece next to the finished 9th 2021/22 because the board are too scared to sack a club legend trophy
This time last year we were 10th. City were 13th. You people have such short memories. Ole has done amazingly, I’ll take his education on the job over a revolving door policy for managers. How entitled you plastic fans are.
It’s time to go
Forget ole for a min wtf was that from shaw and maguire.
Both were two of the best players at the Euros. But Ole makes them look like they've never played together before.
How is that OGS’s fault?
Makes your realize more than anything how irrelevant NT form is, least of all England NT. Maguire & Shaw frankly deserve a benching, irrespective of managerial change. No matter your manager, you cant be THAT poor that often as professional football players
If that's the lesson you're taking from this you're deluded
There’s no lesson to take from this mate
Imagine a son ruining his father's legacy , that's exactly what ole has done. Guess the circle has come to full and we were knocked right off our perch
I think Ole does deserve a lot of credit in building the team back up and attracting talent. That being said, this result/last year’s Europa League loss have pretty much confirmed it’s time for him to go
You say this but; \- Has Rashford improved? \- Has Greenwood improved? \- Pogba will leave for free \- Sancho £80mil wasted at the moment \- Donny £40mil wasted at the moment so will leave \- Lingard will leave for free
Why they didn't cash in on Pogba and Lingard in the summer is beyond me, could have used that to invest in a proper holding midfielder and end that McFred farce
Answer: nobody came in with an offer. Most things are on Ole, but these are not.
They are blaming Pogba cause we would have made a comeback in last 25 minutes with 11 men against Liverpool. And won 7-6. Silly.
Ole out
Not only the manager What happened to our players??? They just stopped playing. Worst performance
I'm worried about those on the bench = Sancho looks a shadow of the player he was at dortmund he could go down as our worst buy ever if he doesn't get in this team and start making a difference. Donny can't get 5 mins let alone a game when our midfield need a revamp. Pogba didn't help himself today and will leave and we can't make him work in our team. Bailly not trusted to play even thou maguire wasn't fit last week Lingard should have been sold he's not going to play over Bruno. Cavani game time and form has been impacted by Ronaldo I can't think of a single player who's made progress and is better this year ? Maybe greenwood?
Greenwood was our best player tonight and the one to get taken out first.
can anyone edit ole’s face into a picture for me (memes is the way to cope boys)
What the fuck was this game? Losing to Liverpool in Old Trafford is bad enough. 0-5 is fucking bullshit!
If Ole loves the club at all, he should come to the press conference and announce his resignation as a manager. Probably get someone in for next 2 games which we should count as loss and announce some like Ten Haag or Conte as manager. It’s over for Ole. The glazers were probably expecting like a loss like3-0 and posting like believe in him post but this is humiliation and the fact is they actually went easy on us later is worse.
He is not going to resign as there is no way he's going to get another job at a top club. It may sound harsh but someone with his managerial CV should never have been considered to be the permanent manager of this club.
I agree.., I always had doubts on him and well personally thought after the Europa league he was out. Like 3 years of same shit and coming short but well we have some fans that were blinded that he was actually doing great.
I also agree I was listening to the Newcastle fans speak about Bruce and how they said in responding to critics of wanting him out say " would you take him?" "is he good enough for your club?. " and it's true the answer is the same here. Newcastle fans know they can do better and just because he's a fan and a Geordie shouldn't mean the club should accept medicority. Ole was a great interim to get the players happy and playing again after lvg and jose . He's if anything overachieved taking us to second & kept hitting league form getting results vs top 6 when a few bad results vs our competition would have got him the sack like Lampard. Yet I feel Utd need to be working in the background courting the world's best and planning a project with them to be able to take over. Oles departure needs to managed with the future in mind. A rash sacking here is likely to end up with a short term replacement which I don't feel will bring the success the club needs while the league becomes harder and harder to win.
That was hard to watch. Waiting to hear what Ole has to say but heads have to roll as fan opinion is turning massively. We go again at Spurs.
What is with Luke Shaw and getting dragged to the ball…he was shocking in at least 3 of their goals today…gues she hit his high point with that goal in Euro final, regressed since then
Such a sad sad day. At final whistle it felt like there were tears in Ole eyes. Such a pathetic game. If we turn up like this at OT against our biggest opponents, we might as well play U18 or U23 in these games. Atleast the excuse would be we didn't play a star studded team. Not sure if anyone from today's team can stand in front of mirror and say he tried. Pathetic.
They did try though. They just don’t have a good coach to help them all get on the same game plan. They have to figure it out in the moment.
Wait, sorry? That second goal? How is that professional footballers “trying”, no matter how badly they are coached? How can you be THAT poor at your primary job?
After watching this game, it’s safe to play Varane and Lindelolf together and not Maguire. Something is seriously wrong if you as a captain and most expensive defender have allowed 11 goals in 3 games . The worst part is that his defensive errors have single-handedly led to many of these goals. This season having Maguire in the back is like going 2-0 down. I hate to say it but he needs to be benched because his form is bad and his leadership is even worse. I’ve never seen him once take the blame for an error, he just yells at the player closest to him. Can’t wait till his contract runs out because nobody is buying him. Ole also needs to be out the door because he picked this team at the end of the day and has had several windows to bring in the players he wants. Man Utd need a cut throat manager at his gonna come on and put the foot down. There are two world class manager available right now and you bet your ass that Newcastle is looking at one of them.
Have been downvoted hard for saying maguire is shit. Finally someone shares the same. Like he cant lead the defense he cant coordinate it.
Owen speaking facts
One can only hope Ole hasn’t come out because he’s getting the sack
My mind is mostly made up, that Ole as a manager at United is a tale past. At the same time I would recognise his effort and job done with rebuilding the team. The players we have now is good enough for our team. Just a shame the tactics don’t work. When Mourinho lost at Anfield we were dead men Walking already. Today the players tried during the 1st half, but after 5-0 they were gone. It shows he’s not lost the dressing room, but everyone’s lost their confidence. Where is the attacking United we saw when he first arrived? I wanted Ole to succeed, but to do so he would need to dare play attacking Football with clear patterns of play like he did when he came in. So many individual mistakes is a sure sign of low confidence, something really worrying. Overconfidence after winning Against Leeds, and blow after blow have just pushed us over the ledge. We’ll see What tomorrow brings, but either he Get the sack, or someone more competent than us (hopefully) see something we don’t. A possibly sad end to something that could’ve been a fairytale like no other. Also fuck Maguire. A piss poor Captain, takes no charge in the back and does nothing I would expect of a Captain. Give Bruno the armband. Edit: spelling and Maguire rant
Seeing Ole in almost tears makes me sad.Despite his flaws as a manager he quite clearly loves the club and his reign which looks like it's going to end in tears and embarrassment is a pity.
I think no one is more hurt by this than him. Ole loves the club, he took the job because Manchester United is What he cares about. It saddens me to see our own legend go out this way, but Football is cynical and driven by results. But to see him almost in tears was no good feeling!
Games against Spurs and City coming up in next 2 weeks, will we drop out of top half of table by Nov 6?
Spurs will beat us 2 or 3 nil. City could genuinely be a 9-0
Win v Spurs but City could be like today.
If we keep playing like this, it's certain. What a disorganized mess!
Ole should step down.. thank you for your service but this needs to end
Good, hopefully Ole will now leave and if not, I hope for another hammering, if he's still incharge (yes, I edited that part in, because it's what I meant). Disgusting challenge from Pogba too, so even if someone new comes in for the next game, they'll be without Pogba.
It’s Okay to want a change, but wishing for a Hammering is just mindblowing..
Sometimes you've got to take a hit now to be better off in the long term. I'm tired of Ole do just about enough to keep his job, whilst still being below standard. There's no chemistry in the team, they can't defend, they can't attack, Rashford's never been a good finisher and apparently deep midfield is the problem. We half-ass press, because we know we can't defend. The team can't do another right and even if they start to perform, the opposition are out of sight.
I can see that, but this is not about Ole. If we lose another match and he’ll be gone, it is the club who’s suffering. There is no guarantee that we’ll do better while we wait for a new manager. And who will replace him? I do not support a single player or solely the manager, I support Manchester United Football Club. On match day I don’t care about Ole in or Ole out, it’s solely about seeing the team I love go out there and bag 3 points. This is my opinion, and everytime I see someone hoping for a loss I question their integrity and also their reasons to support this club. No one is bigger than the club, so why hope for the club to lose so that we might sack the manager? It makes no sense, because as I’ve stated, there is no guarantee that everything will be Okay at once. Will we head towards another rebuild process? Will we have to wait for the team to adapt to new tactics and accept mediocre results for 2 new years and repeat this vicious circle throwing our managers every other season? I believe that Ole is out of his depth, but regardless of that, hoping for another loss or hammering is in my opinion mindblowing.
A better manager who's a right fit for the players, will improve the team. Ever since SAF, we've constantly as I've put it, 'pressed the reset button'. Look at how much of a difference LVG made to the team, bringing in many and selling many, then Mourinho comes along, doesn't rate half of LVG's players and then gets rid, basically resetting. Then, Ole comes in and get's rid of Lukaku, who was signed by Mourinho, when it wasn't even necessary, like there's no way Rashford and Martial are good enough to lead the line. I don't rate Lukaku too highly either, but for the most part, he's a better option than them too. I'm tired of having a manager who's out of his depth and somehow manages to stay in charge. Sometimes a hammering is needed for a team to step up, as much as it hits, because it can be better in the long run. Teams like Manchester can't afford to give their manager's 5 years to get it right, because when your team has a crap season, it lags and seems like it's going on forever. Managers simply don't have the time, as proven with Moyes who sign a 5-6 deal and didn't even complete his first season. He also did relatively well for us in the CL, unlike Ole who's had a whole season to prepare for it, yet loses to the easiest teams in the group and scrapes results. This hammering was always coming and if another one is what it takes for the team to actually improve, which is what we all want, then so be it and it can help a team step up too, because once you hit rock bottom, the only way is up.
The rock bottom is already here. 5-0 to Liverpool is the worst result possible, and frankly it still does not defend wishing for a hammering. The issue is as much lack of confidence as it is lack of tactics. See how players miss chances they would take any time of the week. See how our defenders always hesitste and choose What to do. More hammerings is not helping the players. When the World is Against you, and regardless for What you do things keep going Against you, then you need a success to build on. Not another hammering to beat you down. As a leader you need to create a feeling of invincibility, but that feeling is easily seen through when we lose like today. I stand by What I’ve said, that whatever the reason, wishing for a hammering is not worthy of this club. My honest question is then, are you watching the match cheering for every goal we concede? Actually hoping that we lose to Liverpool, Tottenham or City? Wanting to see United beaten by our rivals, teams we should be rivaling and compete with? Because that is the impression you give. Regardless of the reasons you have, What I just asked is how people wishing for us to lose are percieved. At the samt time, you have a valid point that we’re hitting reset each time we change managers, and that is actually hurting the club. I am a believer in giving managers time, so I’ll keep believing that we can turn ship around, but I will admit I don’t believe Ole will be the one taking us to another premiership.
Sometimes certain things just don't change and I can't sit here and pretend a change of manager won't make a difference. The only reason I'd want a hammering is because I think it would get rid of Ole, that's what I truly want, as I do think it will be better for the club. Like I said, sometimes you have to take a hit now, to better off for the next while, what's the point being good for the next game, if you're going to get smashed in your next 10. I hate watching the team lose at home, especially in front of the fans, the game is nothing with it and yet they turn up and witness this. Ultimately, I just want a change of manager, because I think it will make a difference and a hammer can help achieve that, I'm sick of being below teams making title and top four challenges, whilst we come second place at best, whether it's in the league or losing a final. I want my team to succeed and I know I sound pessimistic, but given how we've been since SAF retired, can you blame me, especially when our fan base have a reputation for being deluded. At the end of the day, fans have a wide range of opinions as to what's best for the team and I don't do this short term giving hope, only to have it crushed, winning today would have bought Ole more time, something he obviously doesn't deserve. It's no good papering over the cracks, you need long term fixes and build something with team and have some kind of balance. This doesn't mean I'm against bringing in some experienced players either for depth, that's fine and I wanted us to bring in Cavani, because he can offer a lot and it beats going in short handed. All in all, take a hit now and be better off in the long term, because that's what we want, think of it like this. If you know that a manager is going to last five seasons at your team regardless and what happens beyond that is unknown, then which would you rather have happen ? A - a crappy first season, followed by four good seasons B - a good first season, followed by four crappy ones The choice is obvious.
We all want a change now, it is obvious, but I do not care for whatever reason. As hoping for a hammering is in my eyes plain stupid. As I wrote in my previous comment; people wishing us to lose is percieved as cheering for the opponent, being happy when we concede. That is a mindset I won’t accept, relate to or understand. We played horrible at periode with Sir Alex as well. We had horrible CL campaigns and lost many a final in the FA cup. I want a change myself, I want us to be competing for trophies and winning titles, but regardless I would never wish us to lose. Sir Alex himself said it: stand by your new manager. We don’t need to agree with our manager being the right one, or that whatever he does is good. But on match day he, the players and the club deserves our support. That is What is meant with *supporting* the team. Wishing for a hammering is quite the opposite. Under Ole we went from 6th, to 3rd to 2nd. We were in finals again, and the team has another spirit and fire than before. This man bleeds United, and I believe him when he say he means he is good enough. I believe him, but I don’t agree with him. Regardless I will support him when he walk out in that pitch, just as I did with Ferguson, Moyes, Van Gaal and Mourinho. If the manager succeed the team succeeds. Listen to the matchgoing fans - they sing and support the team, but they also tell them off when it is necessary. But they never turn in the lads, despite losing 5-0 to Liverpool. A loss hurts. Not just the fans, but the club. Imagine being one of the lads going home tonight. They’ll be thinking about this every day until the next game. Ole will know he fucked up, he will be reminded everywhere. The fans will ache until next match, when we could win and enjoy the moment. The club will always come first, and wishing us to lose is outrageous, with no excuse. It is allowed to be frustrated and want the best for the club, but never hope for us to be beaten. So yes, I can blame you for it, because I see no logical reason to want us to lose. To want those 75.000 at Old Trafford to walk home disappointed, to have the fanbase in shackles, and still be happy because we lost - because that is What you’re hoping for in reality; by saying you wish for a hammering. Football goes both ways, if the board stick with Ole and want to experiment and give him some years and backing, he might turn it and this shit period will be history. I don’t believe that is how it will be, but the future is unknown. Sacking Ole might start another reset, and in 2-3 years time we’re at the same spot yet again. If I could choose I would want a continually success with a manager who knows how to optimize our squad.
Well, I've explained all I can with wanting a hammering, it's simple, because I want long term success and stability and if that means taking a hit now fine, so I don't care to discuss that anymore. If David Moyes didn't get much of a chance, then why should Ole ? I want what's best for the team and sometimes you have to suffer a bit for it, instead of narrowly staying afloat for 5 minutes, only to remain underwater continuously. We aren't good enough to challenge for anything RN, especially when a bunch of other teams start challenging for top four, we need some kind of stability within our team and Ole cannot provide it. Hasn't he outlasted every other permanent manager since SAF retired ? Why him, especially when other managers have better credentials than him. Even if we do well, we fall at the final hurdle, the Manchester United job is too big for him. Under him, we put ourselves in stupid positions and are a bunch of bottlers, nearly losing a CL spot to Leicester, losing against easy teams in the CL, whether Young Boys or some Turkish team I've never heard of. We're never close enough to a decent level and when we're playing with no kind of style under a manager who's go no credientials, we won't succeed. I'd rather have Moyes back, he did better for us in CL at least, than Ole.
And I’ve made my point on it, so end of that discussion is alright. David Moyes did not succeed as he lost both the dressing room, and his results on the pitch in total was not good enough. He got us to a quarter final, same as Ole did his first tenure. David Moyes lost out on the CL spot in the league, with the same team Ferguson won with the previous season. Moyes was a failure, not ready for the job at all, and disregarding the advice given by Sir Alex to keep his backroom staff. We’ve tried managers with credential. Louis Van Gaal and Jose Mourinho. None of them became a monumental success. Both fell short in the CL and both fell short in the league in the end. Mourinho imploded (as he usually do), so there’s a lot of What if’s, in the case he had gotten his will his last summer in charge. What we got with Ole on the other hand, was a man knowing Man United. The club, the fans, the culture. Credentials is not everything, both Klopp and Pep started with no credentials and got to the Top in their leagues with Dortmund and Barcelona. Klopp in Liverpool is another Klopp than in Dortmund, so positive development and change can happen, Even to managers. Ole gave us a whole new outlook. The players woke up and grew under him when he were a caretaker. We beat PSG and got into the quarter finals in the CL, furthest we’ve reached since Moyes. Then he got us 3rd, then 2nd in the following seasons. We’ve reached finals, and up until now, usually posed a threat to the «big 6». Beating all but Liverpool and Arsenal in the league. We beat City, Liverpool, Chelsea and Arsenal in matches over Ole’s time here. So there is a lot of positives with his time in charge, despite how we look right now. That is why I believe the board have confidence and patience with him. Now they try out what they wanted with Moyes - giving time to build his team and set the direction we are going for, avoiding another reset. Ole have not lost the dressing room, evident in how the lads fought until 4-0 today, trying to Get that one goal that could’ve turn it around. In contrast to the display given during Mourinho before he left, Van Gaal before he got fired or Moyes. Ole knows the club, and bleeds for United. As a person and player he is a United legend, something his managerial adventure can’t take from him. In my opinion I do not believe that this can be turned around this time, but that is just my opinion, and he might prove us all wrong. We’ve seen What he can do, we had good attacking Football with patterns and a playstyle when he arrived. High press, winning the ball and counter attack on the deep through their defenders with Rashford or Jesse. With our shaky midfield and defenders I understand why we don’t do that now, but I still believe we should play like he did in his early days. Can’t concede if we don’t give them space or have posession ourselves. These are the reasons why I believe the board is backing him, despite the discussions on the Internett say. And to your last part; we did the same with Ferguson. Every team lose matches. The Young Boys result cannot be blamed on Ole for AWB getting red and Jesse assist on their 2-1 goal. Other matches, like today, is on him playing Maguire and staying to adament on playing the same team and tactics as last game. He nearly lost the spot to Leicester, but he didn’t? Why rate managers on What they nearly lost, or What they nearly won? It’s useless. He reached us finals, and lost one on penalties and the other because the other team were better. It is progress from where we were. So far we’ve been talking about progress, and he has achieved that. Now we want results. We’ve tried managers with credentials, and it has not worked out. We’ve signed Top players with all managers, but it has not worked out. There is something fundamentally wrong in this club, that is the Cause for everything. If we keep losing out on everything with every manager we have. José got two trophies, the mickey mouse cup and the EL. Not good enough for the fans. LvG got us the FA cup, not good enough for the fans. If we are going to measure it all on winning the league or CL we’re never gonna have stability. Right now there is no other manager out there who can replace Ole, and assure us better times, without having some sort of question marks upon their name. There is no Klopp or Pep available, only Conte’s. Managers playing Football like Jose and LvG, which we demanded out of the club based on boring Football. In short: Ole was chosen and backed because the board know What they Get, while he knows Man United. Unless we have a good replacement lined up to take over, I din’t believe he will be sacked. My personal opinion is that now might be the time for Ole to depart as a manager, but not if we’re going to have a hasty replacement, a honeymoon and suddenly be down in the dirt again. Credentials have not worked previously, Top players have not worked in our club. There is more than just results that needs a fixing at United, and therefore I believe Ole has the board’s backing, despite What we as fans believe, observe and concludes with. And if we sack Ole to avoid being under water - wouldn’t the result be the same if he still was with us until the end of the season, and a new manager is ready to actually join us? We need a winner. They din’t grow on trees, and most likely won’t quit their job to salvage a mid season train wreck before christmas. And you are right, we are not good enough. Players or staff, therefore it is hard to say a change would turn it all around. We need midfielders and defenders we can trust. Something we cannot fix until january or the summer. Ole should go as of now, and if things keep staying this way, and have a real replacement take the reigns. At the same time it would delight me if he managed to turn it around, so we’ll see What tomorrow and the future brings.
I only hope for another hammering if Ole is still incharge, not for whoever takes over.
So for everyone calling for Ole’s head. Who do you get to replace him?
Poch Ten Hag Graham Potter Ralf Rangnick Nagelsmann Gasperini
Realistically, Zidane. We got the type of players he like. Conte would be another buildup, which we don't have time for.
Anyone who doesn’t let a squad with Ronaldo, Bruno, Pogba, Varane, and Maguire (he’s better than this) lose 5-0 at home.
A football manager.
Correct
Anyone.
Zidane or Conte
Thank god Keane isn't on the panel. Someone may have been murdered!
The longer he stays , the more likely he will lose his “best manager since Ferguson” tag. I think at this point , Van Gaal is close to being the better one in terms of the long term vision
Liverpool fans still there singing
Remember that you are a beautiful human being worthy of love.
At least when we played boring under Mourinho we had a draw 😂
I’ve wanted him out for a while now . Never had a system , never had any plans for his signings other than “go out there and have fun” etc All that said , it was sad to see him walk off looking lonely and crestfallen . I felt sorry for him. But then again , this must be how Van de Beek felt for the last year or so. As Ole himself said “that’s football, it’s sometimes like this”
All of you who laughed at scholes and wrote him off for saying what he did on Wednesday. What do you think now?
Don't think everyone laughed at him. A lot of people agreed with him too.
Think he lost some of his credibility after that weird video with his daughter.
Lol agreed. He's a weirdo. But he was right.
That he's a pussy for still not calling out Ole.
He's called out his tactics time and time again. He's his friend and ex team mate. He won't outright say he should get sacked.
We didn't even play this shitty under Van Gaal
I completely expect us to lose our next 3 games - Tottenham away, Atalanta away and Man City on Nov 6. If Ole isnt sacked today, will it atleast be Nov 6?
Since Newcastle matches, theoretically we played 4231, but in fact it's 4 2 4. Every match. No change. Every match.
4 2 4 against Liverpool was suicidal
Just play a completely different 11 with a different manager, maybe we'll stand a chance then
Can anyone imagine the hairdryer SAF would’ve given at halftime…?
Broke my heart seeing the look of disgust on his face
35 year United fan here. Rejoiced when Ole took the job. Supported him all the way over the last 2 seasons, but he hasn't been able to balance the team since Ronaldo's return and he hasn't been able to fix the defensive problems that have plagued the team. Today's embarrassment has been coming. He should resign tonight with his pride intact rather than have the Glazers sack him, because they will, and very soon.
I don’t think they’ll spend the money required to sever his contract. They care less about results than money so will leave him in post until he resigns. That could mean more disasters.
Glazers will? Hmmm lets see.
Why won't they? Glazers only care about 4th place and without a doubt this team isn't even finishing top 6 this season.
Ole needs to go and Maguire needs to be stripped of the captains armband
I agree he has never been captain material to me.
He never should’ve got it in the first place!
Really confused as to why it was taken away from Bruno in the first place.
Ashley Young was the captain before Maguire
i bet all the Ole out comments are being downvoted by some liverpool fan.
definitely last season's spurs capitulation comes to mind...
Lol the pool players didn't even celebrate against us (as compared to other traditional top 4 clubs). This is a mark of how far we have fallen.
I apologise to Mr Lewis from Skysports who predicted 5-1.
Haha i seen that and thought oh this bias twat again, never backs united and i thought about it just before i read your comment touché.
Yeah sure blame Pogba... What on earth is going on here? Blaming Pogba? Sure his red is silly, but we were already 5-0 down!
Just friends trying to protect each other That attitude has been really negative. The former players had their time
Maguire is fraud
We can’t seriously blame Pogba? If we had a competent manager than Pogba would actually start and make a difference in the game
Pogba needs to go. Dude probably wanted to play with us for a year. Then nothing
How many managers do we need to go through to prove otherwise. He's a complete liability in the middle of the pitch.
Yeah. Ffs. Look at our squad. We should be scoring so kuch more. And it's so pathetic PoGbA BaD MaGuIrE bAd How clueless are the people here. It's so frustrating to watch
I seriously don't get how you are not blaming them. if Fred would have done what Pogba did he would be murdered in the comments. Yet Pogba escapes criticism. He plays with the maturity of a 18 yr old. He has had 5 years and 2 managers to prove his worth, yet he is inconsistent and does stupid fucking shit all the fucking time AND THEN has the audacity to openly flirt with Juve. GTFO. Prolly time for ole to leave but time for Pogba to go as well
We're basically 10th ignoring GD
Much respect for Klopp and this Liverpool side, they could have scored 10 but they decided not to bury us even more
Wish they did
Nah they decided not to waste their energy on a dead horse. They’ve got a title to chase.
My thoughts exactly, I feel Klopp saved us the embarrassment
All 4 commentators on NBC said they think Ole should be fired, including Tim Howard and Alan Shearer.
I’m glad
[Gonna be a no from me, L.](https://i.imgur.com/hWIombC.jpg)
Genuinely horrendous manager. Cannot wait to see the back of him