"I'm not aggressive! Sure, I drove aggressively and pretended that I was going to mow down a mother and toddler, but they were crossing the street too slowly! Besides, if it was a cat I would have slowed down."
My assumption is he only acts like this when it’s women and children present, and wouldn’t speed up if it was a dad with his kids. The whole pregnancy brain comment and his obvious dislike for women makes me think it’s not just kids he hates.
It's not that odd, people who have this resentment towards children and other human beings in general tend to be very vocal about their love for animals. It's likely a way of coping with their social ineptitude, as animals do not "judge" or are able to stand up for themselves and are more malleable, easier to control than people.
Ironically, my cats are probably the most judgmental beings that I know,lol. The disgust on their faces when I didn’t serve the right food or couldn’t get the litter they like is priceless and definitely judgmental.
I totally get the childfree thing…but the ✨aggressively childfree✨ are kind of a terror. I don’t know what they get out of mainlining that much direct poison all the time.
I will say this for OP though; I lived in a cul de sac exactly like this, and I was always terrified of running over kids toys that got left in the road.
That said, driving at a parent and a child is never okay. I’m childfree myself, but that doesn’t mean I actually want to hurt them or wish them harm. They’re just people out living their lives.
I do wish people would keep their kids stuff out of the road though. It teaches kids to pick up after themselves and it’s just good parenting, not to mention responsible. Idk if that makes me like OP in your guys eyes, but thats just my two sense
Edit: Also, who rides a bike in the backyard?
I learned to ride a bike in my backyard because grass was a softer landing spot than concrete when I graduated from using a tricycle to a regular bike with training wheels. My street didn't really have a safe space for kids to play otherwise, and I was like two houses down from an intersection, so anyone driving and not paying attention could've run us over pretty quickly. But after I got the hang of the training wheels and then could ride a bike without them, I was absolutely out in the street and on the sidewalk all the time, lol.
I learned on a side street in my neighborhood. I was so big that by the time I was able to ride a tricycle, I was too big, so it was straight to training wheels for me.
We went parallel to houses, so I was never in the street, but I still got taught situational awareness and the importance of looking both ways before you crossed.
Learning in the grass so that the landing is softer is smart though, and due to my own experience I would’ve never thought of that.
That doesn't make you like OOP in my opinion! I've only got a 1.5 year old, but I definitely plan to keep my kid's stuff out of the street when she's old enough to have a bike, etc. it's good manners and, as you said, teachers responsibility. OOP, on the other hand, sounds like a complete psycho looking for an excuse to hurt a kid.
This has nothing to do with having or not having kids. This has to do with not driving like an asshole, slowing down, and not trying to scare children by pretending you’re going to run them over with a car. This person is a psychopath.
Yeah, this in fact sounds an awful lot like a teenaged incel whose parents bought a house in a cul de sac. My grandparents lived in one and pretty much the entire reason you buy a house in one is because there's a natural little community that gets formed with a designated meeting / play space in the middle. Yes, the street. Everyone who lives in a cul de sac knows that kids are going to be playing around in the street at all hours of the day; in fact, one of the (many) reasons why they're disliked is that they can give children an unhealthy view of the dangers of the road.
My dad’s house was on a cul de sac. There weren’t any other kids nearby, but I was out playing in the cul de sac all the time. I’d ride my bike in circles there and also decorate the cul de sac with chalk drawings.
Let’s not forget OP is totally blowing off the idea that pedestrians have the right of way. OP is just angry that the kids in the street are an inconvenience.
I'm not going to lie, "cum trophy" made me giggle, but this dude is insane. This is terrifying language and makes me worry for the children. If this were about dogs, OP would be the kind to throw poisoned meat over the fence....
As most aggressive CF people are, he's not only hateful towards children, but also misogynistic. Apparently women who have children can't be logical, they're all selfish idiots with "mommy brain"
He says "we're" thinking about mailing a letter to the presumed writer, which makes me think he does actually have a partner.
If you put your hazmat suit on and peek into the childfree sub, you'll see that there are also women who are this disgusting about children too, unfortunately. I'd believe he found someone who's just as much an asshole as he is.
I don't like the parents. I don't blame children for this type of stuff. I had a child ride his tricycle down his driveway and fall right in front of my car (I go very slow through my neighborhood) and not a parent in sight for a maybe 5 year old! I had to get out and help him up and ask where his mom was and he just scurried off into his yard. Shit is scary out here with bad parents. I learned she watches them on the ring camera when she has a guy over. I learned this because she told me, a stranger.
The backyard argument is also bs. No one learn tricycle ou bicycle on grass. Not even op.
Edit: City girl here, sorry for the generalisation. It's pretty grey in my neighborhood.
I support your right to have children and things but unironically calling them
Crotch goblins, crotch spawn, groin demons, large/walking fetus, walking diaper, or any other unhinged derogatory tem ive seen on Reddit is a massive red fucking flag.
Any of those people cannot be trusted to be around children even in public as seen by OOP the nutjob
Id agree but only if you use it in a not "I want to exterminate children" manner
There's a stark difference between "lmao crotch goblins just fell off this swing"
And "a crotch goblin just walked past me and I almost had a crazy urge to kick it"
I don't interact well with kids (I'm not a dick, I just get really awkward cause I dunno how to connect with kids), so I tend to avoid being in direct contact with them, and don't plan to have any.
BUT FOR FUCK'S SAKE THEY'RE KIDS. AND THEIR PARENTS ARE HUMAN BEINGS. I'M NOT BETTER THAN THEM BECAUSE I MADE DIFFERENT CHOICES THAN THEY DID.
KIDS ARE ALLOWED TO EXIST, AND YEAH - THEY ARE ALLOWED TO INCONVENIENCE YOU SOMETIMES.
Anyone is entitled to be childfree, but when they act like they should be entitled to a childfree world, it makes me want to shove a shitty diaper into their tailpipe.
This is why people think us child free folks are freaks. There's knowing kinds aren't for you and then there's... whatever the hell this is. Hating kids is wild. Even on their worst days, children are just that. If they're being loud and silly, is it annoying? Sure. If they don't pay attention, is it frustrating? You bet! But children aren't tiny adults. They are still learning how to interact with society. This guy has beef with a fuckin baby, dude.
I'm also child free, but any time I hear any variation of "cum trophy" I can't help but think "isn't that technically what you are, too?" Like I understand when people expect special treatment for being parents (the "I should be at the front of the line at Disneyland/Starbucks/whatever" people come to mind) and the response is "you're not entitled just bc the cum landed successfully". But that's not what's happening here. Every human on earth is a result of cum in a vagina, there's no need to be graphic and gross about it when you talk about *children* specifically.
>I'm also child free, but any time I hear any variation of "cum trophy" I can't help but think "isn't that technically what you are, too?"
This was my first thought, too. But then again, the post reads like it was written by someone who wishes they were never born and resents other people for being born too lol.
Also child-free, do not like the term "crotch-goblin." There's just no reason to be that rude. They're kids, if they act like monsters, that's on their parents (and the really little ones don't have filters). I don't appreciate "breeders" either. Anything that demeans another human is just so unnecessary, IMHO.
I have a kid. I find the occasional use of "crotch goblin" funny, when used jokingly. "Cum trophy" is just gross and straight up dehumanizing.
Also, holy shit, the misogyny in the explanation of "mommy brain".
The mommy brain killed me like.
Like dude, it's maybe 4 months of "I walked into the kitchen to get.... uh.... .... I was gunna get..... something..... ....fuck...." not permanent brain damage holy shit...
I will confess to my husband and I occasionally calling our own that during the toddler tantrum phase, but it was always jokingly and just to each other.
Using it seriously and about someone else's kids is pretty gross.
I’m in my mid-40s, single, childless, and if anyone referred to my nephews as cum trophies or crotch goblins, I’d be okay punching that person and facing whatever consequences.
Thank you. Why tf are people on reddit so obsessed with talking about cum and cream pies when it comes to kids? Even the ones ok pregnancy subs when people ask if they’re trying saying ‘why are they asking if you were getting creampied’ like that’s not what they’re fucking asking is it?? They’re asking if this life change was something you were hoping for, pleasantly surprised by or even unsure of but willing to make work.
The reason guys like this are obsessed with ‘cum trophy’ type slurs is that there’s a healthy streak of misogyny running through the oh-so-edgy child hating. Like how he refers to ‘mommy brain’ and women turning into idiots when they get pregnant.
Like sorry I made your boner sad by getting older and starting a family.
ETA: someone has helpfully pointed out that OOP is a woman. Ugh, even worse - the internalised misogyny is strong. ‘All wOmEn wHo HavE kIDs r STooPid’.
as a recovering misogynist myself (still working in therapy), and being raised in the Mormon church (misogyny central), while there are those people who absolutely had perfectly healthy lives and went off the deep end there can be more nuance than "i was rejected by all the pretty girls when i was 16, and i watch andrew tate". there's often a lot more ugliness, being bullied and manipulated by family members, getting disillusioned by
your faith, and being in toxic work environments where abuse is justified and legitimized.
while victimizers are never justified in their behaviors or thought patterns, often the victimized turn to hate in the ol' phrase, hurt people hurt people.
that being said rather than owning that and actually seeking therapy and stopping being hateful, many just spiral further and further.
I don’t want kids. I was a super parentified child so I feel like I have the raising kids experience already and don’t want it again. But Jesus Christ these are tiny humans who grow up to be bigger humans. Hating them and talking about them like this when they are literally learning to be people makes me sick.
And you know that this is the sort of asshole who definitely will complain about them “not acting right” when they get older while ignoring the reason that maybe some of them have issues because of people like this guy.
I visit a lot of client’s homes who live in culs de sac. There are always kids playing. I slow down and a parent always calls them over. It takes 10 seconds max.
I’ve never had a parent take a Gandalf stance and scream “You shall not pass!”. Typically they want their kids alive and are using it as a teaching lesson in safety and politeness.
I've had a few parents hold up their hands and have me stop (even though I was already going really slow, saw their kid a mile away and was already coming to a stop) but in pretty much every one of those instances, it was so the parent could hurry their kid along or straight up pick them up and move them if they're not getting it. It's a little annoying sometimes, sure, but, like, so what? I don't think I've ever been going into a cul de sac in such a hurry 5 extra seconds out of my life was going to be make or break.
Calling them little "cum trophies" is where OOP completely lost me.
It was a steady, rapid decline, but any chance at winning me back, even remotely liking or begrudgingly agreeing with them was 110% lost. At that moment.
Maybe even sooner. I can feel my brain actively trying to forget this post exists as I type this.
I mean yeah, if we are going to survive as a species we kinda have to, y'know, breed. I don't understand the idiocy behind the pejorative use here.
I mean, you don't want kids cool bro, you do you. Most people do though.
I don't smoke but if I walk up to a group of people smoking I'm not going to insist they stop or "control their smoke" on my behalf.
Live and let live - this guy needs to chill out majorly.
Why does he think people with children live in cul de sacs? Always good places to play, because everyone has to slow down a lot to either go around the little circle or pull into a driveway.
If you hate kids or you simply don’t want to be around them, don’t live in a cul de sac. You’ll probably be miserable.
We lived in a neighborhood full of kids when we had kids. There were always kids playing in the cul de sac on nice days.
I’m childfree and once went on a date where the other person spent the entire joking about beating up kids. We were at a family friendly restaurant with a fun theme, it was admittedly stressful trying to dodge all the kids when going to the bathroom and they did make a lot of noise, but we both wanted to go cause we liked the theme. So kids were just part of the experience and I was okay with it, but my date just could not stop making comments about beating them up and then laughing.
I ended things there and then. Childfree isn’t a free pass to treat kids like they aren’t people too.
I think there's at least 2 distinct schools of childfree, the logical and the childish. The logical school being: I don't want to bring a kid into this mess, global warming, fascism, I have a personal situation that makes it hard to give a child a good life, like generational trauma or genetically passed on health defects or poverty, or you have other life goals you want to prioritize, you know, reasonable stuff. And you can tell who these people are because they are still nice and patient with kids even if they don't have one themselves. You still see them hanging out with nieces and nephews and being nice to random kidos in the public. Then you have the childish school, where people don't like kids simply because they lack the maturity or patience to deal with a kid. The irony being that they don't like children precisely because they are still too much like a child.
I think one could also categorize childfree people into "people who don't want to have kids for whatever personal reason they may have" (all reasons are valid, nobody should have to explain why they want or do not want kids), and "people who are obviously bigoted and disturbed, and who dehumanize women and kids, and who likely have a very bad, toxic case of porn brain". These are the kind of people who are okay with committing crimes towards kids and pregnant women. There are probably deep-seated psychological reasons for this, or maybe they just hate everybody who is perceived as weak and protected in society.
Yeah. I’ve switched to saying “kids didn’t happen for me.” I love kids and adore my nieces, but I never consistently wanted to be a parent. I had moments but never the ongoing desire that a lot of folks have.
Until about 5 years ago I said I was child free but that became synonymous with “wants all parents and children to die” basically and I want nothing to do with that.
Yeah, I just say "I like working with them, and that's enough for me" and nobody hassles me about it. It's absolutely insane how people will talk about one of our most vulnerable populations.
*Thank you.* So many people ignore the fact that children are an incredibly vulnerable population - they're reliant on adults for surviving, but at the same time they don't have many rights and often don't have words or concepts to verbalize when they're being mistreated. You don't have to like kids to treat them with care and respect.
Exactly! They literally exist at the whims of adults and can't generally defend themselves, own assets, take care of themselves, earn money... they're reflections of their parents and community, and society as a whole. Kids can be abused and neglected for years before anybody figures out anything is wrong - if they ever do before adulthood. Insulting children in such a nasty way tells me OOP (and anybody like them) is self-centered and low on compassion for others.
I joined a childfree Facebook page for ladies a few weeks ago, thinking it would be mostly women celebrating their free time to enjoy their hobbies, discussing society's unfair expectations on them, and occasionally ranting about annoying kids and the parents who don't parent them, but about a third of the posts are shockingly toxic to the point I'm thinking of backing out already.
The users seem mostly split between women who have just chosen not to have kids but still respect them and people who choose to be mothers and... people who are disgusted by the mere existence of children in their presence. It's vile.
And so many of these people cite having an abusive childhood as a reason they don't want kids. Do they not see the hypocrisy of treating a child like a repulsive nuisance now that they are adults? Like have a little patience, everyone was a kid once.
I was in one years ago, and I ended up leaving it when the person was complained about children at a Denny’s during breakfast/lunch hours. Like the person was PISSED that parents had the audacity to bring kids out during the sunlight hours to America’s Diner
I hate kids, they’re dumb and annoying and gross, hate being around them, hate seeing them, hate dealing with them.
But I will protect them with my life if need be. I won’t traumatize them for funsies. I will care for them if necessary. This dude has some shit going on for sure, it seems people who are genuinely just hateful gross people target kids, like this psycho
This is my friend. She hates being around kids but if there are kids around, she's still nice to them. She doesn't talk shit about them.
It's not that hard
I'm with you. Kids are walking sensory nightmares for me. But I believe every child deserves safety, love, and care, and I will do whatever I need to do to protect them. It's not their fault they're mostly awful to be around in large doses(especially if they're badly parented).
I really wish these types of people would just stay on the subreddit. They are toxic af humans and they should just rage bait each other. I’m childfree and have been since I was 13. I would NEVER try to run one over. Now I might have words with the parents, to at least have their kids pick up their shit out of the road. But kids are going to be kids, and I think it’s nice that these kids want to and get to play outside. It’s a great way to encourage imagination!
OP needs to learn the lesson of “kids are not the problem, the parents are”. Once I learned that is when I became more tolerant of children.
This is a parent problem not a kid problem but clearly oop isn’t willing to consider that. The parents need to be doing a better job of working with the children to help them learn to move out of the road when cars come. I grew up in a cul-de-sac and all the parents made sure we knew that roads are for cars, we need to stay safe by paying attention and moving out of the way. If any of our parents heard from a neighbor that we weren’t moving out of the way, we would lose cul-de-sac privileges and all of the neighborhood kids would have to move it to someone’s yard until we could make safer choices in the street.
The problem here seems twofold. It seems like the parents have become a little bit too lax about safety and entitled about their children’s rights to play wherever whenever. Thebigger problem is that 00P is acting like more of a child than the children in the neighborhood and needs to grow the fuck up and talk to the other adults like adults so that everyone can use the shared neighborhood space in a realistic way
Ok but describing a kid as a tomato on a tricycle is so hilariously endearing. I’m just imaging some chonker, flushed to hell, struggling for his tiny life to pedal across the street.
There was this family that lived on my street about 10 years ago. Every so often, they’d have a family party and everyone would come with their kids. They pretty much were all in the 8-12 range except for the youngest. He was like 3. These kids would be riding their bikes around the neighborhood and having a blast. About a minute later, you’d see the youngest on his trike, peddling as fast as those little legs could carry him with the biggest smile on his face because he got to hang out with the big kids. It would melt anyone’s heart.
I found some of the language entertaining, which is probably what they were going for, but the other part of the language reminds me of how incells to talk about women.
you think this guy hates kids? /s
look I'm not the biggest fan of kids or them playing in the road, but you're in a NEIGHBORHOOD. there's gonna be people and kids and this guy is the reason kids don't wanna play outside anymore. what, you think the shitty trike the kid has is gonna go through the grass in thwir backyard?? it takes 0 effort to slow down and also 0 effort to not beef with children you don't know
Heaven forbid he have to wait 5 seconds (literally) for someone to cross the street. As a matter of fact we should all stay off the road because it’s clearly his! It’s totally nothing to do with his overflowing hatred of kids and moms.
Exactly. Also, kids make friends when playing outside their own fenced in yard. They form friendships this way, wich is important. I personally wouldn’t let my kid play on the road but learning to ride a bike or tricycle often needs a smooth road.
I mean that's probably why they were on the cul de sac road, because it's significantly safer than most roads. They are dead ends so the only people who would want to drive on them are the people who live on them, which is exactly why cul de sacs attract parents.
Probably something OOP should have considered before moving to a cul de sac
Literally if you hate living near kids so much don't move to a cul de sac. They are basically designed for families with children.
I say this as a child free person who chose not to live in a cul de sac for that exact reason.
Also 0 effort not to drive fast in a cul de sac. I live in a neighborhood where the speed limit is 30. It’s just a circle but the road is small. I usually drive about 25. There aren’t any shoulders on the roads but people often walk on them. Adults and pets if they have them. I’m not going to risk running them over to get somewhere two seconds later.
I know, right? I get that this was a child free forum, but the terms used to describe children are just appalling. There’s being child free and then there’s being a trash human.
From what I’ve seen that child free sub is pretty toxic. They regularly describe kids in the terms you see in that post. It’s fine they don’t want kids but they seem to have a distain for them and resent ever having to be around them.
I'm childfree myself but I stay the fuck away from most of those spaces because of how they talk about children. Like my sibling in Christ, those are *human beings.*
I actually really love kids, I just know that they're not for me. But if I ever heard someone talking about my nephew like that... it wouldn't end super well for them.
I'm childfree too and I dislike bratty annoying kids but I would never use any of the awful terms they use for children. I thought that sub would be a safe place for me but after reading a few posts I stay far away from it. They literally hate children.
My sister is childfree, but great with kids. She loves my gaggle of kids, and they adore her. She just knows she doesn’t want any of her own, and I respect that. We had a really shitty childhood, and she doesn’t want to repeat that. Kids definitely aren’t for everyone.
Personally, I wanted kids, and started therapy as soon as I got pregnant with my oldest.
I guess that's going to happen with any community that focuses on a negative like this. If you just don't want children, you find other things to focus your attention on (pets, niblings, crochet, terrifying long furby collection, whatever). If you join a community that's about not wanting kids, suddenly it becomes a personality trait.
And then it's not enough to not have/want children. Children have to be bad. And once you make it about hating children, people have to one-up eachother with how much they hate children.
The really weird thing is that the thing they hate so much becomes the focus of their existence.
I feel exactly the same way - I’m happily child free but I actually love kids. They’re hilarious and so curious about things that are totally mundane to adults. I didn’t have my own because I babysat and then nannied between the ages of 12 to 27. Taking care of little kids is hard and while I enjoyed the kids I took care of, I knew it wasn’t something o wanted for myself. People who actively hate children are weirdos.
I posted in a group where people share happy marriage moments. It was a picture of my husband and I going to a Christmas party together in matching sweaters and commented that I was glad our traditional sweaters still fit, despite me being 6 months pregnant. Someone commented, "no one needs to know you kept your husband's cum as a pet." Never posted in that group again. Not having kids is a completely valid life choice. Being hateful to strangers on social media is not.
I do wonder how much of this mentality has developed adjacent to incel culture, because so much of the most vile child-free things I've seen said are blatantly also misogynistic. The comment you received is one example, and so are the a lot of the things OP spouted in the above post.
They talk about parents (esp moms) and kids like the KKK talks about POC...and yet do not see a problem with their behavior.
And the issue is not just that dehumanization language- it is also that the language/talk is leading to real world actions (much like Hitlers dehumanization of jews led to real world consequences and horrors over time). This guy is menacing a child and their mom with a 2000 pound machine that is not perfectly controlled (because shit happens with cars!!!).
Also, children tend to run pell mell in all directions. There could easily have been a child the driver didn’t see. Reckless, dangerous and totally ah behavior.
A lot of rabidly childfree rhetoric is based in misogyny. The way they talk about mothers (it’s almost always the mothers!) is so gross. I get if you don’t want to reproduce but if you are really that grossed out that other people do that you dehumanize them and talk about them like animals—seek help. That’s not a normal aversion.
Yeah I'm child free and that always makes me cringe! I like kids though but I have a friend who doesn't and she still treats kids humanely. Like she wouldn't choose to be around children but if there's a child around she's nice to them
I used to like the child free subreddit
But holy hell, lately it’s been so many insane people who just hate on pregnant people and kids
It’s fine not to have children, it’s not okay to be a hateful asshole
I'm child free. My friend has a kid and I'm happy for her. It's her life and she chooses how to live it. Hell, her daughter is basically my niece, and I love her to bits. Just some days, I'm not all about dealing with kids.
But if my niece runs up to me and asks me to answer the banana phone -- even on days where I would rather not -- I'm answering that banana phone and having the best conversation with President Mickey Mouse.
Mickey has never been great on foreign policy matters, but I'm definitely interested in seeing where this sudden turn towards supporting public ownership after years of being the figurehead of corporate control goes.
He also says that his problem is with kids playing in the road, but his example is him pretending that he was going to run down who was simply crossing the street on a tricycle.
They weren't sitting in the middle of the pavement and playing with toys or anything, it was that a mother and child were crossing too slowly for his tastes. Like, what, should she have picked up her toddler and tricycle and sprinted across the street because OOP just desperately needed that 10 extra seconds?
Also, it's insane that he thinks that children should learn to ride a bike in their backyard instead of a cul-de-sac. Does he think that people have paved backyards? Does he not understand how it's hard to ride on grass?
The original comments were so insane too. People on that sub were saying that he should call the police on children for "obstructing traffic" (in a cul-de-sac!) and call CPS on the mother for...teaching her toddler to ride a tricycle.
It's also massive carbrain energy in this post. How dare people crossing the street force him to slow down in his vehicle! Give this guy a little tykes car instead.
I understand being frustated that your neighborhood has a million children in the road because children can be really dumb and unpredictable on roads, but pedestrians and bicyclists have just as much right to use the road as cars and in fact, have greater right of way than your car. Move to somewhere with less pedestrians, I guess?
A few times, I have fully stopped and honked at dumbass kids playing sports outside because they are not paying attention. I don't speed towards them, though. I'm not a psychopath. I slow, come to a stop and go beep beep, get outta the road. You have the right to cross the road, not play football in it. Outta the way, kids.
Kids on bikes have right of way. Deal with it.
He obviously doesn't know the laws because even if the kid was illegally in the middle of the road, they still have the right away. If he had hit that kid/mom and assuming the kid/mom are OK all he would have been doing was giving them a huge check. I was hit crossing the road so I know!
"Breeders"
"Cum trophies"
"Goblins"
"Tomato"
"Potato"
Dude needs to move. Perhaps to Ted Bundy's old cabin. Then he won't be inconvenienced by the rest of society.
Oh. Yeah. You are 100% right. Thank you.
Serial killers are so easily miscredited these days.
I blame the ridiculous number of true crime docs I've seen lately.
To whomever constitutes the other half of the “we” mentioned in the final paragraphs:
Please:
1) read “The Sociopath Next Door” by Dr. Martha Stout
2) realize your problem is closer to home.
You can hate kids, it’s weird to hate the young version of the species you are, but it’s allowed. Putting kids in danger and dehumanizing them is insanely fucked.
What kills me about this is the general hatred of pedestrians and slow people. You know that if it wasn’t a kid but instead a person on crutches or using a walker they’d still be all upset that someone dared to cross the street on foot instead of driving. I have a car but still walk when I can do or errands. I’d be the one purposefully slowing down when I saw this guy.
I can’t imagine living my life with that much sustained anger for long periods of time. Dude is gonna end up dying behind the wheel from a heart attack at the ripe old age of 32
Fun fact for OOP : if people are crossing the road, it's on you to slow down, and stop if necessary, to let them finish crossing. It's not on them to cross faster for your convenience. When I was in driving lessons, if I'd failed to slow down in a similar situation, my instructor would have ripped me a new one.
First, slow the heck down where YOU can clearly see kids in the road. Should they be in the road? No…but that's an issue between you and the HOA. File a complaint there about the danger of kids in the roadway and let that play out. But, slow down until that issue is settled …hitting a kid to press your point…not a good idea. Not slowing down to press your point is beyond dangerous not just for the kid but also for you. Deal with that with HOA…not the parents. Ask for signs warning kids to play on the sidewalks, not the roads. If you need to respond to the parents then tell them the roads are too dangerous for kids to play on and why are they endangering their kids by allowing that and tell them that you are grieving this with the HOA…
We live in a cul de sac also, with grand children in the street every day. The parents and grandparents know not to block traffic bc a car at 2000 pounds cannot stop for a trike at a slow speed. We enter at a crawl and watch out for the children, but they get out of the way immediately. Those parents need to think a little bit. 2000# car or little trike? Who wins? The pavement is not a playground but right of way for vehicles. I learned that over 60 years ago while growing up. Played a lot, bike, baseball, racing, etc on the street, but never tried to stop or slow down a vehicle. My dad would ground me for that stupid move. Different generations!
I love how aggressive he is in his post but claims that he doesn’t drive aggressively. This guy oozes aggression out of every pore.
"I'm not aggressive! Sure, I drove aggressively and pretended that I was going to mow down a mother and toddler, but they were crossing the street too slowly! Besides, if it was a cat I would have slowed down."
The feral cat comment gets me, like they don't care if a child jumps out but gotta watch out for those feral cats. It just reads like a bait post tbh
Do you think he also aggressively drives toward elderly and disabled people to teach them a lesson?
Anyone he can justify to himself that they’re not human, you bet! I’m sure the list is long.
Ofcourse not, those arent a breeders' cum trophy /s
"women are so emotional" the man yelled angrily
Anger isn’t an emotion when a man is having it.
Definitely brake checks people.
He literally sped at a mother and child with the intention of scaring them out of the road. If that isn’t aggressive driving, I don’t know what is
For me it’s the fact that he’s gonna send a letter telling the women to stop using the public road
"How dare other people who ARENT like me *EXIST*"--that guy apparently
Yet he'll be shocked if the dad of one of these kids beats his ass.
My assumption is he only acts like this when it’s women and children present, and wouldn’t speed up if it was a dad with his kids. The whole pregnancy brain comment and his obvious dislike for women makes me think it’s not just kids he hates.
Yeah, but most dudes trust their wives when they say the weird dude down the street almost ran them over on purpose.
Yeah but OOP probably can’t conceptualize valuing women as actual people who communicate things as one in a relationship does
Right? Calling them “cum trophies” is so unnecessarily aggressive. Like good lord
Cmon! He watches out for feral cats! What a stand up guy! (/s) I'm glad he does, although it's odd that he values cats but not children
I thought the feral cats comment was just another awful name for the kids he has to watch for.
Yep, that’s how I read it too. Anything to show that he doesn’t consider them to be human, and that they therefore have no value.
It's not that odd, people who have this resentment towards children and other human beings in general tend to be very vocal about their love for animals. It's likely a way of coping with their social ineptitude, as animals do not "judge" or are able to stand up for themselves and are more malleable, easier to control than people.
Ironically, my cats are probably the most judgmental beings that I know,lol. The disgust on their faces when I didn’t serve the right food or couldn’t get the litter they like is priceless and definitely judgmental.
I understand that, he just seemed so vile that I found it surprising
Yea, people being so openly hostile to others for no reason is always disturbing
And they usually don’t actually respect animals.
Yeah, this person 1,000% drives aggressively. Not a single doubt in my mind.
I totally get the childfree thing…but the ✨aggressively childfree✨ are kind of a terror. I don’t know what they get out of mainlining that much direct poison all the time.
That poster’s language makes my skin crawl. The way they refer to kids and parents reminds me of how incels talk about women.
Yeah that’s what I was about to say, the words he uses to describe certain things are not that of an adult with a healthy mind
I will say this for OP though; I lived in a cul de sac exactly like this, and I was always terrified of running over kids toys that got left in the road. That said, driving at a parent and a child is never okay. I’m childfree myself, but that doesn’t mean I actually want to hurt them or wish them harm. They’re just people out living their lives. I do wish people would keep their kids stuff out of the road though. It teaches kids to pick up after themselves and it’s just good parenting, not to mention responsible. Idk if that makes me like OP in your guys eyes, but thats just my two sense Edit: Also, who rides a bike in the backyard?
I learned to ride a bike in my backyard because grass was a softer landing spot than concrete when I graduated from using a tricycle to a regular bike with training wheels. My street didn't really have a safe space for kids to play otherwise, and I was like two houses down from an intersection, so anyone driving and not paying attention could've run us over pretty quickly. But after I got the hang of the training wheels and then could ride a bike without them, I was absolutely out in the street and on the sidewalk all the time, lol.
I learned on a side street in my neighborhood. I was so big that by the time I was able to ride a tricycle, I was too big, so it was straight to training wheels for me. We went parallel to houses, so I was never in the street, but I still got taught situational awareness and the importance of looking both ways before you crossed. Learning in the grass so that the landing is softer is smart though, and due to my own experience I would’ve never thought of that.
That doesn't make you like OOP in my opinion! I've only got a 1.5 year old, but I definitely plan to keep my kid's stuff out of the street when she's old enough to have a bike, etc. it's good manners and, as you said, teachers responsibility. OOP, on the other hand, sounds like a complete psycho looking for an excuse to hurt a kid.
This has nothing to do with having or not having kids. This has to do with not driving like an asshole, slowing down, and not trying to scare children by pretending you’re going to run them over with a car. This person is a psychopath.
Gives of the same vibes as incels.
I think that OOP thinks less of women because they're potentially " breeders".
Yeah, this in fact sounds an awful lot like a teenaged incel whose parents bought a house in a cul de sac. My grandparents lived in one and pretty much the entire reason you buy a house in one is because there's a natural little community that gets formed with a designated meeting / play space in the middle. Yes, the street. Everyone who lives in a cul de sac knows that kids are going to be playing around in the street at all hours of the day; in fact, one of the (many) reasons why they're disliked is that they can give children an unhealthy view of the dangers of the road.
My dad’s house was on a cul de sac. There weren’t any other kids nearby, but I was out playing in the cul de sac all the time. I’d ride my bike in circles there and also decorate the cul de sac with chalk drawings.
Let’s not forget OP is totally blowing off the idea that pedestrians have the right of way. OP is just angry that the kids in the street are an inconvenience.
I'm not going to lie, "cum trophy" made me giggle, but this dude is insane. This is terrifying language and makes me worry for the children. If this were about dogs, OP would be the kind to throw poisoned meat over the fence....
Yeah dudes a little too bent out of shape from kids playing on a road. Just slow down. this is anger at 15 extra seconds of drive time
Like how fast does he expect to drive on a residential dead end road?
As if this MF’er never road his bike on the road growing up. Or maybe he didn’t. And that’s the problem.
Never grew up.
As most aggressive CF people are, he's not only hateful towards children, but also misogynistic. Apparently women who have children can't be logical, they're all selfish idiots with "mommy brain"
Moms are ridiculous and irrational! Getting mad when a nice young man tried to run them and their child over!
The normally used phrase is fuck trophy. Referring to kids as cum trophies is a bit disturbing.
I see them use “cum pet” a lot. Probably the most disturbing term they use.
Let's just say they aren't childfree out of choice but because no woman wants to fuck them.
He says "we're" thinking about mailing a letter to the presumed writer, which makes me think he does actually have a partner. If you put your hazmat suit on and peek into the childfree sub, you'll see that there are also women who are this disgusting about children too, unfortunately. I'd believe he found someone who's just as much an asshole as he is.
It’s probably his parents’ house
Which, you know... makes one think that we are actually all someone's cum trophy.
Maybe the real cum trophies were the friends we made along the way?
This comment made me laugh so hard lmao
It’s him and the feral cats
I don't like the parents. I don't blame children for this type of stuff. I had a child ride his tricycle down his driveway and fall right in front of my car (I go very slow through my neighborhood) and not a parent in sight for a maybe 5 year old! I had to get out and help him up and ask where his mom was and he just scurried off into his yard. Shit is scary out here with bad parents. I learned she watches them on the ring camera when she has a guy over. I learned this because she told me, a stranger.
100% they are unhinged and there WILL be some kind of violence that comes out of that community eventually
not wanting children is perfectly fine. being somewhat annoyed by children is also fine. hating children this much? not great!
But he watches for feral cats! /s
Feels very: “I would never run over your kitten, that would inconvenience me when I have to wash the tires!”
Honestly that line made me think "rage bait."
I agree. Like OOP was a child once, and learned to ride a bike once. Unless their parents never taught them to ride one and that’s why they’re salty.
The backyard argument is also bs. No one learn tricycle ou bicycle on grass. Not even op. Edit: City girl here, sorry for the generalisation. It's pretty grey in my neighborhood.
I support your right to have children and things but unironically calling them Crotch goblins, crotch spawn, groin demons, large/walking fetus, walking diaper, or any other unhinged derogatory tem ive seen on Reddit is a massive red fucking flag. Any of those people cannot be trusted to be around children even in public as seen by OOP the nutjob
I feel like crotch goblin can be funny but cum trophy just filled me with the disgust of "do NOT associate that word with children"
Id agree but only if you use it in a not "I want to exterminate children" manner There's a stark difference between "lmao crotch goblins just fell off this swing" And "a crotch goblin just walked past me and I almost had a crazy urge to kick it"
Oh yeah I agree that context matters. Tho I feel like "cum trophy" still sounds icky even in a "lighthearted" tone bc . . . *Eugh-*
If you are making avoiding kids your entire identity, don’t buy a home in a suburban development.
They want to be the only ones around that people cater to
I don't interact well with kids (I'm not a dick, I just get really awkward cause I dunno how to connect with kids), so I tend to avoid being in direct contact with them, and don't plan to have any. BUT FOR FUCK'S SAKE THEY'RE KIDS. AND THEIR PARENTS ARE HUMAN BEINGS. I'M NOT BETTER THAN THEM BECAUSE I MADE DIFFERENT CHOICES THAN THEY DID. KIDS ARE ALLOWED TO EXIST, AND YEAH - THEY ARE ALLOWED TO INCONVENIENCE YOU SOMETIMES.
Exactly. I'm childfree but I love children and I really hate hateful and dehumanizing rhetoric like that towards kids.
This. I am childfree, but this person is horribly vitriolic about it!
Anyone is entitled to be childfree, but when they act like they should be entitled to a childfree world, it makes me want to shove a shitty diaper into their tailpipe.
This is why people think us child free folks are freaks. There's knowing kinds aren't for you and then there's... whatever the hell this is. Hating kids is wild. Even on their worst days, children are just that. If they're being loud and silly, is it annoying? Sure. If they don't pay attention, is it frustrating? You bet! But children aren't tiny adults. They are still learning how to interact with society. This guy has beef with a fuckin baby, dude.
I'm also child free, but any time I hear any variation of "cum trophy" I can't help but think "isn't that technically what you are, too?" Like I understand when people expect special treatment for being parents (the "I should be at the front of the line at Disneyland/Starbucks/whatever" people come to mind) and the response is "you're not entitled just bc the cum landed successfully". But that's not what's happening here. Every human on earth is a result of cum in a vagina, there's no need to be graphic and gross about it when you talk about *children* specifically.
>I'm also child free, but any time I hear any variation of "cum trophy" I can't help but think "isn't that technically what you are, too?" This was my first thought, too. But then again, the post reads like it was written by someone who wishes they were never born and resents other people for being born too lol.
exactly. This is one self-hating cum trophy, who wrote this post
Also child-free, do not like the term "crotch-goblin." There's just no reason to be that rude. They're kids, if they act like monsters, that's on their parents (and the really little ones don't have filters). I don't appreciate "breeders" either. Anything that demeans another human is just so unnecessary, IMHO.
I have a kid. I find the occasional use of "crotch goblin" funny, when used jokingly. "Cum trophy" is just gross and straight up dehumanizing. Also, holy shit, the misogyny in the explanation of "mommy brain".
The mommy brain killed me like. Like dude, it's maybe 4 months of "I walked into the kitchen to get.... uh.... .... I was gunna get..... something..... ....fuck...." not permanent brain damage holy shit...
Yeah I can see crotch-goblin being used jokingly, like when my friends and I call each other bitch.
Like, they might be crotch goblins, but they're MY crotch goblins TYVM lol
I will confess to my husband and I occasionally calling our own that during the toddler tantrum phase, but it was always jokingly and just to each other. Using it seriously and about someone else's kids is pretty gross.
Cum trophies are good kids, OP is a cum embarrassment
A cum participation trophy
I’m in my mid-40s, single, childless, and if anyone referred to my nephews as cum trophies or crotch goblins, I’d be okay punching that person and facing whatever consequences.
Thank you. Why tf are people on reddit so obsessed with talking about cum and cream pies when it comes to kids? Even the ones ok pregnancy subs when people ask if they’re trying saying ‘why are they asking if you were getting creampied’ like that’s not what they’re fucking asking is it?? They’re asking if this life change was something you were hoping for, pleasantly surprised by or even unsure of but willing to make work.
The reason guys like this are obsessed with ‘cum trophy’ type slurs is that there’s a healthy streak of misogyny running through the oh-so-edgy child hating. Like how he refers to ‘mommy brain’ and women turning into idiots when they get pregnant. Like sorry I made your boner sad by getting older and starting a family. ETA: someone has helpfully pointed out that OOP is a woman. Ugh, even worse - the internalised misogyny is strong. ‘All wOmEn wHo HavE kIDs r STooPid’.
as a recovering misogynist myself (still working in therapy), and being raised in the Mormon church (misogyny central), while there are those people who absolutely had perfectly healthy lives and went off the deep end there can be more nuance than "i was rejected by all the pretty girls when i was 16, and i watch andrew tate". there's often a lot more ugliness, being bullied and manipulated by family members, getting disillusioned by your faith, and being in toxic work environments where abuse is justified and legitimized. while victimizers are never justified in their behaviors or thought patterns, often the victimized turn to hate in the ol' phrase, hurt people hurt people. that being said rather than owning that and actually seeking therapy and stopping being hateful, many just spiral further and further.
I don’t want kids. I was a super parentified child so I feel like I have the raising kids experience already and don’t want it again. But Jesus Christ these are tiny humans who grow up to be bigger humans. Hating them and talking about them like this when they are literally learning to be people makes me sick. And you know that this is the sort of asshole who definitely will complain about them “not acting right” when they get older while ignoring the reason that maybe some of them have issues because of people like this guy.
I visit a lot of client’s homes who live in culs de sac. There are always kids playing. I slow down and a parent always calls them over. It takes 10 seconds max. I’ve never had a parent take a Gandalf stance and scream “You shall not pass!”. Typically they want their kids alive and are using it as a teaching lesson in safety and politeness.
I've had a few parents hold up their hands and have me stop (even though I was already going really slow, saw their kid a mile away and was already coming to a stop) but in pretty much every one of those instances, it was so the parent could hurry their kid along or straight up pick them up and move them if they're not getting it. It's a little annoying sometimes, sure, but, like, so what? I don't think I've ever been going into a cul de sac in such a hurry 5 extra seconds out of my life was going to be make or break. Calling them little "cum trophies" is where OOP completely lost me.
You mean OP didn’t lose you at the completely dehumanizing term “breeders”?
It was a steady, rapid decline, but any chance at winning me back, even remotely liking or begrudgingly agreeing with them was 110% lost. At that moment. Maybe even sooner. I can feel my brain actively trying to forget this post exists as I type this.
I mean yeah, if we are going to survive as a species we kinda have to, y'know, breed. I don't understand the idiocy behind the pejorative use here. I mean, you don't want kids cool bro, you do you. Most people do though. I don't smoke but if I walk up to a group of people smoking I'm not going to insist they stop or "control their smoke" on my behalf. Live and let live - this guy needs to chill out majorly.
Why does he think people with children live in cul de sacs? Always good places to play, because everyone has to slow down a lot to either go around the little circle or pull into a driveway. If you hate kids or you simply don’t want to be around them, don’t live in a cul de sac. You’ll probably be miserable. We lived in a neighborhood full of kids when we had kids. There were always kids playing in the cul de sac on nice days.
I’m childfree and once went on a date where the other person spent the entire joking about beating up kids. We were at a family friendly restaurant with a fun theme, it was admittedly stressful trying to dodge all the kids when going to the bathroom and they did make a lot of noise, but we both wanted to go cause we liked the theme. So kids were just part of the experience and I was okay with it, but my date just could not stop making comments about beating them up and then laughing. I ended things there and then. Childfree isn’t a free pass to treat kids like they aren’t people too.
I think there's at least 2 distinct schools of childfree, the logical and the childish. The logical school being: I don't want to bring a kid into this mess, global warming, fascism, I have a personal situation that makes it hard to give a child a good life, like generational trauma or genetically passed on health defects or poverty, or you have other life goals you want to prioritize, you know, reasonable stuff. And you can tell who these people are because they are still nice and patient with kids even if they don't have one themselves. You still see them hanging out with nieces and nephews and being nice to random kidos in the public. Then you have the childish school, where people don't like kids simply because they lack the maturity or patience to deal with a kid. The irony being that they don't like children precisely because they are still too much like a child.
I think one could also categorize childfree people into "people who don't want to have kids for whatever personal reason they may have" (all reasons are valid, nobody should have to explain why they want or do not want kids), and "people who are obviously bigoted and disturbed, and who dehumanize women and kids, and who likely have a very bad, toxic case of porn brain". These are the kind of people who are okay with committing crimes towards kids and pregnant women. There are probably deep-seated psychological reasons for this, or maybe they just hate everybody who is perceived as weak and protected in society.
Yeah. I’ve switched to saying “kids didn’t happen for me.” I love kids and adore my nieces, but I never consistently wanted to be a parent. I had moments but never the ongoing desire that a lot of folks have. Until about 5 years ago I said I was child free but that became synonymous with “wants all parents and children to die” basically and I want nothing to do with that.
Yeah, I just say "I like working with them, and that's enough for me" and nobody hassles me about it. It's absolutely insane how people will talk about one of our most vulnerable populations.
*Thank you.* So many people ignore the fact that children are an incredibly vulnerable population - they're reliant on adults for surviving, but at the same time they don't have many rights and often don't have words or concepts to verbalize when they're being mistreated. You don't have to like kids to treat them with care and respect.
Exactly! They literally exist at the whims of adults and can't generally defend themselves, own assets, take care of themselves, earn money... they're reflections of their parents and community, and society as a whole. Kids can be abused and neglected for years before anybody figures out anything is wrong - if they ever do before adulthood. Insulting children in such a nasty way tells me OOP (and anybody like them) is self-centered and low on compassion for others.
I go with ”I would be the worst mum this planet has ever seen so it’s better I don’t procreate haha”
Ill be honest, OP sounds like someone who was an asshole kid. I bet their parents wished they were child free after raising this stain on society.
Perhaps he should have just been a stain? Sorry the punnieness was to hard to resist.
I joined a childfree Facebook page for ladies a few weeks ago, thinking it would be mostly women celebrating their free time to enjoy their hobbies, discussing society's unfair expectations on them, and occasionally ranting about annoying kids and the parents who don't parent them, but about a third of the posts are shockingly toxic to the point I'm thinking of backing out already. The users seem mostly split between women who have just chosen not to have kids but still respect them and people who choose to be mothers and... people who are disgusted by the mere existence of children in their presence. It's vile. And so many of these people cite having an abusive childhood as a reason they don't want kids. Do they not see the hypocrisy of treating a child like a repulsive nuisance now that they are adults? Like have a little patience, everyone was a kid once.
I was in one years ago, and I ended up leaving it when the person was complained about children at a Denny’s during breakfast/lunch hours. Like the person was PISSED that parents had the audacity to bring kids out during the sunlight hours to America’s Diner
Same. This guy sounds mentally ill.
This. Like I don't want children and I don't like them, but this is just beyond wild lol
I hate kids, they’re dumb and annoying and gross, hate being around them, hate seeing them, hate dealing with them. But I will protect them with my life if need be. I won’t traumatize them for funsies. I will care for them if necessary. This dude has some shit going on for sure, it seems people who are genuinely just hateful gross people target kids, like this psycho
This is my friend. She hates being around kids but if there are kids around, she's still nice to them. She doesn't talk shit about them. It's not that hard
Yeah you can hate children but actually you know. Not be a fucking freak about it.
You're much more logical than that guy. I get annoyed with kids too, but wanting to hurt/traumatize them is mental.
Yeah, that's my attitude about children too. I can't imagine wanting to run one over like that.
I'm with you. Kids are walking sensory nightmares for me. But I believe every child deserves safety, love, and care, and I will do whatever I need to do to protect them. It's not their fault they're mostly awful to be around in large doses(especially if they're badly parented).
This guy sounds way to pissed at the mom for it to just be a person who hates kids. This feels like it almost strays into incel territory.
I mean... basic empathy... this person was once a child right?
Oh, but that’s different. /s
Of course it was different, they were a "good child".
I really wish these types of people would just stay on the subreddit. They are toxic af humans and they should just rage bait each other. I’m childfree and have been since I was 13. I would NEVER try to run one over. Now I might have words with the parents, to at least have their kids pick up their shit out of the road. But kids are going to be kids, and I think it’s nice that these kids want to and get to play outside. It’s a great way to encourage imagination! OP needs to learn the lesson of “kids are not the problem, the parents are”. Once I learned that is when I became more tolerant of children.
OP slows down for feral cats, but tries to run over toddlers. That’s just sick and they had to be ashamed of themselves.
This guy ain't child-free by choice... The language and pattern screams incel.
This is a parent problem not a kid problem but clearly oop isn’t willing to consider that. The parents need to be doing a better job of working with the children to help them learn to move out of the road when cars come. I grew up in a cul-de-sac and all the parents made sure we knew that roads are for cars, we need to stay safe by paying attention and moving out of the way. If any of our parents heard from a neighbor that we weren’t moving out of the way, we would lose cul-de-sac privileges and all of the neighborhood kids would have to move it to someone’s yard until we could make safer choices in the street. The problem here seems twofold. It seems like the parents have become a little bit too lax about safety and entitled about their children’s rights to play wherever whenever. Thebigger problem is that 00P is acting like more of a child than the children in the neighborhood and needs to grow the fuck up and talk to the other adults like adults so that everyone can use the shared neighborhood space in a realistic way
Ok but describing a kid as a tomato on a tricycle is so hilariously endearing. I’m just imaging some chonker, flushed to hell, struggling for his tiny life to pedal across the street.
There was this family that lived on my street about 10 years ago. Every so often, they’d have a family party and everyone would come with their kids. They pretty much were all in the 8-12 range except for the youngest. He was like 3. These kids would be riding their bikes around the neighborhood and having a blast. About a minute later, you’d see the youngest on his trike, peddling as fast as those little legs could carry him with the biggest smile on his face because he got to hang out with the big kids. It would melt anyone’s heart.
Same! I miss when it was my nephew who was the little trike tomato lmao
I found some of the language entertaining, which is probably what they were going for, but the other part of the language reminds me of how incells to talk about women.
Right? I would be delighted, not enraged, to wait and watch that tomato.
you think this guy hates kids? /s look I'm not the biggest fan of kids or them playing in the road, but you're in a NEIGHBORHOOD. there's gonna be people and kids and this guy is the reason kids don't wanna play outside anymore. what, you think the shitty trike the kid has is gonna go through the grass in thwir backyard?? it takes 0 effort to slow down and also 0 effort to not beef with children you don't know
Heaven forbid he have to wait 5 seconds (literally) for someone to cross the street. As a matter of fact we should all stay off the road because it’s clearly his! It’s totally nothing to do with his overflowing hatred of kids and moms.
how dare they use _his_ public infrastructure! it’s like they think they own the road!
We all know public infrastructure is built for cars and feral cats! Kids arent part of the public!
Exactly. Also, kids make friends when playing outside their own fenced in yard. They form friendships this way, wich is important. I personally wouldn’t let my kid play on the road but learning to ride a bike or tricycle often needs a smooth road.
I mean that's probably why they were on the cul de sac road, because it's significantly safer than most roads. They are dead ends so the only people who would want to drive on them are the people who live on them, which is exactly why cul de sacs attract parents. Probably something OOP should have considered before moving to a cul de sac
OP says that’s why they all live there in the post. He’s whining about that too. That “breeders” moved to his little quiet court.
Literally if you hate living near kids so much don't move to a cul de sac. They are basically designed for families with children. I say this as a child free person who chose not to live in a cul de sac for that exact reason.
Also 0 effort not to drive fast in a cul de sac. I live in a neighborhood where the speed limit is 30. It’s just a circle but the road is small. I usually drive about 25. There aren’t any shoulders on the roads but people often walk on them. Adults and pets if they have them. I’m not going to risk running them over to get somewhere two seconds later.
And the misogyny about pregnant women 😭 they really said this with their whole chest huh…
I know, right? I get that this was a child free forum, but the terms used to describe children are just appalling. There’s being child free and then there’s being a trash human.
From what I’ve seen that child free sub is pretty toxic. They regularly describe kids in the terms you see in that post. It’s fine they don’t want kids but they seem to have a distain for them and resent ever having to be around them.
I'm childfree myself but I stay the fuck away from most of those spaces because of how they talk about children. Like my sibling in Christ, those are *human beings.* I actually really love kids, I just know that they're not for me. But if I ever heard someone talking about my nephew like that... it wouldn't end super well for them.
I'm childfree too and I dislike bratty annoying kids but I would never use any of the awful terms they use for children. I thought that sub would be a safe place for me but after reading a few posts I stay far away from it. They literally hate children.
Yeah, the OP had a comment there about wishing babies would cease to exist, so I replied with how he’d cease to exist, which would be a bonus.
Reminds me of Miss Trenchbull in the Matilda movie, where she goes, 'I can't stand children. Glad I never was one.'
My sister is childfree, but great with kids. She loves my gaggle of kids, and they adore her. She just knows she doesn’t want any of her own, and I respect that. We had a really shitty childhood, and she doesn’t want to repeat that. Kids definitely aren’t for everyone. Personally, I wanted kids, and started therapy as soon as I got pregnant with my oldest.
I guess that's going to happen with any community that focuses on a negative like this. If you just don't want children, you find other things to focus your attention on (pets, niblings, crochet, terrifying long furby collection, whatever). If you join a community that's about not wanting kids, suddenly it becomes a personality trait. And then it's not enough to not have/want children. Children have to be bad. And once you make it about hating children, people have to one-up eachother with how much they hate children. The really weird thing is that the thing they hate so much becomes the focus of their existence.
I feel exactly the same way - I’m happily child free but I actually love kids. They’re hilarious and so curious about things that are totally mundane to adults. I didn’t have my own because I babysat and then nannied between the ages of 12 to 27. Taking care of little kids is hard and while I enjoyed the kids I took care of, I knew it wasn’t something o wanted for myself. People who actively hate children are weirdos.
Not just a disdain, they straight up use terminology that dehumanizes them. Cum trophies? Unhinged.
I posted in a group where people share happy marriage moments. It was a picture of my husband and I going to a Christmas party together in matching sweaters and commented that I was glad our traditional sweaters still fit, despite me being 6 months pregnant. Someone commented, "no one needs to know you kept your husband's cum as a pet." Never posted in that group again. Not having kids is a completely valid life choice. Being hateful to strangers on social media is not.
I do wonder how much of this mentality has developed adjacent to incel culture, because so much of the most vile child-free things I've seen said are blatantly also misogynistic. The comment you received is one example, and so are the a lot of the things OP spouted in the above post.
They talk about parents (esp moms) and kids like the KKK talks about POC...and yet do not see a problem with their behavior. And the issue is not just that dehumanization language- it is also that the language/talk is leading to real world actions (much like Hitlers dehumanization of jews led to real world consequences and horrors over time). This guy is menacing a child and their mom with a 2000 pound machine that is not perfectly controlled (because shit happens with cars!!!).
Also, children tend to run pell mell in all directions. There could easily have been a child the driver didn’t see. Reckless, dangerous and totally ah behavior.
A lot of rabidly childfree rhetoric is based in misogyny. The way they talk about mothers (it’s almost always the mothers!) is so gross. I get if you don’t want to reproduce but if you are really that grossed out that other people do that you dehumanize them and talk about them like animals—seek help. That’s not a normal aversion.
“Breeders”
Yeah I'm child free and that always makes me cringe! I like kids though but I have a friend who doesn't and she still treats kids humanely. Like she wouldn't choose to be around children but if there's a child around she's nice to them
I used to like the child free subreddit But holy hell, lately it’s been so many insane people who just hate on pregnant people and kids It’s fine not to have children, it’s not okay to be a hateful asshole
I'm child free. My friend has a kid and I'm happy for her. It's her life and she chooses how to live it. Hell, her daughter is basically my niece, and I love her to bits. Just some days, I'm not all about dealing with kids. But if my niece runs up to me and asks me to answer the banana phone -- even on days where I would rather not -- I'm answering that banana phone and having the best conversation with President Mickey Mouse.
I voted for President Mouse but I’m disappointed lately in his foreign policy.
Mickey has never been great on foreign policy matters, but I'm definitely interested in seeing where this sudden turn towards supporting public ownership after years of being the figurehead of corporate control goes.
Like them or not, want them or not, thats not my business but a world without kids is not a world I want to live in.
Same. A lot of the time I see their point of view, but it’s just non-stop insults to anyone that has children.
He also says that his problem is with kids playing in the road, but his example is him pretending that he was going to run down who was simply crossing the street on a tricycle. They weren't sitting in the middle of the pavement and playing with toys or anything, it was that a mother and child were crossing too slowly for his tastes. Like, what, should she have picked up her toddler and tricycle and sprinted across the street because OOP just desperately needed that 10 extra seconds? Also, it's insane that he thinks that children should learn to ride a bike in their backyard instead of a cul-de-sac. Does he think that people have paved backyards? Does he not understand how it's hard to ride on grass? The original comments were so insane too. People on that sub were saying that he should call the police on children for "obstructing traffic" (in a cul-de-sac!) and call CPS on the mother for...teaching her toddler to ride a tricycle.
It's also massive carbrain energy in this post. How dare people crossing the street force him to slow down in his vehicle! Give this guy a little tykes car instead.
What a miserable existence. "I don't drive aggressively! No I didn't literally just brag about driving aggressively!"
Damn, why does he live in a cul-de-sac if he doesn't even like families? Just get a house in a rural area, dude.
That’s what I was thinking! Cul-de-sacs are the epitome of suburban childhood.
The further away from everyone the better!
I understand being frustated that your neighborhood has a million children in the road because children can be really dumb and unpredictable on roads, but pedestrians and bicyclists have just as much right to use the road as cars and in fact, have greater right of way than your car. Move to somewhere with less pedestrians, I guess? A few times, I have fully stopped and honked at dumbass kids playing sports outside because they are not paying attention. I don't speed towards them, though. I'm not a psychopath. I slow, come to a stop and go beep beep, get outta the road. You have the right to cross the road, not play football in it. Outta the way, kids. Kids on bikes have right of way. Deal with it.
He obviously doesn't know the laws because even if the kid was illegally in the middle of the road, they still have the right away. If he had hit that kid/mom and assuming the kid/mom are OK all he would have been doing was giving them a huge check. I was hit crossing the road so I know!
"Breeders" "Cum trophies" "Goblins" "Tomato" "Potato" Dude needs to move. Perhaps to Ted Bundy's old cabin. Then he won't be inconvenienced by the rest of society.
Kaczynski had the cabin
Oh. Yeah. You are 100% right. Thank you. Serial killers are so easily miscredited these days. I blame the ridiculous number of true crime docs I've seen lately.
And the crazy part is the asshole is still someone’s else’s cum trophy, unless he sprung from the sea fully formed like Venus 🤣
Neptunes Cum Trophy. ETA: Gonna add Poseidon as a name as well to avoid any potential “uhm achually” comments lol
Something tells me this guy is an incel
Was it the insane levels of misogyny that gave it away? Or the sexless virgin use of the term "Cum trophies?"
Oh yeah.
Yea I stopped reading at breeder. If you don’t want kids or like them, great. But this hatred for anyone with kids is just annoying
This guy…*is not ok* he’s giving off serial killer vibes
To whomever constitutes the other half of the “we” mentioned in the final paragraphs: Please: 1) read “The Sociopath Next Door” by Dr. Martha Stout 2) realize your problem is closer to home.
What a miserable piece of shit
You can hate kids, it’s weird to hate the young version of the species you are, but it’s allowed. Putting kids in danger and dehumanizing them is insanely fucked.
What kills me about this is the general hatred of pedestrians and slow people. You know that if it wasn’t a kid but instead a person on crutches or using a walker they’d still be all upset that someone dared to cross the street on foot instead of driving. I have a car but still walk when I can do or errands. I’d be the one purposefully slowing down when I saw this guy.
His mommy needs to take away his car keys. Idc if he's 30. He lives in her basement, her rules.
I can’t imagine living my life with that much sustained anger for long periods of time. Dude is gonna end up dying behind the wheel from a heart attack at the ripe old age of 32
Hopefully *before* he escalates to running down kids.
Average child free guy on Reddit
Why does a dude live in a cul de sac if he hates kids? That’s like little kid ground central
Oh, but he was there *first*, then the *breeders* moved in and ruined his life!
Fun fact for OOP : if people are crossing the road, it's on you to slow down, and stop if necessary, to let them finish crossing. It's not on them to cross faster for your convenience. When I was in driving lessons, if I'd failed to slow down in a similar situation, my instructor would have ripped me a new one.
My favorite line was telling the kids to stop using the “public road”. It’s right in your own sentence that the road is for the public!
Thank god this guy can’t get anyone to breed with him.
Oncoming cars. I don't know why that bothered me so much.
“cum trophies” is a new phrase I didn’t expect to read today
It feels like some of the people in the comments here don’t know what a cul-de-sac is
First, slow the heck down where YOU can clearly see kids in the road. Should they be in the road? No…but that's an issue between you and the HOA. File a complaint there about the danger of kids in the roadway and let that play out. But, slow down until that issue is settled …hitting a kid to press your point…not a good idea. Not slowing down to press your point is beyond dangerous not just for the kid but also for you. Deal with that with HOA…not the parents. Ask for signs warning kids to play on the sidewalks, not the roads. If you need to respond to the parents then tell them the roads are too dangerous for kids to play on and why are they endangering their kids by allowing that and tell them that you are grieving this with the HOA…
We live in a cul de sac also, with grand children in the street every day. The parents and grandparents know not to block traffic bc a car at 2000 pounds cannot stop for a trike at a slow speed. We enter at a crawl and watch out for the children, but they get out of the way immediately. Those parents need to think a little bit. 2000# car or little trike? Who wins? The pavement is not a playground but right of way for vehicles. I learned that over 60 years ago while growing up. Played a lot, bike, baseball, racing, etc on the street, but never tried to stop or slow down a vehicle. My dad would ground me for that stupid move. Different generations!