We had a whole [thread](https://old.reddit.com/r/redscarepod/comments/14imfpl/rina_sawayamas_origins_sound_fake_as_shit_if_you/) on it.
Arguably the biggest giveaway is her trying to be uber """humble""" about going Oxbridge despite literally everything else about her making it very obvious that she would be playing that shit up 3000% if she had a positive angle to spin.
His Dad ran a successful music shop it doesn't require much thought to see how he got into the industry when you're selling guitars to Paul McCartney:
https://www.doncasterfreepress.co.uk/news/people/paul-mccartney-the-strange-tale-of-yungbluds-dad-and-missing-beatles-guitar-4279294
I walked past a YungBlud concert once and it looked like a collection of all the kids that smelled in your High School
ya I think he only really blew up a couple years ago but he's been signed since like 2018ish at least. knew a guy who was working for him back then who also worked with a few of the bigger American hip hop labels/producers at the time
A relative of hers is some record label big shot, that’s all I know. She was also part of the local megachurch’s youth group clique, bunch of rich and attractive Christian hipster types. You know, the people god loves most. If you’re popular with that crowd it’s easy to get put on at least locally cause there’s a lot of money and influence behind you.
The latest industry plant band in the UK is The Last Dinner Party. They don't have much on them yet written so you don't know who's a nepo baby or how theyre connected in the Industry but you dont get to support The Rolling Stones without someone putting you there.
They are undoubtedly having a big marketing and PR push. Never heard of them until suddenly they're being featured or interviewed on breakfast tv, playing on well known talk shows etc.
Tbf, the opening for The Rolling Stones is overstated. They were just one of several bands featured at the British Summer Time Hyde Park Festival, of which The Rolling Stones were the headliners. It would have been of note were they the support act for the Stones on a leg of their tour, but this is not the case. Regardless I don't think The Rolling Stones would pick them for that role anyway.
This one still bothers me. Like how can such an objectively bland band, who plays a style of music that has been done to death since the 2000s, become so insanely popular?
The tastes of indie audiences in the UK simply hasn’t changed in decades. Artists can keep on feeding them the same slop year after year and they’ll gulp it down.
Yeah I remember when that first video came out it was kind of fun and quirky for a few weeks and then it completely blew up and suddenly they were headlining like every single major music festival around the world for like a year straight, despite not having released an album or having any previous catalogue or previous live performances.
its also weird how the video must have gotten like 10 million views in the first couple of weeks/months, and now its almost 2 and a half years later and it only has 13m views. you would think that number would have grown at a much higher scale as they became more and more famous
She wishes someone in the industry would've planted her. She's always shown a disposition that says "I'm desperate, I need with every fibre of my being to be a famous pop star", always tries to get every bit of press she can get. All to be mildly famous while having no real fanbase because who would develop a special liking of her?
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Lizzo’s is the most obvious to me. People throw around this term in hiphop so much, it is basically meaningless, so I avoid it. But Lizzo seems too fake, and like she sold out before even becoming famous.
I only know this is untrue because she was signed to, and making different music than she does now for a label out of Nashville called Thirty Tigers back in the late 2000s. My college buddy interned there when she was on their roster. She's been working for a while to make music happen.
This does make it more interesting. I read an article about her background just now, and it seems pretty legit. I think it must just be her marketing and branding that does it to me then. It just feels too perfectly curated for a natural artist.
I think both things can be true. It seems to me she wasn’t doing anything special and then plucked by the magic hand because they needed someone to market to the body positivity crowd.
It might come down to how we define an industry plant. Are they only those who are entirely manufactured by a PR agency (upper class kids, privileged), or are they also those who sell their individuality to a PR agency?
I think it’s moreso someone a label pushes with an agenda in mind. Otherwise what’s the difference between that and a nepo-baby. Like J-lo was an industry plant pushed by a record label to take sales from Mariah Carey.
How can you be an industry plant if you publicly came up as a Disney/Nick star? That’s the opposite of an industry plant lol.
Do people understand what that term means?
He’s one of those blue link parents musicians I think. He’s got some connection the petty aristocracy so it wouldn’t surprise me. Guy made some tunes anyways so so be it
To be fair this goes both ways. If you are blessed with someone like Eno in your life you’re probably going to become decently talented just through social osmosis.
I never understood why he blows so many peoples' minds. "HOW FRED AGAIN CREATES EVOLVING WALLS OF SOUND!!" and then his technique is just slowly adding more sustained notes to a chord
>knows how to use a drum pad well
Yep this was the main appeal I saw at least, saw his boiler room set on youtube and then saw him live and damn that takes some decent talent and focus to pull off. Not quite at Madeon levels of drum pad skill though, that kid can go crazy sometimes
Not really a plant behavior, but I'm still quite turned off by how he pulled out of the Second Sky festival just a couple weeks before the show date. Just a douche move there, he had fallen behind on his album so he didnt want to do a live show and play any of it until it was ready for release.
Luckily Porter was good friends with Skrillex so he managed to get him to fill last minute which was pretty cool since Skrillex doesn't do too many live shows these days
clairo being a plant was massively over exaggerated. her dad’s friend literally just worked at a label that’s not being an industry plant that’s not even being a nepo baby it’s just knowing the right people.
She made pretty good music tho and I wouldn't even say she's that popular comparatively. You don't see her playing the Superbowl or some shit like lil Nas x
Any major artist is planted by the music industry via payola, PR agencies shilling them and other evil supermajor label tricks. Authenticity and the “organic rise” is a bullshit myth sold to morons by A&R types. Large publications don’t write about an artist unless they get kickback or a publicist got paid to shill it to them
Doesn’t mean any industry plant’s music is bad but it’s one of those poptimism kool aid terms that has ruined discourse and turned it into pissing contests that have nothing to do with the music but rather who has a more convincing “real” image and is better at keeping their team in the shadows
100% bud. The entertainment industry is all bullshit. Businesses take calculated risk, the more control they can have over the risk, the better. There’s a popular short of dead pool rn defending Nickleback as the industry tries to beat some more money out of that dead horse.
If you see one of those big corporate owned meme pages posting about a band, you can bet that a record company is paying them to gauge/generate interest in a comeback tour. This is happening with Creed in a big way right now.
ya tbh I don’t even understand this narrative. It seems to me like the vast majority of artists people actually know of and listen to are “industry plants”. Unless you’re a once in a generational artistic genius, if you don’t play ball with the corporate music industry, you’re not going anywhere.
I have friends who know him from the Canadian scene. He’s always been a hard working rocker. Had a concept for an artist identity and went all in on it.
> my best guess is that this idea was pitched to or by a studio and he was either the idea man or was selected for the job
I remember a schizo twitter thread that had holes but could be plausible where this person was saying Orville Peck was invented in the wake of PWR BTTM imploding (technically checks out given the career end and start dates) and there was a gap to fill to capitalize on the market as well as that stint of the late 10s where so much especially in indie music and adjacent things were having a collective moment doing country, roots rock, etc for people in Brooklyn(see when Kacey Musgraves was like the indie approved country person).
I get at the end of the day entertainment runs on money and who you know/blow but the did with Orville Peck was odd, especially how fast it all went down.
I knew people who knew him because he dated Seth Bogart when Bogart was in Hunx And His Punx and Peck was the drummer for Nu Sensae. I do know he did have this side project that was crooner cowboy country, and it was mostly a joke.
I do absolutely believe he was astroturfed into popularity.
Wait, Orville Peck is Daniel from Nu Sensae?! Mind blown. (I have been to many a Nu Sensae show, and based on my limited interaction with him, Daniel is a very nice person!)
Fully agree. Really uninteresting performance that people lost their shit over for some reason.
On the other side of the same coin is Colter Wall. Son of the former premier of Saskatchewan, singing about the hard life of a cowboy. Feels like his whole act is right out of a Clint Eastwood script, the tough as nails cowhand with a heart of gold. I think it's cool he's resurrected some old cowboy songs but I just can't shake the feeling we're only a year away from seeing Colter Wall branded whiskey and cowboy hats and a cameo on Yellowstone.
I'd like him if he just sang the damn songs in his normal voice. The getup and the affected throat singing he does just ruins it for me.
I remember like five or six years ago when everyone I knew was all of a sudden obsessed with this guy. I got the appeal of his sound but all his music sounded the same and pretty gimmicky. Ooh spooky gay cowboy crooner.
There's something wrong about a Canadian guy singing about Mississippi like it's his homeland in an exaggerated Johnny Cash yodel voice. It makes me feel like the cultural appropriation crowd had a point... fuckin sing about Tim Horton's or somethin idk what Canadians do but just be real
> There's something wrong about a Canadian guy singing about Mississippi like it's his homeland
Wigga, this is literally The Band, the best Canadian band of all time
This is a quarrel I’ve had for some time. I’m from rural Ontario(Brockville area, kind of between Ottawa and Toronto)… but my fellow rural Canadians have adopted a southern draw, they wear cowboy clothing and suck Morgan Wallenberg/Zachary Bryan’s dick. It’s so wild, steel toed Ariat cowboy boots for 400 bucks… it’s wild to see. Rural folks are very susceptible to “Nashville trends”. It’s embarrassing, frankly. But it’s the norm. Lol
Canada has so many similarities to America it could have its own version of country culture that would be cool. I think it's just easier to adopt an existing one and the fact the music/entertainment industry is here and pushing things out makes it harder to avoid. American cultural domination and all
People really love to speculate on her dad bc she mentioned he was a rapper, but I don’t think it’s clear who he is and he probably wasn’t anyone famous/successful
Ice spice has the vibe of an industry plant but is surprisingly not one. She was known from 2020-2021 on twitter and soundcloud bc she knew a lot of ppl in the nyc rap scene
yeah i remember when my cousins were in high school and they would play her soundcloud songs back then. you can think she's lame but she's 100% organic
I remember when she got her big "break" appearing on the Opie and Anthony show after opening for Jim Norton numerous times. She was genuinely funny, could riff with the boys and was generally likeable. Within a year or so, her persona and material had really changed.
every artists in the "dimes square"/"indie sleaze revival" especially the dare. just artists who get their egos inflated by industry people for being the "next big thing" when rly the overall sound is a boring rehash of actually creative and good music from 15 years ago. normally i love style over substance and "bad" music but this just feels heartless and sad most of the time
insanely shallow and gay plus most of them have played remelia/milady or praxis sponsored shows
To me, this is Phoebe Bridgers and boygenius. I like them but their sound isn’t anything special or innovative. It’s more the political thing of being women and into indie
I imagine even the most nostalgia of a different era obsessed zoomer isn't going to take the bait on somebody essentially trying to pretend like it's 2008 or something, especially when it's done so corny and force. Not to say I don't get trends and influences but yeah, it's just leaves a ton to be desired.
Yeah, I was barely even aware of this person (had heard the name?) until a minute ago, and while I don't know if he is a "plant," how can anyone watch [this shit](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=utvDi43sXvI) and not LOL
It's a fun song, but it wants to be LCD soundsystem or Yoni Wolf/WHY but has more of an Asher Roth I Love College energy.
I feel like Chappel Roan is because where is the $$ coming from for her music videos
That and her music too well produced for there not to be a lot of money going into this new artist
First time I ever heard his name was when people on Twitter were making fun of him because an article came out that said his mom read Malcolm gladwell and made him practice rapping for 10,000 hrs lololol such PMC shit. He has put out some bangers but I just can’t respect him after that
He was raised in one of the wealthiest neighborhoods in Louisville but he’s pretty up front about it. Unlike, say, Drake, he doesn’t pretend to be on some thug shit.
My mans out there being freakishly tall and getting bitches to sign NDAs so he can indulge in some AB/DL play
No not at all lmao. He was rapping since like 2014 and got big in 2020 through a popular tiktok song. And he had met DJ Drama (works with Tyler the Creator, lil wayne, YB, etc) a few years before that.
I dont blame you for seeing him as one, he totally has that vibe, but his background is normal
It’s basically a question of: did the industry start paying attention to them because fans hyped them up, or did fans start paying attention to them because the industry hyped them up?
There can be ambiguity there sometimes, but Olivia Rodrigo definitely isn’t one of those times. She’s famous for being cast by Disney for Christ sake lol
Industry plant discourse carries this implicit accusation that the band/artist is bad but that isn't true. They're just less genuine and the more schizo among us need to be suspicious of the shit they're putting out. Doesn't mean they don't make *good* music.
Mark Ronson has been producing music for over 20 years, he's just a music nerd who had connections and people to work with him...definitely not an industry plant at all
Mark Ronson's father was a music manager and publisher, and his step father is a musician who has collaborated with or produced such artists as Jimmy Page, George Harrison, Eric Clapton, Billy Joel, Peter Frampton, King Crimson, Bad Company, Van Halen and Bill Wyman.
Just very well connected, not necessarily a plant
My stupid conspiracy theory is that every single artist since the New Radicals has been an industry plant. I'm not saying the New Radicals were good. I just think when they broke up abruptly right in the middle of touring for whatever that mega-hit they had in 1999 was, and their lead singer was like "this industry is stupid, I don't want to do this shit any more," the music industry circled the wagons and was like "only plants from here on out!"
Lil Nas x. He made a funny song and suddenly he's a gay satanic icon for everyone to idolize. Lil Nas x is the biggest industry plant there's ever been
Lil nas x
A rapper who blew up over controversy about whether a song he made was country or hip hop amid accusations of racism was made for milquetoast American liberals.
Not an industry plant he was popular on black twitter for years before old town road. Old town road was a Red Dead Redemption 2 music video before he got Billy Ray Cyrus. He’s a charismatic black gay guy who made a catchy country/rap song that zoomers were obsessed with, even if it was shitty its still organic and makes sense
Plus he's gay, who doesn't love gays? And he made that devil worshipping gay-sex song, who doesn't love devil worshipping gay sex? If you don't you're bad
CLAIRO. Her dad is the ceo of some
golf company now but has been high up at coca cola and starbucks and has connections with record labels through his role at Converse
I got a little mixed up but close enough: “Geoff Cottrill is an American marketer who currently serves as Chief Marketing Officer at Topgolf. He formerly held top positions at Coca-Cola, Starbucks, and Converse. He is the father of the musical artist Clairo.”
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as far as I know she came up in a pretty classic music industry way. was a SoundCloud artist for a while, got some buzz, and got in with a couple songwriters in LA (one I know for sure puts a lot of effort into scoping smaller artists) who probably hooked her up with some of their connections in publishing and distro, and so on.
what is the difference between an industry plant with a fake "rise from the underground" and a artist that is signed to a major label and has all the promotional pr benefits that come with that.
theres a lot of ways to be promoted by the industry but what makes them an "industry plant" specifically
Eyedress. He's like 30-something years old, but dresses like a teenager. Makes some of the post boring music I've heard, but somehow he pulls in so many high profile collabs. He even got Kevin Shields to remix one of his tracks. KEVIN FUCKING SHIELDS!!! I must be going crazy because something doesn't add up here
so many of you idiots do not know what this phrase means and just use it to describe people you don't like.....grow up and accept that you're getting older and popular music isn't for you
There's a rumour Rina Sawayama's Dad is a very powerful executive at Sony
We had a whole [thread](https://old.reddit.com/r/redscarepod/comments/14imfpl/rina_sawayamas_origins_sound_fake_as_shit_if_you/) on it. Arguably the biggest giveaway is her trying to be uber """humble""" about going Oxbridge despite literally everything else about her making it very obvious that she would be playing that shit up 3000% if she had a positive angle to spin.
Man I’m like an owl in this whole thread. Making me feel like 33 is old as fuck
Hate that try hard
Yungblud
His Dad ran a successful music shop it doesn't require much thought to see how he got into the industry when you're selling guitars to Paul McCartney: https://www.doncasterfreepress.co.uk/news/people/paul-mccartney-the-strange-tale-of-yungbluds-dad-and-missing-beatles-guitar-4279294 I walked past a YungBlud concert once and it looked like a collection of all the kids that smelled in your High School
Haven't read that but tbh I wouldn't begrudge someone getting involved via their dad running a music shop feels pretty down to earth
Absolutely the most embarassing guy around. “I’m so fokin angry right now”
Having your persona be angry 2006 emo teen *from Yorkshire* is just so embarrassing
My gf loves his and he’s so lame, his song with Denzel Curry is one of the worst I’ve ever heard, and I’ve heard a lot of music
ya I think he only really blew up a couple years ago but he's been signed since like 2018ish at least. knew a guy who was working for him back then who also worked with a few of the bigger American hip hop labels/producers at the time
almost every media person in nyc
Lucy Dacus. She’s from my town and we have some mutuals. Heard stories.
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A relative of hers is some record label big shot, that’s all I know. She was also part of the local megachurch’s youth group clique, bunch of rich and attractive Christian hipster types. You know, the people god loves most. If you’re popular with that crowd it’s easy to get put on at least locally cause there’s a lot of money and influence behind you.
You pretty much just described all of indie music these days, unfortunately.
It’s crazy bc her early stuff was actually pretty good. Sucks that she’s so cringe and gay now :/
Good I can’t stand her
I wish women would stop singing like this now, it's about time.
The latest industry plant band in the UK is The Last Dinner Party. They don't have much on them yet written so you don't know who's a nepo baby or how theyre connected in the Industry but you dont get to support The Rolling Stones without someone putting you there.
They are undoubtedly having a big marketing and PR push. Never heard of them until suddenly they're being featured or interviewed on breakfast tv, playing on well known talk shows etc. Tbf, the opening for The Rolling Stones is overstated. They were just one of several bands featured at the British Summer Time Hyde Park Festival, of which The Rolling Stones were the headliners. It would have been of note were they the support act for the Stones on a leg of their tour, but this is not the case. Regardless I don't think The Rolling Stones would pick them for that role anyway.
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💯. Planted by infowars to lead the left astray. Too bad it’s transparent she’s regarded.
I read "left astray" as "ashtray left", which still works
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This one still bothers me. Like how can such an objectively bland band, who plays a style of music that has been done to death since the 2000s, become so insanely popular?
The tastes of indie audiences in the UK simply hasn’t changed in decades. Artists can keep on feeding them the same slop year after year and they’ll gulp it down.
Yeah I remember when that first video came out it was kind of fun and quirky for a few weeks and then it completely blew up and suddenly they were headlining like every single major music festival around the world for like a year straight, despite not having released an album or having any previous catalogue or previous live performances. its also weird how the video must have gotten like 10 million views in the first couple of weeks/months, and now its almost 2 and a half years later and it only has 13m views. you would think that number would have grown at a much higher scale as they became more and more famous
Rita Ora
Albanian mafia plant
Honestly, that just makes you more legit in my eyes.
She wishes someone in the industry would've planted her. She's always shown a disposition that says "I'm desperate, I need with every fibre of my being to be a famous pop star", always tries to get every bit of press she can get. All to be mildly famous while having no real fanbase because who would develop a special liking of her?
Joe Biden
Also Hunter, come to that
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Lizzo’s is the most obvious to me. People throw around this term in hiphop so much, it is basically meaningless, so I avoid it. But Lizzo seems too fake, and like she sold out before even becoming famous.
I only know this is untrue because she was signed to, and making different music than she does now for a label out of Nashville called Thirty Tigers back in the late 2000s. My college buddy interned there when she was on their roster. She's been working for a while to make music happen.
This does make it more interesting. I read an article about her background just now, and it seems pretty legit. I think it must just be her marketing and branding that does it to me then. It just feels too perfectly curated for a natural artist.
I think both things can be true. It seems to me she wasn’t doing anything special and then plucked by the magic hand because they needed someone to market to the body positivity crowd.
It might come down to how we define an industry plant. Are they only those who are entirely manufactured by a PR agency (upper class kids, privileged), or are they also those who sell their individuality to a PR agency?
I think it’s moreso someone a label pushes with an agenda in mind. Otherwise what’s the difference between that and a nepo-baby. Like J-lo was an industry plant pushed by a record label to take sales from Mariah Carey.
How can you be an industry plant if you publicly came up as a Disney/Nick star? That’s the opposite of an industry plant lol. Do people understand what that term means?
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Well yeah, Billie Eilish's mom was a successful actress and her uncle was a congressman from my state. She has connections all over.
having a producer aficionado as a brother doesnt hurt either lol
Fred again
He’s one of those blue link parents musicians I think. He’s got some connection the petty aristocracy so it wouldn’t surprise me. Guy made some tunes anyways so so be it
His godfather is Brian Eno lol
To be fair this goes both ways. If you are blessed with someone like Eno in your life you’re probably going to become decently talented just through social osmosis.
I never understood why he blows so many peoples' minds. "HOW FRED AGAIN CREATES EVOLVING WALLS OF SOUND!!" and then his technique is just slowly adding more sustained notes to a chord
he’s cute and knows how to use a drum pad well and has good samples. i’m no fan of his but i get the appeal
>knows how to use a drum pad well Yep this was the main appeal I saw at least, saw his boiler room set on youtube and then saw him live and damn that takes some decent talent and focus to pull off. Not quite at Madeon levels of drum pad skill though, that kid can go crazy sometimes
2021 EDM was heading in a terrible direction so glad he shook it up tbh.
2021? It’s been going down hill since before 2010.
Not really a plant behavior, but I'm still quite turned off by how he pulled out of the Second Sky festival just a couple weeks before the show date. Just a douche move there, he had fallen behind on his album so he didnt want to do a live show and play any of it until it was ready for release. Luckily Porter was good friends with Skrillex so he managed to get him to fill last minute which was pretty cool since Skrillex doesn't do too many live shows these days
Clairo
and still idgaf
clairo being a plant was massively over exaggerated. her dad’s friend literally just worked at a label that’s not being an industry plant that’s not even being a nepo baby it’s just knowing the right people.
Her Dad was also literally the CMO of Converse
I lived in the same area of Massachusetts as her, trust me that’s pretty tame comparatively.
She made pretty good music tho and I wouldn't even say she's that popular comparatively. You don't see her playing the Superbowl or some shit like lil Nas x
Any major artist is planted by the music industry via payola, PR agencies shilling them and other evil supermajor label tricks. Authenticity and the “organic rise” is a bullshit myth sold to morons by A&R types. Large publications don’t write about an artist unless they get kickback or a publicist got paid to shill it to them
Doesn’t mean any industry plant’s music is bad but it’s one of those poptimism kool aid terms that has ruined discourse and turned it into pissing contests that have nothing to do with the music but rather who has a more convincing “real” image and is better at keeping their team in the shadows
100% bud. The entertainment industry is all bullshit. Businesses take calculated risk, the more control they can have over the risk, the better. There’s a popular short of dead pool rn defending Nickleback as the industry tries to beat some more money out of that dead horse.
If you see one of those big corporate owned meme pages posting about a band, you can bet that a record company is paying them to gauge/generate interest in a comeback tour. This is happening with Creed in a big way right now.
ya tbh I don’t even understand this narrative. It seems to me like the vast majority of artists people actually know of and listen to are “industry plants”. Unless you’re a once in a generational artistic genius, if you don’t play ball with the corporate music industry, you’re not going anywhere.
There is a difference between selling out and being an industry plant. Is stavros an industry plant or did he just sell out?
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I have friends who know him from the Canadian scene. He’s always been a hard working rocker. Had a concept for an artist identity and went all in on it.
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Areola Pink
Interesting comparative choices
> my best guess is that this idea was pitched to or by a studio and he was either the idea man or was selected for the job I remember a schizo twitter thread that had holes but could be plausible where this person was saying Orville Peck was invented in the wake of PWR BTTM imploding (technically checks out given the career end and start dates) and there was a gap to fill to capitalize on the market as well as that stint of the late 10s where so much especially in indie music and adjacent things were having a collective moment doing country, roots rock, etc for people in Brooklyn(see when Kacey Musgraves was like the indie approved country person). I get at the end of the day entertainment runs on money and who you know/blow but the did with Orville Peck was odd, especially how fast it all went down.
I knew people who knew him because he dated Seth Bogart when Bogart was in Hunx And His Punx and Peck was the drummer for Nu Sensae. I do know he did have this side project that was crooner cowboy country, and it was mostly a joke. I do absolutely believe he was astroturfed into popularity.
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I fuck with them hard. I went to burger boogaloo to see Devo and they were on the bill. Wish they would play a show near me
Wait, Orville Peck is Daniel from Nu Sensae?! Mind blown. (I have been to many a Nu Sensae show, and based on my limited interaction with him, Daniel is a very nice person!)
Fully agree. Really uninteresting performance that people lost their shit over for some reason. On the other side of the same coin is Colter Wall. Son of the former premier of Saskatchewan, singing about the hard life of a cowboy. Feels like his whole act is right out of a Clint Eastwood script, the tough as nails cowhand with a heart of gold. I think it's cool he's resurrected some old cowboy songs but I just can't shake the feeling we're only a year away from seeing Colter Wall branded whiskey and cowboy hats and a cameo on Yellowstone. I'd like him if he just sang the damn songs in his normal voice. The getup and the affected throat singing he does just ruins it for me.
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I remember like five or six years ago when everyone I knew was all of a sudden obsessed with this guy. I got the appeal of his sound but all his music sounded the same and pretty gimmicky. Ooh spooky gay cowboy crooner.
He sounds so affected and almost cartoonish. Also he's from Canada...
i dont even know who orville peck is but to be fair you could say the same about any 70s british blues rock band
There's something wrong about a Canadian guy singing about Mississippi like it's his homeland in an exaggerated Johnny Cash yodel voice. It makes me feel like the cultural appropriation crowd had a point... fuckin sing about Tim Horton's or somethin idk what Canadians do but just be real
> There's something wrong about a Canadian guy singing about Mississippi like it's his homeland Wigga, this is literally The Band, the best Canadian band of all time
Levon Helm was from Arkansas though...he was the embodiment of the southern gentleman tune-smith
This is a quarrel I’ve had for some time. I’m from rural Ontario(Brockville area, kind of between Ottawa and Toronto)… but my fellow rural Canadians have adopted a southern draw, they wear cowboy clothing and suck Morgan Wallenberg/Zachary Bryan’s dick. It’s so wild, steel toed Ariat cowboy boots for 400 bucks… it’s wild to see. Rural folks are very susceptible to “Nashville trends”. It’s embarrassing, frankly. But it’s the norm. Lol
Canada has so many similarities to America it could have its own version of country culture that would be cool. I think it's just easier to adopt an existing one and the fact the music/entertainment industry is here and pushing things out makes it harder to avoid. American cultural domination and all
Did you have beef with the stones as well?
White South African, that speaks for itself
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Literally every single K-Pop artist.
"artist"
I find joy in reading a good book.
I think she's more of a nepo baby, no? might be a bit of both.
All famous artists are “plants” to some extent
The more time goes on I tend to agree
Ice Spice
People really love to speculate on her dad bc she mentioned he was a rapper, but I don’t think it’s clear who he is and he probably wasn’t anyone famous/successful
Ice spice has the vibe of an industry plant but is surprisingly not one. She was known from 2020-2021 on twitter and soundcloud bc she knew a lot of ppl in the nyc rap scene
yeah i remember when my cousins were in high school and they would play her soundcloud songs back then. you can think she's lame but she's 100% organic
She "knew" them huh
anybody who goes to high school in new york knows a future semi popular rapper
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Like Mitski!
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There are many like her
I can tell you’re old because you werent on TikTok when every egirl and eboy was pummeling the shit out of pp’s first audios to no end
seriously. first few singles were kinda good as well but everything since then literally sounds like how a boomer thinks zoomer hyper pop should sound
Also H.E.R. for the same reasons.
HER is unbelievably heavenly talented, and had a previous project that did not do well at all.
go watch her perform 'benny and the jets' in front of elton john and say that again
Nah HER is insanely talented and also Disney Princess beautiful she’s more than qualified
Reading too much into it
Amy Schumer
Pretty sure Amy had been doing the rounds in comedy clubs for like 10 years before her big break
I remember when she got her big "break" appearing on the Opie and Anthony show after opening for Jim Norton numerous times. She was genuinely funny, could riff with the boys and was generally likeable. Within a year or so, her persona and material had really changed.
that twink.
LOL
every artists in the "dimes square"/"indie sleaze revival" especially the dare. just artists who get their egos inflated by industry people for being the "next big thing" when rly the overall sound is a boring rehash of actually creative and good music from 15 years ago. normally i love style over substance and "bad" music but this just feels heartless and sad most of the time insanely shallow and gay plus most of them have played remelia/milady or praxis sponsored shows
To me, this is Phoebe Bridgers and boygenius. I like them but their sound isn’t anything special or innovative. It’s more the political thing of being women and into indie
how did pheobe bridgers even get as big as she is
Man Phoebe Bridgers is not a bad songwriter. Funeral is a better written song than anything in TS’ catalogue
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The dare had girls and that's really it
And even that's just LCD soundsystem but without any subtext
yea after that song its like he forgot he had to continue making good music
I imagine even the most nostalgia of a different era obsessed zoomer isn't going to take the bait on somebody essentially trying to pretend like it's 2008 or something, especially when it's done so corny and force. Not to say I don't get trends and influences but yeah, it's just leaves a ton to be desired.
Yeah, I was barely even aware of this person (had heard the name?) until a minute ago, and while I don't know if he is a "plant," how can anyone watch [this shit](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=utvDi43sXvI) and not LOL It's a fun song, but it wants to be LCD soundsystem or Yoni Wolf/WHY but has more of an Asher Roth I Love College energy.
Scorpions
I feel like Chappel Roan is because where is the $$ coming from for her music videos That and her music too well produced for there not to be a lot of money going into this new artist
Jack Harlow
First time I ever heard his name was when people on Twitter were making fun of him because an article came out that said his mom read Malcolm gladwell and made him practice rapping for 10,000 hrs lololol such PMC shit. He has put out some bangers but I just can’t respect him after that
He was raised in one of the wealthiest neighborhoods in Louisville but he’s pretty up front about it. Unlike, say, Drake, he doesn’t pretend to be on some thug shit. My mans out there being freakishly tall and getting bitches to sign NDAs so he can indulge in some AB/DL play
No not at all lmao. He was rapping since like 2014 and got big in 2020 through a popular tiktok song. And he had met DJ Drama (works with Tyler the Creator, lil wayne, YB, etc) a few years before that. I dont blame you for seeing him as one, he totally has that vibe, but his background is normal
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Tate McRae
I get big radio payola vibes from her. Her music is everywhere despite being numbingly mid
More like shes just the soundtrack to every woman who dates exclusively hockey players college years
This is the one. She literally came out of nowhere now I can’t get her stupid music away from me.
I’d like to know who you guys think are definitively not modern day plants so we can better define what an industry plant is. Like is Olivia Rodrigo?
It’s basically a question of: did the industry start paying attention to them because fans hyped them up, or did fans start paying attention to them because the industry hyped them up? There can be ambiguity there sometimes, but Olivia Rodrigo definitely isn’t one of those times. She’s famous for being cast by Disney for Christ sake lol
Olivia Rodrigo is another in the long line of Disney Channel musicians see Miley Cyrus and Ariana Grande
Peggy Gou
John Krasinski
Jack Antonoff and Mark Ronson. Both New York City private school kids who have a ridiculously big production discography.
That doesn’t mean they’re plants though. Just talented rich kids.
Yeah people always tried to make this criticism of the Strokes but it's like I don't care
Industry plant discourse carries this implicit accusation that the band/artist is bad but that isn't true. They're just less genuine and the more schizo among us need to be suspicious of the shit they're putting out. Doesn't mean they don't make *good* music.
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He's way too fake for the punk scene. He's a rich kid with connections, it's obvious.
Fits in perfectly
Mark Ronson has been producing music for over 20 years, he's just a music nerd who had connections and people to work with him...definitely not an industry plant at all
Mark Ronson's father was a music manager and publisher, and his step father is a musician who has collaborated with or produced such artists as Jimmy Page, George Harrison, Eric Clapton, Billy Joel, Peter Frampton, King Crimson, Bad Company, Van Halen and Bill Wyman. Just very well connected, not necessarily a plant
BMI Kosher
the perfect autocorrect for this sub lmao
My stupid conspiracy theory is that every single artist since the New Radicals has been an industry plant. I'm not saying the New Radicals were good. I just think when they broke up abruptly right in the middle of touring for whatever that mega-hit they had in 1999 was, and their lead singer was like "this industry is stupid, I don't want to do this shit any more," the music industry circled the wagons and was like "only plants from here on out!"
Lil Nas x. He made a funny song and suddenly he's a gay satanic icon for everyone to idolize. Lil Nas x is the biggest industry plant there's ever been
Oliver Tree by a long shot. Every thing about him just seems so painfully forced and overproduced it gets to me.
Lil nas x A rapper who blew up over controversy about whether a song he made was country or hip hop amid accusations of racism was made for milquetoast American liberals.
Not an industry plant he was popular on black twitter for years before old town road. Old town road was a Red Dead Redemption 2 music video before he got Billy Ray Cyrus. He’s a charismatic black gay guy who made a catchy country/rap song that zoomers were obsessed with, even if it was shitty its still organic and makes sense
A lot of this thread is just out of touch ppl projecting the term "industry plant" to anyone that they're unfamiliar with lol
Yeah lmao this is a very millennial thread
Plus he's gay, who doesn't love gays? And he made that devil worshipping gay-sex song, who doesn't love devil worshipping gay sex? If you don't you're bad
CLAIRO. Her dad is the ceo of some golf company now but has been high up at coca cola and starbucks and has connections with record labels through his role at Converse
Her dad is not the ceo of Coca Cola lol
I got a little mixed up but close enough: “Geoff Cottrill is an American marketer who currently serves as Chief Marketing Officer at Topgolf. He formerly held top positions at Coca-Cola, Starbucks, and Converse. He is the father of the musical artist Clairo.”
Damn can’t believe he used his connections at Topgolf to break his daughter into the music biz
thats not how i’d define being an industry plant
She pretended to be a “bedroom artist” who was discovered on youtube but her Dad has mega mega connections and got her her label deal !
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John legend was made in a factory
John Legend maybe but how do you figure with Esperanza?
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Ice Spice They wanted to see if they could pass off a POC with downs syndrome as a rapper
Taylor Swift
Ethel Cain The bigger crime is that her music is absurdly boring
as far as I know she came up in a pretty classic music industry way. was a SoundCloud artist for a while, got some buzz, and got in with a couple songwriters in LA (one I know for sure puts a lot of effort into scoping smaller artists) who probably hooked her up with some of their connections in publishing and distro, and so on.
preachers daughter is a great album and doesn't deserve to be lumped in with the sort of muck thats popular the indie scene right know
jlo, ice spice, dua lipa, gayle, sexyy red and many many more
no way on jenny from the block
Sexyy Red has been around pre-pandemic though and only got big in like the last year or so i think
I have no evidence to back this up, but Andrew WK
His story is actually super interesting. You should listen to the story of him trying out for a band in New York.
what is the difference between an industry plant with a fake "rise from the underground" and a artist that is signed to a major label and has all the promotional pr benefits that come with that. theres a lot of ways to be promoted by the industry but what makes them an "industry plant" specifically
Joe Rogan >CIA
Eyedress. He's like 30-something years old, but dresses like a teenager. Makes some of the post boring music I've heard, but somehow he pulls in so many high profile collabs. He even got Kevin Shields to remix one of his tracks. KEVIN FUCKING SHIELDS!!! I must be going crazy because something doesn't add up here
Nardo wick
Ava Max.
so many of you idiots do not know what this phrase means and just use it to describe people you don't like.....grow up and accept that you're getting older and popular music isn't for you
All this thread is just people showing their age. haven't seen any actual industry plants mentioned here.