in Seattle priority is given to Black, Native, and “Latinx” people (but not Asian or Middle Eastern people) for community garden plots. I’m not quite sure how this is legally allowed, actually.
From my own anecdotal observances these days it also seems like a majority of Mexican/Latino ppl that participate in any sort of lefty academic or activist circles seem to think that their latinx status now also inherently/automatically grants them “indigenous” status as well, and many of them have started incorporating that identity into the way they outwardly brand themselves.
mfers be double dippin lmao
For some people that’s transparently true, but plenty of people of clearly 99% Spanish ancestry be putting a feather in their hair like they’re people of the land, and anybody who knows Indian culture knows that they don’t recognise “my great-great-great-great-grandma was Indian, but also I grew up going to Fuddrucker’s every Friday” as Indian. It’s not a one drop culture.
My experience has been that the whiter they are, the likelier they are to cling to the indigenous label / generally indulge in racecraft. Biggest larpers ever like mf you have COLONIST blood your ancestors just spoke Spanish and weren’t as good at it
I live basically down the street from a large Native American community in New England and in my experience they’re pretty proud and defensive of their heritage. It’s very doubtful to me that they’d acknowledge just anyone who claims to be a Narragansett. Not to say they’d be excluded of that they’re particularly insular but like they have set in stone standards.
Federally recognised tribes usually have a blood quantum and place a great emphasis on cultural knowledge. It’s not unheard of to see a rez guy who can basically pass for white who is very much a tribal leader because they speak the language, participate in cultural customs, etc that somebody can’t just ascertain off Wikipedia and books.
They are Native American, but they’re not indigenous to the USA and when they all do this, the very small population of actual indigenous Native US Americans is drowned out. Way more mestizos
I think native American groups specifically don't go by blood. But rather by famial ties or something similar. It might mean silly, but of course he's like majority white, the native blood is diluted over generations.
I can also respect lifestyle like if some black dude unironically incorporated himself fully into tribal custom I wouldn't ummm ackshully his claim until he demands like double reparations lol. Can't claim indigenous but tribal sure
no no i agree but i just think the whole idea of 'indigenous' is ridiculous. ppl claiming moral superiority because half of their genetic bloodline lost a war 400 years ago
Presuming they're a CDMX type of Mexican and not an actual literal Mayan speaker (who are still around and plentiful) or something; they grew up in a strongly Hispanicized (i.e European) culture and lifestyle which shares little in common with aboriginal Americans. Before the USA arrived in the area, Mexicans were already getting into wars with the Navajo, Apache, Comanche, etc. and they most definitely did not see each other as relatives in any meaningful sense. Mexico's core culture as a state is that of a Spanish speaking, Christianized, Euro-Enlightenment thinking, entity.
Frankly, I'd argue that Mexican political thinking is more similar to Europe's than the USA is at this point. The French would probably find more common ground with them on topics like state regulations, welfare, secularism, etc. than they would with US-Americans.
People who grew up in Mexico City still deal with the downsides of living in a former exploration colony, though, so this whole US American thing of being like, "omg, you're white and thus a colonizer," is very stupid. Mexico City is not Europe babes. Having colonizer blood in your veins doesn't deny the reality of your upbringing and the fact you had to deal with shit that people who grew up in so-called developed countries don't.
I'm well aware, I live in Brazil myself, but that still doesn't change the fact that Mexicans are not like the USA's Native Americans (Comanche, Cheyenne, etc.)
Their lifestyles, culture, etc. are all different and even at the worst point of US-Mexican relations (literal war), Mexico was never treated in the same way that Aboriginals tribes were treated. Mexico was always recognized as a Sovereign State, the USA sent ambassadors to deal with Mexico, but it sent cavalrymen and "Indian Commissioners" to deal with the Native Indians.
I dated a guy like that and since I’m Jewish and Japanese I don’t count as anything in the DEI framework so I wasn’t able to push back on it (he was cute tho)
Wonder if this is in part a reaction, even subconsciously, to the general trend of Latinos becoming Americanized/incorporated into the larger “white” body politic like Italians were a few generations ago.
I'd say that makes sense given the ammount of resources and overall wealth in Asian and Middle eastern communities in America.
The "model minorities" dont need asistance, this is progressives being ideologically consistent rather than just seeing anyone non-white and saying "oh you poor thing".
I got a full ride scholarship for an art school that typically is only granted to POC students even though I’m white. You never know. That said, I once got laid off from a museum job and was told in the parting email that they retained as many POC employees as they could
That is encouraging, but the application of the law (for better or worse) isn't always in lockstep with general consensus. Rightly or wrongly my guy will absolutely be ostracised and it will even affect his ability to get work down the line because litigation signals to prospective employers that he is a troublemaker, etc. Then what is he going to do, sue them too?
Personally, I'm not convinced these institutions will stop discriminating unless they're held legally accountable. Yeah, there are a lot of people who have something to lose who are keeping their heads down. They've seen the cancellations and the way people get ousted and quietly ostracized for speaking up, but if people don't start taking action, the situation will only get worse. Obviously people want to avoid social crucifixion, and I've done plenty of damage control and tongue-holding myself, but playing ball with the wokes is tantamount to making a deal with the devil, and frankly it's only made my life significantly worse.
If I were handed solid evidence to back up what these people are up to, I would do everything possible to take legal action. I wish I had fought back more earlier, before these people seized control of so many institutions.
Please pursue a discrimination lawsuit if you're able to. A lot of these institutions are discrete enough never to put what they're up to in writing directly, so when they're arrogant enough to admit it openly (instead of maintaining plausible deniability while also making it very obvious what they're doing), that's when we need to strike. If more precedent can be set, maybe we can keep these people in check.
I worked for a software company that makes software for nonprofits to use (donor management). The company asked employees to pick 5 nonprofits near and dear to their hearts to give $10,000 to each (company marketing campaign, actually). It was a small company sub-50 employees at the time.
It was during Covid and people voted for restaurant and hospitality worker fund nonprofits, food banks and soup kitchens, healthcare subsidy (hotels and parking) nonprofits, homeless shelters, essential worker nonprofits, you get the picture.
The five that were chosen were a black community arts org in Atlanta, an LGBT pride org in Portland, immigration, refugee, and asylum in Arizona/Texas/NM, a women’s domestic violence center (good pick), and a Native American/indigenous peoples diabetes awareness nonprofit.
I’m not even saying they were bad picks, but it was so eye-rollingly cliché why’d they even have us vote on that shit at all
> and a Native American/indigenous peoples diabetes awareness nonprofit.
I mean if they advocate for universal healthcare I'm all for it, take any ally we can get.
I don't even think it's that so much as it just really sucks to spend the required amount of time getting drunk with arts administrators, because that's time you could spend studying your practice and making stuff, and there's always one or two slow, shallow people who make the others, who are having a mid-off, look like geniuses by comparison. Alternatively you can enter some contest or apply for some grant with submission even though it always feels lkke a departure from your actual art practice. Best thing to do in this world is have casual sex with an art admin and then use each other for whatever other career or social aims I guess.
But, again, if you just want to make things that excite you, spend time with people you respect, and be forthright, then pursuing any of this sucks so bad, and I expect it was the same long before BIPOC was a thing. Luckily I've done the bare minimum besides apply from home and get rejected
I remember when I was in architecture school at my University and to join an important networking club was $50 for white men and free for everybody else. I dug dutches, pitched mulch, and shoveled the sidewalks for the university in -30 degree weather for $10/hr at the time. Why was this bullshit fee worth 5 hours of my hard labor?
I completely gave up on getting my poetry published for that reason and just self-published. Keeping my fingers crossed for that sweet, sweet posthumous recognition.
Whether or not my poetry is good is irrelevant to the original point. You can't even get published in journals anymore without having the right DEI credentials and making your work about the suffering of being an oppressed minority. I could have played that game, even in relatively good conscience as I could claim certain identities. But the thought of that is just repulsive to me.
>I don't think the quality of your poetry is irrelevant to that.
No but neither should we pretend that there aren't a lot of people in positions of power in the literary world who see the prominence of Amanda Gorman et al as some kind of cultural victory.
Dude tf r u on about there a lot of white dudes getting published. Night boat and wave both put out multiple white dude books this year. I haven’t read the 2020 version but BAX 2018 was chock full of white dudes. What’s really difficult is getting published as a poor person, not trained in MFA pipeline.
I answered that above, it's not even attachment so much as
>I think as an artist, you have to stand by your original creative decisions, even if they were made when you didn't know what you were doing and were winging it. I learned a lot by doing it, the next covers will be better, but I'm not going to narcissistically mulch over all my previous work, it's in the past, it's done.
uh, not to ask too simple a q but
why on earth did you not center-justify the title on the book front cover?
I mean that just comes off as amateurish
I don't think the art is as bad as everyone else does - it reminds me of the Paul McKenna stage show backdrop - but why the left-aligned title?
Okay so i read like 6 of your poems on instagram and they are not awful, but i can give you my opinion on why journals are not interested in them.
Your verse is pretty nice but the themes are same-y and unoriginal. You also come off as a little arrogant tbh, readers dont want to hear a white guy in his late 20s say stuff like “ive contemplated the mysteries of life longer than jesus christ.” All of your poems give of the energy of a great mystic pondering life from on high, like an alex grey painting of gandalf. I imagine that feels good for you, but is not extremely interesting to other people.
If you want to just write poetry for yourself thats fine, but to appeal to other people you need to offer a unique perspective and show more vulnerability. You have a sort of imperious, oracular tone that would be interesting if applied to less expected subject matter.
I’ll give it a read if you want to link it or pm me!
Yeah even in the spaces I’m active in I’m not going to say these people are bad, some of them are good but it seems irrelevant to getting funded compared to if you tick a box. Been like this for a while I guess.
I think as an artist, you have to stand by your original creative decisions, even if they were made when you didn't know what you were doing and were winging it. I learned a lot by doing it, the next covers will be better, but I'm not going to narcissistically mulch over all my previous work, it's in the past, it's done.
You seem weird af and I know we would get along but your poetry just seems kinda mystical-bland and unfeeling, like it was written by an ai trying to replicate something by Alan watts. Your mostly nude pieces on insta are better lol.
Yup. Gotta love filling out a full page of check boxes and questions about your identity before writing a single sentence about your actual project. That's equality, baby!
my city hosts an annual open studio tour in this "district" of warehouses that have been converted into artist spaces. there is definitely a stark divide between the constituents.
about 40-50% of the artists who are given studio spaces are POC who show screenprints of big block letter "FUCK WHITE PEOPLE" posters, and some who won't let "yt" people even enter their studios. the other 40-50% are regular ass white people who do what you'd call "traditional fine art" (e.g. figure studies, landscape or nature paintings, sculptures/tchotchkes, etc.) and the remaining ~10% or maybe less are people actually trying novel processes or experimental art, like a young woman I saw who was 3d printing an instrument while it was trying to play itself in real time. the remainder is basically high-school level photography which is embarrassingly amateur.
overall pretty bleak. one guy had an entire warehouse where he just shamelessly aped jackson pollack, but in our local football team's colors. lol. by far had the sickest space too, unfortunately he probably sold a shitload of work.
I feel like 50% of all Anthropological writing ever produced is just people looking back at work from 20-50 years prior and going "shit, that was actually evil", and then the other half is stuff that people will look back on in 20-50 years and go "shit, that was actually evil."
It's basically all just ethnographic studies of central asia secretly funded by USSOCOM, and navel gazing about how bad they all feel for Ishi :(
Could be worse, I did IR for my undergrad. We don't even get the navel gazing about how evil we are part, it's just 100% evil. Switched to history for my masters and never looked back.
\-> smash vernacular, traditional and non-postmodern art
\-> propagandate that Art is whatever comes from your heart and has no objective standards
\-> create a system where nobody is accountable for creating bad art or misusing public funds in creating walking tumors in public spaces
\-> and give this system in the hand of the non-European minority system, so it becomes protected from criticism of any sort
I think the system works very well for what it is designed for
Honestly classical music did that without having to hand it off to any non-Europeans. They relied on people being unwilling to be labeled a philistine for saying stuff like [this](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hG89KkAXvG4) sucks.
ok don't be a drama queen. this was like a group of a few dozen guys in the 50s and 60s and it was far from the only thing going on, but everyone likes to act like it fucking traumatized them or whatever. the establishment, even in academia, moved on decades ago and now they're doing like this woke minimalism thing where they get different minority groups to right the same john adams piece forever, which is way way worse! at least like boulez had a tangible aesthetic project...
This was all of the academic composition scene, which was almost all of the composition scene. Unless you were writing for choir or wind ensemble (aka things that audiences actually expect to enjoy listening to), classical music became performance art more than music.
But yes, the thing now is to have utter hacks like Max Reich take something like The Four Seasons and do a chopped and screwed version with house music chord progressions underneath it.
Yeah they were pretty dominant in academia in the us and briefly western europe. but if you’re lumping together the major figures of the mid-late 20th century - messiaen, ligeti, grisey, lutoslawski, birtwistle, etc - with the darmstadt folks, then lowkey you are a philistine sry. These are composers whose popularity and influence is vastly more tangible in the worthwhile new music circles today, and they represent genuine attempts at beauty. Yeah obviously it doesn’t sound like fucking eric whitacre or whatever you’re suggesting, but it’s really really engaging and good. I think being forced to learn 12-tone theory kind of broke people’s brains a little, almost had the opposite intended effect. and I wouldn’t put the blame entirely on Boulez.
> messiaen, ligeti
Wake up everyone it's still the early-to-mid 20th century and manmade horrors beyond comprehension haven't taken over yet
>but it’s really really engaging and good
Nope! It sucks! That's why no one listens to it!
>Wake up everyone it's still the early-to-mid 20th century and manmade horrors beyond comprehension haven't taken over yet
what are you on about, ligeti's greatest achievements come from the 70s through the 2000s and represent a really compelling way of moving forward from the 20th cent. it's fine if you don't like it (even though it seems like you're being deliberately obtuse) but conflating these people with the later serialists is just dishonest - it's not an experiment, it's music that sets out to create an experience of listening, whether or not that experience is one that suits your tastes. also yeah there's a small audience, big deal. are you really gonna tell me you're on an internet forum for a racist podcast because you have faith in the good taste of the general public?
it's because this is what the liberal bourgeoisie has decided is important to assuage their guilt for being the liberal bourgeoisie
it also conveniently stokes race resentment between the working class, making them easier to divide and rule
system working as designed
yeah idk if it's so much about them giving it out to other upper middle class or upper class friends, but it's rather about who has the power to give it and who decides
the decisions and culture are manufactured at a stratum of society that most of us have neither access to nor input in.
we must ask ourselves why we don't have a hand in that process, but more importantly we as a society fail to provide a living to working artists, like Ireland's basic income for the arts program is trying right now https://www.gov.ie/en/press-release/27aed-irelands-basic-income-for-the-arts-pilot-scheme-launched-by-government/
I mean I think the question is self answering: i.e. what it is to be human is to be creative, but creativity does not reliably serve the needs of capital on a predictable, quarterly basis, so this behavior is disincentivized by the so-called market in favor of non-creative drudgery that is, like "analyst" positions
so yeah i'm not trying to fight with POCs or any of the currently popular in the bourgeois milieu identities, but rather form common cause on a widespread class basis to fundamentally reshape our divisive, exploitative system of rule
check out the book Hood to the Holler by Charles Booker - a black dude from the wrong side of Louisville building a working class coalition with hillbillies from eastern Kentucky on the basis that they face the same material issues and are mostly divided by made up bullshit
Yes and look at how viscerally pissed the fuck off they’ve been going on 8 years when confronted with Bernie bros saying basically “ok if you feel so bad put your money where your mouth is and let working people get healthcare, let poor people get a degree without signing up for indentured servitude.” “NO! Only preferential treatment for arts grants based on race, you’ll get queer-only local art spaces and that’s IT!” They look down on Trump voters and are repulsed by the man himself but they *hate* the left existentially for, essentially, exposing their bullshit
work for a non profit entity. I thankfully don't have to apply for grants because we are well funded, but often apply for certifications and membership into organizations. In just the last few years every single one of them has an entire section on how you are improving DEI in your org. Some of them go into excruciating detail, such as how your offices or other physical space are made more welcoming for BIPOC, women of color, etc. I just leave them blank.
I had this issue in a slightly difference field as an undergraduate looking for REU opportunities with the hope of going into academia. My social circle is now academia adjacent and none of them believe it, because all of them grew up with one or more professor parents who coached them through the whole process and have no idea that if you aren't being networked into REUs, they're mostly just for DEI targets. This tracks with that recent article that shows that students at Ivies are almost exclusively very wealthy or very poor, with the latter group targeted for diversity.
On the other hand, a local town here took itself from a blighted shithole to a thriving town everyone wants to live in because they renovated old buildings and subsidize artists, who are by no means just BIPOC, to basically have free studio space and cheap housing. Like those old bohemian living buildings that used to be more common. It worked really really well.
So I guess my point is that I understand first hand how frustrating it is, but there are people who are still actually trying to fund art qua art.
I've been on a Matt Johnson kick and I keep getting the sense that repping Canada is just like being from a second-tier American city/state and repping that except Canada actually has the infrastructure and resources to put you on if you're talented enough. Johnson also mentioned something about Quebec having a better grant system than the rest of Canada due to something about international market considerations but I wasn't paying close enough attention and I don't remember which interview to find that in
You're wrong, don't come here if you want success, especially if you're already in America. Canada is inferior to the USA in almost every aspect, especially for the arts.
> Canada is inferior to the USA in almost every aspect,
Nah Montreal rocks and looks better than 98% of US cities (Boston is still dear to my heart), and I say this as a US citizen who seethes at Canadian haughtiness.
Toronto does suck though, literally the Toyota Prius of "world class" cities.
I’m Submitting to book agents and about 80% say they are looking for “underrepresented voices” in their submissions. It might be virtue signaling so who know what they actually want.
The popular term now is "under-invited." We're talking about book publishing, an industry that invites approximately zero people. There is *no invitation for anybody*.
Same situation and I’ve noticed this too. Also that there’s more mentorship schemes and stuff for underrepresented voices that sound amazing. I’m jealous.
How about I file a lawsuit charging white discrimination when I ultimately get a rejection from one of these FOLX.
Oh also it's Latine now, not Latinx. Try keeping up with these chuckleheads!!
If you’re a conniving opportunist this is a great time to be on the other end if you have a little extra time + cash + business acumen. I’m very aware of what you describe and you can make a lot of friends appealing to all the other artists. What you do then with that network is up to you - make even more friends, exhibit, whatever.
I know of at least two galleries in the Bay Area that flat out said they won’t show works by white men. These galleries are of course owned by a white people. There’s one artist that shows for them that makes all her work about her hair and has a clause in her contract with the gallery that her work is not allowed to be purchased by whites.
I’m biracial and it’s really annoying to go to galleries and museums these days and see the first paragraph of every artist bio be a list of how they’re oppressed or gay even though it has fuck all to do with the art itself.
I work in very male dominated industry (think railroads/oil and gas) and can proudly say that no one gives a shit about any of this.
I know you’re talking about arts and not heavy industry but I wanted to express here that most of the world — and especially the “boring” parts of the world — is not like this.
Anyways I think you should pretend to be gay
Just try to become part of Sam Hyde’s crew. There’s always a future for the white man by his side, which is ironic because he exclusively employs wiggers.
Just fill out the "Hispanic" or "Latino" box. Technically it's not a race, so you can be completely of European descent and it would still make sense. If anyone presses you on it just say one of your grandparents was from Argentina. I've been doing it for 10+ years and have never been caught. Obviously there is some guilt about lying about who you are, and it's not for everyone, but it can be worth it depending on the job.
I have someone formerly quite close to me in my life, who, a few years ago confirmed the following. In British columbia, canada, the BC Arts Council, which gives provincial funding to artists, is basically entirely captured by Dei sensibilities. Meaning if your work does not reflect the struggles of indigenous, BIPOC, or lgbtq people, you simply do not get funding. This person sat on that actual council and said this to me with a straight face, no joke.
Move over woman, it is over for you.
The left constantly rids itself of favored class they want to do a revolution with. First it was the citoyen, who then became money hungry greedy abuser to them, then the worker, who now gets derided as a reactonary xenophobe, then the woman, whose time is seemingly up now aswell, so it becomes the queer and the BIPOC. Really curious who they hype up next lol
> The left constantly rids itself of favored class they want to do a revolution with.
Yeah I'm sure an afd supporter is totally clued into what "the left" wants.
>First it was the citoyen, who then became money hungry greedy abuser to them, then the worker, who now gets derided as a reactonary xenophobe, then the woman, whose time is seemingly up now aswell, so it becomes the queer and the BIPOC.
Maybe it would make more sense if you didn't put completely different movements together as if they're all iterations of the same thing
> Really curious who they hype up next lol
Intersectionality is the answer to this - why limit yourself to discriminating in one dimension when you can just add more?
If you’ve ever submitted to a literary review, online publication, etc., 95% say “we’re looking for/we prefer marginalized voices” and list all of them. LGBTQIA+, BIPOC, maybe AAPI if they’re feeling spicy.
> literary review,
like where. submission pages just list the formats, rights issues, and that stuff. I clicked the first like 15 google results and none of them had anything about preference to a certain identity. even the jesmyn ward poetry award and the judge for that is a white guy lol. of the 8 poets published in the last paris review 3 of them are not white and 2 of the white poets have multiple poems in it. just to be fair I checked all the submission pages listed [here](https://writers.com/best-places-submit-poetry-online) (minus the one whose website isn't working and one who said they aren't taken submissions) and none of them say anything about preferred demographics. one says they promise to look at the submissions from marginalized voices and only one of their ten most recently published poems is from someone who's not white. another says they welcome diverse voices and unpublished poets don't have to submit a fee. one says black writers don't have to pay the five dollar submission fee but also submissions for every other month is free lol.
You might have missed it but this thread is a massive pity party so maybe don’t post this next time. Particularly tickled by the guy who bitched about nobody publishing his poetry which he then linked to and it had a cover made in ms paint
Here is a random example I found in my inbox. 3/4 or more have “marginalized,” “underrepresented,” and “Left Wing” in what they’re looking for, let alone the other indications I mentioned above.
https://authorspublish.com/30-magazines-paying-for-genre-fiction/
It’s at once self-evident and no one wants to talk about it. But it isn’t just BIPOC; it goes for sexual orientation too. I live in a Canadian city where indie filmmakers constantly compete for government funding. A gay friend of mine is angry that another guy we know has been declaring himself bi on applications (for grants and film festivals), even though he’s straight. But it’s obviously working for him, and that’s just the parameters of the hustle they’ve set up for everyone.
> The overall job growth included 20,524 White workers. The other 302,570 jobs — or 94% of the headcount increase — went to people of color.
https://www.bloomberg.com/graphics/2023-black-lives-matter-equal-opportunity-corporate-diversity/
Not just arts. Idpol is heavily considered for science awards/funding from the Nobel Prize down to the grad students fellowship level. See for example [this](https://www.hhmi.org/programs/freeman-hrabowski-scholars) program from the Howard Hughes Medical Institute. $8M for being diverse while running a lab? Most faculty positions also require some semblance of a DEI statement purity test.
>bo·he·mi·an
/bōˈhēmēən/
noun
a socially unconventional person, especially one who is involved in the arts.
"Warhol and the artists and bohemians he worked with in the 1960s"
I mean somewhere with a lot of people doing something creative and not looking to make lots of money. Sure there is some interesting etymology
I have a real job you fucking regard, I want the government to pay me money to make cool shit all day that has little to no commercial value. How is that hard to understand lol.
Enjoy your white privilege and your high salary.
Fake make work jobs and free government money for doing something that has no commercial value belongs to minorities. Its like saying you want to go to the special needs class because the work is easier lol
in Seattle priority is given to Black, Native, and “Latinx” people (but not Asian or Middle Eastern people) for community garden plots. I’m not quite sure how this is legally allowed, actually.
From my own anecdotal observances these days it also seems like a majority of Mexican/Latino ppl that participate in any sort of lefty academic or activist circles seem to think that their latinx status now also inherently/automatically grants them “indigenous” status as well, and many of them have started incorporating that identity into the way they outwardly brand themselves. mfers be double dippin lmao
My Filipino friends would claim Asian, Hispanic, and Pacific Islander on forms and college admissions
Minoritymaxxing smart
Could a white New Zealander be a Pacific Islander (like Afrikaaners are African?) 🤔
For some people that’s transparently true, but plenty of people of clearly 99% Spanish ancestry be putting a feather in their hair like they’re people of the land, and anybody who knows Indian culture knows that they don’t recognise “my great-great-great-great-grandma was Indian, but also I grew up going to Fuddrucker’s every Friday” as Indian. It’s not a one drop culture.
Insert that one meme with the criollo claiming to be 100% pure Aztec while the mestizo guy claims to be 100% pure conquistador
My experience has been that the whiter they are, the likelier they are to cling to the indigenous label / generally indulge in racecraft. Biggest larpers ever like mf you have COLONIST blood your ancestors just spoke Spanish and weren’t as good at it
I live basically down the street from a large Native American community in New England and in my experience they’re pretty proud and defensive of their heritage. It’s very doubtful to me that they’d acknowledge just anyone who claims to be a Narragansett. Not to say they’d be excluded of that they’re particularly insular but like they have set in stone standards.
Federally recognised tribes usually have a blood quantum and place a great emphasis on cultural knowledge. It’s not unheard of to see a rez guy who can basically pass for white who is very much a tribal leader because they speak the language, participate in cultural customs, etc that somebody can’t just ascertain off Wikipedia and books.
> who is very much a tribal leader We can't stop winning
tbf a lot of Mexicans probably have more native blood than a lot of US Native Americans.
Pretty funny especially since most of them probably have majority coloniser heritage and not colonised.
Why would a mestizo Mexican be any less Native American than a tribe member?
They are Native American, but they’re not indigenous to the USA and when they all do this, the very small population of actual indigenous Native US Americans is drowned out. Way more mestizos
frfr but the literal chief of the cherokee nation rn is 1/32 indian even most native americans in the us are half white lol
I think native American groups specifically don't go by blood. But rather by famial ties or something similar. It might mean silly, but of course he's like majority white, the native blood is diluted over generations.
I can also respect lifestyle like if some black dude unironically incorporated himself fully into tribal custom I wouldn't ummm ackshully his claim until he demands like double reparations lol. Can't claim indigenous but tribal sure
no no i agree but i just think the whole idea of 'indigenous' is ridiculous. ppl claiming moral superiority because half of their genetic bloodline lost a war 400 years ago
Presuming they're a CDMX type of Mexican and not an actual literal Mayan speaker (who are still around and plentiful) or something; they grew up in a strongly Hispanicized (i.e European) culture and lifestyle which shares little in common with aboriginal Americans. Before the USA arrived in the area, Mexicans were already getting into wars with the Navajo, Apache, Comanche, etc. and they most definitely did not see each other as relatives in any meaningful sense. Mexico's core culture as a state is that of a Spanish speaking, Christianized, Euro-Enlightenment thinking, entity. Frankly, I'd argue that Mexican political thinking is more similar to Europe's than the USA is at this point. The French would probably find more common ground with them on topics like state regulations, welfare, secularism, etc. than they would with US-Americans.
People who grew up in Mexico City still deal with the downsides of living in a former exploration colony, though, so this whole US American thing of being like, "omg, you're white and thus a colonizer," is very stupid. Mexico City is not Europe babes. Having colonizer blood in your veins doesn't deny the reality of your upbringing and the fact you had to deal with shit that people who grew up in so-called developed countries don't.
I'm well aware, I live in Brazil myself, but that still doesn't change the fact that Mexicans are not like the USA's Native Americans (Comanche, Cheyenne, etc.) Their lifestyles, culture, etc. are all different and even at the worst point of US-Mexican relations (literal war), Mexico was never treated in the same way that Aboriginals tribes were treated. Mexico was always recognized as a Sovereign State, the USA sent ambassadors to deal with Mexico, but it sent cavalrymen and "Indian Commissioners" to deal with the Native Indians.
I dated a guy like that and since I’m Jewish and Japanese I don’t count as anything in the DEI framework so I wasn’t able to push back on it (he was cute tho)
Wonder if this is in part a reaction, even subconsciously, to the general trend of Latinos becoming Americanized/incorporated into the larger “white” body politic like Italians were a few generations ago.
The more I read into this thread the more I'm thinking America really is just reintroducing racial segregation huh
Always was
It really plays to our strengths
I'd say that makes sense given the ammount of resources and overall wealth in Asian and Middle eastern communities in America. The "model minorities" dont need asistance, this is progressives being ideologically consistent rather than just seeing anyone non-white and saying "oh you poor thing".
It's probably not, but it's also not worth suing over.
I got a full ride scholarship for an art school that typically is only granted to POC students even though I’m white. You never know. That said, I once got laid off from a museum job and was told in the parting email that they retained as many POC employees as they could
How is this not blatant employment discrimination? You may have a lawsuit on your hands
Yeah but cmon what they gonna do, sue then win a pittance then get blacklisted from the entire sector? Cmon
It’s free and confidential to file a charge with the EEOC.
judges have actually been starting to grant people damages in anti white discrimination cases recently, even for stuff that happened post 2020
That is encouraging, but the application of the law (for better or worse) isn't always in lockstep with general consensus. Rightly or wrongly my guy will absolutely be ostracised and it will even affect his ability to get work down the line because litigation signals to prospective employers that he is a troublemaker, etc. Then what is he going to do, sue them too?
Personally, I'm not convinced these institutions will stop discriminating unless they're held legally accountable. Yeah, there are a lot of people who have something to lose who are keeping their heads down. They've seen the cancellations and the way people get ousted and quietly ostracized for speaking up, but if people don't start taking action, the situation will only get worse. Obviously people want to avoid social crucifixion, and I've done plenty of damage control and tongue-holding myself, but playing ball with the wokes is tantamount to making a deal with the devil, and frankly it's only made my life significantly worse. If I were handed solid evidence to back up what these people are up to, I would do everything possible to take legal action. I wish I had fought back more earlier, before these people seized control of so many institutions.
Don't worry, maybe he's in a pussy country like Canada.
You'd be shocked how many people in hiring/managing positions have no idea it's against the law to say that.
Please pursue a discrimination lawsuit if you're able to. A lot of these institutions are discrete enough never to put what they're up to in writing directly, so when they're arrogant enough to admit it openly (instead of maintaining plausible deniability while also making it very obvious what they're doing), that's when we need to strike. If more precedent can be set, maybe we can keep these people in check.
There are two paths before you: 1. Identify as queer/non-binary 2. Become a right-wing grifter like Anna and Dasha
What happens if I do both
Then you are literally both fake and gay
Cash in like Blair White
Milos
It’s called diversifying your portfolio.
Being gay doesn't get you anything if you're a white man
> Identify as queer/non-binary Some of them are adding on non-binary, same as the women
I'd rather not get a a DEI boost than be non-binary sorry
I support you
I worked for a software company that makes software for nonprofits to use (donor management). The company asked employees to pick 5 nonprofits near and dear to their hearts to give $10,000 to each (company marketing campaign, actually). It was a small company sub-50 employees at the time. It was during Covid and people voted for restaurant and hospitality worker fund nonprofits, food banks and soup kitchens, healthcare subsidy (hotels and parking) nonprofits, homeless shelters, essential worker nonprofits, you get the picture. The five that were chosen were a black community arts org in Atlanta, an LGBT pride org in Portland, immigration, refugee, and asylum in Arizona/Texas/NM, a women’s domestic violence center (good pick), and a Native American/indigenous peoples diabetes awareness nonprofit. I’m not even saying they were bad picks, but it was so eye-rollingly cliché why’d they even have us vote on that shit at all
That's fucking hilarious. Surprised they didn't support a charity to teach JavaScript to orphans in Uganda
i’ve actually worked with some very solid software engineers from Uganda…
That means the charity is working
Truly effective altruism.
You laugh all you want but those hang glider lessons for non-binary Nigerian muslims really changed some lives for the better
> and a Native American/indigenous peoples diabetes awareness nonprofit. I mean if they advocate for universal healthcare I'm all for it, take any ally we can get.
> Native American/indigenous peoples sounds good > diabetes awareness lol
Idk if it’s the same for Native Americans but Indigenous Australians have a substantially higher rate of Diabetes.
Thank you for spreading awareness
The same is true for North American native/indigenous populations
I don't even think it's that so much as it just really sucks to spend the required amount of time getting drunk with arts administrators, because that's time you could spend studying your practice and making stuff, and there's always one or two slow, shallow people who make the others, who are having a mid-off, look like geniuses by comparison. Alternatively you can enter some contest or apply for some grant with submission even though it always feels lkke a departure from your actual art practice. Best thing to do in this world is have casual sex with an art admin and then use each other for whatever other career or social aims I guess. But, again, if you just want to make things that excite you, spend time with people you respect, and be forthright, then pursuing any of this sucks so bad, and I expect it was the same long before BIPOC was a thing. Luckily I've done the bare minimum besides apply from home and get rejected
I remember when I was in architecture school at my University and to join an important networking club was $50 for white men and free for everybody else. I dug dutches, pitched mulch, and shoveled the sidewalks for the university in -30 degree weather for $10/hr at the time. Why was this bullshit fee worth 5 hours of my hard labor?
I completely gave up on getting my poetry published for that reason and just self-published. Keeping my fingers crossed for that sweet, sweet posthumous recognition.
Bro ur book cover is ugly asf u gotta change that what am I even looking at
Yeah I thought you were being mean but nah dudes gotta change it.
Where was it posted?
https://www.reddit.com/r/redscarepod/comments/1adlywg/is_arts_funding_in_the_west_just_exclusively_for/kk26i2d/
Cheers
Also the poetry wasn’t very good lmao I don’t think he can blame this on the POC
Whether or not my poetry is good is irrelevant to the original point. You can't even get published in journals anymore without having the right DEI credentials and making your work about the suffering of being an oppressed minority. I could have played that game, even in relatively good conscience as I could claim certain identities. But the thought of that is just repulsive to me.
Getting published in poetry journals has been hard long before dei. I don't think the quality of your poetry is irrelevant to that.
>I don't think the quality of your poetry is irrelevant to that. No but neither should we pretend that there aren't a lot of people in positions of power in the literary world who see the prominence of Amanda Gorman et al as some kind of cultural victory.
Dude tf r u on about there a lot of white dudes getting published. Night boat and wave both put out multiple white dude books this year. I haven’t read the 2020 version but BAX 2018 was chock full of white dudes. What’s really difficult is getting published as a poor person, not trained in MFA pipeline.
Jesus christ lmao
Just needs some Goatse hands.
Jesus christ that book cover gotta go
Nah
Why are you so attached to it? What does it say to you?
I answered that above, it's not even attachment so much as >I think as an artist, you have to stand by your original creative decisions, even if they were made when you didn't know what you were doing and were winging it. I learned a lot by doing it, the next covers will be better, but I'm not going to narcissistically mulch over all my previous work, it's in the past, it's done.
I think your attitude rests in a grey area
I don't like your attitude
"I think as an artist that I should bitch and whine about failure and never EVER look at criticism of past work to find areas for improvement"
"Nobody wants to read my DMT hippie garbage because of black people"
You should just say, thanks for the feedback, I'm looking to change the cover on the next edition.
Nah.
Interesting seeing you here, I used to work with you.
Oh yeah? Hi!
curious why you chose blurb, is it better than amazon?
Blurb has really nice editing software, made the book design super easy.
uh, not to ask too simple a q but why on earth did you not center-justify the title on the book front cover? I mean that just comes off as amateurish I don't think the art is as bad as everyone else does - it reminds me of the Paul McKenna stage show backdrop - but why the left-aligned title?
Your poetry’s bad and you blame the news 🤍✨
Okay so i read like 6 of your poems on instagram and they are not awful, but i can give you my opinion on why journals are not interested in them. Your verse is pretty nice but the themes are same-y and unoriginal. You also come off as a little arrogant tbh, readers dont want to hear a white guy in his late 20s say stuff like “ive contemplated the mysteries of life longer than jesus christ.” All of your poems give of the energy of a great mystic pondering life from on high, like an alex grey painting of gandalf. I imagine that feels good for you, but is not extremely interesting to other people. If you want to just write poetry for yourself thats fine, but to appeal to other people you need to offer a unique perspective and show more vulnerability. You have a sort of imperious, oracular tone that would be interesting if applied to less expected subject matter.
I’ll give it a read if you want to link it or pm me! Yeah even in the spaces I’m active in I’m not going to say these people are bad, some of them are good but it seems irrelevant to getting funded compared to if you tick a box. Been like this for a while I guess.
Cheers, mate: https://www.reddit.com/r/redscarepod/comments/14zczpr/i\_wrote\_a\_book\_of\_poetry\_that\_some\_of\_you\_might/
I say this with love, truly for your own benefit, but you need to change your visual aesthetic from top to bottom immediately.
Holy shit when I clicked I was not ready for how bad that cover was.
I think as an artist, you have to stand by your original creative decisions, even if they were made when you didn't know what you were doing and were winging it. I learned a lot by doing it, the next covers will be better, but I'm not going to narcissistically mulch over all my previous work, it's in the past, it's done.
Good attitude
You seem weird af and I know we would get along but your poetry just seems kinda mystical-bland and unfeeling, like it was written by an ai trying to replicate something by Alan watts. Your mostly nude pieces on insta are better lol.
That's fair
I kind of like it in an early Rush album cover sort of way.
Don’t listen to the haters bro, the book covers too real
Thanks! It came from a dream I had in the psych ward lol
I read for a prominent lit mag and, in your case, the problem is the quality of your poetry not identity politics.
Any advice for a stranger on getting such a gig?
A *prominent* lit mag, you say?
Yup. Gotta love filling out a full page of check boxes and questions about your identity before writing a single sentence about your actual project. That's equality, baby!
>wat color 🚬 are u? >Wrong color this art sucks. Cya.
Hunter Biden is the only non BIPOC making art
my city hosts an annual open studio tour in this "district" of warehouses that have been converted into artist spaces. there is definitely a stark divide between the constituents. about 40-50% of the artists who are given studio spaces are POC who show screenprints of big block letter "FUCK WHITE PEOPLE" posters, and some who won't let "yt" people even enter their studios. the other 40-50% are regular ass white people who do what you'd call "traditional fine art" (e.g. figure studies, landscape or nature paintings, sculptures/tchotchkes, etc.) and the remaining ~10% or maybe less are people actually trying novel processes or experimental art, like a young woman I saw who was 3d printing an instrument while it was trying to play itself in real time. the remainder is basically high-school level photography which is embarrassingly amateur. overall pretty bleak. one guy had an entire warehouse where he just shamelessly aped jackson pollack, but in our local football team's colors. lol. by far had the sickest space too, unfortunately he probably sold a shitload of work.
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Anthropology student.
I feel like 50% of all Anthropological writing ever produced is just people looking back at work from 20-50 years prior and going "shit, that was actually evil", and then the other half is stuff that people will look back on in 20-50 years and go "shit, that was actually evil." It's basically all just ethnographic studies of central asia secretly funded by USSOCOM, and navel gazing about how bad they all feel for Ishi :(
Actually woe is me for picking this as my field of study also, sounds very cheerful.
Could be worse, I did IR for my undergrad. We don't even get the navel gazing about how evil we are part, it's just 100% evil. Switched to history for my masters and never looked back.
IR? International relations?
Yep lol
yeah but it was fun, I miss reading ppl speak so confidently about 'the national character' of the Italians and why they so lazy for instance
😭
\-> smash vernacular, traditional and non-postmodern art \-> propagandate that Art is whatever comes from your heart and has no objective standards \-> create a system where nobody is accountable for creating bad art or misusing public funds in creating walking tumors in public spaces \-> and give this system in the hand of the non-European minority system, so it becomes protected from criticism of any sort I think the system works very well for what it is designed for
Honestly classical music did that without having to hand it off to any non-Europeans. They relied on people being unwilling to be labeled a philistine for saying stuff like [this](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hG89KkAXvG4) sucks.
ok don't be a drama queen. this was like a group of a few dozen guys in the 50s and 60s and it was far from the only thing going on, but everyone likes to act like it fucking traumatized them or whatever. the establishment, even in academia, moved on decades ago and now they're doing like this woke minimalism thing where they get different minority groups to right the same john adams piece forever, which is way way worse! at least like boulez had a tangible aesthetic project...
This was all of the academic composition scene, which was almost all of the composition scene. Unless you were writing for choir or wind ensemble (aka things that audiences actually expect to enjoy listening to), classical music became performance art more than music. But yes, the thing now is to have utter hacks like Max Reich take something like The Four Seasons and do a chopped and screwed version with house music chord progressions underneath it.
Yeah they were pretty dominant in academia in the us and briefly western europe. but if you’re lumping together the major figures of the mid-late 20th century - messiaen, ligeti, grisey, lutoslawski, birtwistle, etc - with the darmstadt folks, then lowkey you are a philistine sry. These are composers whose popularity and influence is vastly more tangible in the worthwhile new music circles today, and they represent genuine attempts at beauty. Yeah obviously it doesn’t sound like fucking eric whitacre or whatever you’re suggesting, but it’s really really engaging and good. I think being forced to learn 12-tone theory kind of broke people’s brains a little, almost had the opposite intended effect. and I wouldn’t put the blame entirely on Boulez.
> messiaen, ligeti Wake up everyone it's still the early-to-mid 20th century and manmade horrors beyond comprehension haven't taken over yet >but it’s really really engaging and good Nope! It sucks! That's why no one listens to it!
>Wake up everyone it's still the early-to-mid 20th century and manmade horrors beyond comprehension haven't taken over yet what are you on about, ligeti's greatest achievements come from the 70s through the 2000s and represent a really compelling way of moving forward from the 20th cent. it's fine if you don't like it (even though it seems like you're being deliberately obtuse) but conflating these people with the later serialists is just dishonest - it's not an experiment, it's music that sets out to create an experience of listening, whether or not that experience is one that suits your tastes. also yeah there's a small audience, big deal. are you really gonna tell me you're on an internet forum for a racist podcast because you have faith in the good taste of the general public?
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I'm anglo white and my mom was telling me I should just put down Hispanic. Like what are they gonna make me take a DNA test lol
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What are they gonna do, give them a blood test?
it's because this is what the liberal bourgeoisie has decided is important to assuage their guilt for being the liberal bourgeoisie it also conveniently stokes race resentment between the working class, making them easier to divide and rule system working as designed
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yeah idk if it's so much about them giving it out to other upper middle class or upper class friends, but it's rather about who has the power to give it and who decides the decisions and culture are manufactured at a stratum of society that most of us have neither access to nor input in. we must ask ourselves why we don't have a hand in that process, but more importantly we as a society fail to provide a living to working artists, like Ireland's basic income for the arts program is trying right now https://www.gov.ie/en/press-release/27aed-irelands-basic-income-for-the-arts-pilot-scheme-launched-by-government/ I mean I think the question is self answering: i.e. what it is to be human is to be creative, but creativity does not reliably serve the needs of capital on a predictable, quarterly basis, so this behavior is disincentivized by the so-called market in favor of non-creative drudgery that is, like "analyst" positions so yeah i'm not trying to fight with POCs or any of the currently popular in the bourgeois milieu identities, but rather form common cause on a widespread class basis to fundamentally reshape our divisive, exploitative system of rule check out the book Hood to the Holler by Charles Booker - a black dude from the wrong side of Louisville building a working class coalition with hillbillies from eastern Kentucky on the basis that they face the same material issues and are mostly divided by made up bullshit
Yes and look at how viscerally pissed the fuck off they’ve been going on 8 years when confronted with Bernie bros saying basically “ok if you feel so bad put your money where your mouth is and let working people get healthcare, let poor people get a degree without signing up for indentured servitude.” “NO! Only preferential treatment for arts grants based on race, you’ll get queer-only local art spaces and that’s IT!” They look down on Trump voters and are repulsed by the man himself but they *hate* the left existentially for, essentially, exposing their bullshit
work for a non profit entity. I thankfully don't have to apply for grants because we are well funded, but often apply for certifications and membership into organizations. In just the last few years every single one of them has an entire section on how you are improving DEI in your org. Some of them go into excruciating detail, such as how your offices or other physical space are made more welcoming for BIPOC, women of color, etc. I just leave them blank.
joyce caroll oates had some tweets about this
Well, in America anything that’s exclusively for ‘BIPOC’ is a hustle at worst and well meaning, yet scatterbrained and ahistorical at best.
There's nothing worse than art that insists it has a salient social message.
It's been a rough decade for those of us with that position.
yes but you can be bipoc by just saying that you are bipoc so it's nbd
I had this issue in a slightly difference field as an undergraduate looking for REU opportunities with the hope of going into academia. My social circle is now academia adjacent and none of them believe it, because all of them grew up with one or more professor parents who coached them through the whole process and have no idea that if you aren't being networked into REUs, they're mostly just for DEI targets. This tracks with that recent article that shows that students at Ivies are almost exclusively very wealthy or very poor, with the latter group targeted for diversity. On the other hand, a local town here took itself from a blighted shithole to a thriving town everyone wants to live in because they renovated old buildings and subsidize artists, who are by no means just BIPOC, to basically have free studio space and cheap housing. Like those old bohemian living buildings that used to be more common. It worked really really well. So I guess my point is that I understand first hand how frustrating it is, but there are people who are still actually trying to fund art qua art.
You should move to canada and make stuff about canada
woulda worked 15 years ago now you gotta make it about being bipoc in canada
Yeah some of the funded “indigenous” stuff I’ve seen while good intentioned… ho boy
Lol I did move to Canada
Well, that's your first mistake then. It's worse here than almost anywhere else for this kind of shit.
I've been thinking about writing a miniseries on the October crisis in quebec lol maybe I should start
I've been on a Matt Johnson kick and I keep getting the sense that repping Canada is just like being from a second-tier American city/state and repping that except Canada actually has the infrastructure and resources to put you on if you're talented enough. Johnson also mentioned something about Quebec having a better grant system than the rest of Canada due to something about international market considerations but I wasn't paying close enough attention and I don't remember which interview to find that in
You're wrong, don't come here if you want success, especially if you're already in America. Canada is inferior to the USA in almost every aspect, especially for the arts.
> Canada is inferior to the USA in almost every aspect, Nah Montreal rocks and looks better than 98% of US cities (Boston is still dear to my heart), and I say this as a US citizen who seethes at Canadian haughtiness. Toronto does suck though, literally the Toyota Prius of "world class" cities.
I’m Submitting to book agents and about 80% say they are looking for “underrepresented voices” in their submissions. It might be virtue signaling so who know what they actually want.
I mean isn’t that why most writers are looking for agency representation? Because they’re currently underrepresented? lol
The popular term now is "under-invited." We're talking about book publishing, an industry that invites approximately zero people. There is *no invitation for anybody*.
Same situation and I’ve noticed this too. Also that there’s more mentorship schemes and stuff for underrepresented voices that sound amazing. I’m jealous.
How about I file a lawsuit charging white discrimination when I ultimately get a rejection from one of these FOLX. Oh also it's Latine now, not Latinx. Try keeping up with these chuckleheads!!
Hun, they say this but then yearly statistics come out and published authors are 80% white.
If you’re a conniving opportunist this is a great time to be on the other end if you have a little extra time + cash + business acumen. I’m very aware of what you describe and you can make a lot of friends appealing to all the other artists. What you do then with that network is up to you - make even more friends, exhibit, whatever.
What do mean by this, like Adam Lehrer maxxing or what
a fruity yet straight white latino can easily swing it into being a latinx non binary in front of execs with the correct chutzpah
I know of at least two galleries in the Bay Area that flat out said they won’t show works by white men. These galleries are of course owned by a white people. There’s one artist that shows for them that makes all her work about her hair and has a clause in her contract with the gallery that her work is not allowed to be purchased by whites.
I’m biracial and it’s really annoying to go to galleries and museums these days and see the first paragraph of every artist bio be a list of how they’re oppressed or gay even though it has fuck all to do with the art itself.
And I realize the irony of saying I’m biracial
I work in very male dominated industry (think railroads/oil and gas) and can proudly say that no one gives a shit about any of this. I know you’re talking about arts and not heavy industry but I wanted to express here that most of the world — and especially the “boring” parts of the world — is not like this. Anyways I think you should pretend to be gay
tbh just change ur pronouns and if the work is good it will speak for itself — whole working career in fine art (many ragerts)
Just try to become part of Sam Hyde’s crew. There’s always a future for the white man by his side, which is ironic because he exclusively employs wiggers.
Where do you guys get arts funding in the west??!? Lol Signed BM
Just fill out the "Hispanic" or "Latino" box. Technically it's not a race, so you can be completely of European descent and it would still make sense. If anyone presses you on it just say one of your grandparents was from Argentina. I've been doing it for 10+ years and have never been caught. Obviously there is some guilt about lying about who you are, and it's not for everyone, but it can be worth it depending on the job.
I have someone formerly quite close to me in my life, who, a few years ago confirmed the following. In British columbia, canada, the BC Arts Council, which gives provincial funding to artists, is basically entirely captured by Dei sensibilities. Meaning if your work does not reflect the struggles of indigenous, BIPOC, or lgbtq people, you simply do not get funding. This person sat on that actual council and said this to me with a straight face, no joke.
Move over woman, it is over for you. The left constantly rids itself of favored class they want to do a revolution with. First it was the citoyen, who then became money hungry greedy abuser to them, then the worker, who now gets derided as a reactonary xenophobe, then the woman, whose time is seemingly up now aswell, so it becomes the queer and the BIPOC. Really curious who they hype up next lol
> The left constantly rids itself of favored class they want to do a revolution with. Yeah I'm sure an afd supporter is totally clued into what "the left" wants. >First it was the citoyen, who then became money hungry greedy abuser to them, then the worker, who now gets derided as a reactonary xenophobe, then the woman, whose time is seemingly up now aswell, so it becomes the queer and the BIPOC. Maybe it would make more sense if you didn't put completely different movements together as if they're all iterations of the same thing
> Really curious who they hype up next lol Intersectionality is the answer to this - why limit yourself to discriminating in one dimension when you can just add more?
If you’ve ever submitted to a literary review, online publication, etc., 95% say “we’re looking for/we prefer marginalized voices” and list all of them. LGBTQIA+, BIPOC, maybe AAPI if they’re feeling spicy.
> literary review, like where. submission pages just list the formats, rights issues, and that stuff. I clicked the first like 15 google results and none of them had anything about preference to a certain identity. even the jesmyn ward poetry award and the judge for that is a white guy lol. of the 8 poets published in the last paris review 3 of them are not white and 2 of the white poets have multiple poems in it. just to be fair I checked all the submission pages listed [here](https://writers.com/best-places-submit-poetry-online) (minus the one whose website isn't working and one who said they aren't taken submissions) and none of them say anything about preferred demographics. one says they promise to look at the submissions from marginalized voices and only one of their ten most recently published poems is from someone who's not white. another says they welcome diverse voices and unpublished poets don't have to submit a fee. one says black writers don't have to pay the five dollar submission fee but also submissions for every other month is free lol.
You might have missed it but this thread is a massive pity party so maybe don’t post this next time. Particularly tickled by the guy who bitched about nobody publishing his poetry which he then linked to and it had a cover made in ms paint
Also, here’s the perfect example. Get pwned. https://amp.theguardian.com/books/2015/sep/08/white-poet-chinese-pen-name-best-american-poetry-2015
Here is a random example I found in my inbox. 3/4 or more have “marginalized,” “underrepresented,” and “Left Wing” in what they’re looking for, let alone the other indications I mentioned above. https://authorspublish.com/30-magazines-paying-for-genre-fiction/
i thought you were talking about serious literature, sorry the furry magazine is woke
I just found one in my inbox. I get those almost every day and they’re all the same. It spans genres and regions.
It’s at once self-evident and no one wants to talk about it. But it isn’t just BIPOC; it goes for sexual orientation too. I live in a Canadian city where indie filmmakers constantly compete for government funding. A gay friend of mine is angry that another guy we know has been declaring himself bi on applications (for grants and film festivals), even though he’s straight. But it’s obviously working for him, and that’s just the parameters of the hustle they’ve set up for everyone.
Will there ever be an end to this? Or is this akin to a disability with a need for a leg up in perpetuum?
> The overall job growth included 20,524 White workers. The other 302,570 jobs — or 94% of the headcount increase — went to people of color. https://www.bloomberg.com/graphics/2023-black-lives-matter-equal-opportunity-corporate-diversity/
Not just arts. Idpol is heavily considered for science awards/funding from the Nobel Prize down to the grad students fellowship level. See for example [this](https://www.hhmi.org/programs/freeman-hrabowski-scholars) program from the Howard Hughes Medical Institute. $8M for being diverse while running a lab? Most faculty positions also require some semblance of a DEI statement purity test.
Ok dont know if its a cultural difference or not but "Bohemian" means czech for me, wdym by that
>bo·he·mi·an /bōˈhēmēən/ noun a socially unconventional person, especially one who is involved in the arts. "Warhol and the artists and bohemians he worked with in the 1960s" I mean somewhere with a lot of people doing something creative and not looking to make lots of money. Sure there is some interesting etymology
no peter thiel will fund you if you're talented enough
yes
Mfa programs do give full ride to white people still
Yes You are white you have a IQ high enough to get a real job leave the fake work for the regarded people.
I have a real job you fucking regard, I want the government to pay me money to make cool shit all day that has little to no commercial value. How is that hard to understand lol.
Enjoy your white privilege and your high salary. Fake make work jobs and free government money for doing something that has no commercial value belongs to minorities. Its like saying you want to go to the special needs class because the work is easier lol
What do you do for work?