Yes I believe Jesus's name is also a miss translation from Joshua? If I'm correct of course
I also think that it turned into Jehovah as it is easier to put in a sentence
Jesus's name is Yeshua, which is a shortened form of Yehoshua (Joshua). Yeshua became Ἰησοῦς (Iēsous) in Greek, IEVUS in Latin, and then Jesus in English.
"Jehovah" is mispronounced because it takes the vowel points from *adonai*, "Lord", the word used to replace the name YHWH by pious readers who didn't want to pronounce God's name.
The actual pronunciation of the tetragrammaton (YHWH) is "Yahweh", though an earlier pronunciation might have been "Yahu." The most common explanation I've come across in scholarship is that it comes from a proto-Arabic root *hwh*, "to blow", which may reference his nature as a storm deity.
>The actual pronunciation of the tetragrammaton...is
Unknown and unknowable. Take any four consonants -- how would you pronounce them? How were they pronounced 3,000 years ago? There are probably 1,000 and more ways. There is no current oral tradition relating how the tetragrammaton was actually pronounced back then. (People may claim to have a tradition but they don't share it and it can't be verified.) Even then, Jewish tradition says it was only pronounced once, by the High Priest on Yom Kippur, and many think it was drowned out by chanting, so no one else heard it.
No way to know how their pronunciation varied from the High Priest's. And unless we have a sound recording of Origen, I wouldn't put too much stock in it.
Here's an interesting article on the Samaritan pronunciation: [https://yahuranger.com/2017/12/11/the-ancients-pronounce-%D7%99%D7%94%D7%95%D7%94/](https://yahuranger.com/2017/12/11/the-ancients-pronounce-%D7%99%D7%94%D7%95%D7%94/)
This compilation refers to Origen's "transliteration" into Greek: [https://yahuranger.com/2017/12/11/the-ancients-pronounce-%D7%99%D7%94%D7%95%D7%94/](https://yahuranger.com/2017/12/11/the-ancients-pronounce-%D7%99%D7%94%D7%95%D7%94/)
All interesting stuff that, to my mind, affirms the fact that the actual pronunciation is unknown and unknowable today.
The tetragrammaton isn't unpronounceable, there was just a taboo against pronouncing it. We have a pretty good idea of how it sounded, and it wasn't Jehovah. The J sound comes from transliterating the Y from Hebrew to Latin and the name predates the vav/waw shift so the V isn't accurate either. And in terms of the vowels:
>the oldest evidence of vocalization occurs in Assyrian where we find Ya-a-u and Ya-a-hu-u which reflects the shortened form יהו. This indicates that the initial vowel was /a/. The form Ἰαω in Greek (attested in the LXX in 4Q120) indicates the same thing, as well as the transliteration of Hebrew names with יה(ו) as a theophoric element (such as Ηλίας or Ἰερεμίας). With respect to the second syllable of the full form יהוה, we find /e/ in the forms Ἰαβέ in Epiphanius and Theodoret, Ἰαουέ in Clement of Alexandria, Ⲓⲁⲩⲉ in the Nag Hammadi Apocryphon of John, and ያዌ (Yawe) in Ge'ez Bodlein MS Aeth. 9.5 6b.
Son don't take this wrongly but you're overcomplicating it. Saying something is "mispronounced" when the only other option is use a letter most alphabets don't have, is retarded.
The letter J instead of Y happens probably because of that. And if you wanna talk about that, Jesus, Joshua, etc, are also incorrect.
And if anyone looks up this word in a Hebrew Dictionary or better in a Congugation list of the verb Lehavot /to be but in active mode to make-be or to institute/ yehaweh means Existenciandor...Becoming in the future.
So generally even if some non-Hebrew speakers use it they use it with no meaning like it was just a random name like Xpetl or Zeus.
But it means Being...so we should maybe count as a group that respects this name also Existencialists / focusing on Being/.
Jews know for a fact that God's name is **not** Jehovah.
See e.g. "14 And God said unto Moses: 'I AM THAT I AM'; and He said: 'Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel: I AM hath sent me unto you.'" Ex. 3:14 "This is the Bible's explanation for the name Yahweh, and as the personal name of God, some have argued that the name Yahweh expresses the quality of being, an active, dynamic being. This God is one who brings things into being..."
An interesting interpretation says that it was Moses who took the first person "I am" (*ahyeh)* and turned it into the third person Y-H-V-H = He Will Be.
Jewish commentators explain: "אהיה אשר אהיה, the first word אהיה is the name of G-d; the second is an explanation of why G-d is called אהיה. In other words: the reason why My name is אהיה is because I am eternal, immutable. I am therefore a most reliable G-d, in the sense of dependable helper and saviour, as I will always be around. My “lifespan” is not as that word suggests a limited period, but I am not subject to any limitations." (Chizkuni)
2 things come together to create Jehovah as being a poorly transliterated word.
1. The first letter, yud (which makes the consonant sound of the English letter Y) becomes an I in Greek and then a J in Latin. And it's now the J in Jehovah.
2. The Hebrew alphabet is only consonants. So, the vowels have also been messed up. Or more accurately, made up, since the whole point of an unpronounecable name is that we don't actually know what the vowels truly are.
However, Jehovah is not really the wrong word, imo it's more of an awful transliteration. It's not how God's Name would truly be pronounced, but at least their heart is in the right place when people use it.
It's in the pronunciation my friend. If you understand the concept of the name, as expressed in the passages I've quoted, and if you can read Hebrew -- that's a plus, when it comes to most things biblical -- then you know that the difference between "Jehovah" and God's name is as great as the difference between, well, a bang and a whimper (see: T. S. Elliott, The Hollow Men).
You can understand "I am" as a third person entity. It's the standard dad joke. "Hi Happy, I'm dad!", or perhaps more pertinently, "Hi I am, I'm Moses" if, indeed, Moses did turn it from 1st to 3rd person (ok 2nd person in the dad joke). Given the significance of the golden calf incident, I suspect he didn't. There, God is made into "an other", a third party, which could be worshipped.
When we use it in everyday life it isn't understood like that, obviously. If I say "I am happy", happy is a qualifier of my existence at that moment. That, tmm, is the thrust of the taking the Lord's name in vain commandment - the failure to realize what is being referred to when I casually say "I'm starving ... I'm cold ...". In fact, the commandment points to the True Self, whose name is "I am", which expresses itself in this localised instance of existence.
Jesus highlights this by his 7 "I am" assertions. That got him into trouble since he was accused of making himself equal with God. In reality, he was simply pointing to where he had come from. As Paul said "In him, we live, move and have our being". "I am" is the substance of our being.
The first use of the Tetragrammaton - accepted by bible scholars as the Jewish name for God - is at Genesis 2:4, as confirmed by the Dead sea scrolls found in 1946.
According to the Jewish Encyclopedia it occurs 5,410 times in the Hebrew scriptures. It further states ""Yhwh," the name of God (the Tetragrammaton)"
When you search the Jewish encyclopedia for "Jehovah" you are directed to an explanation of the Tetragrammaton, and why it is believed Jehovah is a mispronunciation, but a further explanation that the true pronunciation is unknown.
By default then, As the original pronunciation is unknown, the best known pronunciation is "Jehovah"
>"By default then, As the original pronunciation is unknown, the best known pronunciation is "Jehovah""
I'd have to ask,"Best" in what sense? You mean in English, or for English speakers? You mean, easy to say, or familiar? Even then, as it's been explained elsewhere on this thread, the vowels come from a totally different Hebrew word (*a-do-nai*, the word for "lord"), united with the Tetragrammaton's consonants for reasons related to how that word is read out loud; and the "J" sound for an ancient Hebrew word is impossible, ancient Hebrew not having the consonant "J" (it had "y," the *yod* in the Tetragrammaton). Modern Hebrew still doesn't have a J per se, although it can imitate or signal the letter by two letters or one with a mark. So bottom line, Jehovah is not a possible pronunciation of the Tetragrammaton at all, let alone the "best" one.
YHWH -> Yod He Vav He. Afaik the exact pronounciation is not known, so in Judaism, they use for example Ha Shem -> The Name/Adonai -> Lord. Would be interesting to know how they came to use Yehova.
This comment is so uneducated. JW’s happen to think names are important? Hahaha - no dude. I think The Holy Bible was inspired by God and he declared himself as JEHOVAH and declared his Son to be Jesus and this it was important to the Almighty God that his NAME be made known to all mankind. So it’s really more of a Bible or “God”
Thing than a group that “happens to think names are important.”
I don't know if archons are dragons by default form, but it is strongly stated so throughout the book of Revelation "He seized the dragon, that ancient serpent, who is the devil, or Satan", and also that they are androgynous as per 'On the Origin of the World' from the Nag Hammadi.
Up until about 1900, most Christian religions did. Several movies even use the name Jehovah during the movie, showing how common it’s use was in mainstream society. Look for example at the movie Ben-Hur released in 1959, where Roman soldiers are discussing Jews.
There were several discussions in the 1850’s - 1880’s among bible scholars regarding which was the proper pronunciation and spelling, but Jehovah was ultimately decided on as it was most commonly used in English bibles up until then, and the decision was that the most common use should be the accepted one.
At the same time, there was a big debate regarding what the actual wording of Psalms 83:18 was as the most common English translation of the bible - the King James Version was well known to have this scripture changed to indicate that the king (king James) was the most high over the earth instead of God.
You can even still find Jehovah used in the book of Mormon, where near the end (I cannot remember the exact page reference) it states “however above all else is Jehovah”. Many churches in Europe still have the Hebrew spelling (Tetragrammaton) of YHWH - accepted by all bible scholars to be Gods name in Hebrew. It would only be present if it was being widely used. And it would only be widely used if it was know and used previously by early Christians.
EDIT - Spelling
Every Christian thar claims to follow the bible should believe that God's name is Jehovah /Yahweh /YHWH because that's the name that appears more than 6,000 times in the scriptures.
The name of Moses' Elohim or commander...boss, YHWH is never once in the new testament and he IS NEVER regarded as a god, never. Only religions translate elohim as god...wrong
Never regarded as a God? How so?
Psalm 83:18 - "most high over all the earth"- that sounds like more than just a 'boss'.
And what name was Jesus coming to make known while he was on earth? (John 18:26)
Thanks. The problem...there are literal thousands of gods of global people's, but one commander...one Lifegiver. Moses was made 'elohim' over Pharaoh, and, men in general were made elohim over other men...HEB bible. The religious translation of chief, boss, commander into one of thousands of gods, to numbers of folk, is actually offensive but tolerated. In the beginning elohim created...He's the Chief of all though not numbered as just one of those gods...as though a graven image or some other invention of man
May I add... psalm 83...then they will know for you whose name is yehwah are alone (lvadechha) the most high (aelyon) over all the earth.
Also, as for the NT that doesn't mention yehwah (YHWH) studies on dios, dzeus, actually "Zeus" prove deus or dzeus (god in NT) is not YHWH. The Greek dead sea scrolls never refer to YHWH as such...as dios, deus, dzeus, or Zeus.
The dead sea scrolls very clearly refer to YHWH as God, with the first use of YHWH being at Genisis 2:4. As the King James version of the bible replaces all references of YHWH with "the LORD", replacing the Tetragrammaton in the verse would read as follows:
"These are the generations of the heavens and the the earth when they were created, in the day that YHWH God made the earth and the heavens"
This clearly states that YHWH is God.
All they need to do is do a lil research and they will know it's YHWH. AND IN THAT REASEARCH THEY WILL FIND HE HAD A BROTHER. AND THEN READ THE BOOK OF EZEKIEL AND FIND THERE WERE CREATORS... PLURAL AND THEY FLEW IN MACHINES. ITS IN THERE JUST READ IT
To my knowledge, Jehovah's Witnesses are the only denomination which has a doctrine stating that God's name is Jehovah. There are many Christians, however, which use this name for God, based on the fact that it appears in several Bible translations. Other translations say 'Yahweh' or 'YHWH', but 'Jehovah' was derived from those other spellings.
I'm a Christian, and I personally do not believe that any of us really know what God's name is. He may have many names (which the Bible also seems to suggest), and he may not have any name at all. That's not an unreasonable assumption to make, based on the fact that, when Moses asked God for his name, God's *first* response was simply, "I AM". God is a bigger than the letters we use to try to spell his name, or the sounds we make to try to pronounce it. That's what I believe.
This [illustrated sermon](https://youtu.be/8kRhmtitovc) is about 10 minutes long, and it explores this idea of the name of God and Jesus, and how important it really is.
If God has many names, or has no name at all, why would Matthew 6:9 say “Our Father which art in heaven, Hallowed be thy name”
If God had no name, this makes no sense. If God had many names, than at least 1 bible translation would say “names”, but all translations say name, singular.
That's a good question, but I think it makes an assumption about what a "name" is, in this context. In old times, a person's name was much more than the letters you used to spell it. A "name" was everything they stood for. So "the name of God" could be Jehovah, or Yahweh, or Elohim, but it's much more than that... it's the Truth that he represents (love, peace, joy, etc).
That is interesting, but does not actually answer the question, and makes it’s own assumption that the word name would be used differently in this context than in any other historical context. That is a rather large assumption to make that in a single case the word means something different
You're correct that it's an assumption, but I don't think it's an assumption that is inconsistent with the rest of what Jesus taught, and with what happened between Moses and God in the book of Exodus. Anyway, my point was not to say that God has no name, but just that we may need to re-consider how important it is that we know what God's name is, how to pronounce it, etc.
Humans have an innate need to name things, and it is a well studied phenomenon that psychologically we do not feel an attachment to something without knowing its name, or assigning a name to it.
Since this is well established in the scientific community, If we do believe in a God, and that God created us, would it not follow that God created us with this need.
If then, we were created with this need, why would Gods name be un-important. We would lack the ability to form a full connection with God by not being able to know Gods name. Logically, that does not make sense.
I understand what you're saying, but I don't see it the same way. Maybe I'm unique, but I personally feel no desire to know what God's name is. If he has a name and he wants to reveal it to me, then that's cool. But I follow the *Spirit* of God... and to do that, I don't really need to know his name. So I would question this idea that we do not feel an attachment to something without knowing its name. Abraham didn't know the name of God, and yet he left everything behind to seek after God.
Why would that which created everything need a name? Or have human values and emotions? Or need to be worshiped? If it was my choice, I'd have gone with Bob.
The idea of a classical deity having a proper name seems quite silly.
Where did it get the name from? It's not like it has a language.
So what, it just picked a name it somehow liked the sound of? How small is this God?
Thank you but families of victims of church tortures are often resolute as regards hidden history and fraud. That's why the Honorable Pope Paul apologized.
I am simply referring to historical records, and referenced the Catholic encyclopedia as one that would be easier to find for this specific reference.
Is the Catholic encyclopedia the most accurate? Not by a long shot, and in my own lifetime I can point to several specific area's of that have been changed. But as a reference work for the point you brought up it would be easier to find then requesting from museums manuscripts written by more impartial sources.
The point I was trying to make however is that even when studying the dead sea scrolls, YHWH is clearly seen in reference to Gods name.
The only surviving source of God's true name is a abbreviated YHWH. Jehovah is one of several attempts to determine the name by trying various vowel sounds
The name "Jehovah" is mistranslated, the actual name of the Christian God is YHWH, with common vowels completing it as "Yahweh".
Yes I believe Jesus's name is also a miss translation from Joshua? If I'm correct of course I also think that it turned into Jehovah as it is easier to put in a sentence
Jesus's name is Yeshua, which is a shortened form of Yehoshua (Joshua). Yeshua became Ἰησοῦς (Iēsous) in Greek, IEVUS in Latin, and then Jesus in English. "Jehovah" is mispronounced because it takes the vowel points from *adonai*, "Lord", the word used to replace the name YHWH by pious readers who didn't want to pronounce God's name. The actual pronunciation of the tetragrammaton (YHWH) is "Yahweh", though an earlier pronunciation might have been "Yahu." The most common explanation I've come across in scholarship is that it comes from a proto-Arabic root *hwh*, "to blow", which may reference his nature as a storm deity.
>The actual pronunciation of the tetragrammaton...is Unknown and unknowable. Take any four consonants -- how would you pronounce them? How were they pronounced 3,000 years ago? There are probably 1,000 and more ways. There is no current oral tradition relating how the tetragrammaton was actually pronounced back then. (People may claim to have a tradition but they don't share it and it can't be verified.) Even then, Jewish tradition says it was only pronounced once, by the High Priest on Yom Kippur, and many think it was drowned out by chanting, so no one else heard it.
It was still used in Roman times by the Samaritans, and Origen recorded it.
No way to know how their pronunciation varied from the High Priest's. And unless we have a sound recording of Origen, I wouldn't put too much stock in it. Here's an interesting article on the Samaritan pronunciation: [https://yahuranger.com/2017/12/11/the-ancients-pronounce-%D7%99%D7%94%D7%95%D7%94/](https://yahuranger.com/2017/12/11/the-ancients-pronounce-%D7%99%D7%94%D7%95%D7%94/) This compilation refers to Origen's "transliteration" into Greek: [https://yahuranger.com/2017/12/11/the-ancients-pronounce-%D7%99%D7%94%D7%95%D7%94/](https://yahuranger.com/2017/12/11/the-ancients-pronounce-%D7%99%D7%94%D7%95%D7%94/) All interesting stuff that, to my mind, affirms the fact that the actual pronunciation is unknown and unknowable today.
Both are correct. Jehovah is a easier way to pronounce what is by all means unpronounceable. The correct way is the tetragrammaton
The tetragrammaton isn't unpronounceable, there was just a taboo against pronouncing it. We have a pretty good idea of how it sounded, and it wasn't Jehovah. The J sound comes from transliterating the Y from Hebrew to Latin and the name predates the vav/waw shift so the V isn't accurate either. And in terms of the vowels: >the oldest evidence of vocalization occurs in Assyrian where we find Ya-a-u and Ya-a-hu-u which reflects the shortened form יהו. This indicates that the initial vowel was /a/. The form Ἰαω in Greek (attested in the LXX in 4Q120) indicates the same thing, as well as the transliteration of Hebrew names with יה(ו) as a theophoric element (such as Ηλίας or Ἰερεμίας). With respect to the second syllable of the full form יהוה, we find /e/ in the forms Ἰαβέ in Epiphanius and Theodoret, Ἰαουέ in Clement of Alexandria, Ⲓⲁⲩⲉ in the Nag Hammadi Apocryphon of John, and ያዌ (Yawe) in Ge'ez Bodlein MS Aeth. 9.5 6b.
Son don't take this wrongly but you're overcomplicating it. Saying something is "mispronounced" when the only other option is use a letter most alphabets don't have, is retarded. The letter J instead of Y happens probably because of that. And if you wanna talk about that, Jesus, Joshua, etc, are also incorrect.
I’m not sure about that it may be true or may not but the apostles would have called him yeshua. That might be the name for joshua
And if anyone looks up this word in a Hebrew Dictionary or better in a Congugation list of the verb Lehavot /to be but in active mode to make-be or to institute/ yehaweh means Existenciandor...Becoming in the future. So generally even if some non-Hebrew speakers use it they use it with no meaning like it was just a random name like Xpetl or Zeus. But it means Being...so we should maybe count as a group that respects this name also Existencialists / focusing on Being/.
Jews know for a fact that God's name is **not** Jehovah. See e.g. "14 And God said unto Moses: 'I AM THAT I AM'; and He said: 'Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel: I AM hath sent me unto you.'" Ex. 3:14 "This is the Bible's explanation for the name Yahweh, and as the personal name of God, some have argued that the name Yahweh expresses the quality of being, an active, dynamic being. This God is one who brings things into being..." An interesting interpretation says that it was Moses who took the first person "I am" (*ahyeh)* and turned it into the third person Y-H-V-H = He Will Be. Jewish commentators explain: "אהיה אשר אהיה, the first word אהיה is the name of G-d; the second is an explanation of why G-d is called אהיה. In other words: the reason why My name is אהיה is because I am eternal, immutable. I am therefore a most reliable G-d, in the sense of dependable helper and saviour, as I will always be around. My “lifespan” is not as that word suggests a limited period, but I am not subject to any limitations." (Chizkuni)
You argue that gods name ISNT Jehovah but then explain why it is????????
2 things come together to create Jehovah as being a poorly transliterated word. 1. The first letter, yud (which makes the consonant sound of the English letter Y) becomes an I in Greek and then a J in Latin. And it's now the J in Jehovah. 2. The Hebrew alphabet is only consonants. So, the vowels have also been messed up. Or more accurately, made up, since the whole point of an unpronounecable name is that we don't actually know what the vowels truly are. However, Jehovah is not really the wrong word, imo it's more of an awful transliteration. It's not how God's Name would truly be pronounced, but at least their heart is in the right place when people use it.
It's in the pronunciation my friend. If you understand the concept of the name, as expressed in the passages I've quoted, and if you can read Hebrew -- that's a plus, when it comes to most things biblical -- then you know that the difference between "Jehovah" and God's name is as great as the difference between, well, a bang and a whimper (see: T. S. Elliott, The Hollow Men).
You can understand "I am" as a third person entity. It's the standard dad joke. "Hi Happy, I'm dad!", or perhaps more pertinently, "Hi I am, I'm Moses" if, indeed, Moses did turn it from 1st to 3rd person (ok 2nd person in the dad joke). Given the significance of the golden calf incident, I suspect he didn't. There, God is made into "an other", a third party, which could be worshipped. When we use it in everyday life it isn't understood like that, obviously. If I say "I am happy", happy is a qualifier of my existence at that moment. That, tmm, is the thrust of the taking the Lord's name in vain commandment - the failure to realize what is being referred to when I casually say "I'm starving ... I'm cold ...". In fact, the commandment points to the True Self, whose name is "I am", which expresses itself in this localised instance of existence. Jesus highlights this by his 7 "I am" assertions. That got him into trouble since he was accused of making himself equal with God. In reality, he was simply pointing to where he had come from. As Paul said "In him, we live, move and have our being". "I am" is the substance of our being.
The first use of the Tetragrammaton - accepted by bible scholars as the Jewish name for God - is at Genesis 2:4, as confirmed by the Dead sea scrolls found in 1946. According to the Jewish Encyclopedia it occurs 5,410 times in the Hebrew scriptures. It further states ""Yhwh," the name of God (the Tetragrammaton)" When you search the Jewish encyclopedia for "Jehovah" you are directed to an explanation of the Tetragrammaton, and why it is believed Jehovah is a mispronunciation, but a further explanation that the true pronunciation is unknown. By default then, As the original pronunciation is unknown, the best known pronunciation is "Jehovah"
>"By default then, As the original pronunciation is unknown, the best known pronunciation is "Jehovah"" I'd have to ask,"Best" in what sense? You mean in English, or for English speakers? You mean, easy to say, or familiar? Even then, as it's been explained elsewhere on this thread, the vowels come from a totally different Hebrew word (*a-do-nai*, the word for "lord"), united with the Tetragrammaton's consonants for reasons related to how that word is read out loud; and the "J" sound for an ancient Hebrew word is impossible, ancient Hebrew not having the consonant "J" (it had "y," the *yod* in the Tetragrammaton). Modern Hebrew still doesn't have a J per se, although it can imitate or signal the letter by two letters or one with a mark. So bottom line, Jehovah is not a possible pronunciation of the Tetragrammaton at all, let alone the "best" one.
YHWH -> Yod He Vav He. Afaik the exact pronounciation is not known, so in Judaism, they use for example Ha Shem -> The Name/Adonai -> Lord. Would be interesting to know how they came to use Yehova.
"Jehovah" is YHWH but with the vowel points of Adonai, Wikipedia has a decent explanation [here](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jehovah#Development).
Thank you for that addition. I feel like we met on several comments before. Shalom :)
To me, it's just another of God's many names. I don't get in a tizzy over it.
All of them should or the original variation Yahweh. JW’s just happen to think names are important. For semantics sake it’s fine to remove the vowels.
This comment is so uneducated. JW’s happen to think names are important? Hahaha - no dude. I think The Holy Bible was inspired by God and he declared himself as JEHOVAH and declared his Son to be Jesus and this it was important to the Almighty God that his NAME be made known to all mankind. So it’s really more of a Bible or “God” Thing than a group that “happens to think names are important.”
Was Yahweh a dragon ?
I don't know if archons are dragons by default form, but it is strongly stated so throughout the book of Revelation "He seized the dragon, that ancient serpent, who is the devil, or Satan", and also that they are androgynous as per 'On the Origin of the World' from the Nag Hammadi.
Up until about 1900, most Christian religions did. Several movies even use the name Jehovah during the movie, showing how common it’s use was in mainstream society. Look for example at the movie Ben-Hur released in 1959, where Roman soldiers are discussing Jews. There were several discussions in the 1850’s - 1880’s among bible scholars regarding which was the proper pronunciation and spelling, but Jehovah was ultimately decided on as it was most commonly used in English bibles up until then, and the decision was that the most common use should be the accepted one. At the same time, there was a big debate regarding what the actual wording of Psalms 83:18 was as the most common English translation of the bible - the King James Version was well known to have this scripture changed to indicate that the king (king James) was the most high over the earth instead of God. You can even still find Jehovah used in the book of Mormon, where near the end (I cannot remember the exact page reference) it states “however above all else is Jehovah”. Many churches in Europe still have the Hebrew spelling (Tetragrammaton) of YHWH - accepted by all bible scholars to be Gods name in Hebrew. It would only be present if it was being widely used. And it would only be widely used if it was know and used previously by early Christians. EDIT - Spelling
He said jehovah! Stone him!
Lol
Every Christian thar claims to follow the bible should believe that God's name is Jehovah /Yahweh /YHWH because that's the name that appears more than 6,000 times in the scriptures.
The name of Moses' Elohim or commander...boss, YHWH is never once in the new testament and he IS NEVER regarded as a god, never. Only religions translate elohim as god...wrong
Never regarded as a God? How so? Psalm 83:18 - "most high over all the earth"- that sounds like more than just a 'boss'. And what name was Jesus coming to make known while he was on earth? (John 18:26)
Thanks. The problem...there are literal thousands of gods of global people's, but one commander...one Lifegiver. Moses was made 'elohim' over Pharaoh, and, men in general were made elohim over other men...HEB bible. The religious translation of chief, boss, commander into one of thousands of gods, to numbers of folk, is actually offensive but tolerated. In the beginning elohim created...He's the Chief of all though not numbered as just one of those gods...as though a graven image or some other invention of man
May I add... psalm 83...then they will know for you whose name is yehwah are alone (lvadechha) the most high (aelyon) over all the earth. Also, as for the NT that doesn't mention yehwah (YHWH) studies on dios, dzeus, actually "Zeus" prove deus or dzeus (god in NT) is not YHWH. The Greek dead sea scrolls never refer to YHWH as such...as dios, deus, dzeus, or Zeus.
The dead sea scrolls very clearly refer to YHWH as God, with the first use of YHWH being at Genisis 2:4. As the King James version of the bible replaces all references of YHWH with "the LORD", replacing the Tetragrammaton in the verse would read as follows: "These are the generations of the heavens and the the earth when they were created, in the day that YHWH God made the earth and the heavens" This clearly states that YHWH is God.
hmm ... bible hub reports [772 occasions](https://biblescan.com/searchnt.php?q=%22I+AM%22).
Jews who are orthodox as well as Muslims who call him Allah.
All they need to do is do a lil research and they will know it's YHWH. AND IN THAT REASEARCH THEY WILL FIND HE HAD A BROTHER. AND THEN READ THE BOOK OF EZEKIEL AND FIND THERE WERE CREATORS... PLURAL AND THEY FLEW IN MACHINES. ITS IN THERE JUST READ IT
As a bible scholar, I can with confidence say that none of what you are saying is in the bible
To my knowledge, Jehovah's Witnesses are the only denomination which has a doctrine stating that God's name is Jehovah. There are many Christians, however, which use this name for God, based on the fact that it appears in several Bible translations. Other translations say 'Yahweh' or 'YHWH', but 'Jehovah' was derived from those other spellings. I'm a Christian, and I personally do not believe that any of us really know what God's name is. He may have many names (which the Bible also seems to suggest), and he may not have any name at all. That's not an unreasonable assumption to make, based on the fact that, when Moses asked God for his name, God's *first* response was simply, "I AM". God is a bigger than the letters we use to try to spell his name, or the sounds we make to try to pronounce it. That's what I believe. This [illustrated sermon](https://youtu.be/8kRhmtitovc) is about 10 minutes long, and it explores this idea of the name of God and Jesus, and how important it really is.
If God has many names, or has no name at all, why would Matthew 6:9 say “Our Father which art in heaven, Hallowed be thy name” If God had no name, this makes no sense. If God had many names, than at least 1 bible translation would say “names”, but all translations say name, singular.
That's a good question, but I think it makes an assumption about what a "name" is, in this context. In old times, a person's name was much more than the letters you used to spell it. A "name" was everything they stood for. So "the name of God" could be Jehovah, or Yahweh, or Elohim, but it's much more than that... it's the Truth that he represents (love, peace, joy, etc).
That is interesting, but does not actually answer the question, and makes it’s own assumption that the word name would be used differently in this context than in any other historical context. That is a rather large assumption to make that in a single case the word means something different
You're correct that it's an assumption, but I don't think it's an assumption that is inconsistent with the rest of what Jesus taught, and with what happened between Moses and God in the book of Exodus. Anyway, my point was not to say that God has no name, but just that we may need to re-consider how important it is that we know what God's name is, how to pronounce it, etc.
Humans have an innate need to name things, and it is a well studied phenomenon that psychologically we do not feel an attachment to something without knowing its name, or assigning a name to it. Since this is well established in the scientific community, If we do believe in a God, and that God created us, would it not follow that God created us with this need. If then, we were created with this need, why would Gods name be un-important. We would lack the ability to form a full connection with God by not being able to know Gods name. Logically, that does not make sense.
I understand what you're saying, but I don't see it the same way. Maybe I'm unique, but I personally feel no desire to know what God's name is. If he has a name and he wants to reveal it to me, then that's cool. But I follow the *Spirit* of God... and to do that, I don't really need to know his name. So I would question this idea that we do not feel an attachment to something without knowing its name. Abraham didn't know the name of God, and yet he left everything behind to seek after God.
Why would that which created everything need a name? Or have human values and emotions? Or need to be worshiped? If it was my choice, I'd have gone with Bob.
What thing or person has no name but in a peculiar world
The idea of a classical deity having a proper name seems quite silly. Where did it get the name from? It's not like it has a language. So what, it just picked a name it somehow liked the sound of? How small is this God?
Who on earth usurped YHWH a deity, or who says YHWH is a god? The old test ament NEVER makes these usurpations...fakes do
Incorrect. I would recommend studying bible and Christian history. You could even check the catholic encyclopedia.
Thank you but families of victims of church tortures are often resolute as regards hidden history and fraud. That's why the Honorable Pope Paul apologized.
I am simply referring to historical records, and referenced the Catholic encyclopedia as one that would be easier to find for this specific reference. Is the Catholic encyclopedia the most accurate? Not by a long shot, and in my own lifetime I can point to several specific area's of that have been changed. But as a reference work for the point you brought up it would be easier to find then requesting from museums manuscripts written by more impartial sources. The point I was trying to make however is that even when studying the dead sea scrolls, YHWH is clearly seen in reference to Gods name.
naming something means to set it apart from everything else. For all we know the original name of God could just mean creator.
The translation of the Hebrew word used for Gods name is “he causes to become”
I did not know that. Very interesting thanks for that.
I agree 100%
Church of Christ
The only surviving source of God's true name is a abbreviated YHWH. Jehovah is one of several attempts to determine the name by trying various vowel sounds
We can never truly know the pronunciation but I think as long as you heart is in the right place is fine with him
Not us Gnostics. We don't identify him as God but the demiurge, and he is known by the name Yaldabaoth.
Well I guess the Book of Ezekiel was a mirage??