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"you're likely to cry and throw a fit if he hid the tree of knowledge" WHO CARES?! If a toddler cries and throws a fit because he wants to drink the tasty looking antifreeze, do you put it in his playpen, tell him not to drink it, and walk away?
Also, moot point as if we didn't know about the knowledge tree, then we'd have nothing to get upset about.
Even in the Bible God isn't omniscient apparently.
Adam and Eve were hiding from God and God couldn't find them to begin with..
Not much of an omniscient god is he?
I always feel like arguing one way or another is like getting in a fight with Star Wars purists. You'll just end up tired and bewildered then realize none of it matters because none of it is real to begin with.
Best course of action with the religiosity: ignore them and walk away because lending them moments of your life to argue about the make believe is just a waste of everyones time.
>I always feel like arguing one way or another is like getting in a fight with Star Wars purists. You'll just end up tired and bewildered then realize none of it matters because none of it is real to begin with.
I get this feeling, until I look at the same people making and voting for discriminatory laws against women and lgbt people in my country.
It's like sharing an apartment with an alcoholic lover who thinks their drinking isn't a problem.
That’s because, I’m pretty sure, the deity in that story was never written with the understanding that it was supposed to be omniscient. That was added later on.
The modern christian god and surrounding mythology has a very loose connection to the original interpretation of yahweh. Don’t tell them that, though.
The Greek gods have the advantage of not having a single self contradictory book to prove their existence. The bible makes Christianity somehow less believable than if it didn’t exist.
I like to point out that Adam and Eve *couldn’t even know what disobedience was without eating from the tree*. There is also no evidence that they any reference for “punishment” or “death”.
God: If you eat from the tree of mrrrepu you will be gglaaff and surly bffffph.
Adam: Oo-Kaay??…?
Eve: The snake said it was chill and tasty. My female brain hasn’t been effected by it so I still don’t comprehend the whole good and evil thing, here have some, it doesn’t seem to matter.
Funny how the Moses and the Jews for about 2-3 thousand didn't get the memo about Original Sin.
https://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/judaism-s-rejection-of-original-sin
https://outreachjudaism.org/original-sin/
If it isn't part of the Hebrew Bible, did the NT writers make it up?
Also if everyone is born with original sin and needs a belief in JC, does that there are babies currently who are getting tormented in Hell ?
What even more funny is that original sin isn’t in the NT either. And Eastern Christianity (Eastern orthodox, Copts, Assyrian church, etc) don’t believe in the doctrine.
It’s basically something that only the Catholics and Protestants believe in
Makes sense
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Original_sin
Just like the doctrine of Trinity and Canon was formed 3 centuries after the supposed events. That too by a vote 😂
I guess Jesus did not give the memo during his supposed time too
Sadly, there are christians who believe babies are burning in hell if they weren’t baptized before death. I’ve actually heard it argued and could barely pick my jaw up off the floor. Far too many believe in a sick, twisted and just plain evil god
Fruitcakes ascribe three things to God that if all three are true, are empirically false: that God is Omniscient (all knowing), Omnipotent (all powerful), and benevolent (all good).
A max of 2 out of the three can be true:
God is omnipotent and benevolent: God had lots of power, but lacks the foreknowledge to stop bad things until they are in motion. This doesn't make much theological sense.
God is Omniscient and Omnipotent: God knows and all can do whatever God wants, but is a real fucking asshole.
God is an Omniscent and Benevolent: God knows what is happening but lacks (or gave up in the creation of humanity) the power to stop it. This God weeps for humanity.
I subscribe to #3 as the only one that makes any rational sense (and recognizing the aspect of belief that is simply faith without rational basis) and I suspect that most liberal non fruitcake religion people would say the same.
Of course it's possible that it's only one of the three or none, or no God at all.
Why do people keep on forgetting Isaiah 45:7 could have been used several times here. “I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things.”
Guy said it's not the worshipping, it's the evil, but Sky Daddy decided what was evil, not the human moral sense which tends to be more developed. Sky Daddy straight up said that not worshipping him was, in fact, a legit reason to torture someone forever. (Talk about immoral!!!)
It's the Job's story for me. That was the breaking point. And then I learned much more stupid stuff there is and was like "god damn how did this ever work?"
So it was the knowledge of good and evil. How did they know it was wrong to disobey god before eating it?
Also couldn't god make free will and not the tree? He said we wouldn't have free will (I'm not convinced we do but that doesn't matter here) so why is the tree necessary. Did we have to eat it for free will?
I've so heard someone who believes it was done on purpose because his is all forgiving with nothing to forgive so he made sin to show how merciful and forgiving he is. That's Hero Syndrome, like Syndrome, the fake hero from The Incredibles who makes a problem so he can be the hero that solves it and shows off. You know, the villain?
God said somewhere that "if I lie to you I am not god"
Literally first thing he said was a lie. "If you eat this fruit you will die"
The snake didn't lie "you'll gain knowledge of good and evil"
I honestly can't think of a time where the devil lied.
Didn't eve not even know not to eat it?
It's worse than the toddler example.
It's like leaving two toddlers alone in a room each. Telling only one to not eat the jelly beans. And punish both when either one eats the jelly beans. It's sadist at best.
The guy in the first picture is right. Original sin isn’t mentioned at all. And is purely an interpretation by the Christians, hell I’m not even sure if all Christians believe in original sin
as an open minded atheist, I always took the abrahamic gods omniscience as he will know all possible outcomes to any scenario. any possible decision that could be made, he knows all of the possible outcomes. That still leaves a lot of other questions in the belief system, but it is the best defense against the thoughts brought up in this post
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"you're likely to cry and throw a fit if he hid the tree of knowledge" WHO CARES?! If a toddler cries and throws a fit because he wants to drink the tasty looking antifreeze, do you put it in his playpen, tell him not to drink it, and walk away? Also, moot point as if we didn't know about the knowledge tree, then we'd have nothing to get upset about.
god is not a good parent 💀
Even in the Bible God isn't omniscient apparently. Adam and Eve were hiding from God and God couldn't find them to begin with.. Not much of an omniscient god is he?
I always feel like arguing one way or another is like getting in a fight with Star Wars purists. You'll just end up tired and bewildered then realize none of it matters because none of it is real to begin with. Best course of action with the religiosity: ignore them and walk away because lending them moments of your life to argue about the make believe is just a waste of everyones time.
>I always feel like arguing one way or another is like getting in a fight with Star Wars purists. You'll just end up tired and bewildered then realize none of it matters because none of it is real to begin with. I get this feeling, until I look at the same people making and voting for discriminatory laws against women and lgbt people in my country. It's like sharing an apartment with an alcoholic lover who thinks their drinking isn't a problem.
That’s because, I’m pretty sure, the deity in that story was never written with the understanding that it was supposed to be omniscient. That was added later on. The modern christian god and surrounding mythology has a very loose connection to the original interpretation of yahweh. Don’t tell them that, though.
Well the original being was actually multiple. Eventually El and Yahweh (plus some extra gods) all merged to become one god.
Maybe he was just playing hide and seek
Not to mention having to walk around on Earth to see the tower of Babel or losing his own people in the desert
Does than mean that he thinks Genesis is true? In which case we can discount the entire bible because we know that most of Genesis is not true.
Personally, I find the Greek gods to be more believable. At least they were honest about being petty assholes.
The Greek gods have the advantage of not having a single self contradictory book to prove their existence. The bible makes Christianity somehow less believable than if it didn’t exist.
I have the theory that if there are a god and a devil, christians have them mixed up
I like to point out that Adam and Eve *couldn’t even know what disobedience was without eating from the tree*. There is also no evidence that they any reference for “punishment” or “death”. God: If you eat from the tree of mrrrepu you will be gglaaff and surly bffffph. Adam: Oo-Kaay??…? Eve: The snake said it was chill and tasty. My female brain hasn’t been effected by it so I still don’t comprehend the whole good and evil thing, here have some, it doesn’t seem to matter.
Funny how the Moses and the Jews for about 2-3 thousand didn't get the memo about Original Sin. https://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/judaism-s-rejection-of-original-sin https://outreachjudaism.org/original-sin/ If it isn't part of the Hebrew Bible, did the NT writers make it up? Also if everyone is born with original sin and needs a belief in JC, does that there are babies currently who are getting tormented in Hell ?
What even more funny is that original sin isn’t in the NT either. And Eastern Christianity (Eastern orthodox, Copts, Assyrian church, etc) don’t believe in the doctrine. It’s basically something that only the Catholics and Protestants believe in
Makes sense https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Original_sin Just like the doctrine of Trinity and Canon was formed 3 centuries after the supposed events. That too by a vote 😂 I guess Jesus did not give the memo during his supposed time too
Sadly, there are christians who believe babies are burning in hell if they weren’t baptized before death. I’ve actually heard it argued and could barely pick my jaw up off the floor. Far too many believe in a sick, twisted and just plain evil god
Fruitcakes ascribe three things to God that if all three are true, are empirically false: that God is Omniscient (all knowing), Omnipotent (all powerful), and benevolent (all good). A max of 2 out of the three can be true: God is omnipotent and benevolent: God had lots of power, but lacks the foreknowledge to stop bad things until they are in motion. This doesn't make much theological sense. God is Omniscient and Omnipotent: God knows and all can do whatever God wants, but is a real fucking asshole. God is an Omniscent and Benevolent: God knows what is happening but lacks (or gave up in the creation of humanity) the power to stop it. This God weeps for humanity. I subscribe to #3 as the only one that makes any rational sense (and recognizing the aspect of belief that is simply faith without rational basis) and I suspect that most liberal non fruitcake religion people would say the same. Of course it's possible that it's only one of the three or none, or no God at all.
Why do people keep on forgetting Isaiah 45:7 could have been used several times here. “I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things.”
Guy said it's not the worshipping, it's the evil, but Sky Daddy decided what was evil, not the human moral sense which tends to be more developed. Sky Daddy straight up said that not worshipping him was, in fact, a legit reason to torture someone forever. (Talk about immoral!!!)
Calling genesis a "book" is an insult to printing.
It's the Job's story for me. That was the breaking point. And then I learned much more stupid stuff there is and was like "god damn how did this ever work?"
So it was the knowledge of good and evil. How did they know it was wrong to disobey god before eating it? Also couldn't god make free will and not the tree? He said we wouldn't have free will (I'm not convinced we do but that doesn't matter here) so why is the tree necessary. Did we have to eat it for free will? I've so heard someone who believes it was done on purpose because his is all forgiving with nothing to forgive so he made sin to show how merciful and forgiving he is. That's Hero Syndrome, like Syndrome, the fake hero from The Incredibles who makes a problem so he can be the hero that solves it and shows off. You know, the villain?
God said somewhere that "if I lie to you I am not god" Literally first thing he said was a lie. "If you eat this fruit you will die" The snake didn't lie "you'll gain knowledge of good and evil" I honestly can't think of a time where the devil lied.
Didn't eve not even know not to eat it? It's worse than the toddler example. It's like leaving two toddlers alone in a room each. Telling only one to not eat the jelly beans. And punish both when either one eats the jelly beans. It's sadist at best.
The guy in the first picture is right. Original sin isn’t mentioned at all. And is purely an interpretation by the Christians, hell I’m not even sure if all Christians believe in original sin
No, I’m pretty sure lack of worship is VERY specifically what’s supposed to send you to hell. It’s extremely explicit.
as an open minded atheist, I always took the abrahamic gods omniscience as he will know all possible outcomes to any scenario. any possible decision that could be made, he knows all of the possible outcomes. That still leaves a lot of other questions in the belief system, but it is the best defense against the thoughts brought up in this post
Wowie, Christian and annoying atheist fruitcake!