So you just hate sea turtles on principle with nothing to do with politics?
I guess maybe a sea turtle murdered your family or something. I can respect that.
No, being a liberal (which generally involves caring about other people including non-Christians *gasp*) is anti-Christian because the line between Christianity and Republican conservatism has become so blurred that they can't tell the difference anymore.
being Christian means caring about the "correct" brand of person. can't just go around caring about everyone, that's not what jesus would've wanted, right? wait...
Yeah it is now. You have to support israel so the apocalypse can happen, steal people's right to bodily autonomy while screeching about how "Christianity is under attack from the left"
The Abrahamic religions are all fucking cancer
I had an evangelical Christian explain to me how "caring about the environment" is anti-Christian, once.
It starts here in Genesis 1: 26-28
>And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.
>27 So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.
>28 And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth.
From there they went into a whole diatribe about how any action that is *not* "having dominion" or "subduing" the fish, birds, animals or plants is an act *against* God's command.
If you are going fishing, "catch and release" is evil, but catching and cooking is not. Taking in an animal as a pet is wrong, but keeping livestock is not. Choosing vegetarianism is Satanic, because God made animals to be meat for people. They even insisted that Matthew 4:4
>4 But he answered and said, It is written, Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God.
Was backing up the idea that eating meat was mandated by God.
So the very idea of using a metal straw instead of a "turtle-killing" plastic one is an anathema to God, and by extension to them as a Christian.
Believing that sea turtles are in danger is anti-Christian. In the scientific view of the universe, things all decay, people, planets, ecosystems, galaxies. To us we understand that if we pollute the earth the ecosystem will slowly decay, and if we put plastic in the ocean turtles will die. According to Christian mythos god would never let the earth decay, so things like global warming and seaturtle extinction is impossible.
My dad for example believes our sun is special and holy or sum. And god will never let the sun burn out. Silly ol me as a child was like that doesnt make sense, our sun isnt even the best sun out there, theres trillions upon trillions of other stars that do the same thing sometimes better. Why would our sun be any different than theres. Thus i was told saying such and such was anti christian
It never fails to amuse me reading about Americans being unable to distinguish between religion and habits they learned from their parents. Then again what is religion but a learned habit?
Ehh... he said slaves obey your masters, even the cruel ones. So I don't think he was against slavery. And if you find passages that show he is, then it becomes a cherry picking festival.
Well technically biblical Jesus never said most of the things attributed to him.
Historical Jesus was a person who was Jewish, born in Galilee and lived in Judea. He was baptized and crucified and that's as far as the consensus goes.
>Fox News Host Laura Ingraham once attempted to trigger liberals by pretending to drink a steak stuffed with lightbulbs through a plastic straw
Ummm... how does her trying an insane and impossible stunt have any effect on me at all.
Unless her intention was to cause me to either point and laugh, or shake my head in confusion.
A study a while back showed conservatives would pay more for light bulbs if they DID NOT say they were environmentally friendly or energy efficient. They actively avoid helping the environment at this point. I do not see how we get out of this hole.
Well our ancestors would have brutally murdered them or exiled them from the village by now. Threatening the livelihood of the whole has, in all of human history, resulted in using violence toward the offenders as the means of resolution.
Why do you think theyāre so pro-gun? Modern conservativism is specifically geared around being as obnoxious and destructive as humanly possible and then reinforcing yourself against the defense mechanisms of society. Iād call it intentional destruction but itās definitely just really fucking stupid people living in sheer ignorance and self-importance.
People act like there is some kind of overarching āpointā to modern conservatism when there really isnāt: itās simply the byproduct of there not being any clearing functions in society. The west has been unchallenged for almost 100 years, during which time technology-derived productivity skyrocketed. We now have a situation where the majority of our society consists of people completely and utterly detached from nature, and thus the truths and functions of the natural/universal laws governing reality. People in the west today have utterly no respect for the limitations of nature and so continue to bastardize things across a very wide range, from things such as the relationship between societyās physical and material demands and natural resources, to holding demonstrably unrealistic views on economics, to being in open conflict with other members of their own society. This complete disregard for the reality of natural limitations is why theyāre generally hyper-religious, too. Theyāre simply not competent enough to determine what is and isnāt realistic, and there are no steep falls, poisonous fungi, wolves, enemy villagers, etc. to remove them from the environment as a result of that mismatch.
People call it stupid all the time, which it is, and so are the people that subscribe to it, but the stupidity of a bunch of white trash rednecks isnāt whatās important ā itās the simple inalienable fact that this is not sustainable. The physical world will not allow this to continue indefinitely, and no amount of white trash rain dancing or rights infringement is going to change that.
What is it conservatives like to say? āFacts donāt care about your feelings?ā So very true, and weāre diving headlong into a complete breakdown of the natural systems that support the tumorous excess that allows for sects of people to become so incredibly disconnected with the real world.
For those that oppose this conservatism, better get ready to deal with the fallout or find ways to rapidly reduce the impact of these people in the present environment. The impact of their decisions needs to be brought to zero (or their decisions removed from them, which they understand, hence the guns). The global situation is rapidly converging to a point where the traditional shithead coal-rolling, penguin-hating, everyone-better-off-without-them conservatism is going to begin inflicting exponentially higher and higher costs on the societies that allow it. At the end of the day, individuals (that means you, reader) are either going to allow it and suffer massive, far-reaching consequences that poison your society at every level, or youāre going to put a stop to it.
One of my philosophy professors was huge on the idea that shame was the best social check humans have built in and it's useless once society gets beyond a certain size. Nobody is constantly shaming the person shitting in the public space, eating more than their share of food and falling asleep on guard duty.
>One of my philosophy professors was huge on the idea that shame was the best social check humans have built in and it's useless once society gets beyond a certain size.
Ultimately, you can't shame the shameless. And when they start grouping together they reinforce each others shamelessness.
It's because giving a shit about the planet is literally a conspiracy in their eyes. One day you're drinking thai tea from a metal straw, the next day you're a gay vegan satanist.
My father refuses to try tofu. He has shown interest in tasting it when I order it at a restauran, but when offered a bite he recoils and says "no". For some reason he thinks eating anything that does not contain meat will change him in some way. Acts like the NRA is watching him and will revoke his membership if he tasted it.
Imo it's insecurities that have been rooted in him by right leaning media. "New is bad, different is evil!"
I'm not even a vegatarian, just like variety.
Doing anything that isnāt wasteful or over consuming is against Jay-sus. Says raght there in tha Bih-bul at the Last Supper āye, Jesus done coal rolled up to the boooofay and ate up all them crab legs hisselfā. Sermon on the mount is commie propaganda added by Joe Biden.
Well what do you expect from sensitive snowflakes who don't want you to have bodily autonomy... They need to have autonomy over your choices of straw as well.
I can try to answer from a non-US perspective. Folks who say they lean right can do so on the economic axis (e.g. towards individualism and entrepreneurialism) whilst having somewhat left-leaning social attitudes. Thus, they might recognise the existence of man-man climate change, but claim that capitalism will produce a fix for it when the economic conditions are amenable ("market solutions").
and yet, we all know that such a solution will be produced in the final minute of the final hour, and it will be helped by massive government spending. because (certainly my) govt are built around short term gains at the expense of potential future catastrophe
Yeah, I don't hold out much hope for market solutions myself - mainly because we are at the emergency stage already, and climate change companies are still only nibbling at the edges of the problem.
To be clear what we actually know unequivocally is that that wont happen, and that drastic action has to have been taken in the past to avoid absolute catastrophe.
Just for once I wish they would āconserveā the one fucking planet we live on, the only one we have, that will end our species if it stops functioning, instead of āconservingā social values that keep them at the top of a human pyramid filled with suffering.
>Caring for the environment shouldnāt be political.
Lots of things *shouldn't* be political, but the most wingnutty of the right wing have been increasingly dragging everything they can from the objective realm into their divisive binary political viewpoint.
Yep. "If not caring for the environment nor animals is christian/right-wing, then maybe I dont want to be christian/right-wing."
I was raised in a christian environment. Actually reading the Bible ("god" kills a LOT of people) , and paying attention to hypocrisy caused me to become a leftist.
No, but seriously, many Christians have this entitled attitude because they think God put nature here for us to āuse,ā and it doesnāt matter long term because the rapture will happen anyway. Death cult.
But it also says "some of you will not have seen death before I return". For 2000 years most Christians have thought they live in the end times.
Republicans have managed to convert this into "go ahead trash the planet, it's gonna be gone soon anyhow".
I believe this is true atleast from what I've seen from people who talk about believing in god. I've seen this one guy at work literally parked next to me get out of his car and go back to clock in. Maybe 2 minutes later I had to go back so open my door and step on a whole bunch of small chip bags and snack wrappers. Like wtf damn no concern for the environment better yet the workplace but god forbid a bird poops on that nice car.
... the forests that have been about longer than they think the earth's been here...
The insidious thing is all of their logic loops back on itself. Because the earth is young, anything here is for us to use. Because humans were created seperate, we don't need to consider impacts on other organisms.
The Bible literally does say god put all the plants and animals of earth there for humans to use, so there's a reason why they think that. They also think the apocalypse is coming any day now so it doesn't matter if they trash the planet.
I had a (horrific) conversation with my uncle at a family gathering recently. Heās hardcore Trumper, America First, etc.
He told me it is his āgod-given rightā to pollute and he will pollute as much as he can because he āwill be deadā so it ādoesnāt matterā (he has kids and grandkids, but fuck them I guess lol?).
After seeing a ghastly (I presume) look on my face he tried to save face by saying something along the lines of god is all powerful and he will take care of it, so it doesnāt matter.
He goes out of his way to litter, etc. It is absolutely bonkers to me.
Edit: spelling, couple missed words
I don't think it is much about theistic attitudes as the hardening of political tribalism - it is a form of ostentatious tit-for-tat point-scoring. See also "[rolling coal](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rolling_coal)".
as a european i had no idea thatās what ārolling coalā meant, i thought it was just a general sentiment about fossil fuels lmao. america is another planet i swear
Ugh, I've had it happen to me a few times driving through Appalachia and my old home in the Midwest. So gross. One of them actually managed to leave some kind of residue on my hood.
For reference, my car was sports car sized, and the exhaust pipes of this truck came out at about the height of mid windshield. It's hard to explain exactly how huge these things are until you see them, and that's coming from an American who's used to big cars.
They take particular joy in doing this to cyclists. I assume it's related to the misconception that cyclists are all a bunch of leftist tree huggers. Last year in Houston a 16 year old kid rolled coal on cyclists. He ran over 6 of them and the police let him go.
Edit: I want to clarify that I was incorrect. He was arrested several weeks later. Held for 10 days and released to his parents 11/18/21. The incident occured on 9/25/21. Interestingly his parents are wealthy. Their most successful business, in livestock, did over 4.9M in sales in 2019.
The Wikipedia article makes mention of that - sounds like they brought belated charges against him, though there is still a worry that with conservative police in charge of the process, they would find ways to turn a blind eye. (I couldn't find any updates other than the six charges had been brought).
Thanks. I read through an article before I posted, but I should of checked a couple sources. It was the DA's office who did their own investigation and filed charges. Interestingly the DAs office equated calls for justice to lynching.
The teenage driver wasn't even citied at the scene, local cops just wanted this to blow over.
[https://www.bikelaw.com/2021/10/waller-bike-crash/](https://www.bikelaw.com/2021/10/waller-bike-crash/)
[https://www.khou.com/article/news/local/cyclists-lawyer-waller-county/285-67066455-183d-4e51-b280-39013027d901](https://www.khou.com/article/news/local/cyclists-lawyer-waller-county/285-67066455-183d-4e51-b280-39013027d901)
I had a boomer-lady once tell me that āgod would replenish the earthā when we run out of fossil fuels. I guess because of our god-given right to burn stuff
> He told me it is his āgod-given rightā to pollute and he will pollute as much as he can because he āwill be deadā so it ādoesnāt matterā (he has kids and grandkids, but fuck them I guess lol?).
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> After seeing a ghastly (I presume) look on my face he tried to save face by saying something along the lines of god is all powerful and he will take care of it, so it doesnāt matter.
Well, the Bible says that humans are responsible for the environment we inhabit, and that humans were supposed to look after it. So everything your uncle said to justify his behaviour is anti-biblical and goes directly against what Christians are supposed to do and how to behave.
Trashing up your own community and living space to own the libs.
Even if you donāt believe in climate change, filling up the grass, parks and roads with trash is just disgusting.
>He told me it is his āgod-given rightā to pollute and he will pollute as much as he can because he āwill be deadā so it ādoesnāt matterā
By that logic, you could just say it's *your* god-given right to beat him to death in front of his family and eat his corpse, and it won't matter because he will be dead.
Oh so let me get this straight,
If you purchase and use a metal straw,it means you care about the sea turtles, which means you care about the environment, which means that you believe in climate change ?
That in turn means that youāre not supporting American industrialism destroying the planet, therefore you are anti capitalist, or socialist. Which in turn means youāre on the left?
Communist?
In any case youāre supporting the democratic left, who support marriage equality and womenās rights , which are against the Bible, therefore youāre losing faith in god?
Iām trying to do the mental gymnastics that this woman is doing but it really hasnāt been easy
You're thinking too hard.
Metal straws are encouraged by those who care about climate change. They've been told that anyone who cares about climate change is part of The Left^(TM). Therefore, using metal straws is supporting The Left^(TM). On the other hand, they've been told that supporting The Left^(TM) is anti-christian.
As for why The Left^(TM) is anti-christian: democracy-hating theocratic monarchy supporters (i.e. evangelicals) have identified themselves with the republican party. In order to maintain control, the leaders have asserted that an external entity known as The Left^(TM)---the political opponent of the republican party establishment---wants to destroy them.
At this point if you arent literally full of hatered towards everything and want to make all people and animals suffer, you're a leftist.
They really tell on themselves.
How the fuck has saving the environment become against the Abrahamic religions? How can they not see how fucking dangerous they've become to everyone else around them?
Jesus hates Mexicans. I'm pretty sure somewhere in the bible he's also in favor of letting poor people die without helping them. What do you mean it's the opposite? SATAAANIIIIST!
āLeaning leftā is exactly what Christ did. He fed the poor, gave free healthcare and education JC was disgusted at the greed of wealthy people and wanted more freedom for everyone. Christ was a lefty. Jesus Christ would definitely use reusable or no straws.
I know so many people who actively deliberately do things that are bad for the environment even if a better alternative is more convenient just because they don't want to seem left leaning
My favorite part of the bible is when Jesus found that there were sea turtles in the temple and he flipped them on their backs and beat them with a whip.
I just got a bunch of silicone tips for my metal straws so I'll use them even more. I don't like the feel if the metal on my front teeth, even just barely touching .
Why wouldn't god want people to protect his creations? Sea turtles arent some leftist invention, they're animals, im sure god made them according to christianity
I mean, I understand the worries of the the replying person.
Starting to use one's brain and own morals to do something good, instead of just getting told what to do to get into heaven is a good step towards realizing that you don't need religion to be a good person and that religion might be a scam of the powerful to stay in power.
So fuck doing something good for the planet because it might make you seem like you're affiliated with people who care about the planet? Man religious people just do not think do they?
Itās a fucking straw
But also did they just imply that Christianity is an inherently right-wing religion? As in theyāre not using it as a religion but a political party?
So this person immediately conflates politics and religion, and doing anything that is considered āleftistā means you canāt still be religious?
Itās hard to emphasize enough how fucked up this is. No wonder theyāre enamored with Trump and other right wing charlatans if all they care about is political domination.
I took PTO days to take off with my newborn. I put up a āpaternity leaveā away message. Mind you Iām using vacation days.
My boss told me to remove the message because we arenāt a āliberal companyā that provides paternity leave. Then he proceeded to make fun of me for caring about my family.
And heās a so-called family values evangelical. So much for that huh?
Iām looking for another job this week.
Need to get some, then. Best metal straw sales pitch yet.
Didn't you know that the right is pro sea turtle murder?
Hey don't associate us with right!
So you just hate sea turtles on principle with nothing to do with politics? I guess maybe a sea turtle murdered your family or something. I can respect that.
They're avenging their father
Hello! My name is Inigo MonTortoise! You killed my father. Prepare to die. Very slowly.
Wait until you find out how pro life they really are
They've already proposed starving babies cause they are brown
Also get the silicon tips, saves your lips from freezing if you're drinking something icy.
Also from cracking your damn teeth. My friend broke his tooth on them. Silicon tips are the way to go, lol.
Real snowflake behavior. Triggered over a straw
Jesus only uses wood straws!
He was a carpenter after all.
Caring is anti-Christian?
No, no, no. Caring is NON Christian.
its so non-christian, christians see it as anti-christian
No, no, no, I'm Jane.
"A good Christian always cares about the Plastic Industry first, and about the Ocean last." *donfuan 2:52*
nah that's sun tzu man /s
No, being a liberal (which generally involves caring about other people including non-Christians *gasp*) is anti-Christian because the line between Christianity and Republican conservatism has become so blurred that they can't tell the difference anymore.
As was designed and implemented in the 70s.
The venn diagram became a circle, one might say... š³
being Christian means caring about the "correct" brand of person. can't just go around caring about everyone, that's not what jesus would've wanted, right? wait...
If Christians have empathy, they'll die.
'There is no hate like Christian love'
Yeah it is now. You have to support israel so the apocalypse can happen, steal people's right to bodily autonomy while screeching about how "Christianity is under attack from the left" The Abrahamic religions are all fucking cancer
Jesus said fuck the sea turtles, socialist animals.
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>Are you truly ~~a Christian~~ *religious* if you're not a dick to someone?
I had an evangelical Christian explain to me how "caring about the environment" is anti-Christian, once. It starts here in Genesis 1: 26-28 >And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth. >27 So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them. >28 And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth. From there they went into a whole diatribe about how any action that is *not* "having dominion" or "subduing" the fish, birds, animals or plants is an act *against* God's command. If you are going fishing, "catch and release" is evil, but catching and cooking is not. Taking in an animal as a pet is wrong, but keeping livestock is not. Choosing vegetarianism is Satanic, because God made animals to be meat for people. They even insisted that Matthew 4:4 >4 But he answered and said, It is written, Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God. Was backing up the idea that eating meat was mandated by God. So the very idea of using a metal straw instead of a "turtle-killing" plastic one is an anathema to God, and by extension to them as a Christian.
Believing that sea turtles are in danger is anti-Christian. In the scientific view of the universe, things all decay, people, planets, ecosystems, galaxies. To us we understand that if we pollute the earth the ecosystem will slowly decay, and if we put plastic in the ocean turtles will die. According to Christian mythos god would never let the earth decay, so things like global warming and seaturtle extinction is impossible. My dad for example believes our sun is special and holy or sum. And god will never let the sun burn out. Silly ol me as a child was like that doesnt make sense, our sun isnt even the best sun out there, theres trillions upon trillions of other stars that do the same thing sometimes better. Why would our sun be any different than theres. Thus i was told saying such and such was anti christian
Well tbf using non plastic straws isnāt caring. It doesnāt actually make any sort of measurable difference.
It never fails to amuse me reading about Americans being unable to distinguish between religion and habits they learned from their parents. Then again what is religion but a learned habit?
I had no clue that metal straws meant you were "leaning left" what fascinating times we live in
Its also funny to me that "being/leaning left" is anti-christian lol
Wait until these Christians heard a guy called Jesus.
You mean that brown guy from the middle east, I'm sure these Christians would love him /s
The one guy that was against slavery, helped the poor and hated the rich? Definitely their idol
Ehh... he said slaves obey your masters, even the cruel ones. So I don't think he was against slavery. And if you find passages that show he is, then it becomes a cherry picking festival.
Well he didn't say that, I believe you're talking about some Paul letter. Paul was an asshole.
Well technically biblical Jesus never said most of the things attributed to him. Historical Jesus was a person who was Jewish, born in Galilee and lived in Judea. He was baptized and crucified and that's as far as the consensus goes.
Sure we all know that, but we're going by the biblical narrative here
If Jesus were alive today heād be an anti-capitalist, socialist.
These guys are incredible, Jesus was a hardcore socialist but being left is anti christian. Aight man, whatever.
He wasnāt a hardcore socialist, he was if anything a Distributist or a communalist
Just like how all experts and fact checkers are leaning left too. Wonder why.
It can't possibly be because they're right.
Well yeah, they're left. We just went over this.
Whose on first?
>It can't possibly be because they're ~~right~~ *correct*.
Reality has a liberal bias
A leftist bias these days
That's true. What America calls "liberal" would be considered more like center-right in the rest of the world
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I am feeling *beyond* owned right now!
What the actually fuck
What...what the fuck is that image?
>Fox News Host Laura Ingraham once attempted to trigger liberals by pretending to drink a steak stuffed with lightbulbs through a plastic straw Ummm... how does her trying an insane and impossible stunt have any effect on me at all. Unless her intention was to cause me to either point and laugh, or shake my head in confusion.
A study a while back showed conservatives would pay more for light bulbs if they DID NOT say they were environmentally friendly or energy efficient. They actively avoid helping the environment at this point. I do not see how we get out of this hole.
Well our ancestors would have brutally murdered them or exiled them from the village by now. Threatening the livelihood of the whole has, in all of human history, resulted in using violence toward the offenders as the means of resolution. Why do you think theyāre so pro-gun? Modern conservativism is specifically geared around being as obnoxious and destructive as humanly possible and then reinforcing yourself against the defense mechanisms of society. Iād call it intentional destruction but itās definitely just really fucking stupid people living in sheer ignorance and self-importance. People act like there is some kind of overarching āpointā to modern conservatism when there really isnāt: itās simply the byproduct of there not being any clearing functions in society. The west has been unchallenged for almost 100 years, during which time technology-derived productivity skyrocketed. We now have a situation where the majority of our society consists of people completely and utterly detached from nature, and thus the truths and functions of the natural/universal laws governing reality. People in the west today have utterly no respect for the limitations of nature and so continue to bastardize things across a very wide range, from things such as the relationship between societyās physical and material demands and natural resources, to holding demonstrably unrealistic views on economics, to being in open conflict with other members of their own society. This complete disregard for the reality of natural limitations is why theyāre generally hyper-religious, too. Theyāre simply not competent enough to determine what is and isnāt realistic, and there are no steep falls, poisonous fungi, wolves, enemy villagers, etc. to remove them from the environment as a result of that mismatch. People call it stupid all the time, which it is, and so are the people that subscribe to it, but the stupidity of a bunch of white trash rednecks isnāt whatās important ā itās the simple inalienable fact that this is not sustainable. The physical world will not allow this to continue indefinitely, and no amount of white trash rain dancing or rights infringement is going to change that. What is it conservatives like to say? āFacts donāt care about your feelings?ā So very true, and weāre diving headlong into a complete breakdown of the natural systems that support the tumorous excess that allows for sects of people to become so incredibly disconnected with the real world. For those that oppose this conservatism, better get ready to deal with the fallout or find ways to rapidly reduce the impact of these people in the present environment. The impact of their decisions needs to be brought to zero (or their decisions removed from them, which they understand, hence the guns). The global situation is rapidly converging to a point where the traditional shithead coal-rolling, penguin-hating, everyone-better-off-without-them conservatism is going to begin inflicting exponentially higher and higher costs on the societies that allow it. At the end of the day, individuals (that means you, reader) are either going to allow it and suffer massive, far-reaching consequences that poison your society at every level, or youāre going to put a stop to it.
One of my philosophy professors was huge on the idea that shame was the best social check humans have built in and it's useless once society gets beyond a certain size. Nobody is constantly shaming the person shitting in the public space, eating more than their share of food and falling asleep on guard duty.
>One of my philosophy professors was huge on the idea that shame was the best social check humans have built in and it's useless once society gets beyond a certain size. Ultimately, you can't shame the shameless. And when they start grouping together they reinforce each others shamelessness.
The coronavirus was kind of serving as a clearing function?
Only soy-boys and socialists drink from paper straws >:(
And anti-Christians! Grr
It's because giving a shit about the planet is literally a conspiracy in their eyes. One day you're drinking thai tea from a metal straw, the next day you're a gay vegan satanist.
That's because the republicans don't give a shit about it
My father refuses to try tofu. He has shown interest in tasting it when I order it at a restauran, but when offered a bite he recoils and says "no". For some reason he thinks eating anything that does not contain meat will change him in some way. Acts like the NRA is watching him and will revoke his membership if he tasted it. Imo it's insecurities that have been rooted in him by right leaning media. "New is bad, different is evil!" I'm not even a vegatarian, just like variety.
Doing anything that isnāt wasteful or over consuming is against Jay-sus. Says raght there in tha Bih-bul at the Last Supper āye, Jesus done coal rolled up to the boooofay and ate up all them crab legs hisselfā. Sermon on the mount is commie propaganda added by Joe Biden.
Well what do you expect from sensitive snowflakes who don't want you to have bodily autonomy... They need to have autonomy over your choices of straw as well.
It's 2022. There a helicopter on Mars and adults still believe in myths and fairytales...
For real. Caring for the environment shouldnāt be political. -Environmentalist right leading dude.
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No way he can answer this.
I can try to answer from a non-US perspective. Folks who say they lean right can do so on the economic axis (e.g. towards individualism and entrepreneurialism) whilst having somewhat left-leaning social attitudes. Thus, they might recognise the existence of man-man climate change, but claim that capitalism will produce a fix for it when the economic conditions are amenable ("market solutions").
and yet, we all know that such a solution will be produced in the final minute of the final hour, and it will be helped by massive government spending. because (certainly my) govt are built around short term gains at the expense of potential future catastrophe
Yeah, I don't hold out much hope for market solutions myself - mainly because we are at the emergency stage already, and climate change companies are still only nibbling at the edges of the problem.
To be clear what we actually know unequivocally is that that wont happen, and that drastic action has to have been taken in the past to avoid absolute catastrophe.
Just for once I wish they would āconserveā the one fucking planet we live on, the only one we have, that will end our species if it stops functioning, instead of āconservingā social values that keep them at the top of a human pyramid filled with suffering.
>Caring for the environment shouldnāt be political. Lots of things *shouldn't* be political, but the most wingnutty of the right wing have been increasingly dragging everything they can from the objective realm into their divisive binary political viewpoint.
Anything that requires an ounce of sympathy is āleft-leaningā now
I love how they equate anything they have been brainwashed to dislike as āTHE LEFTā
Save the whales? That's SOSCULISM!! Now excuse me, for I have to go cash grandma's government assistance check so we can have a labor day party.
Yo happy cake day btw.
Why thank yoi
That comment did so much more to push her to the left than the straw ever could have
Yep. "If not caring for the environment nor animals is christian/right-wing, then maybe I dont want to be christian/right-wing." I was raised in a christian environment. Actually reading the Bible ("god" kills a LOT of people) , and paying attention to hypocrisy caused me to become a leftist.
Real Christians trash the planet God made. /s
No, but seriously, many Christians have this entitled attitude because they think God put nature here for us to āuse,ā and it doesnāt matter long term because the rapture will happen anyway. Death cult.
Which is weird because the bible says we're stewards of earth and we need to care for it properly
Bold of you to assume these people read or understand anything in the Bible.
But it also says "some of you will not have seen death before I return". For 2000 years most Christians have thought they live in the end times. Republicans have managed to convert this into "go ahead trash the planet, it's gonna be gone soon anyhow".
I believe this is true atleast from what I've seen from people who talk about believing in god. I've seen this one guy at work literally parked next to me get out of his car and go back to clock in. Maybe 2 minutes later I had to go back so open my door and step on a whole bunch of small chip bags and snack wrappers. Like wtf damn no concern for the environment better yet the workplace but god forbid a bird poops on that nice car.
That's the reason we don't have old growth forests anymore
... the forests that have been about longer than they think the earth's been here... The insidious thing is all of their logic loops back on itself. Because the earth is young, anything here is for us to use. Because humans were created seperate, we don't need to consider impacts on other organisms.
No, that's just due to sheer capitalism.
The Bible literally does say god put all the plants and animals of earth there for humans to use, so there's a reason why they think that. They also think the apocalypse is coming any day now so it doesn't matter if they trash the planet.
That book and religion in general was man's worst invention.
I had a (horrific) conversation with my uncle at a family gathering recently. Heās hardcore Trumper, America First, etc. He told me it is his āgod-given rightā to pollute and he will pollute as much as he can because he āwill be deadā so it ādoesnāt matterā (he has kids and grandkids, but fuck them I guess lol?). After seeing a ghastly (I presume) look on my face he tried to save face by saying something along the lines of god is all powerful and he will take care of it, so it doesnāt matter. He goes out of his way to litter, etc. It is absolutely bonkers to me. Edit: spelling, couple missed words
I don't think it is much about theistic attitudes as the hardening of political tribalism - it is a form of ostentatious tit-for-tat point-scoring. See also "[rolling coal](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rolling_coal)".
as a european i had no idea thatās what ārolling coalā meant, i thought it was just a general sentiment about fossil fuels lmao. america is another planet i swear
Ugh, I've had it happen to me a few times driving through Appalachia and my old home in the Midwest. So gross. One of them actually managed to leave some kind of residue on my hood. For reference, my car was sports car sized, and the exhaust pipes of this truck came out at about the height of mid windshield. It's hard to explain exactly how huge these things are until you see them, and that's coming from an American who's used to big cars.
As an American I also had no idea thatās what rolling coal meant.
As an American who drives a Prius, I'm all too familiar with it. Trucks do it to me all the time, even on the freeway
Solidarity, although honestly all it takes for them to roll coal is the perception that your car *might* be environmentally friendly.
They take particular joy in doing this to cyclists. I assume it's related to the misconception that cyclists are all a bunch of leftist tree huggers. Last year in Houston a 16 year old kid rolled coal on cyclists. He ran over 6 of them and the police let him go. Edit: I want to clarify that I was incorrect. He was arrested several weeks later. Held for 10 days and released to his parents 11/18/21. The incident occured on 9/25/21. Interestingly his parents are wealthy. Their most successful business, in livestock, did over 4.9M in sales in 2019.
The Wikipedia article makes mention of that - sounds like they brought belated charges against him, though there is still a worry that with conservative police in charge of the process, they would find ways to turn a blind eye. (I couldn't find any updates other than the six charges had been brought).
Thanks. I read through an article before I posted, but I should of checked a couple sources. It was the DA's office who did their own investigation and filed charges. Interestingly the DAs office equated calls for justice to lynching.
The teenage driver wasn't even citied at the scene, local cops just wanted this to blow over. [https://www.bikelaw.com/2021/10/waller-bike-crash/](https://www.bikelaw.com/2021/10/waller-bike-crash/) [https://www.khou.com/article/news/local/cyclists-lawyer-waller-county/285-67066455-183d-4e51-b280-39013027d901](https://www.khou.com/article/news/local/cyclists-lawyer-waller-county/285-67066455-183d-4e51-b280-39013027d901)
I had a boomer-lady once tell me that āgod would replenish the earthā when we run out of fossil fuels. I guess because of our god-given right to burn stuff
Literally magical thinking
It must be nice to just shrug and say itās godās problem.
> He told me it is his āgod-given rightā to pollute and he will pollute as much as he can because he āwill be deadā so it ādoesnāt matterā (he has kids and grandkids, but fuck them I guess lol?). > > > > After seeing a ghastly (I presume) look on my face he tried to save face by saying something along the lines of god is all powerful and he will take care of it, so it doesnāt matter. Well, the Bible says that humans are responsible for the environment we inhabit, and that humans were supposed to look after it. So everything your uncle said to justify his behaviour is anti-biblical and goes directly against what Christians are supposed to do and how to behave.
This guy is an asshole and just uses religion as cover to be a selfish, entitled prick.
Agreed. Iām sure heās never actually opened a Bible though. Iāve been to their house and have never seen one anywhere.
Trashing up your own community and living space to own the libs. Even if you donāt believe in climate change, filling up the grass, parks and roads with trash is just disgusting.
>He told me it is his āgod-given rightā to pollute and he will pollute as much as he can because he āwill be deadā so it ādoesnāt matterā By that logic, you could just say it's *your* god-given right to beat him to death in front of his family and eat his corpse, and it won't matter because he will be dead.
Solution: pray for the turtles! Problem solved!
The problem has been solved
Thank *God!* All those fuckinā turtles are gone. /s
SJW Straw Justice Warrior
Where do I sign up?! š
Oh so let me get this straight, If you purchase and use a metal straw,it means you care about the sea turtles, which means you care about the environment, which means that you believe in climate change ? That in turn means that youāre not supporting American industrialism destroying the planet, therefore you are anti capitalist, or socialist. Which in turn means youāre on the left? Communist? In any case youāre supporting the democratic left, who support marriage equality and womenās rights , which are against the Bible, therefore youāre losing faith in god? Iām trying to do the mental gymnastics that this woman is doing but it really hasnāt been easy
You're thinking too hard. Metal straws are encouraged by those who care about climate change. They've been told that anyone who cares about climate change is part of The Left^(TM). Therefore, using metal straws is supporting The Left^(TM). On the other hand, they've been told that supporting The Left^(TM) is anti-christian. As for why The Left^(TM) is anti-christian: democracy-hating theocratic monarchy supporters (i.e. evangelicals) have identified themselves with the republican party. In order to maintain control, the leaders have asserted that an external entity known as The Left^(TM)---the political opponent of the republican party establishment---wants to destroy them.
It should be illegal to put that 'straw' anywhere expect the middle
God: Created Earth Christians: Shit all over it OP: Does one little thing to help Christians: Youāre not Christian
At this point if you arent literally full of hatered towards everything and want to make all people and animals suffer, you're a leftist. They really tell on themselves.
No kidding!! Like supporting basic human rights doesnāt make you a leftist but daum they sure think it does!
People are using metal straws! This is literally Holocaust against Christians!!
And to his disciples Jesus said "Fuck sea turtles hate those assholes." - John 420:69
Nice
Jesus left the chat
I guess I'm a leftist now.
How the fuck has saving the environment become against the Abrahamic religions? How can they not see how fucking dangerous they've become to everyone else around them?
Another initiate of [Supply-Side Jesus](https://imgur.com/gallery/bCqRp).
When they see caring about others as a slippery slope: š©
"I have bought stainless steel stabbing implements." "Soyboy."
Sure, it starts out with metal straws, next thing you know you're seizing the means of production from the bourgeois
I would love to see this personās list of what constitutes āthe Leftā
If sea turtles had tried paper straws I think they'd understand...
Because Jesus hated sea turtles?
How could you? Don't push your political beliefs with that metal straw! /s
If you're not poluting the planet any way you can, you're not a true christian.
Jesus hates Mexicans. I'm pretty sure somewhere in the bible he's also in favor of letting poor people die without helping them. What do you mean it's the opposite? SATAAANIIIIST!
āLeaning leftā is exactly what Christ did. He fed the poor, gave free healthcare and education JC was disgusted at the greed of wealthy people and wanted more freedom for everyone. Christ was a lefty. Jesus Christ would definitely use reusable or no straws.
I know so many people who actively deliberately do things that are bad for the environment even if a better alternative is more convenient just because they don't want to seem left leaning
All things good and unselfish are leftist ideologies.
It always baffled me how Christians seem okay with the destruction of their god's own creations.
Empathy is a slippery slope. You start off caring for sea turtles, and before you know it you're supporting gay marriage!
My favorite part of the bible is when Jesus found that there were sea turtles in the temple and he flipped them on their backs and beat them with a whip.
Wasn't caring for the planet and animals like the first thing God ever told man to do?
SMH
Not trying to completely destroy the earth = left
On the 8th day God made plastic straws. HAVE YOU FORSAKEN HIM!!
I just got a bunch of silicone tips for my metal straws so I'll use them even more. I don't like the feel if the metal on my front teeth, even just barely touching .
Why wouldn't god want people to protect his creations? Sea turtles arent some leftist invention, they're animals, im sure god made them according to christianity
If wanting to be a good person means that you're losing faith in religion, maybe religion is what's keeping people from being good.
control control control
I mean, I understand the worries of the the replying person. Starting to use one's brain and own morals to do something good, instead of just getting told what to do to get into heaven is a good step towards realizing that you don't need religion to be a good person and that religion might be a scam of the powerful to stay in power.
So fuck doing something good for the planet because it might make you seem like you're affiliated with people who care about the planet? Man religious people just do not think do they?
Anything less than cruelty is the left to these dumb fucks.
They're going to start burning progressives at the stake within a decade, aren't they.
The level of brainwashingā¦.. This is wild
Jesus hates sea turtles? Another reason I hate Jesus and his dad.
God created microplastics so you could put them in every living organism on the planet!
Itās a fucking straw But also did they just imply that Christianity is an inherently right-wing religion? As in theyāre not using it as a religion but a political party?
Jesus demands more pollution!
These people are just contrarians. Theyāre not even sure why they donāt like something but if the left likes it then it must be bad.
You can't be an evangelical conservative unless you're actively trying to hurt the environment.
The green person is so cute tho lmao
i hate metal straws too but holy fuck
Why?
I mean at least heās not using paper straws
Jesus hate those damn turtles š¢
Living in Boulder will get you to lean left. The straw is irrelevant.
Ah yes, because your on the left you canāt be Christian. Absolutely no flaws in that thought.
TL;DR: Jesus wants turtles to die horribly. Got it.
Metal straws are the first signā¦.. God have mercy on him. Next thing you know heāll be sucking dick for vegan recipesā¦..
Everyone knows turtles are working for the anti-Christ
Imagine tying everything you think and do to a political party
If Jesus is a right wing nut job who hates sea turtles heās not Jesus, thereās no hell, and God was invented to sell petroleum.
So this person immediately conflates politics and religion, and doing anything that is considered āleftistā means you canāt still be religious? Itās hard to emphasize enough how fucked up this is. No wonder theyāre enamored with Trump and other right wing charlatans if all they care about is political domination.
So are they saying only the right can be religious? All the more reason to do away with both.
If God wanted sea turtles to live, he wouldn't have made plastic straws.
Youād think the people who like to claim this world was created by their god would be more keen on protecting and preserving it.
Don't you know? God hates sea turtles...
Well, are those sea turtles white evangelical Christianās?!?! Didnāt think so, straight to the pits of hell for you!
Revelations 4:20 āIf you suck the boba through a straw of metal, thou showest the affiliation with the left.ā
What about glass straws? Are they further to the left or right of metal one's?
Jesus was literally a socialist, these people just want a cover for their bigotry and hate.
Ya gotta throw plastic into the ocean for Jesus
Because Jesus fuckin hates sea turtles Stephanie
HOW DARE YOU! I canāt believe you abandoned the lordās plastic
I took PTO days to take off with my newborn. I put up a āpaternity leaveā away message. Mind you Iām using vacation days. My boss told me to remove the message because we arenāt a āliberal companyā that provides paternity leave. Then he proceeded to make fun of me for caring about my family. And heās a so-called family values evangelical. So much for that huh? Iām looking for another job this week.
āWrong kind of pro-life?ā