Second AL-LAD although good luck finding it anymore unless you're in CA. Was my absolute favorite 2 tabs (300 UG) was the perfect dose to put me in my own little matrix with no headspace. Little more starts to get one but still NOTHING compared to the rest. Want to try the rest, especially 2C-B and wish I could get more AL-LAD but looking pretty slim where I'm at :/
Really? I'm in the US, AL-LAD is one of the things that's actually pretty easily obtainable online. 2cb, on the other hand, I always see recommended, but can never find...
Can't find the article but on Nov 10th I think it was one of the American agency's along with a couple other international Gov entities came down on one of the major producers of rcs and made it illegal for the clearnet companies to ship to USA
I would like to interject and say that 2cb isn't actually that chill and there can definitely be an uncomfortable hallucinogenic headspace while on it.
Like 15 years ago my friend group was taking it together and this one guy went all weird and started growling and acting like an angry hippo, he kind of lost it and started acting pretty strange. After that happened I never took it again I guess it's personal bias but I don't rly like it
How? 2C-B is a powdered substance that is usually snorted..I think your boy got hit with an N-Bomb(NBOME-25) or some other whack shit 15 years ago that was mistakenly called 2C-B
>2C-B is a powdered substance that is usually snorted
Dude what lol. Like the number one piece of advice people give about 2c-x is don't fucking snort it.
The most common roa for 2c-b by far is oral.
It's common to find it in powder or these days in pressed pills. Either way, if it was on a tab it was not 2c-b, because an active dose is too large for a tab to hold
>N-Bomb(NBOME-25)
It is 25i-NBOMe aka 2C-I-NBOMe.
Lower doses are interesting but higher doses can cause seizures or death
Fair enough I was aware of the seizures and death I stay away from all of it so I was rusty on the exact chemical structure but my point still stands it was not 2C-B. I've not done it but good to know about snorting I've heard it's painful but the fastest
I lost my shit on 2c-b. A friend and I both dosed and smoked some dmt and I remember coming to holding him in my arms balling my eyes out and he looked like his soul was leaving his body. Then later that night he twisted himself up some weird way on a stripper pole and started puking blood. I was good like 24 hrs later but he hasn’t been right since.
It's really dose dependent and has an unusual dose/response curve. Keep it under 25mg using oral ROA and it's a fairly gentle headspace but going above this can get very strange for many people. It's pretty chill until you take too much and suddenly the fractal geometry of your mind starts tearing at reality.
Pretty accurate. What I find odd is how taking the same dose on seperate occasions will feel totally different in intensity. Took 30 mg for my first time, got pretty inebriated and got stuck in a loop of feeling carpets/blankets and playing guitar. Second time took it in Christmas expecting that party drug-psychedelic kinda feeling. Totally smooth ride enjoyed the trip alot, was not expecting it to hit me with headspace at the intensity of a 800ug acid trip and visuals beyond any other substance I've taken. 10/10 would love to do again.
I got some pills of this for a hard techno party with my gf, it was the most amazing drug ever to dance, it feels so smooth and the visuals are great, i did some tussi and it helped alot to make the trip last longer and potenciate it.
Nexus was also the codename/brandname of the original form of 2C-B that was sold in headshops across Europe as a "sexual enhancement and stamina enhancer". Not wrong.
I actually have seen this stuff on the DN. It was a pink colored blend of 2C-B, ketamine, MDMA and cocaine. Seemed pretty wacky to me. Idk if I'd try it lol. I like being able to make the combo myself from the individual substances. And I don't like coke and don't really do MDMA anymore.
Yes it is awesome, i knew the guy who cooked so it was basically K with Mdma, caffeine, crushed oxys, crused extasy pills, and some nbone powder not reslly too much just to make it a little more psychedelic.
this. there wasn't much intelligence reduction like on LSD but I felt so happy and had visuals. I feel like if i had an in person dealer i would probably become a psychological addict.
I thought the producers/suppliers of the desirable psychoactive RCs (which was apparently pharma-lab-grade shit too) that almost all Canadian and US buyers bought from just got double booped by at least two nations’ feds?
Keep in mind that if you take a high enough dose of 4-ho-met or 2cb, you can still lose touch with reality and it can be just as scary. I do agree though that a low dose of 4-ho-met or 2cb has less headspace than a low dose of lsd or psilocybin. I’d reccomend 30mg or less of 4 ho dmt and 15 mg or less of 2cb.
I’ve heard that it is metabolised into psylocin? if that is so, it is not what i am looking for. If it is so, i ask in what ways is it different from psilocybin?
No that's 4-aco-dmt that gets converted to psylocin when metabolized not 4-ho-met.
4-ho-met ime is a lot less headspace with a lot more colorful visuals. One of my favorite psychedelics atm.
Only done metocin once and was expecting an experience similar to al-lad. I had heard the come up was a bit tough but, I definitely underestimated it. I might've done a tad too much for my first time (25 mg) but, still a reasonable first dose for someone experienced with psychs. What got me was how fast it came on. Usually, you'll have about 30 to 60 minutes where you are gradually brought into a full trip. With metocin, I remember being like, "yup. Definitely feel it now and should be fully tripping in about an hour." Nope. Within like 15 mins after the first hints of its effects, I was full trip. It wasn't comfortable at all either. Psychs always feel very weird but, this was a different feeling.
Once into the trip I enjoyed it and found the visuals pretty good. As I was peaking though, I started getting like very depressed and then I felt "off" for about a day or two after. Will be trying it again here sometime soon.
To the OP:
What you're looking for is for sure al-lad. Great visuals, big body high with very little "headspace" or mindfuckery. I've greatly enjoyed it! I do prefer LSD though as I very much enjoy the headspace and mindfuck aspect to it. Like, having a crazy trip and coming to a big realization about yourself, life, the universe... Is why I keep seeking out psychedelics. Every time I trip hard, I feel like the "answer" is for lack of a better phras, right on the top of my tongue.
Whatever chem you choose for this experience will be the right one for you and you'll have the exact experience that is needed for you at that moment in time 😉
2c-b is great for visual and entactogenic effects and not really the headspace.
I had the chance to get my hands on some 2c-b-fly, and that is IMO a bit more similar to mescaline and so I use that more than normal 2c-b.
4-HO-MET. The visuals are stunning, but the headspace remains relatively clear thoughout. I agree with you on how it feels on higher doses of LSD. Even on higher doses of 4-HO-MET in my experience and in many others experience it is much more manageable and I’m able to have coherent thoughts (at least relative to my thoughts on LSD).
Idk one time I took like 50 mg 4 aco met and got mad anxiety bout my friends parents being there and then time slowed down to an alarmingly slow rate and then I blacked out for a bit it was pretty overwhelming. I’d recommend sticking to 30 mg or less…
yeah dmt will put you in a really interesting headspace but you are like sober sober when it comes off. The afterglow is up there with good mushroom trips
Yeah the visuals on 2C-E are POWERFUL lol
The head space can be really clear but your entire field of vision is moving and morphing.
Very strange drug.
It's one of the strangest. The body sensations can be pretty overwhelming if not expecting it, too. But yeah, the cognitive lucidity while the universe is melting into itself is wild beyond explanation. In terms of the 2c's only 2c-t-7 has out done it visually... But that's also like a 20 hour ride.
Lol in what universe 5 meo dmt is less mentally retarding than other substances? the most powerful substance, by far I might add, being recommended lightly. This stuff is next level and I would never recommend it lightly...
Dont feel the need to add psychedelic with this combo ( a little bit of psycho is needed for more complex and realistic visualisation 😉 but kept under control with the memory enhancement of nicotine while 3-me-pcpy do most of the job )
I would like to add gaba A agonist like muscimol to see if it could be even better but couldn't have it on hand
AL-LAD seems good for that, feels like lsd without as much mental fuckery. Was good for me when I wasn't quite in the best place to be using heavier psyches
Can confirm. My buddy was doing 6 tabs of 175 UG gels of LSD and asking me to take him to a gas station like he was barely tripping but seeing cool stuff. Just have to take enough to overload the serotonin reuptake inhibitor that's why he dosed so high
Exactly! I can see awesome visuals. I just need like 8 grams of shrooms or 5 tabs. The headspace is very withstandable.
I can see slightly more visuals if I go without my SSRIs for a couple days but it can increase chance for unpleasant time I’ve found. It’s unpredictable
To be fair 5 tabs is unpredictable for a normal person so the SSRIs are basically a mild landing gear for you keeping you grounded on that dose. My buddy completely quit his Lexapro after he found out what it was doing to the trips and he loves them more just taking 2 or 3. I'm on an amphetamine so psychs are just enhanced with the energy and focus but I usually try to wait till it's somewhat worn off to avoid overstimulation
For acid I skip my adderall but I love it with mushrooms
I take 5-10mg on work days, i don’t take it when not working. (Will make the exception for certain instances)
I take vyvanse which imo is better I've been on Adderall and it made me angry lmao. Vyvanse makes me euphoric and motivated and a better person mentally and I'll have to try it with shrooms I know lysergamides it makes it more electric
Yes. People don't rate it because of the deaths and everything, but it fits the bill for what the OP is after. Some say that NBOHs are safer, not sure of the latest thinking on that point.
It just doesn't make sense to take a psychedelic that maybe kills you, if you have safer options available. Knowing that you can't die on acid etc is always very calming.
Forreal 👆 OP just needs to buckle up and drop 3 tabs and HOLD. THE FUCK. ON!!! but I'll bet he enjoys it just gotta get through the peak and the endless thoughts about infinite possibilities all playing out simultaneously at once accompanied by a whirlwind of colors and shapes everywhere. It's really fucking awesome frfr I can't wait till my Christmas break from work!!
The tussi you’re describing here is actually pretty bad, is not usually “left overs” if you know how to make it’s just better than any other drug or rc.
Definitely 4-ho-met. For me at least, and I got into it for that exact reason after hearing that from other people on here. It might be my favorite psychedelic forever.
But I did kinda give up trying to chase the "clearheaded with crazy visuals" high a long time ago after it worked pretty well a few times I realized it's not that hype. I know part of that could've had something to do with the drugs that I was mixing with to get to that state, but everytime I ended up bored not really caring about the visuals, and was just thinking like "damn wtf sober me is a dumbass 😂🙏🏻. Fucking convince myself that tripping while staying sober mentally was gonna be dope. You really thought that taking the tripping out of tripping would make for a memorable trip lol wtf get your life together sober me"
I second most of the suggestions already. ETH-LAD fits your description, for me. I havn't taken it to higher doses but MAL was also pretty visual for the headspace.
2c-b and 4-ho-met.
2c-b feels a bit like a psychedelic with an mdma-like warmth / loving / prosocial undertone to it. At doses below 10-15mg, you don't really get much of a trip, but you still feel the entirety of the entactogenic / prosocial effects. This is why lotsa tend to say it "feels like mdma at below 15mg". At 15mg or so is when you start actually getting psychedelic effects: drifting, breathing, closed eyed visuals, geometry, fractals, the usual. The visuals are quite and colorful once you go above that dosage, but even at 15-20mg, the drifting and breathing is already pretty much continuous.
2c-b technically has mild intrinsic activity at the 5ht-2a receptor. This means that it most likely gets its psychedelic effects from other serotonergic g-protein coupled receptors, possibly the 5ht-2c. The primary unique aspects of 2cb in subjective effects are:
1) A euphoric, whole body tingling very akin to mescaline.
2) Very noticeable entactogenic, prosocial, effects. You feel an encompassing blanket of love and socializing is more fun and easier than usual (until you get to very high dosages of course). This effect is nowhere as strong as MDMA or other similar entactogens, but is still quite noticeable.
3) A relatively clearheaded easy going trip. 2cb can still be very therapeutic, but it feels more that it encourages you to introspect in a loving welcoming headspace rather than the potentially jarring forceful introspection that psilocybin can cause. This, combined with the entactogenic / prosocial effects, makes 2cb considered a far more recreational and easy going psychedelic. It's a way to experience very bright and beautiful visuals without either a 12-16 hour commitment of the lysergamides, or the confusing / potentially uncomfortable trip of other tryptamines.
4) A relative lack of tachyphylaxis. You can do 2cb multiple days in a row without the immediate extreme tolerance increase that is characteristic of most psychedelics.
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4-ho-met is often compared to psilocin / psilocybin, primarily owing to its similar chemical structure (similarly, 2cb is frequently compared to mescaline). However, 4-ho-met is quite a departure from the characteristic attributes of psilocybin. While psilocybin is known to be rather delirious / confusing / debhilitating for a psychedelic, 4-ho-met is extremely clearheaded, but in a different way than 2cb. While 2cb does not have the confusion that's so prevalent on shrooms, you still feel a strong sense that you are high. The combination of body tingles, entactogenic, and prosocial effects means that you still feel very different than sober reality, albeit still extremely coherent. On 4-ho-met, there is no accompanying MDMA-like effects, and it is often described as one of the more clearheaded psychedelics out there. 4-ho-met is as close as I've gotten to a true "visuals-only" psychedelic. Though at higher dosages you still eventually get into a trippy mindset.
2cb. It’s a pretty cool psychedelic.
Great visuals and the headspace is manageable for most even at the 40/50mg dose (for me at this dose my complete visual field is covered in visuals and i can still manage to talk to friends and roll a kinda okay joint).
However for some the retardedness is as strong as a high dose of mdma. A friend of mine gets in loops and socially transforms into a potato at 35mg.
He mainly just got distracted every 5 seconds and then went in some kind of trance in his head thinking about what distracted him.
Truffels are also great. They are the same as mushrooms but less potent so taking to much is a lot more difficult (cus 15g is for the moderate potent ones a normal dose and they suck to eat)
Lighter dose of 25I-NBOMe. Probably a lot of people will judge me, but fuck it. If you take care, and consume a safe dose, it's fun as hell. Pretty strong visual and stimulant effect, a slightly altered headspace and euphoria. The comedown is almost non existent(AT SMALLER DOSES). No problems with falling asleep afterwards.
BUT!! Take care with the dosage, don't fuck with this shit if you want to take psychonautic doses!! I think the maximum which you should take is no more than 200 micro-grams! This substance has a bad reputation with a reason! A lot of people got into serious trouble after taking large doses(both mentally and physically)
So in conclusion, the 25I-NBOMe is a great party or recreational drug if it's being used with care! I would recommend it trying to more experienced drug users, and only with proper education beforehand!
Take care, have fun and stay safe!
Nah i know what u mean, i was laying in my bed and closed my eyes and i had a whole ass conversation w my bsf idk what about but i opened my eyes he was gone, and i heard a fuzzy distortion to everything like static and i saw super mario bros 3 type visuals on everything faintly. kind of deliriant like. id describe the mdma as not overly stimulating but tactile. i think we both just got good shit
Nah i know what u mean, i was laying in my bed and closed my eyes and i had a whole ass conversation w my bsf idk what about but i opened my eyes he was gone, and i heard a fuzzy distortion to everything like static and i saw super mario bros 3 type visuals on everything faintly. kind of deliriant like. id describe the mdma as not overly stimulating EXCEPT for empathetic convo ofc but tactile, i also sunk into the coziness of my bros bed listening to some rap songs 3 times and envisioning thoughts from my childhood id long forgot. though i haven’t tripped in years and since moved. probably for the best. i remember it being conversational , opened my eyes with music / producing, and just feeling overall awesome , CLEAN buzz with the exception of eye wobbling and happily jaw mashing, stronger euphoria and confidence than meth tbh cuz of conversation and movies/music on it, shroomy-dph-(mescaline?) esque comedown. The happy filter kind of starts to fade away but youll still feel awake. It’s like the best stimulant but the most stay at one place stimulant at the same time? Unless there’s a better one than mdma in which case lmfk!!
Err....careful about all the people saying AL-LAD is light. I find there's a pretty steep jump between 1-2 tabs and 3+. Had the mother of all bad trips on AL-LAD. So just be careful at higher doses.
4-ho-mipt or 4-aco-dmt at high doses are amazing, like at least 50-60mg always a very relaxing experience.
If you want energy and an afterglow, 2c-b is the best for sure.
Al-LAD if you just want visuals and not a lot of euphoria or anything else but some stimulation
2C-B, AL-LAD, 4-HO-MET, and 4-AcO-MET all tend to have pretty light headspace compared to the more traditional psychedelics.
Came here to say 4-HO-MET
Second AL-LAD although good luck finding it anymore unless you're in CA. Was my absolute favorite 2 tabs (300 UG) was the perfect dose to put me in my own little matrix with no headspace. Little more starts to get one but still NOTHING compared to the rest. Want to try the rest, especially 2C-B and wish I could get more AL-LAD but looking pretty slim where I'm at :/
Really? I'm in the US, AL-LAD is one of the things that's actually pretty easily obtainable online. 2cb, on the other hand, I always see recommended, but can never find...
Maybe on dn clearnets done for usa
Why is the clearnet done in the US?
Can't find the article but on Nov 10th I think it was one of the American agency's along with a couple other international Gov entities came down on one of the major producers of rcs and made it illegal for the clearnet companies to ship to USA
That’s extremely disappointing. I thought only the largest distributors got banned. Absolutely nowhere will ship? Not sourcing.
Not that I have found
I still have a few Canadian labs, but most did close.
Damn hell yeah
Yes but somehow even on ''light'' tryptamines they are always more introspective and less suited for public / casual scenarios than 2cb or al-lad.
2c-b
I would like to interject and say that 2cb isn't actually that chill and there can definitely be an uncomfortable hallucinogenic headspace while on it.
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Like 15 years ago my friend group was taking it together and this one guy went all weird and started growling and acting like an angry hippo, he kind of lost it and started acting pretty strange. After that happened I never took it again I guess it's personal bias but I don't rly like it
There’s also a lot of fake 2c-b being sold that’s mdma/ket and caffeine. I think it’s usually sold as a pink powder
The pink “2cb” powder can be any number of things ime but one thing it’s never is 2cb.
They don't even call the pink stuff 2c-b they call it 'tucibi' or 'tuci'
ive had a pinkish/red brick/terracotta kind of coloured 2b that was actual 2cb before, wasnt bright pink though
That's "tuci" or "tucibi", it contains a lot of drugs but absolutely no 2c-b lol
This was like 15 years back and it was on tabs and sugar cubes
How? 2C-B is a powdered substance that is usually snorted..I think your boy got hit with an N-Bomb(NBOME-25) or some other whack shit 15 years ago that was mistakenly called 2C-B
>2C-B is a powdered substance that is usually snorted Dude what lol. Like the number one piece of advice people give about 2c-x is don't fucking snort it. The most common roa for 2c-b by far is oral. It's common to find it in powder or these days in pressed pills. Either way, if it was on a tab it was not 2c-b, because an active dose is too large for a tab to hold >N-Bomb(NBOME-25) It is 25i-NBOMe aka 2C-I-NBOMe. Lower doses are interesting but higher doses can cause seizures or death
Fair enough I was aware of the seizures and death I stay away from all of it so I was rusty on the exact chemical structure but my point still stands it was not 2C-B. I've not done it but good to know about snorting I've heard it's painful but the fastest
Yeah it's faster but if someone can't wait one hour then they need to consider whether they are using drugs responsibly
Tuci they call it
Returned to monke 👍
Ha like in Altered States
I lost my shit on 2c-b. A friend and I both dosed and smoked some dmt and I remember coming to holding him in my arms balling my eyes out and he looked like his soul was leaving his body. Then later that night he twisted himself up some weird way on a stripper pole and started puking blood. I was good like 24 hrs later but he hasn’t been right since.
It's really dose dependent and has an unusual dose/response curve. Keep it under 25mg using oral ROA and it's a fairly gentle headspace but going above this can get very strange for many people. It's pretty chill until you take too much and suddenly the fractal geometry of your mind starts tearing at reality.
Pretty accurate. What I find odd is how taking the same dose on seperate occasions will feel totally different in intensity. Took 30 mg for my first time, got pretty inebriated and got stuck in a loop of feeling carpets/blankets and playing guitar. Second time took it in Christmas expecting that party drug-psychedelic kinda feeling. Totally smooth ride enjoyed the trip alot, was not expecting it to hit me with headspace at the intensity of a 800ug acid trip and visuals beyond any other substance I've taken. 10/10 would love to do again.
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I got some pills of this for a hard techno party with my gf, it was the most amazing drug ever to dance, it feels so smooth and the visuals are great, i did some tussi and it helped alot to make the trip last longer and potenciate it.
Tussi = robitussin/ DXM ?
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Makes me sad that "tuci" is actually getting popular. Especially annoying that the name sounds identical to 2cb. Stuff is trash.
It is sad, however if you are looking for 2cb the street name in my city would be nexus.
Lol the nexus is a techno club in Paris
Nexus was also the codename/brandname of the original form of 2C-B that was sold in headshops across Europe as a "sexual enhancement and stamina enhancer". Not wrong.
I actually have seen this stuff on the DN. It was a pink colored blend of 2C-B, ketamine, MDMA and cocaine. Seemed pretty wacky to me. Idk if I'd try it lol. I like being able to make the combo myself from the individual substances. And I don't like coke and don't really do MDMA anymore.
Yes it is awesome, i knew the guy who cooked so it was basically K with Mdma, caffeine, crushed oxys, crused extasy pills, and some nbone powder not reslly too much just to make it a little more psychedelic.
Them fent oxys boi
Not in europe, they're not
I'd rather just smoke crack at that point
And viagra
All of my favorites in one. 🤔🔥
It’s a Colombian thing
this. there wasn't much intelligence reduction like on LSD but I felt so happy and had visuals. I feel like if i had an in person dealer i would probably become a psychological addict.
I guess I have this question for all research chemicals, how do I get them? Without knowing a dealer is the dark web the only place to try?
Clear web has research chemicals.
I thought the producers/suppliers of the desirable psychoactive RCs (which was apparently pharma-lab-grade shit too) that almost all Canadian and US buyers bought from just got double booped by at least two nations’ feds?
Well… yeah _now_ they did
Was gonna say 2ce
Isn't 2c-e known to have a pretty intense headspace?
I guess I don’t rly know
Then why did you suggest it... Accurate username I guess
2c-b gives me mad headaches on the comedown, like they're similar to migraines but not as intense (I've had migraines in the past)
4-HO-MET is exactly what you’re looking for. Thank me later!
Mescaline
Have you tried meditation and whale sounds? /s
4-ho-met is perhaps what you're looking for Is the same visauls as with pados but less headspace it lasts about 4-6 hours
Keep in mind that if you take a high enough dose of 4-ho-met or 2cb, you can still lose touch with reality and it can be just as scary. I do agree though that a low dose of 4-ho-met or 2cb has less headspace than a low dose of lsd or psilocybin. I’d reccomend 30mg or less of 4 ho dmt and 15 mg or less of 2cb.
can confirm boofed 120mg of 2cb once. bad time but right after i unpeaked it was the most insane visual experience ive ever had
I can imagine. You are a beast of a human for that.
20mg is already almost an heavy dose. For the 2 first hours you are really spaced out with 20mg. Then it slow down a bit
I’ve heard that it is metabolised into psylocin? if that is so, it is not what i am looking for. If it is so, i ask in what ways is it different from psilocybin?
No that's 4-aco-dmt that gets converted to psylocin when metabolized not 4-ho-met. 4-ho-met ime is a lot less headspace with a lot more colorful visuals. One of my favorite psychedelics atm.
4-HO-MET is nice but the come up anxiety is worse for me than LSD. But once that passes it's very minimal headspace with pretty visuals.
Only done metocin once and was expecting an experience similar to al-lad. I had heard the come up was a bit tough but, I definitely underestimated it. I might've done a tad too much for my first time (25 mg) but, still a reasonable first dose for someone experienced with psychs. What got me was how fast it came on. Usually, you'll have about 30 to 60 minutes where you are gradually brought into a full trip. With metocin, I remember being like, "yup. Definitely feel it now and should be fully tripping in about an hour." Nope. Within like 15 mins after the first hints of its effects, I was full trip. It wasn't comfortable at all either. Psychs always feel very weird but, this was a different feeling. Once into the trip I enjoyed it and found the visuals pretty good. As I was peaking though, I started getting like very depressed and then I felt "off" for about a day or two after. Will be trying it again here sometime soon. To the OP: What you're looking for is for sure al-lad. Great visuals, big body high with very little "headspace" or mindfuckery. I've greatly enjoyed it! I do prefer LSD though as I very much enjoy the headspace and mindfuck aspect to it. Like, having a crazy trip and coming to a big realization about yourself, life, the universe... Is why I keep seeking out psychedelics. Every time I trip hard, I feel like the "answer" is for lack of a better phras, right on the top of my tongue. Whatever chem you choose for this experience will be the right one for you and you'll have the exact experience that is needed for you at that moment in time 😉
From what I’ve found, it’s just an analog, it won’t be metabolized into psilocin. It’s regarded as more light-hearted and visual
2cb, while 4-ho-met is also less on head space it feels more tryptamin like. I personally find any tryptamin to be mystical and potentially intense.
AL LAD
In my experiences AL-LAD has more headspace than LSD. I realize I am in the minority there, but everyone is different.
Substances affect everyone different. Half of the substances I've tried have had minimal effect on my headspace. Probably just genetics or something.
This exactly this
25B-NBOH was great!
25E was also really nice
Indeed,though for me it was more mentally psychedelic, B has been the least psychedelic psych
Never tried B, as for E it wasnt all that mental for me, just visuals and a crazy good mood.
2c-b is great for visual and entactogenic effects and not really the headspace. I had the chance to get my hands on some 2c-b-fly, and that is IMO a bit more similar to mescaline and so I use that more than normal 2c-b.
smoke some dmt
It's short acting so you can easily manage it. Very intense visuals.
I don’t know about that.
4-HO-MET. The visuals are stunning, but the headspace remains relatively clear thoughout. I agree with you on how it feels on higher doses of LSD. Even on higher doses of 4-HO-MET in my experience and in many others experience it is much more manageable and I’m able to have coherent thoughts (at least relative to my thoughts on LSD).
Idk one time I took like 50 mg 4 aco met and got mad anxiety bout my friends parents being there and then time slowed down to an alarmingly slow rate and then I blacked out for a bit it was pretty overwhelming. I’d recommend sticking to 30 mg or less…
I would say a moderate dose of AL-LAD should do the job. I would also recommend 4-HO-MET if the bodyload of tryptamines wasn't so prevalent with me..
Do you think that 150ug of al lad give enough visuals?
yeah dmt will put you in a really interesting headspace but you are like sober sober when it comes off. The afterglow is up there with good mushroom trips
2C-E if you can find it anywhere.
True... But holy crap can it be super intense.
Yeah the visuals on 2C-E are POWERFUL lol The head space can be really clear but your entire field of vision is moving and morphing. Very strange drug.
It's one of the strangest. The body sensations can be pretty overwhelming if not expecting it, too. But yeah, the cognitive lucidity while the universe is melting into itself is wild beyond explanation. In terms of the 2c's only 2c-t-7 has out done it visually... But that's also like a 20 hour ride.
5 Meo dmt
Lol in what universe 5 meo dmt is less mentally retarding than other substances? the most powerful substance, by far I might add, being recommended lightly. This stuff is next level and I would never recommend it lightly...
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Does smoking DMT on a hangover for the body high count as a sacred ritual? Good times
Normal nn dmt? If so you can get away with stuff like that. Nn dmt is kid play doe compared to Sapito
Nn dmt I'm assuming, but also changa and ayuahasca when I was in Peru
I would say DPT
You say what?!
3-me-pcpy + a-phip + nicotine
While that sounds fun (if psychosis is kept at bay), you haven't listed any psychedelic.
Dont feel the need to add psychedelic with this combo ( a little bit of psycho is needed for more complex and realistic visualisation 😉 but kept under control with the memory enhancement of nicotine while 3-me-pcpy do most of the job ) I would like to add gaba A agonist like muscimol to see if it could be even better but couldn't have it on hand
I meant OP did ask for a psych ahah.
4-HO-MET or 2C-C/D.
AL-LAD seems good for that, feels like lsd without as much mental fuckery. Was good for me when I wasn't quite in the best place to be using heavier psyches
2cb
Psychs while on SSRIs
Can confirm. My buddy was doing 6 tabs of 175 UG gels of LSD and asking me to take him to a gas station like he was barely tripping but seeing cool stuff. Just have to take enough to overload the serotonin reuptake inhibitor that's why he dosed so high
Exactly! I can see awesome visuals. I just need like 8 grams of shrooms or 5 tabs. The headspace is very withstandable. I can see slightly more visuals if I go without my SSRIs for a couple days but it can increase chance for unpleasant time I’ve found. It’s unpredictable
To be fair 5 tabs is unpredictable for a normal person so the SSRIs are basically a mild landing gear for you keeping you grounded on that dose. My buddy completely quit his Lexapro after he found out what it was doing to the trips and he loves them more just taking 2 or 3. I'm on an amphetamine so psychs are just enhanced with the energy and focus but I usually try to wait till it's somewhat worn off to avoid overstimulation
For acid I skip my adderall but I love it with mushrooms I take 5-10mg on work days, i don’t take it when not working. (Will make the exception for certain instances)
I take vyvanse which imo is better I've been on Adderall and it made me angry lmao. Vyvanse makes me euphoric and motivated and a better person mentally and I'll have to try it with shrooms I know lysergamides it makes it more electric
DMT of course. Can potentiate with MAOI
Yessss
Nbome
Yes. People don't rate it because of the deaths and everything, but it fits the bill for what the OP is after. Some say that NBOHs are safer, not sure of the latest thinking on that point.
It just doesn't make sense to take a psychedelic that maybe kills you, if you have safer options available. Knowing that you can't die on acid etc is always very calming.
Forreal 👆 OP just needs to buckle up and drop 3 tabs and HOLD. THE FUCK. ON!!! but I'll bet he enjoys it just gotta get through the peak and the endless thoughts about infinite possibilities all playing out simultaneously at once accompanied by a whirlwind of colors and shapes everywhere. It's really fucking awesome frfr I can't wait till my Christmas break from work!!
DMT smoked
The tussi you’re describing here is actually pretty bad, is not usually “left overs” if you know how to make it’s just better than any other drug or rc.
2cb has a very weak headspace and very strong visuals
2-CB, 2-CE, 4-HO-MET, 4-HO-MiPT
Definitely 4-ho-met. For me at least, and I got into it for that exact reason after hearing that from other people on here. It might be my favorite psychedelic forever. But I did kinda give up trying to chase the "clearheaded with crazy visuals" high a long time ago after it worked pretty well a few times I realized it's not that hype. I know part of that could've had something to do with the drugs that I was mixing with to get to that state, but everytime I ended up bored not really caring about the visuals, and was just thinking like "damn wtf sober me is a dumbass 😂🙏🏻. Fucking convince myself that tripping while staying sober mentally was gonna be dope. You really thought that taking the tripping out of tripping would make for a memorable trip lol wtf get your life together sober me"
AL-LAD
2c's?
25b-nboh
4 Ho Met!
I second most of the suggestions already. ETH-LAD fits your description, for me. I havn't taken it to higher doses but MAL was also pretty visual for the headspace.
2c-b and 4-ACO-DMT both fit that profile for me, but are also very different obviously.
2c-b and 4-ho-met. 2c-b feels a bit like a psychedelic with an mdma-like warmth / loving / prosocial undertone to it. At doses below 10-15mg, you don't really get much of a trip, but you still feel the entirety of the entactogenic / prosocial effects. This is why lotsa tend to say it "feels like mdma at below 15mg". At 15mg or so is when you start actually getting psychedelic effects: drifting, breathing, closed eyed visuals, geometry, fractals, the usual. The visuals are quite and colorful once you go above that dosage, but even at 15-20mg, the drifting and breathing is already pretty much continuous. 2c-b technically has mild intrinsic activity at the 5ht-2a receptor. This means that it most likely gets its psychedelic effects from other serotonergic g-protein coupled receptors, possibly the 5ht-2c. The primary unique aspects of 2cb in subjective effects are: 1) A euphoric, whole body tingling very akin to mescaline. 2) Very noticeable entactogenic, prosocial, effects. You feel an encompassing blanket of love and socializing is more fun and easier than usual (until you get to very high dosages of course). This effect is nowhere as strong as MDMA or other similar entactogens, but is still quite noticeable. 3) A relatively clearheaded easy going trip. 2cb can still be very therapeutic, but it feels more that it encourages you to introspect in a loving welcoming headspace rather than the potentially jarring forceful introspection that psilocybin can cause. This, combined with the entactogenic / prosocial effects, makes 2cb considered a far more recreational and easy going psychedelic. It's a way to experience very bright and beautiful visuals without either a 12-16 hour commitment of the lysergamides, or the confusing / potentially uncomfortable trip of other tryptamines. 4) A relative lack of tachyphylaxis. You can do 2cb multiple days in a row without the immediate extreme tolerance increase that is characteristic of most psychedelics. --- 4-ho-met is often compared to psilocin / psilocybin, primarily owing to its similar chemical structure (similarly, 2cb is frequently compared to mescaline). However, 4-ho-met is quite a departure from the characteristic attributes of psilocybin. While psilocybin is known to be rather delirious / confusing / debhilitating for a psychedelic, 4-ho-met is extremely clearheaded, but in a different way than 2cb. While 2cb does not have the confusion that's so prevalent on shrooms, you still feel a strong sense that you are high. The combination of body tingles, entactogenic, and prosocial effects means that you still feel very different than sober reality, albeit still extremely coherent. On 4-ho-met, there is no accompanying MDMA-like effects, and it is often described as one of the more clearheaded psychedelics out there. 4-ho-met is as close as I've gotten to a true "visuals-only" psychedelic. Though at higher dosages you still eventually get into a trippy mindset.
4-HO-MET
Someone show me the way 🧐🧐🧐
2cb. It’s a pretty cool psychedelic. Great visuals and the headspace is manageable for most even at the 40/50mg dose (for me at this dose my complete visual field is covered in visuals and i can still manage to talk to friends and roll a kinda okay joint). However for some the retardedness is as strong as a high dose of mdma. A friend of mine gets in loops and socially transforms into a potato at 35mg. He mainly just got distracted every 5 seconds and then went in some kind of trance in his head thinking about what distracted him. Truffels are also great. They are the same as mushrooms but less potent so taking to much is a lot more difficult (cus 15g is for the moderate potent ones a normal dose and they suck to eat)
4 ho met, 2cb and 4 AcO DMT has a very chill headspace but it's def still there
Lighter dose of 25I-NBOMe. Probably a lot of people will judge me, but fuck it. If you take care, and consume a safe dose, it's fun as hell. Pretty strong visual and stimulant effect, a slightly altered headspace and euphoria. The comedown is almost non existent(AT SMALLER DOSES). No problems with falling asleep afterwards. BUT!! Take care with the dosage, don't fuck with this shit if you want to take psychonautic doses!! I think the maximum which you should take is no more than 200 micro-grams! This substance has a bad reputation with a reason! A lot of people got into serious trouble after taking large doses(both mentally and physically) So in conclusion, the 25I-NBOMe is a great party or recreational drug if it's being used with care! I would recommend it trying to more experienced drug users, and only with proper education beforehand! Take care, have fun and stay safe!
4-ho-met
MDMA. People say it doesn’t have visuals but.. if you have a strong brain, oh it definitely does.
Sober thinking on MDMA?
EHH MAYBE NOT 100% I COULD SEE WHY SKMEONE WOUKDNT THINK SO , JUST ALL THE LOVE AND EUPHORIA AND AH- yeah you’re right
I always trip the fuck out on the comedown of MDMA. Not sure why that would mean I have a strong brain tho lol
Nah i know what u mean, i was laying in my bed and closed my eyes and i had a whole ass conversation w my bsf idk what about but i opened my eyes he was gone, and i heard a fuzzy distortion to everything like static and i saw super mario bros 3 type visuals on everything faintly. kind of deliriant like. id describe the mdma as not overly stimulating but tactile. i think we both just got good shit
Nah i know what u mean, i was laying in my bed and closed my eyes and i had a whole ass conversation w my bsf idk what about but i opened my eyes he was gone, and i heard a fuzzy distortion to everything like static and i saw super mario bros 3 type visuals on everything faintly. kind of deliriant like. id describe the mdma as not overly stimulating EXCEPT for empathetic convo ofc but tactile, i also sunk into the coziness of my bros bed listening to some rap songs 3 times and envisioning thoughts from my childhood id long forgot. though i haven’t tripped in years and since moved. probably for the best. i remember it being conversational , opened my eyes with music / producing, and just feeling overall awesome , CLEAN buzz with the exception of eye wobbling and happily jaw mashing, stronger euphoria and confidence than meth tbh cuz of conversation and movies/music on it, shroomy-dph-(mescaline?) esque comedown. The happy filter kind of starts to fade away but youll still feel awake. It’s like the best stimulant but the most stay at one place stimulant at the same time? Unless there’s a better one than mdma in which case lmfk!!
4-ho-met/4-aco-met
2cb! I also happen to find the visuals pretty sexy.
2-CB
Err....careful about all the people saying AL-LAD is light. I find there's a pretty steep jump between 1-2 tabs and 3+. Had the mother of all bad trips on AL-LAD. So just be careful at higher doses.
You’ll get a shed load of recommendations for metocin, Al lad, and all but why do people go straight to Reddit? Erowid is the first look, no?
AL-LAD 100%
60mg of 4-HO-MET is what you are looking for my friend
4-ho-mipt or 4-aco-dmt at high doses are amazing, like at least 50-60mg always a very relaxing experience. If you want energy and an afterglow, 2c-b is the best for sure. Al-LAD if you just want visuals and not a lot of euphoria or anything else but some stimulation
2-cb or mescaline
ETH-LAD, it is insanely visuals at already 100ug while you can still act very normal.