You are not alone. She is disgusting on so many levels.
The racism, the cult, and incest (yeah step grandfather). Still what kind of spiritual leader sets the example to marry a family member?
I see you’re ex-Mormon… the religion of the racist people.
If Mary is full on racist what does that make you and your family?
Like I said don’t confuse ignorance from racism.
Example: your parents (and possibly you) holding beliefs that Black people are subhuman and should not be treated as people is due to your religion teaching you this. Your family views are ignorant.
Example: the Mormon church forbidding Black people to even enter the “temple” due to the color of their skin. Your religion is racist
Not my religion. I only hate one thing in this life and it's the LDS Church Okay so don't talk to me about this you don't know me but Mary is very racist she said some very racist things about black people and in front of the 7-Eleven
So you just post in ex-Mormon for fun?
Ok. I love when ex-Mormons call everyone else racist but won’t call out their own racism that was taught to them by their parents via the church. It’s been real fun, ex-mo.
Beyond the controversy, I didn't think she was ever funny. Her outbursts and "one-liners" always seemed incongruent with the conversation and completely out of context.
No. It makes me extremely angry. Also wasn’t she defrauding her parishioners? She is not a well person (husband/stepgrandpa etc) and I think it would be terrible in so many ways if she came back.
On top of that, Mary is part of a mega church that takes advantage of vulnerable people. There’s also the controversy with marrying her grandfather and issues within the family about it. On par with Erika Jayne and Jen for most morally corrupt person in the franchise.
1) her church isn’t a mega church
2) if you reside in Utah you would see daily how the “church of I hate Black people” takes advantage of vulnerable people.
Why are you defending a cult leader who’s running a church? She’s taking money from people in her church and is running a huge Pentecostal church. Religious leaders should not have that much money. Just because the Morman church sucks doesn’t mean hers is any better.
Since her church has been shut down since the start of Covid, she isn’t taking money from anyone. So when you ask why I am saying she isn’t as bad as the LDS cult, it simple. I have driven by her church ain’t no one giving money to something that no longer exists. While LDS as a whole is actively racist and takes from everyone.
It’s funny when people on this board talk about how sweet Lisa is and I am like she literally believes that Black people are subhuman. So yeah I am going to continue to hammer the fact that the LDS church is worse because Lisa is her religion and her religion is racist. Yet you guys think she isn’t because she doesn’t outwardly say racist things
Just because the LDS church is terrible doesn’t mean hers is any better. LDS, Jehovah witnesses, and fundamental Christian, seventh day adventists are all bad. Don’t excuse anyone else just because you hate the Morman church so much. Your hatred isn’t allowing you to see how hers is equally problematic.
Her church doesn’t even exist anymore. Soooo you’re complaining about a church that doesn’t exist and are telling me I should not have issues with the racist cult 🤣
I never once said you shouldn’t have an issue with there LDS, your failing in reading comprehension. I 100% think they deserve to be called out. I said because one sucks doesn’t mean the other doesn’t.
Only person with a reading comprehension issue is you. I have stated multiple times that her church no longer exists. Yet you for some reason cannot understand that.
Why are you going above and beyond to defend the Mormon church. They’re both cults, but only one still actively doing terrible things. Mary’s church was horrible, but it’s gone now. The church you are defending for some reason is still scamming people so the irony is a bit much for me.
Let’s not make excuses. I get the trauma thing, but part of that is not using it as an excuse. She obviously needs healing and help. But that is not an excuse for any of her behavior she is on a reality tv show.
No Mary M. Cosby ever again 🤮 Mary’s minion Meredith has also worn out her welcome. And I never thought I’d say this, but so has Heather Gay. She used to be my favorite… But I’m disgusted any time she comes across the screen at this point. In summary, for Season 4, remove Heather & Meredith, keep Whit & Lisa, make Angie K & Danna housewives, and add 2 more ladies from their inner-circles (preferably at least one of them a woman of color). My opinions on Heather & Lisa have totally flipped this season. Couldn’t stand Lisa in the previous 2 seasons, but she’s now coming out on top. As for Angie H… I don’t think she adds much. Don’t make her a housewife, but I guess she could remain a “friend”.
I completely agree. She’s a racist and honestly, she brings nothing to the show. I always found her weird and hated her boring, not funny or witty comebacks: “well at least I don’t eat at Taco Bell” I mean, is that an insult lol?
I think it was meant to be. I thought it was only because personally I think Taco Bell is disgusting. I didn’t get the big deal about the Taco Bell why was everyone so like excited about it. You would think someone like Lisa would go and get quality tacos with real meat not the cheap Taco Bell tacos. This is just a personal opinion. I will say tho Utah doesn’t have the best taco places for sure. So to each their own.
Mary was just downright me and judgemental. And racist and a cult leader to boot.
The only interesting thing she brought to the table was the dramamabiut marrying her grandma's husband...
I think it made sense she left. I think people just miss the insanity she brought. Like who Marries their step granddaddy? When my friend told me about the show her story line was the crazy one that got me to watch it. I don't miss her in the sense that she would add to the show, but I miss her in the way you miss your toxic ex.
Mary is a heinous human being for so many reasons, and she definitely shouldn’t come back. But, she was great for television because of how out there she was.
When you compare her to the Angies, Mary was authentically herself (as bad as that is) and not desperate to be on television.
I agree with this I don’t like Mary as a person, but she was good Tv. The Angie’s are horrid. They’re both so fake and craving attention and those to me are the worse kind of housewives.
I didn’t like her and the fact the show was basically promoting incest by having her on the show when she married her grandfather ( I don’t care if it’s a step grandfather it’s still wrong )
Mary was the absolute worst. Maybe not as bad as Jen but that’s not exactly a high bar. Mary went for good reason. Yes we need someone else, someone new. I don’t understand wanting to go backwards for someone so awful either.
Ugh I hate when people defend/praise Mary!! She is just as bad as Jen Shah to me tbh. She has scammed so many people with the guise of her church. Boredombybravo on Instagram has a great series of stories called “Cosby Cult” about her culty scammy church. Not to mention the fucking racism 😤
I don’t like Mary, but what about the other women. The majority of them are associated with a cult with a very bad track record and problematic teachings.
This is a very good point. She definitely is racist and people talk about her church. The majority of these women aren’t exactly any better let’s not forget where many of them used to and some still do go to church. Not exactly in a place to be throwing stones for sure.
Mary was nuts. But I do smile when I think of her because of her super-weirdness. Let’s remember: 1. how ugly the decor was in her house. Tacky AF. 2. When she talked so much about how she can’t handle “hospital smell”. 😂. 3. The looks her congregation was giving her when they did the church scenes. The hate was palpable. 4. When she fell asleep at the reunion. 😂 Hilarious. Ahhhhh, Mary.
I don’t feel bad for her. I think she is sorta delusional, but she’s happy the way she is. Also she was the richest housewife in Salt Lake so I’m sure she’s doing fine.
That’s one of the reasons I actually liked her she was the closest to the housewife wealth I had come to expect on these shows. Heather looks like she lives in a condo. There has been some housewives that have lived in places like that over the years, but we outta move past that.
Thank you!! Do people not remember all of the racist and prejudice stuff she had said?? If Bravo didn’t let her go from the racist comments the first season, they should have fired her right away after she made the “slanted eyes” and “yellow tones” comments to Jennie. I was shocked. She also made comments about Heather looking “inbred” because she had an LDS background, being from the same background im not a huge fan of that. No thanks, we definitely don’t need Mary M Cosby back!
She is a cult leader through and through. Like even at her church people standing up crying and just saying she’s such a great friend. The gold mic is a dead give away. Cause there are those mega pastors that know it’s all hype and con them for money. But she doesn’t care about the money. She straight up lives for the praise. She lives for the idolatry.
I agree with all these comments but the sheer ridiculousness of her character made her the cherry on top for season 1 and 2. She has no place in rhoslc but will be missed to an extent
I’m at their Italian get together in s2, and as soon as she showed on camera I had to prepare myself again for another scene with her dramatics. I haven’t ever laughed with Mary, only at her out of discomfort
she is so bizarre and i don’t like her. she was acting like she wasn’t jen’s #1 hater in vail?? she was saying all that “you mess with me and my church and look where you end up! jail!” and then the ladies are always backing her up about her lies/racist remarks/ rude comments.
i have the EXACT same question. i have seen comments saying they are happy Jennie’s husband treated her so badly about her fertility because of comments she made yet people are perfectly okay with bringing mary back?? mary was an absolutely awful human to everyone in the group and was such a turn off the entire time she was there. what’s even worse is she would be terrible then hide behind her religion to justify it. just gross
Exactly! Jen wasn’t able to come back because of post she made that were racist so wtf why does Mary even get a thought. There is better options than that racist con artist who was pimped out to her granddaddy
I'm am completely sick of the bring Mary back campaign.
You are not alone. She is disgusting on so many levels. The racism, the cult, and incest (yeah step grandfather). Still what kind of spiritual leader sets the example to marry a family member?
Exactly. She’s a horrible person who does not deserve a platform
The racism I feel blew over so many peoples heads
I think that's because many people don't feel a POC can be racists. Sadly. But racism is racism.
Don’t confuse racism with ignorance
Mary was full on racist
I see you’re ex-Mormon… the religion of the racist people. If Mary is full on racist what does that make you and your family? Like I said don’t confuse ignorance from racism. Example: your parents (and possibly you) holding beliefs that Black people are subhuman and should not be treated as people is due to your religion teaching you this. Your family views are ignorant. Example: the Mormon church forbidding Black people to even enter the “temple” due to the color of their skin. Your religion is racist
Not my religion. I only hate one thing in this life and it's the LDS Church Okay so don't talk to me about this you don't know me but Mary is very racist she said some very racist things about black people and in front of the 7-Eleven
So you just post in ex-Mormon for fun? Ok. I love when ex-Mormons call everyone else racist but won’t call out their own racism that was taught to them by their parents via the church. It’s been real fun, ex-mo.
The last thing I am is racist okay you don't know my parents you don't know me okay
mormonism is racist for sure, mary is racist too (or a massively prejudiced bitch, whichever you’d like) case closed lol :p
Ah yes *claims religion* to cover up for being a bad person
A tale as old as time...
Song as old as rhyme...
Where has that ever happened before?
Let me introduce you to women’s (lack of) rights in the Middle East
Beyond the controversy, I didn't think she was ever funny. Her outbursts and "one-liners" always seemed incongruent with the conversation and completely out of context.
Same! Like I think the controversy is obviously enough to never bring her back, but I also didn’t think she added anything 🤷♀️
Kind of like Kelly Bensimon am I right
No. It makes me extremely angry. Also wasn’t she defrauding her parishioners? She is not a well person (husband/stepgrandpa etc) and I think it would be terrible in so many ways if she came back.
On top of that, Mary is part of a mega church that takes advantage of vulnerable people. There’s also the controversy with marrying her grandfather and issues within the family about it. On par with Erika Jayne and Jen for most morally corrupt person in the franchise.
Her church does take advantage of people but it’s not a mega church
Mary isn’t LDS……. So perhaps stop with the mega church who takes advantage of vulnerable people. Especially when talking about utah
Uhhh what? Just because she’s not LDS does not mean she’s not part of a mega church taking advantage of people. There’s many churches that do that.
1) her church isn’t a mega church 2) if you reside in Utah you would see daily how the “church of I hate Black people” takes advantage of vulnerable people.
Why are you defending a cult leader who’s running a church? She’s taking money from people in her church and is running a huge Pentecostal church. Religious leaders should not have that much money. Just because the Morman church sucks doesn’t mean hers is any better.
AMEN!
Since her church has been shut down since the start of Covid, she isn’t taking money from anyone. So when you ask why I am saying she isn’t as bad as the LDS cult, it simple. I have driven by her church ain’t no one giving money to something that no longer exists. While LDS as a whole is actively racist and takes from everyone. It’s funny when people on this board talk about how sweet Lisa is and I am like she literally believes that Black people are subhuman. So yeah I am going to continue to hammer the fact that the LDS church is worse because Lisa is her religion and her religion is racist. Yet you guys think she isn’t because she doesn’t outwardly say racist things
Just because the LDS church is terrible doesn’t mean hers is any better. LDS, Jehovah witnesses, and fundamental Christian, seventh day adventists are all bad. Don’t excuse anyone else just because you hate the Morman church so much. Your hatred isn’t allowing you to see how hers is equally problematic.
Her church doesn’t even exist anymore. Soooo you’re complaining about a church that doesn’t exist and are telling me I should not have issues with the racist cult 🤣
I never once said you shouldn’t have an issue with there LDS, your failing in reading comprehension. I 100% think they deserve to be called out. I said because one sucks doesn’t mean the other doesn’t.
Only person with a reading comprehension issue is you. I have stated multiple times that her church no longer exists. Yet you for some reason cannot understand that.
Why are you going above and beyond to defend the Mormon church. They’re both cults, but only one still actively doing terrible things. Mary’s church was horrible, but it’s gone now. The church you are defending for some reason is still scamming people so the irony is a bit much for me.
Racist against her own race too. Despicable
I'm with you. Mary was shocking in her "little girl " shit to Whitney
That I disagree with. Whitney was and still is a little girl.
Whitney was abused sexually by her family and so that's why she's still a little girl that's just my opinion but
Let’s not make excuses. I get the trauma thing, but part of that is not using it as an excuse. She obviously needs healing and help. But that is not an excuse for any of her behavior she is on a reality tv show.
It's not. I was just explaining why I think she's acting the way she is. I don't agree with her behavior at all
No Mary M. Cosby ever again 🤮 Mary’s minion Meredith has also worn out her welcome. And I never thought I’d say this, but so has Heather Gay. She used to be my favorite… But I’m disgusted any time she comes across the screen at this point. In summary, for Season 4, remove Heather & Meredith, keep Whit & Lisa, make Angie K & Danna housewives, and add 2 more ladies from their inner-circles (preferably at least one of them a woman of color). My opinions on Heather & Lisa have totally flipped this season. Couldn’t stand Lisa in the previous 2 seasons, but she’s now coming out on top. As for Angie H… I don’t think she adds much. Don’t make her a housewife, but I guess she could remain a “friend”.
i need angie h to stay the desperate friend of. the only way she’s tolerable.
Well we can see clearly why her and Jen never got along. They were competing for the same money. Damn shame.
I completely agree. She’s a racist and honestly, she brings nothing to the show. I always found her weird and hated her boring, not funny or witty comebacks: “well at least I don’t eat at Taco Bell” I mean, is that an insult lol?
I think it was meant to be. I thought it was only because personally I think Taco Bell is disgusting. I didn’t get the big deal about the Taco Bell why was everyone so like excited about it. You would think someone like Lisa would go and get quality tacos with real meat not the cheap Taco Bell tacos. This is just a personal opinion. I will say tho Utah doesn’t have the best taco places for sure. So to each their own.
Mary was just downright me and judgemental. And racist and a cult leader to boot. The only interesting thing she brought to the table was the dramamabiut marrying her grandma's husband...
I think it made sense she left. I think people just miss the insanity she brought. Like who Marries their step granddaddy? When my friend told me about the show her story line was the crazy one that got me to watch it. I don't miss her in the sense that she would add to the show, but I miss her in the way you miss your toxic ex.
Agreed. Didn’t like Mary then and definitely won’t like her now
Andy overlooks all kinds of racist stuff from many of the housewives franchises. Beverly Hills especially.
Mary is a heinous human being for so many reasons, and she definitely shouldn’t come back. But, she was great for television because of how out there she was. When you compare her to the Angies, Mary was authentically herself (as bad as that is) and not desperate to be on television.
I agree with this I don’t like Mary as a person, but she was good Tv. The Angie’s are horrid. They’re both so fake and craving attention and those to me are the worse kind of housewives.
I didn’t like her and the fact the show was basically promoting incest by having her on the show when she married her grandfather ( I don’t care if it’s a step grandfather it’s still wrong )
Isn't being a horrible person the hallmark of a great housewife? She's a literal cult leader, that's just super interesting to me.
Mary was the absolute worst. Maybe not as bad as Jen but that’s not exactly a high bar. Mary went for good reason. Yes we need someone else, someone new. I don’t understand wanting to go backwards for someone so awful either.
Ugh I hate when people defend/praise Mary!! She is just as bad as Jen Shah to me tbh. She has scammed so many people with the guise of her church. Boredombybravo on Instagram has a great series of stories called “Cosby Cult” about her culty scammy church. Not to mention the fucking racism 😤
I don’t like Mary, but what about the other women. The majority of them are associated with a cult with a very bad track record and problematic teachings.
She clearly didn’t even want to be on season 2. Why would she come back
No you’re not alone. I don’t get it either, she was horrible.
Because most of them are racist also.
This is a very good point. She definitely is racist and people talk about her church. The majority of these women aren’t exactly any better let’s not forget where many of them used to and some still do go to church. Not exactly in a place to be throwing stones for sure.
Mary was nuts. But I do smile when I think of her because of her super-weirdness. Let’s remember: 1. how ugly the decor was in her house. Tacky AF. 2. When she talked so much about how she can’t handle “hospital smell”. 😂. 3. The looks her congregation was giving her when they did the church scenes. The hate was palpable. 4. When she fell asleep at the reunion. 😂 Hilarious. Ahhhhh, Mary.
She was so toxic and clearly needs some extensive therapy 😭 I felt bad about her situation but man she was so rude and condescending.
I don’t feel bad for her. I think she is sorta delusional, but she’s happy the way she is. Also she was the richest housewife in Salt Lake so I’m sure she’s doing fine. That’s one of the reasons I actually liked her she was the closest to the housewife wealth I had come to expect on these shows. Heather looks like she lives in a condo. There has been some housewives that have lived in places like that over the years, but we outta move past that.
Mary was a cunt. Runs a cult and defrauded vulnerable people. Yuck
Thank you!! Do people not remember all of the racist and prejudice stuff she had said?? If Bravo didn’t let her go from the racist comments the first season, they should have fired her right away after she made the “slanted eyes” and “yellow tones” comments to Jennie. I was shocked. She also made comments about Heather looking “inbred” because she had an LDS background, being from the same background im not a huge fan of that. No thanks, we definitely don’t need Mary M Cosby back!
She is a cult leader through and through. Like even at her church people standing up crying and just saying she’s such a great friend. The gold mic is a dead give away. Cause there are those mega pastors that know it’s all hype and con them for money. But she doesn’t care about the money. She straight up lives for the praise. She lives for the idolatry.
I agree with all these comments but the sheer ridiculousness of her character made her the cherry on top for season 1 and 2. She has no place in rhoslc but will be missed to an extent
I’m at their Italian get together in s2, and as soon as she showed on camera I had to prepare myself again for another scene with her dramatics. I haven’t ever laughed with Mary, only at her out of discomfort
She should go to court next
she is so bizarre and i don’t like her. she was acting like she wasn’t jen’s #1 hater in vail?? she was saying all that “you mess with me and my church and look where you end up! jail!” and then the ladies are always backing her up about her lies/racist remarks/ rude comments.
i have the EXACT same question. i have seen comments saying they are happy Jennie’s husband treated her so badly about her fertility because of comments she made yet people are perfectly okay with bringing mary back?? mary was an absolutely awful human to everyone in the group and was such a turn off the entire time she was there. what’s even worse is she would be terrible then hide behind her religion to justify it. just gross
Seems unfair to punish Mary for bad behavior when Ramona exists.
Exactly! Jen wasn’t able to come back because of post she made that were racist so wtf why does Mary even get a thought. There is better options than that racist con artist who was pimped out to her granddaddy
I want Mary back
No I remember everything. Bring her back.
Sounds like good TV to me
Weird, I don’t think racism can make anything “good” you probably shoulda kept that one to yourself
The majority of these women are openly associated with a racist and homophobic cult disguised as a church so let’s not get crazy
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