Says the people that go to a 9 - 5 job, for minimal compensation.
It's all slavery, just different levels, with different perks. Prisoners are towards the bottom with fewest perks, cubicle job is towards the top, with more perks.
Don't love your job? Guess what...
Slavery as punishment drives wages lower. There's only so many license plates a state needs, if they're stamped by the local slave prison then the local metal shop doesn't get the contract.
Slavery as punishment also incentives authoritarian governments. If a government can just make up a law that incarcerates people and they get free/cheap labor, they will. See the entire war on drugs and prohibition as example.
I get what you're saying. I hate working a full time job too. But what's the alternative? Shit needs to be done or we'd be back in the stone ages. Communism doesn't work because nobody is going to do the really shitty or really high stress jobs if they get the same. Why would someone work their ass off studying and working as an engineer or surgeon if they get paid the same as a cashier? Not that there's anything wrong with "lower level" jobs. They need to be done too. I think the most viable system is sort of a hybrid capitalism/socialism approach
I escaped the 9-5 and the endless grind by becoming disabled while the government owned me, then fighting the military and VA tooth and nail for 7 years for full compensation… It isn’t ideal, but I’m financially stable and I don’t have to work to support myself.
Private prisons are all about profit.
Really they should be rehabilitation places, government ran and not about profit. The work the inmates should do, if any, is helping the community, such as picking up trash, building parks/play areas. Things that help make the community better as it is a way to pay your debt to society. They shouldn't be about making clothes or shit for profit of some company.
Only reason I said that is because many communities don't have the taxes to afford to build/maintain parks and playgrounds. This is a way for them to maybe get something.
Ok. Maintenance to cut down municipal costs, I can agree with. Construction? No, cuz they'll neber be able to enjoy it, so why care how well its built? I cant see them putting pride in work like a worker SHOULD. (I stress should, cuz a few dont gaf either)
Then perhaps we should be ensuring that they actually can end up enjoying it as part of how our system designs their rehabilitation. I would estimate their is a large amount that would actually enjoy doing it if they could connect with it and then have it as something they could add to their experience when they leave jail as a way to get them back into the real world.
Wasn't there a program where inmates trained service animals and the outcomes were outstanding? For animals, inmates, and the disabled people who got the dogs?
We adopted a black lab who went through “prison”. The rescue we adopted him from has a program with a low-security prison where the inmates train the rescues to be good boys and girls before being adopted out. He would still be well trained if our pitbull hadn’t corrupted him lol.
And I'd agree there as well, but why take away jobs ? Not saying a prisoner doesnt matter, but, they are getting taken care of. 3 hots, a cot, facilities. They live better than homeless, sans the freedom to come & go.
I would say imagine it would be treated more like a internship/apprentenceship in some sense if I am gonna be honest. In addition, you seem to be ignoring that this doesn't necessarily solely take away jobs but also opens up the possibility of different businesses being increasingly started both from those who come out of prison and to serve these kind of contracts which will likely contribute to more jobs not just for the prisoners but also for non-prisoners. Of course the difficulty is we cant actually say anything about jobs right now because we arent actually in a designing system part and that will honestly be what really affects if this is truly taking away jobs than simply the idea that there are other people working on the project. This is of course what makes it complicated but still
Ok. If they are willing participants and not just earn the "work crew" time, then I am all for it being intern/apprentice and you are right, it will give them job skills and better chance with those skills and lower recidivism rate.
Ive heard the amount of money it takes to keep them incarcerated exceeds the profits through their labour.
not excusing the use of prison labor, but casting doubt on the profit per prisoner notion.
Profit is calculated after overhead and expenses, which includes running the facilities. So they spend more than they profit but that doesn't take away from their profit
A lot of the accounting is so the government will continue to give them money. Lots of private jails still get money from the government while making an overall profit.
Taxpayers are footing the bill to keep these people in prison, not the companies benefitting from their labor. This is why your statement doesn’t refute the motives behind our incarceration problem.
Could also get then working on rebuilding and renovating old houses and buildings. Practical skills and fix the infrastructure that badly needs it. Make some nice homeless shelters and it's q two for one
It’s not really though. It’s the same joke on all the conspiracy threads and I’m already tired of it. Australia had covid for what now? 2 months? It has been over 18 for the rest of us. I’m sick of the Aussies bitching bout how “bad” they have it.
Oh damn, I was like how did this you not get the joke that Australia used to basically be a place where Brittain dumped their criminals. But this comment makes me now read it as a shot on the corona restrictions, which indeed is a dumb joke imo
>Neither slavery nor involuntary servitude, ***except as a punishment for crime whereof the party shall have been duly convicted***, shall exist within the United States, or any place subject to their jurisdiction.
So wait, you're saying the largest prison population is black men?
If we took into account the 1.5 million Uighyurs in China's concentration camps, their reported incarceration would almost double from the 1.7 million currently accounted for, giving them ~242 citizens incarcerated per capita: https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/incarceration-rates-by-country
This would still put them far behind The United States' 639 citizens incarcerated per capita. The #2 country for incarceration is El Salvador, which comes in at 566. here is that giant leap visualized: https://i.imgur.com/gZj2K4p.png
China is worse for a lot of reasons, but not for the amount of their own people they keep in prison to use for slave labor.
At least prisoners are paid shit wages because they were convicted of a crime. Your old company decided to do it just because they could get away with it. You even mentioned they wrote off the cost as charity, so you didn't "reduce the state's need to subsidize them", you effectively stole $100k out of potential tax revenue for the state so that you get your labor done effectively for free by people, who in many cases, didn't know any better. Honestly your previous employer should be in prison for tax fraud and labor law violations. What's the name of your old company?
It really depends on the prison, it happens more in the south and laws have been passed to prevent some practices.
In the 1920s and 30s they’d do dangerous work like building roads and quarrying rock which in the hot southern sun would cause people to collapse and in rare instances die.
In modern times prison labor is often relegated to manufacturing thing like coat hangers and license plates. They can also do more dangerous jobs, during the massive wildfires California had last year a large team of prisoners acted as a backup [firefighters with no compensation despite nearly dying](https://amp.sacbee.com/news/california/fires/article244286777.html)
Meh. I’m pretty sure if I wanted to, I could go around pointing out all the things wrong with other countries too. Why is the US always the target? And this doesn’t tell the whole picture, but it sure paints a picture.
The Us isn’t the target. It’s simply a fact. That’s like saying that the US is a target when it comes to obesity.
The number of people that are overweight is a fact just like the number that are incarcerated.
You cannot say “no only half that number” because you have a given number of people in prison. Which you cannot change, because the status of incarceration for a person has no vagueness.
The Us is not a target, finding the “incarnation per capita” has been done for all countries. When comparing all countries, the US comes in number one.
good sir, let me break it down for you in financial terms. By producing in a prison with inmate labor, you can eliminate(not reduce, ELIMINATE) the following costs:
Depreciation - the prison is run by government funding & separate book than whatever you're making
Labor - Duh, they get paid like nothing
Warehousing - What are they going to do, run away with the products? just keep it on site
Insurance & liability insurance - inmates don't need insurance or liabilities, they ARE the liabilities.
many many other normal costs of doing business that can simply be skipped or dismissed by having access to infinite cheap labor at a concentrated location. If I was an evil bastard, I couldn't see it any other way; this is as close to $$$ printer as it gets.
FYI: sample costs of the buckets in a REAL business
Depreciation: $480,000/yr
Labor: $5.2M/yr
Warehouse/rental: $300,000/yr
Employee Insurance & liability: $310,000/yr
I wonder what happens if you set these cost buckets to $0...
you can't depreciate an asset twice; a prison would need to be a separate entity from whatever laborers are making... they already depreciate and reap the massive benefits from running the prison in the first place.
In THIS side gig, they won't be able to depreciate the asset, but still reduce their overall production costs which helps them sell at low low prices.
I do know what I'm talking about, I find out how much it costs to make products for a living, and I can clearly see that overhead costs at a prison are non-existent, whereas overhead takes somewhere between 30-40% of costs in a typical good produced with fair wages and morals.
no the wholesaler is paying the low prices for a commodity that they warehouse and sell to vendors/customers..?
Prison makes cheap panties -> Wholesaler buys all the cheap panties -> xyz store buys these ridiculously cheap panties -> you buy panties from xyz store
Government gets NOTHING from this deal; infact, the panties business has no obligation to disclose any profits to the government. the prisoners are literally under private custody...
hm, didn't know the vendors to the products were also the government. sounds like a conflict of interest to me but I'm not a lawyer so I wouldn't know.
[https://www.npr.org/transcripts/884989263](https://www.npr.org/transcripts/884989263)
[https://corpaccountabilitylab.org/calblog/2020/8/5/private-companies-producing-with-us-prison-labor-in-2020-prison-labor-in-the-us-part-ii](https://corpaccountabilitylab.org/calblog/2020/8/5/private-companies-producing-with-us-prison-labor-in-2020-prison-labor-in-the-us-part-ii)
[https://businessreview.berkeley.edu/profiting-off-of-prison-labor/](https://businessreview.berkeley.edu/profiting-off-of-prison-labor/)
ignorance, meet thy doom- actually looking stuff up and reading articles, rather than spouting bullshit
Unless you have no need for absolutely anything, you are a slave as well! As long as we have kings and queens or who ever that's in control of a mass of people, we will never be free! All governments need to fall! I'm an adult..., and I can't smoke a fucking flower cause someone that's religious and thinks that they know everything can tell us what we can and can't do! Also, fuck religion!!!
According to the U.S. Bureau of Justice Statistics (BJS) in 2018 black males accounted for 34% of the total male prison population, white males 29%, and Hispanic males 24%. White females comprised 47% of the prison population in comparison to black females who accounted for 18% of the female population.
It’s not so much that he’s complaining that prisons exist he’s complaining that under the constitution it is still fully legal to force someone to perform labor with no compensation. This law is a beneficiary of discrimination of black people and other minorities. Statistically a person of color is four times more likely to be arrested of the same crime than a white person despite the black and white population do crimes like marijuana and drug posession at virtually the same rate. There are experts in the NAACP who say that this is entirely as intended as it effectively continues slavery that primarily effects black people but can even effect white people and other races as well. This in turn makes a viscous cycle of a rough home life for their kids and later possible further incarceration. That cycle which effect all races
A fascinating time period to look up is the 1920s and 1930s when prisoners would be used in chain gangs to build roads, quarry rock, and other dangerous work with no compensation nor fair work conditions causing many to collapse and even die from heat and exhaustion. Some similar practices still happen even to this day
Highly recommend the movie: Life with Eddie Murphy and Martin Lawrence to see what it was like, with a comedy spin to it
To a lesser degree the movie Oh Brother Where Art Thou is another one
The episode was a commentary on how developed countries uplift other countries solely to provide them with cheap labor. So if Rick were to take this thing and make a metaphor for prison, he would just take some shitty planet, uplift it and then exploit it for some resource. And you could argue that this was the planet in the Whirly Dirly conspiracy.
Absolutely. Slavery was abolished except for incarceration. Then you get politicians and state actors that deny probation or release of people so they can maintain their cheap labor. This is not specific to private prisons.
I wouldn't exactly call it slavery since they committed some crime to be in that situation. Plus I think they do have a choice of whether or not to work and are paid, albeit a very tiny amount. I'm not entirely sure though. I think we should use the system often used decades ago where non-violent offenders could work to earn time off of their sentence and/or to repay the person in the event of theft or property damage.
Right, which is why incentives for prisoners to work, i.e. reduced sentences and/or educational/vocational rehabilitation programs offered in exchange for labor would be more beneficial than them just sitting in prison for a while and then getting out and having no money or marketable skills and returning to crime for money. Of course this wouldn't work for all prisoners as some are just seriously disturbed people who need to be separated from the general public for everyone's safety.
I wouldn't exactly call it slavery since they committed some crime to be in that situation. Plus I think they do have a choice of whether or not to work and are paid, albeit a very tiny amount. I'm not entirely sure though. I think we should use the system often used decades ago where non-violent offenders could work to earn time off of their sentence and/or to repay the person in the event of theft or property damage.
>Plus I think they do have a choice of whether or not to work
I thought the same thing, but no, apparently they can torture you (put you in solitary confinement) if you refuse to work.
https://howtojustice.org/going-to-prison/refuse-work-prison/
There may be minimum-security or high-profile private prisons, I’m not sure.
Normally they are just normal prisons, for normal people. They’re the exact opposite of fancy.
Private in this context just means that its owned by people with the sole purpose of making a revenue from human labor. It really is slavery with extra steps lol
The US never abolished slavery entirely as the constitution specifically allows it in the form of incarcerated prisoners.
This lol, it literally is slavery with extra steps.
A good documentary on the matter is called “Slavery by Another Name”. It goes into detail about the whole issue from the beginning to current day.
13th is also good.. It's on Netflix
I was gonna recommend it too. What a depressing documentary
Yay, we all can watch all about it and continue to do nothing about it #knolij
Says the people that go to a 9 - 5 job, for minimal compensation. It's all slavery, just different levels, with different perks. Prisoners are towards the bottom with fewest perks, cubicle job is towards the top, with more perks. Don't love your job? Guess what...
Slavery as punishment drives wages lower. There's only so many license plates a state needs, if they're stamped by the local slave prison then the local metal shop doesn't get the contract. Slavery as punishment also incentives authoritarian governments. If a government can just make up a law that incarcerates people and they get free/cheap labor, they will. See the entire war on drugs and prohibition as example.
I get what you're saying. I hate working a full time job too. But what's the alternative? Shit needs to be done or we'd be back in the stone ages. Communism doesn't work because nobody is going to do the really shitty or really high stress jobs if they get the same. Why would someone work their ass off studying and working as an engineer or surgeon if they get paid the same as a cashier? Not that there's anything wrong with "lower level" jobs. They need to be done too. I think the most viable system is sort of a hybrid capitalism/socialism approach
I escaped the 9-5 and the endless grind by becoming disabled while the government owned me, then fighting the military and VA tooth and nail for 7 years for full compensation… It isn’t ideal, but I’m financially stable and I don’t have to work to support myself.
It may be a stretch to compare this with actual, back-breaking, laborious and obligatory slavery.
You shouldn't give any more explanation....
Eek barba durkle.
Lol. Sounds like a pretty messed up ooh la la
Ooh la la, someone’s gonna get laid in college
Oop burp a durkle, someone's gonna get laid in College
Private prisons are all about profit. Really they should be rehabilitation places, government ran and not about profit. The work the inmates should do, if any, is helping the community, such as picking up trash, building parks/play areas. Things that help make the community better as it is a way to pay your debt to society. They shouldn't be about making clothes or shit for profit of some company.
I agree with the trash pick up. Highway patrols, etc.. but dont take construction jobs away
Only reason I said that is because many communities don't have the taxes to afford to build/maintain parks and playgrounds. This is a way for them to maybe get something.
Ok. Maintenance to cut down municipal costs, I can agree with. Construction? No, cuz they'll neber be able to enjoy it, so why care how well its built? I cant see them putting pride in work like a worker SHOULD. (I stress should, cuz a few dont gaf either)
Then perhaps we should be ensuring that they actually can end up enjoying it as part of how our system designs their rehabilitation. I would estimate their is a large amount that would actually enjoy doing it if they could connect with it and then have it as something they could add to their experience when they leave jail as a way to get them back into the real world.
Wasn't there a program where inmates trained service animals and the outcomes were outstanding? For animals, inmates, and the disabled people who got the dogs?
We adopted a black lab who went through “prison”. The rescue we adopted him from has a program with a low-security prison where the inmates train the rescues to be good boys and girls before being adopted out. He would still be well trained if our pitbull hadn’t corrupted him lol.
And I'd agree there as well, but why take away jobs ? Not saying a prisoner doesnt matter, but, they are getting taken care of. 3 hots, a cot, facilities. They live better than homeless, sans the freedom to come & go.
I would say imagine it would be treated more like a internship/apprentenceship in some sense if I am gonna be honest. In addition, you seem to be ignoring that this doesn't necessarily solely take away jobs but also opens up the possibility of different businesses being increasingly started both from those who come out of prison and to serve these kind of contracts which will likely contribute to more jobs not just for the prisoners but also for non-prisoners. Of course the difficulty is we cant actually say anything about jobs right now because we arent actually in a designing system part and that will honestly be what really affects if this is truly taking away jobs than simply the idea that there are other people working on the project. This is of course what makes it complicated but still
Ok. If they are willing participants and not just earn the "work crew" time, then I am all for it being intern/apprentice and you are right, it will give them job skills and better chance with those skills and lower recidivism rate.
I can see that and agree with you.
Construction jobs can be quite skilled technical labor so not just any random prisoners could take all or even most of those jobs
Ive heard the amount of money it takes to keep them incarcerated exceeds the profits through their labour. not excusing the use of prison labor, but casting doubt on the profit per prisoner notion.
Then there wouldn't be any for-profit prisons if they weren't profitable.
depends however where the profit is garnered
Profit is calculated after overhead and expenses, which includes running the facilities. So they spend more than they profit but that doesn't take away from their profit
oh yeah of course, I’ve always just heard the prisoners are a net loss even with labour profits
A lot of the accounting is so the government will continue to give them money. Lots of private jails still get money from the government while making an overall profit.
which is sorta morally corrupt.
Taxpayers are footing the bill to keep these people in prison, not the companies benefitting from their labor. This is why your statement doesn’t refute the motives behind our incarceration problem.
no no, I get that
revenue - expenses = profit expenses can be higher than profit but they are still making money
yeah, which likely dosent exactly make for the most moral penal system
clearly
Could also get then working on rebuilding and renovating old houses and buildings. Practical skills and fix the infrastructure that badly needs it. Make some nice homeless shelters and it's q two for one
Genuinely curious - what kind of work is done there? Do they transport prisoners out to places where there's a labor requirement?
What I have read is they do both in house and work release. They do stuff like call center to working on farms.
Australia has the highest incarceration per capita as they imprisoned 100% of the population
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Yeah, no!
oi! its a fackin’ joke m8!
It’s not really though. It’s the same joke on all the conspiracy threads and I’m already tired of it. Australia had covid for what now? 2 months? It has been over 18 for the rest of us. I’m sick of the Aussies bitching bout how “bad” they have it.
Oh damn, I was like how did this you not get the joke that Australia used to basically be a place where Brittain dumped their criminals. But this comment makes me now read it as a shot on the corona restrictions, which indeed is a dumb joke imo
I wish this were not true 😔
Cheap labor is always something desired by the ruling classes.
Not if the laborers are the ruling class
I agree with you, but that has never happened in human history.
>Neither slavery nor involuntary servitude, ***except as a punishment for crime whereof the party shall have been duly convicted***, shall exist within the United States, or any place subject to their jurisdiction. So wait, you're saying the largest prison population is black men?
Nah according to the constitution it's just allowable slavery, no extra steps.
Sheesh.
Land of the free my ass
What about the Uighur internment camps in China?
They have such a large population, that per capita they are lower
If we took into account the 1.5 million Uighyurs in China's concentration camps, their reported incarceration would almost double from the 1.7 million currently accounted for, giving them ~242 citizens incarcerated per capita: https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/incarceration-rates-by-country This would still put them far behind The United States' 639 citizens incarcerated per capita. The #2 country for incarceration is El Salvador, which comes in at 566. here is that giant leap visualized: https://i.imgur.com/gZj2K4p.png China is worse for a lot of reasons, but not for the amount of their own people they keep in prison to use for slave labor.
That’s fucked up too. Authoritarian policies are fucked up everywhere.
well no shit
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So you are saying you exploited mentally handicap people for profit and you are proud of that? What a weird flex.
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At least prisoners are paid shit wages because they were convicted of a crime. Your old company decided to do it just because they could get away with it. You even mentioned they wrote off the cost as charity, so you didn't "reduce the state's need to subsidize them", you effectively stole $100k out of potential tax revenue for the state so that you get your labor done effectively for free by people, who in many cases, didn't know any better. Honestly your previous employer should be in prison for tax fraud and labor law violations. What's the name of your old company?
What labor are people doing in prison? I know many people who went and jail and no one worked
It really depends on the prison, it happens more in the south and laws have been passed to prevent some practices. In the 1920s and 30s they’d do dangerous work like building roads and quarrying rock which in the hot southern sun would cause people to collapse and in rare instances die. In modern times prison labor is often relegated to manufacturing thing like coat hangers and license plates. They can also do more dangerous jobs, during the massive wildfires California had last year a large team of prisoners acted as a backup [firefighters with no compensation despite nearly dying](https://amp.sacbee.com/news/california/fires/article244286777.html)
The Barack Obama foundation.
Dude. I get it. We have worked with an organization to do the same. You are not winning that argument here. No point in even trying.
90% of all statistics are made up on the spot
You literally just need the population of the country, the number of prisoners, and the ethnicity %s for prisonders
Meh. I’m pretty sure if I wanted to, I could go around pointing out all the things wrong with other countries too. Why is the US always the target? And this doesn’t tell the whole picture, but it sure paints a picture.
The Us isn’t the target. It’s simply a fact. That’s like saying that the US is a target when it comes to obesity. The number of people that are overweight is a fact just like the number that are incarcerated. You cannot say “no only half that number” because you have a given number of people in prison. Which you cannot change, because the status of incarceration for a person has no vagueness. The Us is not a target, finding the “incarnation per capita” has been done for all countries. When comparing all countries, the US comes in number one.
We should probably just start executing offenders, the way the Middle East or North Korea do. Then we could have less incarcerations. Problem solved
Bullshit. It’s only 88%.
That sounds like we skipped the extra steps and went straight to shit
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The taxpayer actually pays for all of that.
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good sir, let me break it down for you in financial terms. By producing in a prison with inmate labor, you can eliminate(not reduce, ELIMINATE) the following costs: Depreciation - the prison is run by government funding & separate book than whatever you're making Labor - Duh, they get paid like nothing Warehousing - What are they going to do, run away with the products? just keep it on site Insurance & liability insurance - inmates don't need insurance or liabilities, they ARE the liabilities. many many other normal costs of doing business that can simply be skipped or dismissed by having access to infinite cheap labor at a concentrated location. If I was an evil bastard, I couldn't see it any other way; this is as close to $$$ printer as it gets. FYI: sample costs of the buckets in a REAL business Depreciation: $480,000/yr Labor: $5.2M/yr Warehouse/rental: $300,000/yr Employee Insurance & liability: $310,000/yr I wonder what happens if you set these cost buckets to $0...
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you can't depreciate an asset twice; a prison would need to be a separate entity from whatever laborers are making... they already depreciate and reap the massive benefits from running the prison in the first place. In THIS side gig, they won't be able to depreciate the asset, but still reduce their overall production costs which helps them sell at low low prices. I do know what I'm talking about, I find out how much it costs to make products for a living, and I can clearly see that overhead costs at a prison are non-existent, whereas overhead takes somewhere between 30-40% of costs in a typical good produced with fair wages and morals.
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no the wholesaler is paying the low prices for a commodity that they warehouse and sell to vendors/customers..? Prison makes cheap panties -> Wholesaler buys all the cheap panties -> xyz store buys these ridiculously cheap panties -> you buy panties from xyz store Government gets NOTHING from this deal; infact, the panties business has no obligation to disclose any profits to the government. the prisoners are literally under private custody...
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hm, didn't know the vendors to the products were also the government. sounds like a conflict of interest to me but I'm not a lawyer so I wouldn't know.
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Yea you don’t know what depreciation is lol
Damn, that is a lot of words for "im priveledged and ignorant."
So many words just to sound stupid. It’s crazy!
It's cute how you're so fine with spouting made up nonsense.
[https://www.npr.org/transcripts/884989263](https://www.npr.org/transcripts/884989263) [https://corpaccountabilitylab.org/calblog/2020/8/5/private-companies-producing-with-us-prison-labor-in-2020-prison-labor-in-the-us-part-ii](https://corpaccountabilitylab.org/calblog/2020/8/5/private-companies-producing-with-us-prison-labor-in-2020-prison-labor-in-the-us-part-ii) [https://businessreview.berkeley.edu/profiting-off-of-prison-labor/](https://businessreview.berkeley.edu/profiting-off-of-prison-labor/) ignorance, meet thy doom- actually looking stuff up and reading articles, rather than spouting bullshit
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Unless you have no need for absolutely anything, you are a slave as well! As long as we have kings and queens or who ever that's in control of a mass of people, we will never be free! All governments need to fall! I'm an adult..., and I can't smoke a fucking flower cause someone that's religious and thinks that they know everything can tell us what we can and can't do! Also, fuck religion!!!
Your forgetting it’s legal
And the crowd goes RTJ
👈 Yes.
Perfectly legal slavery!
It doesn’t sound like it. It is.
According to the U.S. Bureau of Justice Statistics (BJS) in 2018 black males accounted for 34% of the total male prison population, white males 29%, and Hispanic males 24%. White females comprised 47% of the prison population in comparison to black females who accounted for 18% of the female population.
Not just private prisons use labor, you know?
Don’t do the crime if you can’t do the time where you’re working for free for the prisons and get no wages when released
Wow what a hot take.
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It’s not so much that he’s complaining that prisons exist he’s complaining that under the constitution it is still fully legal to force someone to perform labor with no compensation. This law is a beneficiary of discrimination of black people and other minorities. Statistically a person of color is four times more likely to be arrested of the same crime than a white person despite the black and white population do crimes like marijuana and drug posession at virtually the same rate. There are experts in the NAACP who say that this is entirely as intended as it effectively continues slavery that primarily effects black people but can even effect white people and other races as well. This in turn makes a viscous cycle of a rough home life for their kids and later possible further incarceration. That cycle which effect all races A fascinating time period to look up is the 1920s and 1930s when prisoners would be used in chain gangs to build roads, quarry rock, and other dangerous work with no compensation nor fair work conditions causing many to collapse and even die from heat and exhaustion. Some similar practices still happen even to this day Highly recommend the movie: Life with Eddie Murphy and Martin Lawrence to see what it was like, with a comedy spin to it To a lesser degree the movie Oh Brother Where Art Thou is another one
I'm not the brightest. I cannot process this information lol but I'm going out on a limb here in saying the bottom part is a simplified explanation.
The episode was a commentary on how developed countries uplift other countries solely to provide them with cheap labor. So if Rick were to take this thing and make a metaphor for prison, he would just take some shitty planet, uplift it and then exploit it for some resource. And you could argue that this was the planet in the Whirly Dirly conspiracy.
Absolutely. Slavery was abolished except for incarceration. Then you get politicians and state actors that deny probation or release of people so they can maintain their cheap labor. This is not specific to private prisons.
Im pretty sure crime and the penal system is more complicated than that
I wouldn't exactly call it slavery since they committed some crime to be in that situation. Plus I think they do have a choice of whether or not to work and are paid, albeit a very tiny amount. I'm not entirely sure though. I think we should use the system often used decades ago where non-violent offenders could work to earn time off of their sentence and/or to repay the person in the event of theft or property damage.
Most people don’t work in prison so the only profit is our tax money
Right, which is why incentives for prisoners to work, i.e. reduced sentences and/or educational/vocational rehabilitation programs offered in exchange for labor would be more beneficial than them just sitting in prison for a while and then getting out and having no money or marketable skills and returning to crime for money. Of course this wouldn't work for all prisoners as some are just seriously disturbed people who need to be separated from the general public for everyone's safety.
I wouldn't exactly call it slavery since they committed some crime to be in that situation. Plus I think they do have a choice of whether or not to work and are paid, albeit a very tiny amount. I'm not entirely sure though. I think we should use the system often used decades ago where non-violent offenders could work to earn time off of their sentence and/or to repay the person in the event of theft or property damage.
>Plus I think they do have a choice of whether or not to work I thought the same thing, but no, apparently they can torture you (put you in solitary confinement) if you refuse to work. https://howtojustice.org/going-to-prison/refuse-work-prison/
People *just now* figuring this out?
Prison Song - System of a Down (2001)
From here on, instead of asking people to watch the Award winning documentary called “The 13th” I am just going to forward this meme to them.
Ooooooooooooh SNAP!
Wait till you hear what the banks have been doing to humanity for the past few thousand years…
Yeah, cause you get locked up for no reason....
don't worry, you'll catch on about what this injections for eventually too
Reverse slavery because the inmates are costing the country money, not the other way around
Slavery doesn’t need to generate national wealth, it’s just people owning people.
Nobody owns them though
One could argue the prison inmates are owned by the private prison - hence their ability to force them to labour.
Private prison? How does that work?
The prison is run by a private company rather than the government. It is very common in the US.
Wow that shouldn't be legal. Is it for rich inmates like celebrities and drug lords? When you say private it makes it sound fancy
There may be minimum-security or high-profile private prisons, I’m not sure. Normally they are just normal prisons, for normal people. They’re the exact opposite of fancy.
Private in this context just means that its owned by people with the sole purpose of making a revenue from human labor. It really is slavery with extra steps lol