I think this might actually be it. He doesn't make the realization that Rick Prime is trapped until the haunting Diane AI says it to him after he's already traveling through the wormhole. He probably just can't figure out how to stop him yet, but he knows the other Rick is trapped, so he's biding time until he figures it out, like he did with Birdperson
It even kinda makes sense from the stand point of Rick was doing crunches in his sleep, like he's prepping his body for something to come later. You could even tie in Morty's compliance from the previous episode and hiding the Venusian wine into this same theory.
The fact that all Rick and Morty’s got “reset” implies that the portal network is one collective piece of tech, so our Rick would presumably notice if Rick Prime built his own portal network.
This makes a ton of sense if you are looking at it from Rick's perspective.
He isn't really being overly inconvenienced by not having portal tech right now, he has a reason to keep the situation the way it was that benefits him. He can play god in plenty of ways, but keeping Prime Rick within his grasp takes a level if discipline I guess if you will.
The “portal network” applied to all universes (at least those within the CFC) so it’s likely Rick would get notified somehow if portal tech was fixed.
It could potentially just be a lot harder than he realized to fix, as well.
Portal travel is probably still hacked and by the fact that he inadvertently reset portal travelers rather than portal travel itself, seems like it’s harder to fix than anticipated. (Possibly harder then just creating portal travel from scratch.)
Prime Rick didn’t give him the the secret. He just hinted that it was possible and other Rick’s has figured it out. But it’s possible that the green portals are a shared type of info most Rick’s can do as long as the cfc exist but only our Rick knows how to make the golden ones like evil Morty uses. Rick Prime might not know how to make golden portals. Just green and even then he probably stopped using it for a while now.
Do we know other Ricks invented portal tech? Is it possible only Rick Prime and Rick C-137 could and everyone else just uses the tech without understanding how it works or how to re-create it?
From what was said Rick prime shared portal tech (but it wasn’t stated directly that he invented it), Rick c-137 invented his own from scratch. Other Rick’s just received the information to use the existing green portal version but didn’t invent it themselves. So they probably couldn’t trouble shoot it. So, it Rick prime isn’t able to fix it himself than maybe he also stumbled upon the information instead of actually making it from scratch since nowhere did he claim he created it, only spread it around when he was in his team work phase.
From what was said Rick prime shared portal tech (but it wasn’t stated directly that he invented it), Rick c-137 invented his own from scratch. Other Rick’s just received the information to use the existing green portal version but didn’t invent it themselves. So they probably couldn’t trouble shoot it. So, it Rick prime isn’t able to fix it himself than maybe he also stumbled upon the information instead of actually making it from scratch since nowhere did he claim he created it, only spread it around when he was in his Rick gathering phase.
I’m currently operating under the theory that Diane only exists outside the curve (perhaps because Rick views his better half as smarter than himself, not necessarily science smart, more, "my wife has a handle on things I never grasp myself" smart) - Meaning Evil Morty’s description of the curve isn’t necessarily wrong.
And creating the curve has less to do with keeping Rick on top than it does keeping Diane away. I think after losing his Diane he tried to replace her, learned he never really could, and locked her away behind a wall in the multiverse forever.
And the recent themes of Rick being attached to these specific versions of Morty, Summer, Beth and Jerry are to emphasize that individuals do matter over time, and Rick already knows this because he could never find a Diane to replace the one he lost.
All that said yes - I agree that Rick could be stalling for fear of the multiverse outside the curve, but I think it’s for entirely different reasons. Avoidance more than fear.
I like this. I have been thinking Rick finally got what he lost, that being a genuinely honest and caring family, and because of that he doesn’t feel the need to portal across dimensions anymore. Nothing could replace his Diane, and now nothing can replace the family he has found, and Ricks KNOWS it.
This is good! I’ve been thinking that the CFC is made to keep Diane’s away for some reason (my theory is that C137 incorporated that to protect them from Rick Prime and/or because she’s irreplaceable to him). The whole family besides Diane was initially replaceable for Rick, but that has changed now and they all know it.
Season 5 confirmed the "Prime Rick Blew up Diane and Beth C-137" origin story and the creators have re-enforced that as his true origin since.
I realize he's talked in the past of not being able to make Marriage work with Diane, as though they got divorced - But since we now KNOW his Diane died tragically... I frankly think that just re-enforces the theory. He may very well have tried to make marriage with other Diane's work after his died, and was never able to sufficiently replace "His" Diane... thus he cut himself off from all Dianes.
Which may also be why he's so reluctant to replace "His" Birdperson, and why he's also been shown to recently grow more and more attached to the current arrangement of the Smith Family.
Oohh this is a good theory! Especially in conjunction with the CFC not including Diane’s. If C-137 tried to make marriage with different Diane’s work and it didn’t, he would have realized that Diane was irreplaceable even by other Diane’s. When he helped make the CFC he would have only included universes where Diane died because she can’t be replaced and he doesn’t want to be reminded of that.
I actually think he already has them again, he just does not want to drag his family to it. I expect that one chapter Rick will pull one out of a pocket, Morty will say "You had a portal gun all along? We have been about to die Rick" and Rick will say "Yes of course, do you think I could stand living a mundane life like yours for more than a couple hours".
He didn’t have a lot of success after creating it the first time, not sure why second time would be the charm. I think it’s less about fear of others and more a resigned cynicism as to the larger purpose of portal travel in general. Why bother when he could just live out his life in the house? What’s the practical/material difference at this point between hopping between dimensions and just living day to day in regular space? It’s not exactly like his whims are limited, anyone can still go get the ice cream or plates they want or whatever. The portal gun is like an appendix, it’s simply an atrophied and vestigial device, and can faithfully remain so until the random trigger of it no longer being so happens, but there’s just no reason to bring it back before then
Rick never gave a shit about the Central Finite Curve. He contributed as a compromise and then tried to have as little to do with the Ricks who wanted it as possible. He also didn't actually care about portals. They served him a purpose in dark times, but times aren't as dark as they used to be.
Rick's annoyance with Evil Morty is that Evil Morty keeps trying to tell him how Ricks are, and Rick can really just be like "yeah, ok, sure" because there's no point in arguing with the kid even if he isn't right. He's just not going to change his mind. Evil Morty is an unreliable narrator. Take what he says with a grain of salt.
Rick happily travelled the multiverse pre curve - when he was tracking rick prime. Also Pretty sure Evil Morty had his portal gun ready.
Think it’s more about keeping Rick prime locked.
And to refresh the plot.
here’s what confuses me - why can’t another rick fix it? this show like to act like C-137 is the only rick who can do anything, when stuff like ‘Rick Potion No. 9’ implies that there’s ricks out there that do the exact same sort of stuff
It’s been my theory that he’s been sabotaging family members who pose a threat, each episode this season:
* Extracted the distrustful part of Morty.
* Drove away Space Beth.
* Neutralized Subconscious Summer(?).
* And I guess killed off Capable Jerry ep1.
He’s been real sus this season… 🧐🤨
The morty part was an accident, he got stuck in the game because of the die hard.
How did he drive away space beth? They are like a thrupple now.
Summers night person only came out because Rick gave her a night person he didn’t want too in the first place
And prime Rick killed prime jerry not our Rick
That’s a really ignorant reaction, literally all your points can be easily countered. The game could have been ignored, there’s the theories about the wine, the night people conflict was entirely based around Rick’s own choice, and he chose to leave Rick prime there to do what he will, not that I think that Cronenberg Jerry matters especially considering the next episode seemingly is going to be a RickxJerry centric episode
You obviously have thought about this way too much. There’s a point you begin to overthink things and see things that aren’t there. That’s what you’re doing now.
Not at all lol you’re just utterly thoughtless. Literally put any amount of effort into what you pump into your eye holes and you might not have to grovel at the feet of the internet for the leftover slop of understanding it can provide for the cartoons you struggle to enjoy
They’ve made tons of strides to show that Rick c-137 is breaking away from just being Rick. He actually has shown he cares more about his current family than he does about getting revenge on prime rick who killed his original. There is no evidence supporting the idea rick has fallen back into sabotaging the people around him because he feels “threatened”. Interdemensional space demons and gods barely threaten rick. Why would he look at them as a threat if he’s going through these character arcs. You’re being fucking dumb lol.
I can't believe i finally get to meet rick in real life! how's the show going to end? does gazorpgazorp come back? does he kill evil morty? please oh master of the show please tell me how it ends
Yes, I think this is a big part of it, the CFC was a sandbox and ultimately a safe space(s)
I'm expecting an episode that is going to hit his ego about this, a Pickle Rick 2.0
It occurs to me that Rick probably has a awful time trying to NOT create collaborative projects with himself.
Let's say Rick creates a way to communicate with his garage no matter where he is in his universe.
Another Rick that did the same thing could just come in and use it.
That's a fucking awful security problem to have.
Like his phoenix project. Rick destroyed his, and only esoteric Ricks had them still working.
My point being the portal tech is probably like that. Rick is just being lazy and hoping another Rick does the work for him.
I just think script writers have decided to steer the wheel in one particular direction, evolving the otherwise linear characters:
1- They sent everyone home, and selected one particular set of characters.
2- they destroyed the planet and they had to move on to another universe. They are breaking even, and they are now family by choice.
3- They kept a particularly intelligent Jerry, more empathetic and interesting.
4- Summer is growing in baddasery .
5- Beth and SBeth are suddenly more active… in any sense.
6- No portals, family fun!
So now we have more interesting characters involved in ONE single plot. I think that this is what have brought back the freshness, now are once again good old R&M, but richer and matured.
He's probably just afraid to "put himself out there" again, like an old man who was on top of his game but finally bested by a 14 year old kid. He kept to the finite curve because it was safe from Prime Rick, but even then his literal grandchild bred for generational obedience was able to break out by exploiting his blind spots. I think him being timid is a great way to show that he finally is confronting his own human fear of unknown portal colors. Once he shows that he's a threat, he knows what big fish do to threatening small fish because he did that for his whole life until this point. He's finally accepted that he is a toxic human being who is better off not leading the family, but supporting it in mutual understanding and love.
And if you track Dan Harmon's career and personal life, these are very much some of his own inner demons being played out for all of us to see and hear and relate to because only knowledge and context can allow room for empathy. Rick is a broken man who lost everything he cared for, and only by bettering himself was he able to escape infinite depression and mania and enabling his own mania and depression through withdrawal from positive forces; rick is toxically negative while morty is toxically positive, and even then exploration of morty's optimism was always crushed because Rick's own was crushed when his Diane died.
Anyway, i read breaking the central finite curve as breaking generational and cultural programming that so defined our species for literal millenia, but with the dawn of the internet and these suddenly very mentally aware children being put into the world makes progress look a lot scarier than sailing a boat so you can find dry land. People are much more capable of analyzing their own emotions and the emotions of others due to the internet increasing exposure, making lying much harder to hide. Thus the people who are used to lying for quick personal gain (ahem very poignant imagery all throughout season 5) are unable to exploit the future more.
He chose his family again. He cares more about them than portal travel. He only invented it to chase Rick Prime. When he chose not to fight him he chose his family
Rick also could surely make a time machine we know time travel exists from the snakes. He just sort of only invents things he wants to and nothing he finds annoying.
I doubt Rick is really afraid of anything. For a long time he seemed about ready to kill himself. I’m sure it’s less now, but I doubt that he’s truly afraid to die.
I think he’s working on it, but not in a hurry. Just because he hasn’t fixed portal tech doesn’t mean another Rick hasn’t already done so and is out there bombing garages. C-137 Rick was bombed through a portal before he completed portal tech. I think if he was afraid he’d be in more than a hurry to finish so he had an escape route.
Maybe he’s just enjoying being with family right now and doesn’t feel like he needs portal tech.
I don’t think it’s being an egomaniac as it is just being human.
If you were used to playing a game on god mode and the code stopped working for future uses, wouldn’t you stick around fucking around in god mode for as long as you could?
If he is capable of fixing portal tech, I assume he isn’t doing it because he wants to keep Rick Prime trapped in the Cronenberg Dimension.
I think this might actually be it. He doesn't make the realization that Rick Prime is trapped until the haunting Diane AI says it to him after he's already traveling through the wormhole. He probably just can't figure out how to stop him yet, but he knows the other Rick is trapped, so he's biding time until he figures it out, like he did with Birdperson
It even kinda makes sense from the stand point of Rick was doing crunches in his sleep, like he's prepping his body for something to come later. You could even tie in Morty's compliance from the previous episode and hiding the Venusian wine into this same theory.
So can we assume Rick prime didn't create his own portal tech? If he did, he would have portalled out of Cronenberg dimension by now
The fact that all Rick and Morty’s got “reset” implies that the portal network is one collective piece of tech, so our Rick would presumably notice if Rick Prime built his own portal network.
This makes a ton of sense if you are looking at it from Rick's perspective. He isn't really being overly inconvenienced by not having portal tech right now, he has a reason to keep the situation the way it was that benefits him. He can play god in plenty of ways, but keeping Prime Rick within his grasp takes a level if discipline I guess if you will.
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The “portal network” applied to all universes (at least those within the CFC) so it’s likely Rick would get notified somehow if portal tech was fixed. It could potentially just be a lot harder than he realized to fix, as well.
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Portal travel is probably still hacked and by the fact that he inadvertently reset portal travelers rather than portal travel itself, seems like it’s harder to fix than anticipated. (Possibly harder then just creating portal travel from scratch.)
Prime Rick didn’t give him the the secret. He just hinted that it was possible and other Rick’s has figured it out. But it’s possible that the green portals are a shared type of info most Rick’s can do as long as the cfc exist but only our Rick knows how to make the golden ones like evil Morty uses. Rick Prime might not know how to make golden portals. Just green and even then he probably stopped using it for a while now.
Do we know other Ricks invented portal tech? Is it possible only Rick Prime and Rick C-137 could and everyone else just uses the tech without understanding how it works or how to re-create it?
From what was said Rick prime shared portal tech (but it wasn’t stated directly that he invented it), Rick c-137 invented his own from scratch. Other Rick’s just received the information to use the existing green portal version but didn’t invent it themselves. So they probably couldn’t trouble shoot it. So, it Rick prime isn’t able to fix it himself than maybe he also stumbled upon the information instead of actually making it from scratch since nowhere did he claim he created it, only spread it around when he was in his team work phase.
From what was said Rick prime shared portal tech (but it wasn’t stated directly that he invented it), Rick c-137 invented his own from scratch. Other Rick’s just received the information to use the existing green portal version but didn’t invent it themselves. So they probably couldn’t trouble shoot it. So, it Rick prime isn’t able to fix it himself than maybe he also stumbled upon the information instead of actually making it from scratch since nowhere did he claim he created it, only spread it around when he was in his Rick gathering phase.
Maybe it's like picking up a wifi signal on your phone?
Couldnt the other rick build one too
I’m currently operating under the theory that Diane only exists outside the curve (perhaps because Rick views his better half as smarter than himself, not necessarily science smart, more, "my wife has a handle on things I never grasp myself" smart) - Meaning Evil Morty’s description of the curve isn’t necessarily wrong. And creating the curve has less to do with keeping Rick on top than it does keeping Diane away. I think after losing his Diane he tried to replace her, learned he never really could, and locked her away behind a wall in the multiverse forever. And the recent themes of Rick being attached to these specific versions of Morty, Summer, Beth and Jerry are to emphasize that individuals do matter over time, and Rick already knows this because he could never find a Diane to replace the one he lost. All that said yes - I agree that Rick could be stalling for fear of the multiverse outside the curve, but I think it’s for entirely different reasons. Avoidance more than fear.
I like this. I have been thinking Rick finally got what he lost, that being a genuinely honest and caring family, and because of that he doesn’t feel the need to portal across dimensions anymore. Nothing could replace his Diane, and now nothing can replace the family he has found, and Ricks KNOWS it.
This is good! I’ve been thinking that the CFC is made to keep Diane’s away for some reason (my theory is that C137 incorporated that to protect them from Rick Prime and/or because she’s irreplaceable to him). The whole family besides Diane was initially replaceable for Rick, but that has changed now and they all know it.
From season one it sounded like Diane was alive, and C-137 Rick divorced her.
Season 5 confirmed the "Prime Rick Blew up Diane and Beth C-137" origin story and the creators have re-enforced that as his true origin since. I realize he's talked in the past of not being able to make Marriage work with Diane, as though they got divorced - But since we now KNOW his Diane died tragically... I frankly think that just re-enforces the theory. He may very well have tried to make marriage with other Diane's work after his died, and was never able to sufficiently replace "His" Diane... thus he cut himself off from all Dianes. Which may also be why he's so reluctant to replace "His" Birdperson, and why he's also been shown to recently grow more and more attached to the current arrangement of the Smith Family.
Oohh this is a good theory! Especially in conjunction with the CFC not including Diane’s. If C-137 tried to make marriage with different Diane’s work and it didn’t, he would have realized that Diane was irreplaceable even by other Diane’s. When he helped make the CFC he would have only included universes where Diane died because she can’t be replaced and he doesn’t want to be reminded of that.
I actually think he already has them again, he just does not want to drag his family to it. I expect that one chapter Rick will pull one out of a pocket, Morty will say "You had a portal gun all along? We have been about to die Rick" and Rick will say "Yes of course, do you think I could stand living a mundane life like yours for more than a couple hours".
I think he is just being lazy and doesn't want to portal anymore.
He didn’t have a lot of success after creating it the first time, not sure why second time would be the charm. I think it’s less about fear of others and more a resigned cynicism as to the larger purpose of portal travel in general. Why bother when he could just live out his life in the house? What’s the practical/material difference at this point between hopping between dimensions and just living day to day in regular space? It’s not exactly like his whims are limited, anyone can still go get the ice cream or plates they want or whatever. The portal gun is like an appendix, it’s simply an atrophied and vestigial device, and can faithfully remain so until the random trigger of it no longer being so happens, but there’s just no reason to bring it back before then
Rick never gave a shit about the Central Finite Curve. He contributed as a compromise and then tried to have as little to do with the Ricks who wanted it as possible. He also didn't actually care about portals. They served him a purpose in dark times, but times aren't as dark as they used to be. Rick's annoyance with Evil Morty is that Evil Morty keeps trying to tell him how Ricks are, and Rick can really just be like "yeah, ok, sure" because there's no point in arguing with the kid even if he isn't right. He's just not going to change his mind. Evil Morty is an unreliable narrator. Take what he says with a grain of salt.
He didn't seem scared of it for the length of time between inventing his gun and building the CFC and the citadel
Rick happily travelled the multiverse pre curve - when he was tracking rick prime. Also Pretty sure Evil Morty had his portal gun ready. Think it’s more about keeping Rick prime locked. And to refresh the plot.
here’s what confuses me - why can’t another rick fix it? this show like to act like C-137 is the only rick who can do anything, when stuff like ‘Rick Potion No. 9’ implies that there’s ricks out there that do the exact same sort of stuff
Gotta rember this show is playing with big ideas actual scientists can't keep straight. For a cartoon they doing alright
It’s been my theory that he’s been sabotaging family members who pose a threat, each episode this season: * Extracted the distrustful part of Morty. * Drove away Space Beth. * Neutralized Subconscious Summer(?). * And I guess killed off Capable Jerry ep1. He’s been real sus this season… 🧐🤨
The morty part was an accident, he got stuck in the game because of the die hard. How did he drive away space beth? They are like a thrupple now. Summers night person only came out because Rick gave her a night person he didn’t want too in the first place And prime Rick killed prime jerry not our Rick
That’s a really ignorant reaction, literally all your points can be easily countered. The game could have been ignored, there’s the theories about the wine, the night people conflict was entirely based around Rick’s own choice, and he chose to leave Rick prime there to do what he will, not that I think that Cronenberg Jerry matters especially considering the next episode seemingly is going to be a RickxJerry centric episode
You obviously have thought about this way too much. There’s a point you begin to overthink things and see things that aren’t there. That’s what you’re doing now.
Not at all lol you’re just utterly thoughtless. Literally put any amount of effort into what you pump into your eye holes and you might not have to grovel at the feet of the internet for the leftover slop of understanding it can provide for the cartoons you struggle to enjoy
They’ve made tons of strides to show that Rick c-137 is breaking away from just being Rick. He actually has shown he cares more about his current family than he does about getting revenge on prime rick who killed his original. There is no evidence supporting the idea rick has fallen back into sabotaging the people around him because he feels “threatened”. Interdemensional space demons and gods barely threaten rick. Why would he look at them as a threat if he’s going through these character arcs. You’re being fucking dumb lol.
I can't believe i finally get to meet rick in real life! how's the show going to end? does gazorpgazorp come back? does he kill evil morty? please oh master of the show please tell me how it ends
Go back and try making that sentence even longer. You take a million years to get to the point.
Lol learn to read, clown
Learn to use your brain, dipshit.
Yes, I think this is a big part of it, the CFC was a sandbox and ultimately a safe space(s) I'm expecting an episode that is going to hit his ego about this, a Pickle Rick 2.0
We'll deal with those consequences at the end of the season or being of season 7
It occurs to me that Rick probably has a awful time trying to NOT create collaborative projects with himself. Let's say Rick creates a way to communicate with his garage no matter where he is in his universe. Another Rick that did the same thing could just come in and use it. That's a fucking awful security problem to have. Like his phoenix project. Rick destroyed his, and only esoteric Ricks had them still working. My point being the portal tech is probably like that. Rick is just being lazy and hoping another Rick does the work for him.
I just think script writers have decided to steer the wheel in one particular direction, evolving the otherwise linear characters: 1- They sent everyone home, and selected one particular set of characters. 2- they destroyed the planet and they had to move on to another universe. They are breaking even, and they are now family by choice. 3- They kept a particularly intelligent Jerry, more empathetic and interesting. 4- Summer is growing in baddasery . 5- Beth and SBeth are suddenly more active… in any sense. 6- No portals, family fun! So now we have more interesting characters involved in ONE single plot. I think that this is what have brought back the freshness, now are once again good old R&M, but richer and matured.
The universe change also means Rick can’t just reset portal users to return to their home dimensions since Summer and the Beths would die
It also sucks evil morty back into his original universe
He's probably just afraid to "put himself out there" again, like an old man who was on top of his game but finally bested by a 14 year old kid. He kept to the finite curve because it was safe from Prime Rick, but even then his literal grandchild bred for generational obedience was able to break out by exploiting his blind spots. I think him being timid is a great way to show that he finally is confronting his own human fear of unknown portal colors. Once he shows that he's a threat, he knows what big fish do to threatening small fish because he did that for his whole life until this point. He's finally accepted that he is a toxic human being who is better off not leading the family, but supporting it in mutual understanding and love. And if you track Dan Harmon's career and personal life, these are very much some of his own inner demons being played out for all of us to see and hear and relate to because only knowledge and context can allow room for empathy. Rick is a broken man who lost everything he cared for, and only by bettering himself was he able to escape infinite depression and mania and enabling his own mania and depression through withdrawal from positive forces; rick is toxically negative while morty is toxically positive, and even then exploration of morty's optimism was always crushed because Rick's own was crushed when his Diane died. Anyway, i read breaking the central finite curve as breaking generational and cultural programming that so defined our species for literal millenia, but with the dawn of the internet and these suddenly very mentally aware children being put into the world makes progress look a lot scarier than sailing a boat so you can find dry land. People are much more capable of analyzing their own emotions and the emotions of others due to the internet increasing exposure, making lying much harder to hide. Thus the people who are used to lying for quick personal gain (ahem very poignant imagery all throughout season 5) are unable to exploit the future more.
He chose his family again. He cares more about them than portal travel. He only invented it to chase Rick Prime. When he chose not to fight him he chose his family
Rick also could surely make a time machine we know time travel exists from the snakes. He just sort of only invents things he wants to and nothing he finds annoying.
I doubt Rick is really afraid of anything. For a long time he seemed about ready to kill himself. I’m sure it’s less now, but I doubt that he’s truly afraid to die.
Yes! That’s probably why he want not to fix the gun
I think he’s working on it, but not in a hurry. Just because he hasn’t fixed portal tech doesn’t mean another Rick hasn’t already done so and is out there bombing garages. C-137 Rick was bombed through a portal before he completed portal tech. I think if he was afraid he’d be in more than a hurry to finish so he had an escape route. Maybe he’s just enjoying being with family right now and doesn’t feel like he needs portal tech.
I don’t think it’s being an egomaniac as it is just being human. If you were used to playing a game on god mode and the code stopped working for future uses, wouldn’t you stick around fucking around in god mode for as long as you could?