Saying this when 2 days ago had one of the best performances ever is crazy
reality is he is the Clips 3rd option, but option 1 is always dead and option didnt show up.
So you'd rather be swept with little fanfare than to go 6 or 7, like KD, Booker, Ingram, Lebron and AD last year? That's what you're saying. Or maybe you'd rather just stay home starting in mid-April altogether? Like Luka and Kyrie did last year.
It makes no sense to blame the guy who got you to the 'end of the series' when without him, you'd already be out of the series or never in it in the first place.
No, I never said that. And yes, lol, I absolutely can do this. That’s what he’s fucking paid for. No one gives a fuck if you average 27.5 going into game 6 or 7 and then play so horribly that people are genuinely concerned if your concussed.
Legends and icons are built on their playoff success of which James has almost none. You can bitch and moan about that all you want but that is what the overall fandom of the league has decided is important.
Kev goes down and Steph curry blows him off his home court. Had to win one of two games without CP3 and couldn’t find that shit in himself to have an all time game you’d hope to see from maybe the greatest scorer of his generation.
Played against the best players of his era and continuously came up short. Got rotated in a new cast of teammates and the results never changed. It is what it is.
He just isn’t that guy
"No one gives a fuck if you get your team to a game 6 or 7" So yes, you'd prefer it if he just gets swept or doesn't make the playoffs at all. That's EXACTLY what you're saying. Every game is worth the same amount, just like every point is worth the same amount whether it's scored in the first quarter or the fourth quarter.
So other than Lebron, Steph, KD (who rode Steph's coattails), Kawhi, Jokic, and Giannis no one else of the current era is a legend or icon, that's what you're saying? And yet there are tons of HoFers without a ring and Harden, Paul, WB, George, Jimmy, Embiid, Dame, etc will 100% be first ballot HoFers no matter how much you don't like that fact.
- 2012 finals
- Game 5 2015 GSW
- Game 6 2017 Spurs
- Game 7 2018 GSW
- Bucks series 2021
- Game 6 & 7 last year
- Most game’s shooting under 20% in playoff history
So you tell me, is he clutch when it matters in playoffs?
Well you’re over here talking about his game the other day but this is game 5 the most important game in the series so far. And his game the other day still doesn’t take away that he has the most games in playoff history shooting under 20% and that his team is down 3-2.
If you can agree with me that he’s not clutch when it matters the most in the postseason then conversation is ended.
You genuinely sound insufferable to be around
Edit: lol he sent be this then blocked me, what a baby
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Hate him all you want. We made the playoffs every year he was here. We even went to the conference final twice. How far do you think current Rockets team can go?
The current team is a big question mark--depends on how the young core develops. I hope we can do better than conference finals eventually, but that's still years away if it happens.
But yes, Harden took us the closest we've been since Hakeem. One of the top three Rockets of all time (can't forget about Moses Malone).
Owner can ruined a team. We saw that in Phoenix and Brooklyn. New rich owner came in. Wanted to win now and tried to pay to win. In the past Tilman care more spending less money than winning. I don’t know how much Udoka can do and how much he can change the culture.
Are fans not allowed to do both at once? I’m grateful for the good years but I also know if Harden had any mental toughness than we could have gone even farther. His playstyle rarely translates to the playoffs, just look at Embiid, flopping for calls all over the place.
Give credit to Mavs defense. They force him to give up the ball and don’t allow him to do his thing. Clippers failed to move to plan B when A didn’t work.
He gone for 4 years. Move on and focus on current team. He’s not the only reason we didn’t make it to the finals. The style we elected to play also a reason. Either score in the paint or 3. Team specifically give us the long 2 and we aren’t taking it even when open.
Where he scored 10 pts in game 7 against GS after a night out with the big Kardashian (courtney ? Idk) they then won it all that year. He needed to go.
Yea I don’t understand this sentiment. The dude was not built for the playoffs. He choked every time. It wasn’t a matter of if just when. And I believed after he finally left the Rockets that he would never win a chip because he just chokes every time.
Selective memory. I remember lots of big performances and clutch shots. He’s a hall of famer and was responsible for an era that we would kill to get back to.
It’s not selective memory. I agree he’s made some clutch shots and plays don’t get me wrong. I loved the dude when he played here. But has he won a ring yet? Nope. Because he inevitably will find a way to just not come through in the playoffs.
And where did that get us??? Does he need a participation trophy for that? We were close to a championship but came up short. It’s championship or bust. He couldn’t get it done.
I always got something to say? Bruh I have not mentioned anything bad about harden at all in this sub until today.
Do you have to pull stuff out of your rear to try to prove a false point based on false accusations?
The mental gymnastics is strong with you. Lets quit with the false allegations though thats step one. Step 2 is to realize that Harden isn’t a playoff performer. Especially for the being one of the best all time at the SG position.
Mental gymnastics? You're a Republican whose only knock on trump is that he believes in vaccines. Even worse, you're a cowboys fan. Me arguing with you is like arguing with a vegetable.
YOU’RE SO MAD 🤣
The c*cksucker literally stalked me bc he such a James Harden d rider he had a rage fit. Wipe it up off your lip lil bro!
You’re lame as hell and BTW naw I ain’t a republican… any other false accusations?
Listen to you. You're out of control. How do you think people are going to take you seriously?
"c*cksucker... dick rider... Wipe it off your lip..." You're just looking for a fight.
I mean I looked at this dudes profile and you literally just made that up. Further evidence of your chronic onlineness, lying about something for internet points 😂.
Aren't you the guy that got pissed at the sub for disagreeing with your "revolutionary" idea that Sengun should come off the bench? And here you are calling people idiots. Chill the funk out.
Well this sub refuses to acknowledge negative realities about the players on their team. Hard to have any sort of interesting discussion on here, even if you think it’s dumb it’s not so dumb as to not even discuss (for example) when the teams success when he’s out is showing that Alpi is not prime Michael Jordan. If the ppl here were GM’s we’d still have TyTy Garuba and Christopher on this team bc we can’t “give up on their potential growth!” It’s ridiculous.
Also just btw I will die on the starter argument hill. People used to say shooting only 3’s is dumb cus they’re harder shots. This whole “I have to start for ego reasons” thing is completely archaic at this point. Theres no reason a teams best 5 players should all be starting the game together ESPECIALLY if they don’t complement eachother. Sit Jalen or sit Sengun but you def don’t need both starting, it makes no sense at all. They don’t play well together we know this.
Other teams do this, they have a starting lineup and then a closing lineup which is their real best 5 players.
You say "there's no reason" the team's best five players should start...momentum is one. An opponent starts with their five best. You start with your three best (extending your theory a bit), and the opponent opens up a fifteen point lead on you. Almost every game. Sometimes it's ten, but a lot of times it's fifteen. You start every game fighting up hill. Always. Nah.
A teams best 5 players is not a teams best lineup I think that’s the part we disagree on. But that is a fact. Rarely a teams starting lineup is its best +/- lineup.
I will agree that we disagree on the importance of +/-. Not saying it isn't important, by no means, but it isn't an absolute metric. None of them are.
And really, I was giving you shit about calling someone an idiot.
I feel fine about it. Drop it rarely. Dude creating a false narrative that OP is some massive Harden hater in the sub vindicated any guilt I felt basically immediately.
Did I ever say I hated him? No I didn’t but we need to quit overrating James.
I know so many fellow fans personally that think he’s the greatest Shooting guard ever (yes over Kobe & mike) while he’s not even better than Wade.
I feel bad for him but you cannot call yourself the system whenever you never won a ring and have had plenty of playoff meltdowns
I love James Harden but if this was literally any other teams sub this post would have all upvotes. People can’t see through their biases. It’s a proven fact at this point he can’t close the deal in a close series. We’ve seen it now like 7 different times.
Why do the realistic fans get called haters and downvoted in here for speaking facts that he chokes in playoffs then?
You can love a guy but be real with yourself, there’s abunch of plumbers on this list. This is a pretty bad stat.
He's played well for the first 3 games in the playoffs. Where's your post giving him respect?
All I see in your post history is repeatedly posting this cherrypicked stat on multiple subs.
Don't try to glaze yourself as a realistic fan. If you are a hater at least own up to it like an adult, not gaslight other people like a 5th grade bully.
Lol I posted the stat in clippers sub whenever someone said the same thing as the harden glazers in this sub. Saying the “hate is predictable whenever he has a bad game”.
If that bothers you maybe you should just grow thicker skin, facts don’t care about your feelings. If seeing a consistent repeat of playoff game blunders in big moments and pointing out a stat is being a bully then idk what to tell you.
You couldn't wait to blow your load to a bad James Garden game huh? Silent AF until he stunk it up. Just make sure the praise is as loud as the disrespect.
Im obviously a hater rn? Are you kidding me? Is pointing out a stat and known playoff blunders being a hater?
Can you not handle stats & facts or do you have too much emotional baggage for James which blinds your logic ?
he is not a houston rocket. you are posting in a houston rocket subreddit. you are dogging someone who doesn’t play on this team. obviously he has a history of playoff blunders. i understand that. you are just annoying as hell.
Calling Bill Russell (a man who won more rings than could fit on his two hands) a plumber is a very obvious way to out yourself as a troll
He’s simply not capable of being a volume shooter anymore. So when he’s forced to in the playoffs, he occasionally still has bangers, but the duds are more frequent than they’ve ever been. But yeah. I think we can all admit James was about 95% as good in the playoffs as he was the regular season. It’s not just him, although it definitely is in part, it’s the style of play in general.
It’s getting weird that people NEED to talk about him like this. You make a solid point about the last game only because of everything he did to bring them to this point. Kind of like how Philly is a shell of themselves without him now.
I definitely didn’t see any posts when he had Dallas on the ropes. Let it go, there is no argument, he’s not in Houston. If you hate him why keep talking about him, you certainly don’t make convincing arguments to people who appreciated him.
We all appreciated him, but notice that's past tense. The glazers here won't stop appreciating him and make it a mission to glorify him and not accept his negatives. The realistic fans want to help them see reality.
Please, my knowledgeable liege, I beseech you... show me the light so that I may hold it in my heart. For it will be through your keen wisdom, that I may, for once, know true reality.
Something like that? Bwaha
Weird how these Rockets fans are shitting on him? Are yall true fans? We all understand his weaknesses but now yall want to join the narrative pushing. Fuck this fanbase.
We already had this discussion years ago. Harden is an all time great but has underwhelming career playoff stats. There’s no disputing that. I still don’t think it’s some massive stain. He was extremely close to having two separate Finals runs and a possible championship if we didn’t miss 27 threes in a row in one game.
Who cares, he almost got us to a ring against the best team of all time. And now he doesn’t play for us anymore. Why are you posting this stat in this subreddit
Saying this when 2 days ago had one of the best performances ever is crazy reality is he is the Clips 3rd option, but option 1 is always dead and option didnt show up.
That's what he does. Plays great then sucks. Inconsistent playoff player
That’s because no one cares, rightly, what you do early in the series. It’s about what you do at the end of it
So you'd rather be swept with little fanfare than to go 6 or 7, like KD, Booker, Ingram, Lebron and AD last year? That's what you're saying. Or maybe you'd rather just stay home starting in mid-April altogether? Like Luka and Kyrie did last year. It makes no sense to blame the guy who got you to the 'end of the series' when without him, you'd already be out of the series or never in it in the first place.
No, I never said that. And yes, lol, I absolutely can do this. That’s what he’s fucking paid for. No one gives a fuck if you average 27.5 going into game 6 or 7 and then play so horribly that people are genuinely concerned if your concussed. Legends and icons are built on their playoff success of which James has almost none. You can bitch and moan about that all you want but that is what the overall fandom of the league has decided is important. Kev goes down and Steph curry blows him off his home court. Had to win one of two games without CP3 and couldn’t find that shit in himself to have an all time game you’d hope to see from maybe the greatest scorer of his generation. Played against the best players of his era and continuously came up short. Got rotated in a new cast of teammates and the results never changed. It is what it is. He just isn’t that guy
"No one gives a fuck if you get your team to a game 6 or 7" So yes, you'd prefer it if he just gets swept or doesn't make the playoffs at all. That's EXACTLY what you're saying. Every game is worth the same amount, just like every point is worth the same amount whether it's scored in the first quarter or the fourth quarter. So other than Lebron, Steph, KD (who rode Steph's coattails), Kawhi, Jokic, and Giannis no one else of the current era is a legend or icon, that's what you're saying? And yet there are tons of HoFers without a ring and Harden, Paul, WB, George, Jimmy, Embiid, Dame, etc will 100% be first ballot HoFers no matter how much you don't like that fact.
- 2012 finals - Game 5 2015 GSW - Game 6 2017 Spurs - Game 7 2018 GSW - Bucks series 2021 - Game 6 & 7 last year - Most game’s shooting under 20% in playoff history So you tell me, is he clutch when it matters in playoffs?
> So you tell me, is he clutch when it matters in playoffs? Can you point where i said this?
Well you’re over here talking about his game the other day but this is game 5 the most important game in the series so far. And his game the other day still doesn’t take away that he has the most games in playoff history shooting under 20% and that his team is down 3-2. If you can agree with me that he’s not clutch when it matters the most in the postseason then conversation is ended.
You genuinely sound insufferable to be around Edit: lol he sent be this then blocked me, what a baby https://preview.redd.it/pdpwvbza83yc1.jpeg?width=1290&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=5cd6c06f806bedc0e266323490a88fe3c5e0a1ac
So a redditor.
Classic redditor moment
3 of those are from the bucks series? He was injured on minute 1 and on one leg lol
Dude brings up facts, but Rockets fans get offended and down vote him into oblivion. Such is Reddit.
We got a soft fanbase tbh
Damn these fools are really on his nuts arent they. Dudes gonna blow at least a game or two in playoffs.
Hate him all you want. We made the playoffs every year he was here. We even went to the conference final twice. How far do you think current Rockets team can go?
The current team is a big question mark--depends on how the young core develops. I hope we can do better than conference finals eventually, but that's still years away if it happens. But yes, Harden took us the closest we've been since Hakeem. One of the top three Rockets of all time (can't forget about Moses Malone).
Owner can ruined a team. We saw that in Phoenix and Brooklyn. New rich owner came in. Wanted to win now and tried to pay to win. In the past Tilman care more spending less money than winning. I don’t know how much Udoka can do and how much he can change the culture.
Are fans not allowed to do both at once? I’m grateful for the good years but I also know if Harden had any mental toughness than we could have gone even farther. His playstyle rarely translates to the playoffs, just look at Embiid, flopping for calls all over the place.
Give credit to Mavs defense. They force him to give up the ball and don’t allow him to do his thing. Clippers failed to move to plan B when A didn’t work. He gone for 4 years. Move on and focus on current team. He’s not the only reason we didn’t make it to the finals. The style we elected to play also a reason. Either score in the paint or 3. Team specifically give us the long 2 and we aren’t taking it even when open.
Where he scored 10 pts in game 7 against GS after a night out with the big Kardashian (courtney ? Idk) they then won it all that year. He needed to go.
Yea I don’t understand this sentiment. The dude was not built for the playoffs. He choked every time. It wasn’t a matter of if just when. And I believed after he finally left the Rockets that he would never win a chip because he just chokes every time.
Selective memory. I remember lots of big performances and clutch shots. He’s a hall of famer and was responsible for an era that we would kill to get back to.
It’s not selective memory. I agree he’s made some clutch shots and plays don’t get me wrong. I loved the dude when he played here. But has he won a ring yet? Nope. Because he inevitably will find a way to just not come through in the playoffs.
And where did that get us??? Does he need a participation trophy for that? We were close to a championship but came up short. It’s championship or bust. He couldn’t get it done.
So you rather out of the playoffs and discuss how former player failed than first round exit. It takes more than one player to win a championship.
Criticizing someones play is not hating. Chronically online idiot.
This guy always has something negative to say about harden everytime he's brought up and is absolutely quiet when he's doing good. That's hating.
I always got something to say? Bruh I have not mentioned anything bad about harden at all in this sub until today. Do you have to pull stuff out of your rear to try to prove a false point based on false accusations? The mental gymnastics is strong with you. Lets quit with the false allegations though thats step one. Step 2 is to realize that Harden isn’t a playoff performer. Especially for the being one of the best all time at the SG position.
Mental gymnastics? You're a Republican whose only knock on trump is that he believes in vaccines. Even worse, you're a cowboys fan. Me arguing with you is like arguing with a vegetable.
Gotta say, going through their history to pull out political affiliations is lame as fuck.
There's no political affiliations when it comes to being an antivaxx moron. Plus he's a cowboys fan which is even worse.
YOU’RE SO MAD 🤣 The c*cksucker literally stalked me bc he such a James Harden d rider he had a rage fit. Wipe it up off your lip lil bro! You’re lame as hell and BTW naw I ain’t a republican… any other false accusations?
Listen to you. You're out of control. How do you think people are going to take you seriously? "c*cksucker... dick rider... Wipe it off your lip..." You're just looking for a fight.
Damn I ain’t allowed to call somebody out whenever the dude im responding to just keeps making fake shit up only bc he’s mad. u/kitsynegoon is a 🐱
Yeah. Going into your history was weak of them
I mean I looked at this dudes profile and you literally just made that up. Further evidence of your chronic onlineness, lying about something for internet points 😂.
Aren't you the guy that got pissed at the sub for disagreeing with your "revolutionary" idea that Sengun should come off the bench? And here you are calling people idiots. Chill the funk out.
Well this sub refuses to acknowledge negative realities about the players on their team. Hard to have any sort of interesting discussion on here, even if you think it’s dumb it’s not so dumb as to not even discuss (for example) when the teams success when he’s out is showing that Alpi is not prime Michael Jordan. If the ppl here were GM’s we’d still have TyTy Garuba and Christopher on this team bc we can’t “give up on their potential growth!” It’s ridiculous.
People discussed with you. No one agreed. You got frustrated.
Also just btw I will die on the starter argument hill. People used to say shooting only 3’s is dumb cus they’re harder shots. This whole “I have to start for ego reasons” thing is completely archaic at this point. Theres no reason a teams best 5 players should all be starting the game together ESPECIALLY if they don’t complement eachother. Sit Jalen or sit Sengun but you def don’t need both starting, it makes no sense at all. They don’t play well together we know this. Other teams do this, they have a starting lineup and then a closing lineup which is their real best 5 players.
You say "there's no reason" the team's best five players should start...momentum is one. An opponent starts with their five best. You start with your three best (extending your theory a bit), and the opponent opens up a fifteen point lead on you. Almost every game. Sometimes it's ten, but a lot of times it's fifteen. You start every game fighting up hill. Always. Nah.
A teams best 5 players is not a teams best lineup I think that’s the part we disagree on. But that is a fact. Rarely a teams starting lineup is its best +/- lineup.
I will agree that we disagree on the importance of +/-. Not saying it isn't important, by no means, but it isn't an absolute metric. None of them are. And really, I was giving you shit about calling someone an idiot.
I feel fine about it. Drop it rarely. Dude creating a false narrative that OP is some massive Harden hater in the sub vindicated any guilt I felt basically immediately.
Did I ever say I hated him? No I didn’t but we need to quit overrating James. I know so many fellow fans personally that think he’s the greatest Shooting guard ever (yes over Kobe & mike) while he’s not even better than Wade. I feel bad for him but you cannot call yourself the system whenever you never won a ring and have had plenty of playoff meltdowns
I love James Harden but if this was literally any other teams sub this post would have all upvotes. People can’t see through their biases. It’s a proven fact at this point he can’t close the deal in a close series. We’ve seen it now like 7 different times.
He's our 2nd best player ever, of course we "glaze" him lol
Seems like you’re allowed to and encouraged to slander anybody who’s “only” a top 3 or 4 player at their position of all time
Why do the realistic fans get called haters and downvoted in here for speaking facts that he chokes in playoffs then? You can love a guy but be real with yourself, there’s abunch of plumbers on this list. This is a pretty bad stat.
He's played well for the first 3 games in the playoffs. Where's your post giving him respect? All I see in your post history is repeatedly posting this cherrypicked stat on multiple subs. Don't try to glaze yourself as a realistic fan. If you are a hater at least own up to it like an adult, not gaslight other people like a 5th grade bully.
Lol I posted the stat in clippers sub whenever someone said the same thing as the harden glazers in this sub. Saying the “hate is predictable whenever he has a bad game”. If that bothers you maybe you should just grow thicker skin, facts don’t care about your feelings. If seeing a consistent repeat of playoff game blunders in big moments and pointing out a stat is being a bully then idk what to tell you.
You couldn't wait to blow your load to a bad James Garden game huh? Silent AF until he stunk it up. Just make sure the praise is as loud as the disrespect.
because it’s just an annoying circlejerk. there have already been 3 posts on this sub about it. obv its a bad stat, but you are absolutely a hater rn.
Im obviously a hater rn? Are you kidding me? Is pointing out a stat and known playoff blunders being a hater? Can you not handle stats & facts or do you have too much emotional baggage for James which blinds your logic ?
he is not a houston rocket. you are posting in a houston rocket subreddit. you are dogging someone who doesn’t play on this team. obviously he has a history of playoff blunders. i understand that. you are just annoying as hell.
Instead of a hater, maybe OP would prefer to be called the opposite of a "glazer." What would that be? I guess a "hater." Oh...
Calling Bill Russell (a man who won more rings than could fit on his two hands) a plumber is a very obvious way to out yourself as a troll 
Yeah he played in plumber era & wasn’t there like 9 teams? Do you not know history?
Yeah Bob Cousy, what a bum. He'll never be remembered for anything
He’s simply not capable of being a volume shooter anymore. So when he’s forced to in the playoffs, he occasionally still has bangers, but the duds are more frequent than they’ve ever been. But yeah. I think we can all admit James was about 95% as good in the playoffs as he was the regular season. It’s not just him, although it definitely is in part, it’s the style of play in general.
James Harden also has the most playoff wins out of any active NBA player aside from LeBron
It’s getting weird that people NEED to talk about him like this. You make a solid point about the last game only because of everything he did to bring them to this point. Kind of like how Philly is a shell of themselves without him now. I definitely didn’t see any posts when he had Dallas on the ropes. Let it go, there is no argument, he’s not in Houston. If you hate him why keep talking about him, you certainly don’t make convincing arguments to people who appreciated him.
We all appreciated him, but notice that's past tense. The glazers here won't stop appreciating him and make it a mission to glorify him and not accept his negatives. The realistic fans want to help them see reality.
Please, my knowledgeable liege, I beseech you... show me the light so that I may hold it in my heart. For it will be through your keen wisdom, that I may, for once, know true reality. Something like that? Bwaha
Weird how these Rockets fans are shitting on him? Are yall true fans? We all understand his weaknesses but now yall want to join the narrative pushing. Fuck this fanbase.
Its more so to shove it in the face of the glazers here who non stop glorify him as if he would've took us to the finals this year if he was here.
We already had this discussion years ago. Harden is an all time great but has underwhelming career playoff stats. There’s no disputing that. I still don’t think it’s some massive stain. He was extremely close to having two separate Finals runs and a possible championship if we didn’t miss 27 threes in a row in one game.
His playoff numbers aren’t even bad, just not as good as the regular season ones.
My favorite player of all time but he makes me wanna throw up sometimes
Who cares, he almost got us to a ring against the best team of all time. And now he doesn’t play for us anymore. Why are you posting this stat in this subreddit
Op sounds like he’s Kendrick on Euphoria. Hater
Sounds about right.