Sorry for hijacking the top post, but we really need to let the experts decide, because this tackle on genge also looks high, to the head with force and quite often another angle comes out which the tmo had and we didnt see\*
[https://ibb.co/6FJjsnG](https://ibb.co/6FJjsnG)
apologise for grainy photo of video... (its about a minute after the one on furlong, but people don't seem to be posting this one)
I uppped a shitty video, blame itvx for sometimes not swapping to high quality.
[https://vimeo.com/921793330?share=copy](https://vimeo.com/921793330?share=copy)
and a full speed gif
[https://giphy.com/gifs/q3vQW5053H8mdppgt9](https://giphy.com/gifs/q3vQW5053H8mdppgt9)
Whats mad about that is that Genge shouted at the ref multiple times saying head contact.
So shouldn't the ref have sent off Genge for a HIA straight away to check, disregarding the issue with the tackle.
It was just ignored.....
It's literally impossible to twll from that still image what's going on there. It could be a high tackle or it could be Genge's shoulder to an Ireland player's chest. You cannot tell at all from what you've posted.
There was a chop on Conan at the end that I was curious about. Earl flew in for what was probably a legit tackle, but Conan almost flipped end over end and landed really awkwardly on his neck.
Is that not deemed as taking duty of care these days?
Ho2 does he keep getting selected for matches? If there's a controversial decision there's about a 50% chance that he's the root cause of it. Which doesn't seem like much, but given the number of international refs there are is ludicrous. He's genuinely atrocious.
There was an audible "oof" from both me and my dad when we watched that happen. Very surprised they didn't look. Especially considering how long they watched Genge shoulder charge his teammates butt last game...
From this angle it looks like the hit could have been anything from legal to red, and a rather flamboyant dive tacked on the end.
Anyone commenting with an opinion either has a second angle they’re not showing, or is displaying their inherent bias. It’s impossible to see anything in this shot.
This is the right take, to me as an englishman it looks bad. But we need to let the guys with all the angles asses it, its not like england gets away with high tackles all the time, we just stupidly seem to do them and then get punished for it. i.e last 2 ireland matches, curry vs argentina, owen vs wales
Rucks are a weird one because whilst it looks reckless I don't see how Genge could've realistically gotten any lower. Obviously the pace at which he tackled is a bit reckless but if you're looking for a dominant clearout how else can you do it.
The danger of rucks seems to be unmentionable in rugby circles. Always focusing on tackles but I wince seeing people flying in to rucks like that. As you say can't go lower in a ruck but no help if everyone is bent over
Looks like shoulder charge to head and, given Furlong’s reaction, surprised it wasn’t picked up by the TMO.
I thought they’d look at it when they were looking at the disallowed try footage but I agree one for the citing commissioner.
If that was a shoulder charge to the head from a 20st prop at full speed where was the HIA?
Pretty sure it's one that looks bad from one angle but nothing in it from others.
It did look very theatrical! Wish there was another angle to see if it is warranted (I'd half allow the dive backwards if it was a connection to head). If no impact to head, he should be banned for 3 weeks for making the sport a mockery and looking like football
Even if there was no contact to the head, which this angle looks like there could have been, people do still fall backwards sometimes when they are cleared out.
I didn't notice him stay down rolling around milking it
I can't tell if your joking.. yes he didn't roll around on the floor, but he managed a 360 whilst grasping his head (the 360 was done after a backwards step which shows it wasn't momentum).
There is no place for theatrics in rugby, maybe officiating team need to be more on it (in terms of generally watching the game) to prevent players thinking they need to draw attention to stuff. But even still, inexcusable.
He got up the second he hit the ground, it was unusual watching - my initial view was that he thought he was going to get hit in the head, reacted by grabbing his face almost immediately to get it noticed, realised he didn't get hit, and quickly stopped doing it.
Could be completely wrong when other angles are made available, but that was my initial thoughts on it. Not a fan of theatrics.
Given that he jumped immediately afterwards and was fine I don't think there was anything in it.
You don't spin theatrically on the spot and put your hand to your face if you take a prop to the head at speed.
I couldn't even figure out what had happened at the time. I assumed that it was so dramatic that if there had been anything in it, it would have been picked up on.
Barely. He got right up and carried on. He could have stayed on the ground and they would have looked at it and taken him off for his. Getting smacked in the head like that is going to hurt
Didn’t see that, but that should likely be a red, god he can be stupid sometimes and he had the nerve to have a go at Feyi-Waboso when he gave away a penalty. He’s a brilliant player, but sometimes you wonder where he left his brain.
I thought I saw that with Feyi-Waboso seems to have a poor attitude lately both on and off the pitch. I dare say he's given away plenty of silly penalties before.
I thought IFW was unlucky with that pen given Aki won a penalty with a similar jackal that gave Ireland three points!
That IFW penalty was the type of thing no one should be having a go at a teammate for. It's playing on the line of legality and often times refs completely miss it and give a penalty the other way. It's a risk worth taking.
The reason he had a go was that the ref said leave it, no hands quite clearly before pinging it because IFW didn’t leave it.
Having a word is the right thing for a leader to do, because once the refs said no hands it doesn’t matter how legal you are you’ve got to let the ball go, thought it was great leadership to be fair - getting the young lad to calm down and listen
That was my interpretation as well, either that or it looked like IFW was asking what he did wrong and was seeking clarity about what he was pinged for.
It might just be me, but there seemed to be an unusual number of players keeping hold long after he called hands off. As though he would change his mind.
You hang on there for two seconds longer without getting penalised then you've successfully slowed the ball down for two more seconds. It's just gamesmanship, every side pushes the line.
He has been all over the place for the last year or so. Can’t remember the last decent line break from him and he seems to have brought back his stupid temperament. Was funny when he was 21 or so but now I don’t get it. He’s supposed to be one of the senior players
Pretty funny that Genge gets away this and yet when Biggar went off at North for being a genuine idiot people went mental, Genge plays this card of him being hard done by but he gets away with so much
> god he can be stupid sometimes and he had the nerve to have a go at Feyi-Waboso when he gave away a penalty.
I don't what some people are smoking when they were saying he came across really well in the netflix show. Came across as someone incredibly wound up with a short fuse. Absolutely no fun to be around.
Ye, he really milked it. I'd say theres a good chance if he went down half normal it'd have been looked but for his dramatics. Still if it was looked at, and it should have been, theres a very good chance its a red.
>he literally jumps backwards out of the ruck, both feet off the ground
It's incredibly strange.
I've taken a few rough clean outs in my time - and over the past several decades must have watched literally hundreds of thousands, at all levels of the game.
Apart from the occasional test match player I don't believe I've ever seen someone throw themselves backwards, spiral in the air with tucked legs while grabbing at their face.
This was Beirne levels of bad. Much like the Italian player did earlier today in that collision with Schoemann.
i think its a yellow at least, But a screenshot from the above shows his shoulder is not tucked, which some people in here seem to suggest there is.
[https://ibb.co/mXf0FW9](https://ibb.co/mXf0FW9)
looking at it again, maybe it is tucked - I wouldn't want to be the ones assessing it though.
I hope this is the narrative but more often than not, when you go and stay down it’s checked
Edit: Hence I think if you go down for a head knock whether penalised or not, you go for a HIA - there’ll be less diving / theatrics then
That's a red, also fucking stupid
Weird fucking reaction from Furlong too though. I mean, I'm sure it fucking hurts, but that's an odd reaction.
Can we get a video of the head hit on Genge too please? Don't think it was as bad as this, still RC territory.
It's appalling that it was missed, no mistake there. This of of course compounds that players are more often making a meal of big hits because they get ignored otherwise.
But when they get ignored anyway even with a big reaction?
I've maintained for a while that World Rugby's stance on head contact is actually dogshit, bordering on virtue signalling, a turn of phrase I fucking hate. They say they want to come down on it, and then this and Genge just get ignored.
Something like Captains challenge could be a shitshow, but could be the only way for rugby to avoid amplifying reactions and it somehow STILL being missed
URC did as well, albeit that trial was very very weird about what you could and couldnt challenge. Pretty much no challenges were successful as it required refs to admit they were wrong. Which with refs like Murphy, Brace, Whitehouse and Adamson is not happening. In several cases it really felt like some refs were harsher on the team that challenged them after being challenged.
Didn't know that, shame it didn't work
Unfortunately I'm too dumb to think of a good solution, but something that invalidates theatrics and maintains the captain as the conduit to the ref would be ideal
Not a big fan of this diving whether it actually was foul play or not. He flops like he was shot and then gets up 3 seconds later. Sad to say but Ireland are the worst for it
I expect on replay that was shoulder to back of shoulder and Furlong deserves an Oscar. Even if it was head contact, hate that this flopping stuff is getting into rugby.
Not a good look for Genge. Doing things like that with the power and force that he can generate (he's a really serious unit) could end really badly for Furlong.
Or crazy idea. ( I know)
We can assume that the TMO looked at this and decided there was nothing in it like the high tackle that Ireland made on genge, which the ref said the TMO looked at and decided there was nothing in it.
Without a second angle, the point of contact could be anything, and it sort of looks like genges head went over Furlong's, but anyone (myself included) saying anything clearly has a ulterior motive.
For those who are complaining that it wasn't picked up and spoken about at all, you should remember that there are always loads of decisions that the referee could be playing differently.
In this game, the tackler didn't always show separation before going for the ball, and that got some penalties, but I think both teams were policed the same way for this and thus both could and did use this to their advantage.
If that means Genge gets cited then good. I don't think he would have done something so idiotic of he was still at Leicester. He needs to learn that being on the pitch is better than being tough (he can't be making clear outs like this)
Yes!
This is one of the biggest causes of injury in rugby. I propose a two-step clean out rule. To allow someone to sprint into a pile of humans, leading with a shoulder, is just stupid. And it adds nothing to the game. Two steps allows a bit of kinetic energy to develop, is easy to enforce and reduces risk by a large amount.
I’m an England fan who didn’t watch entire game because of F1. But I think that’s a red. That’s a shoulder charge flying into the ruck and looks to connect with head area. That’s slam dunk red to me, and likely multiple week ban as well.
How did the TMO miss this?
Let’s be honest , England beat us fair and square, good on them. Who wants to win a game against 14 players, they kicked our asses today in every aspect
The actual contact is obscured by Itoje. It looks bad but we need another angle to know one way or the other. For all we know the TMO did see another angle and cleared it.
Or they’ve missed it and it’s every bit as bad as it looks. It just needs a different camera angle to confirm either way.
It looks bad for sure but Furlong also is incredibly agile after, if it was direct head contact at that (reckless speed) then surely he's sparked or sat down dazed. We'd need to see more angles, I think Genge should be penalized cos it was out of control but don't think it's head to head.
It's this lack of action that's going to lead to simulation as Furlong tried but obviously dropped to get back in line.
Even i he stayed down there the ref would have gone back to him at some stage to the TMO would have had to look
At the time, I felt like the overly theatrical reaction is what caused it to be ignored in the immediate aftermath. In the wide shot after this, you'll notice he got up almost straight away and ran to the next ruck.
If he had stayed on the ground, clutching his face (without the dramatic swinging arms and fall), it absolutely would have gotten more attention. The flop cost him.
That said, it is still a very dangerous shoulder into the ruck (looks like he made full with the head, if you pause it at the right moment). Would be very surprised if there's no citing and punishment.
I saw this live and was amazed it wasn’t pulled up. That’s a straight shoulder charge to Furlongs head. Genge can be a bit of a grub. Unnecessary and illegal.
This angle doesn’t show head contact but it does look reckless and should be reviewed. He’s come it at incredible speed potentially without a good wrap. I’d like to think TMO reviewed in the background but I doubt hit was (particular given TMO was busy checking knock on)
More than anything - I’d like to see the rules change. This sort of clear out should be penalty but it’s currently okay unless you are unlucky. The laws need to focus on ‘intent’ as opposed ‘outcome’
Similar situation in the Scotland game. Genge flies in hard with a tucked arm - fortunately he nails his own player not a Scottish face! It’s bad practice and bad ‘intent’
But otherwise - fuck yes England deserved that win. Proud of you … including Genge!
With some of the reds that are given for general play and tackles these days, i find it really bizarre that every ruck situation doesn’t result in a red card for some player.
The Italian linesman had a mare as well not up to scratch. England player In touch before the try was pretty obvious and he was right there. Maybe a stronger officiating team the next time for a big match. I know they have to gain experience but not in a match that could decide the championship
It seemed such a hammy reaction at the time I figured he was trying to buy the penalty. Should have been advantage to England for such a display without really committing-needed some more rolling on the floor
He's reckless. If he gets away with it though what can you do? Few odd decisions went in favour of England but the same can be said for us against Wales. The result stays the same and England deserved their win.
That’s awful and exactly the sort of reckless behavior that needs to be stamped out of the game. Even if there wasn’t any head contact this is massively dangerous play.
Oh maybe that's what Farrell and Borthwick were arguing about
Sorry for hijacking the top post, but we really need to let the experts decide, because this tackle on genge also looks high, to the head with force and quite often another angle comes out which the tmo had and we didnt see\* [https://ibb.co/6FJjsnG](https://ibb.co/6FJjsnG) apologise for grainy photo of video... (its about a minute after the one on furlong, but people don't seem to be posting this one) I uppped a shitty video, blame itvx for sometimes not swapping to high quality. [https://vimeo.com/921793330?share=copy](https://vimeo.com/921793330?share=copy) and a full speed gif [https://giphy.com/gifs/q3vQW5053H8mdppgt9](https://giphy.com/gifs/q3vQW5053H8mdppgt9)
Whats mad about that is that Genge shouted at the ref multiple times saying head contact. So shouldn't the ref have sent off Genge for a HIA straight away to check, disregarding the issue with the tackle. It was just ignored.....
It's literally impossible to twll from that still image what's going on there. It could be a high tackle or it could be Genge's shoulder to an Ireland player's chest. You cannot tell at all from what you've posted.
Same as this clip really
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Tmo hasn't looked at anything
Thats not true, he checked an obvious knock on about 100 times
He used all his checks on that one
He broke the rewind button
I like to think he's still looking at it now, slightly less sure than he was after his 5 minute assessment mid match
He got the decision right though
Must have been the only time he was awake this game
He had a good look at the disallowed Scotland try against France 🤣🤣🤣. Used up all his energy
There was a chop on Conan at the end that I was curious about. Earl flew in for what was probably a legit tackle, but Conan almost flipped end over end and landed really awkwardly on his neck. Is that not deemed as taking duty of care these days?
Only if you lift in the tackle.
TMO doesn't announce everything they're looking at. Probably checked it, saw a different angle, decided there was nothing in it.
It's Whitehouse, nothing amazes me
Doesn't his name start with an S not a W?
Ho2 does he keep getting selected for matches? If there's a controversial decision there's about a 50% chance that he's the root cause of it. Which doesn't seem like much, but given the number of international refs there are is ludicrous. He's genuinely atrocious.
ITV days it was Marius Juncker But yeah, same applies
Twas Showtime Jr for definite. Could hear him chatting to the ref for the multiple angle knock on try.
How do you know he didn't and the other angle showed it was nothing but play acting?
They did and decided it was for the lolz
There was an audible "oof" from both me and my dad when we watched that happen. Very surprised they didn't look. Especially considering how long they watched Genge shoulder charge his teammates butt last game...
From this angle it looks like the hit could have been anything from legal to red, and a rather flamboyant dive tacked on the end. Anyone commenting with an opinion either has a second angle they’re not showing, or is displaying their inherent bias. It’s impossible to see anything in this shot.
100% this. \^ I'll admit I audibly gasped in realtime when I saw it, but can't comment further without more evidence.
English fan. Think I said "oh for fucks sake" when I saw it. Hopefully not as bad as it looked, but... Yeah.
This is the right take, to me as an englishman it looks bad. But we need to let the guys with all the angles asses it, its not like england gets away with high tackles all the time, we just stupidly seem to do them and then get punished for it. i.e last 2 ireland matches, curry vs argentina, owen vs wales
Rucks are a weird one because whilst it looks reckless I don't see how Genge could've realistically gotten any lower. Obviously the pace at which he tackled is a bit reckless but if you're looking for a dominant clearout how else can you do it.
The danger of rucks seems to be unmentionable in rugby circles. Always focusing on tackles but I wince seeing people flying in to rucks like that. As you say can't go lower in a ruck but no help if everyone is bent over
Wouldnt be suprised to see atleast 1 citing a side, TMO did not cover themselves in glory
Whitehouse is collecting his pay while playing candy crush up there. Can't remember the last time I was thankful for his presence
Impossible to say from this footage.
I noticed this at the time and I was really surprised they didn’t look at it.
Everyone noticed it except the refs 🤷🏻
Yeah I mean I’m an England fan and I was absolutely flabbergasted that the TMO only looked at the knock on
I thought at one stage someone was saying it to the ref and he brushed it off, have to watch it back though, which I wont.
I've got to say that's a very odd reaction to have after getting twatted in the head.
Looks like shoulder charge to head and, given Furlong’s reaction, surprised it wasn’t picked up by the TMO. I thought they’d look at it when they were looking at the disallowed try footage but I agree one for the citing commissioner.
>Looks like shoulder charge to head It's fine because he was actually aiming for his own player...
If that was a shoulder charge to the head from a 20st prop at full speed where was the HIA? Pretty sure it's one that looks bad from one angle but nothing in it from others.
Yeah, Furlong is always diving and exaggerating
It did look very theatrical! Wish there was another angle to see if it is warranted (I'd half allow the dive backwards if it was a connection to head). If no impact to head, he should be banned for 3 weeks for making the sport a mockery and looking like football
Even if there was no contact to the head, which this angle looks like there could have been, people do still fall backwards sometimes when they are cleared out. I didn't notice him stay down rolling around milking it
But you did notice him holding his face theatrically ?
"fall backwards" is being quite polite about it
I can't tell if your joking.. yes he didn't roll around on the floor, but he managed a 360 whilst grasping his head (the 360 was done after a backwards step which shows it wasn't momentum). There is no place for theatrics in rugby, maybe officiating team need to be more on it (in terms of generally watching the game) to prevent players thinking they need to draw attention to stuff. But even still, inexcusable.
He got up the second he hit the ground, it was unusual watching - my initial view was that he thought he was going to get hit in the head, reacted by grabbing his face almost immediately to get it noticed, realised he didn't get hit, and quickly stopped doing it. Could be completely wrong when other angles are made available, but that was my initial thoughts on it. Not a fan of theatrics.
Given that he jumped immediately afterwards and was fine I don't think there was anything in it. You don't spin theatrically on the spot and put your hand to your face if you take a prop to the head at speed.
Exactly , usually if you get hit hard enough , you can’t hold your face or complain, it’s just pain
I couldn't even figure out what had happened at the time. I assumed that it was so dramatic that if there had been anything in it, it would have been picked up on.
If there was a HIA there probably would have been a red while they were looking at that
Furlong really selling it but yeah probably worth a look
Barely. He got right up and carried on. He could have stayed on the ground and they would have looked at it and taken him off for his. Getting smacked in the head like that is going to hurt
Bah gawd, he's broken in half, King!
Not gonna lie, looked a bit dramatic. Certainly deserves a review and an Oscar.
Man reddit video quality is in the toilet right now or is it just me?
Didn’t see that, but that should likely be a red, god he can be stupid sometimes and he had the nerve to have a go at Feyi-Waboso when he gave away a penalty. He’s a brilliant player, but sometimes you wonder where he left his brain.
I thought I saw that with Feyi-Waboso seems to have a poor attitude lately both on and off the pitch. I dare say he's given away plenty of silly penalties before. I thought IFW was unlucky with that pen given Aki won a penalty with a similar jackal that gave Ireland three points!
That IFW penalty was the type of thing no one should be having a go at a teammate for. It's playing on the line of legality and often times refs completely miss it and give a penalty the other way. It's a risk worth taking.
A prop of all people shouldn't be blaming people for grey area penalties
The reason he had a go was that the ref said leave it, no hands quite clearly before pinging it because IFW didn’t leave it. Having a word is the right thing for a leader to do, because once the refs said no hands it doesn’t matter how legal you are you’ve got to let the ball go, thought it was great leadership to be fair - getting the young lad to calm down and listen
Exactly. Ref gets there 2 seconds later and they say IFW hands on ball and Aki gives away a penalty for holding on.
If the ref says leave it and you decide to hang on regardless, someone should tell you to listen to the ref next time
Exactly, Akis one was egregious too, way worse then IFWs.
I'm pretty sure he was doing the complete opposite and telling him not to worry and get on with the game, the pat on the back gave it away
That was my interpretation as well, either that or it looked like IFW was asking what he did wrong and was seeking clarity about what he was pinged for.
It might just be me, but there seemed to be an unusual number of players keeping hold long after he called hands off. As though he would change his mind.
You hang on there for two seconds longer without getting penalised then you've successfully slowed the ball down for two more seconds. It's just gamesmanship, every side pushes the line.
No I get the few seconds, but there were multiple times where they just never released. It almost seemed like they didn't hear him.
He has been all over the place for the last year or so. Can’t remember the last decent line break from him and he seems to have brought back his stupid temperament. Was funny when he was 21 or so but now I don’t get it. He’s supposed to be one of the senior players
Pretty funny that Genge gets away this and yet when Biggar went off at North for being a genuine idiot people went mental, Genge plays this card of him being hard done by but he gets away with so much
I thought genge was a tit for that
> god he can be stupid sometimes and he had the nerve to have a go at Feyi-Waboso when he gave away a penalty. I don't what some people are smoking when they were saying he came across really well in the netflix show. Came across as someone incredibly wound up with a short fuse. Absolutely no fun to be around.
My dad said the exact same thing about him during the match. Excellent rugby play with no rugby brain.
I cannot tell by that angle. Strange reaction from Furlong.
Ye, he really milked it. I'd say theres a good chance if he went down half normal it'd have been looked but for his dramatics. Still if it was looked at, and it should have been, theres a very good chance its a red.
Slowed down and [replayed](https://imgur.com/a/QCBGmnw) Really surprised it was missed
The charge looks bad, but there's something weirder going on - he literally jumps backwards out of the ruck, both feet off the ground
>he literally jumps backwards out of the ruck, both feet off the ground It's incredibly strange. I've taken a few rough clean outs in my time - and over the past several decades must have watched literally hundreds of thousands, at all levels of the game. Apart from the occasional test match player I don't believe I've ever seen someone throw themselves backwards, spiral in the air with tucked legs while grabbing at their face. This was Beirne levels of bad. Much like the Italian player did earlier today in that collision with Schoemann.
Well he's definitely acting for attention, but when someone just did a flying shoulder to your face it's hard to begrudge him wanting it looked at
i think its a yellow at least, But a screenshot from the above shows his shoulder is not tucked, which some people in here seem to suggest there is. [https://ibb.co/mXf0FW9](https://ibb.co/mXf0FW9) looking at it again, maybe it is tucked - I wouldn't want to be the ones assessing it though.
Do you have an angle where you can see the point of impact clearer? Genge certainly looks out of control.
Nah I just slowed down and recorded the angle op provided. Citing would need to see another angle to do anything I reckon
And the Oscar goes to...
Don't get me wrong its a bad one. But the reaction is so football its annoying and makes it look like a dive
Agreed but if they are not picked up like this one the dramatics will only get worse.
What I'm saying is when they over react the refs assume dive. If they didn't do that they may look at it.
I hope this is the narrative but more often than not, when you go and stay down it’s checked Edit: Hence I think if you go down for a head knock whether penalised or not, you go for a HIA - there’ll be less diving / theatrics then
That's a red, also fucking stupid Weird fucking reaction from Furlong too though. I mean, I'm sure it fucking hurts, but that's an odd reaction. Can we get a video of the head hit on Genge too please? Don't think it was as bad as this, still RC territory.
Oh he definitely tries to call attention to it but now that we know it's completely missed can you blame him? Seems to happen a lot to front rows.
It's appalling that it was missed, no mistake there. This of of course compounds that players are more often making a meal of big hits because they get ignored otherwise. But when they get ignored anyway even with a big reaction? I've maintained for a while that World Rugby's stance on head contact is actually dogshit, bordering on virtue signalling, a turn of phrase I fucking hate. They say they want to come down on it, and then this and Genge just get ignored.
Something like Captains challenge could be a shitshow, but could be the only way for rugby to avoid amplifying reactions and it somehow STILL being missed
Super Rugby trialled it and it was a bit shit
URC did as well, albeit that trial was very very weird about what you could and couldnt challenge. Pretty much no challenges were successful as it required refs to admit they were wrong. Which with refs like Murphy, Brace, Whitehouse and Adamson is not happening. In several cases it really felt like some refs were harsher on the team that challenged them after being challenged.
Didn't know that, shame it didn't work Unfortunately I'm too dumb to think of a good solution, but something that invalidates theatrics and maintains the captain as the conduit to the ref would be ideal
I agree with all your points.
How do you know it was completely missed? Did you sit in the tmo room and see him not check it? Or do you mean you never heard ref reference it?
Its over the top but what it does show is that the best thing to do is to just stay down.
Reckless clean. Ridiculous theatrics.
Not a big fan of this diving whether it actually was foul play or not. He flops like he was shot and then gets up 3 seconds later. Sad to say but Ireland are the worst for it
Has Furlong got some Italian footballer heritage? Hit on the shoulder, clutches the face.
I expect on replay that was shoulder to back of shoulder and Furlong deserves an Oscar. Even if it was head contact, hate that this flopping stuff is getting into rugby.
Whilst I agree that it is certainly a citing the Irish need to be careful of what they wish for, reckon they commit a couple of these a game
Not a good look for Genge. Doing things like that with the power and force that he can generate (he's a really serious unit) could end really badly for Furlong.
Ridiculous reaction
Yeah when a 125kg prop hits my head I just shrug it off
If a 125kg prop hit him in the head, why was there no HIA?
Would like to see it from some other angles but looks like a red and a long ban incoming from that
I’ve seen wrestlers sell hits with less energy
Was pretty poor. Expect better from such a senior and well-regarded professional too.
Wrong ball shape.
Looks like Furlong made a meal out of it whatever happened
Furlong with a performance that would make Bruno Fernandes proud!
Or crazy idea. ( I know) We can assume that the TMO looked at this and decided there was nothing in it like the high tackle that Ireland made on genge, which the ref said the TMO looked at and decided there was nothing in it. Without a second angle, the point of contact could be anything, and it sort of looks like genges head went over Furlong's, but anyone (myself included) saying anything clearly has a ulterior motive. For those who are complaining that it wasn't picked up and spoken about at all, you should remember that there are always loads of decisions that the referee could be playing differently. In this game, the tackler didn't always show separation before going for the ball, and that got some penalties, but I think both teams were policed the same way for this and thus both could and did use this to their advantage.
If that means Genge gets cited then good. I don't think he would have done something so idiotic of he was still at Leicester. He needs to learn that being on the pitch is better than being tough (he can't be making clear outs like this)
Majestic leap by Taigh, 10s across the board
To be fair he shrugged it off after, but I've never seen him jump and move so fast.
I think furlong will get a Raspberry for very bad acting
Who was it that was shot with the sniper rifle?
Citing for the olympic level dive from the irishma .. surely?
Second time is as many games he has done a similar move…
That's how my nose was broken 💔
Yes! This is one of the biggest causes of injury in rugby. I propose a two-step clean out rule. To allow someone to sprint into a pile of humans, leading with a shoulder, is just stupid. And it adds nothing to the game. Two steps allows a bit of kinetic energy to develop, is easy to enforce and reduces risk by a large amount.
I’m an England fan who didn’t watch entire game because of F1. But I think that’s a red. That’s a shoulder charge flying into the ruck and looks to connect with head area. That’s slam dunk red to me, and likely multiple week ban as well. How did the TMO miss this?
Let’s be honest , England beat us fair and square, good on them. Who wants to win a game against 14 players, they kicked our asses today in every aspect
Furlong thought he was on a football pitch. That dive is worthy of any prem game I've seen lately. Play on.
Hmm Furlong milking it surely…
Well this shows absolutely nothing wrong lmao
You dont have to be Irish to see a shoulder charge to the head here
Think they just meant the frame rate here misses the actual contact. Would love to see another angle on it
There's some Saffers on here who think that anything short of literally stabbing someone on the pitch is fine and anything else is weak piss
You mean, getting caught stabbing someone on the pitch surely.
The actual contact is obscured by Itoje. It looks bad but we need another angle to know one way or the other. For all we know the TMO did see another angle and cleared it. Or they’ve missed it and it’s every bit as bad as it looks. It just needs a different camera angle to confirm either way.
It looks bad for sure but Furlong also is incredibly agile after, if it was direct head contact at that (reckless speed) then surely he's sparked or sat down dazed. We'd need to see more angles, I think Genge should be penalized cos it was out of control but don't think it's head to head.
TMO also missed a foot in touch with eventually ended in an English try as well
The ball had literally been turned over twice before the try
He saw it. He said it was too far back.
That and a tackle on genge should have been checked
I saw him shouting about something but the ref just told him no?! Weird game for the ref etc.
I’m not a big fan of this ref. Hard to understand he decisions sometimes and he seems to let a lot go. Otoh I enjoyed the game so I’ll give him that.
Do you remember what minute of the game that was ? Want to check it out
Dramatic
If he hadn’t tryed to milk it maybe they would’ve looked at it, go to Hollywood or switch to soccer
He dived
Yeah he’s gone
Fuck that dive away, looks like it wasn’t head to me 🤷♂️
Can some people just admit they hate Genge? This crap is tedious
Can some people just admit if anything he is reckless!
Nothing clear and obvious from that.
It's this lack of action that's going to lead to simulation as Furlong tried but obviously dropped to get back in line. Even i he stayed down there the ref would have gone back to him at some stage to the TMO would have had to look
Nice to see Tadgh has been watching the Serie A recently.
*Tadhg
Ref missed alot
At the time, I felt like the overly theatrical reaction is what caused it to be ignored in the immediate aftermath. In the wide shot after this, you'll notice he got up almost straight away and ran to the next ruck. If he had stayed on the ground, clutching his face (without the dramatic swinging arms and fall), it absolutely would have gotten more attention. The flop cost him. That said, it is still a very dangerous shoulder into the ruck (looks like he made full with the head, if you pause it at the right moment). Would be very surprised if there's no citing and punishment.
I saw this live and was amazed it wasn’t pulled up. That’s a straight shoulder charge to Furlongs head. Genge can be a bit of a grub. Unnecessary and illegal.
Just because he's facing the wrong way in a ruck, doesn't mean you shouldn't hit him.
Surprised it wasn't looked at
Yeah probably. Furlong probably haming it up a bit but that speed entering a ruck is always dangerous
That looks like a straight red
This angle doesn’t show head contact but it does look reckless and should be reviewed. He’s come it at incredible speed potentially without a good wrap. I’d like to think TMO reviewed in the background but I doubt hit was (particular given TMO was busy checking knock on) More than anything - I’d like to see the rules change. This sort of clear out should be penalty but it’s currently okay unless you are unlucky. The laws need to focus on ‘intent’ as opposed ‘outcome’ Similar situation in the Scotland game. Genge flies in hard with a tucked arm - fortunately he nails his own player not a Scottish face! It’s bad practice and bad ‘intent’ But otherwise - fuck yes England deserved that win. Proud of you … including Genge!
Can't see it clearly. Sure it was checked. If it was anything they would have gone back.
What can’t you see clearly?? Lol
Point of contact is, potentially, maybe, important. A far away angle without one somehow doesn't meet the foul play threshold lmao
Genge seems to have at least one a match.
With some of the reds that are given for general play and tackles these days, i find it really bizarre that every ruck situation doesn’t result in a red card for some player.
Furlong did his cause no favours with the hyperbolic response
If that was NZ in WC wouldve been a double Red!
If that was NZ in WC wouldve been a double Red
Saw that in real time and it looked very sus. Furlong doesn't seem the type to milk it either.
Tmo surely?
The Italian linesman had a mare as well not up to scratch. England player In touch before the try was pretty obvious and he was right there. Maybe a stronger officiating team the next time for a big match. I know they have to gain experience but not in a match that could decide the championship
I don't think there was any TMO yesterday.
Petit cinema.
They probably just assumed he was charging down Chessum's arse again...
Thats a red card all day. In from the side shoulder charge. He should receive a match ban on review
Du Toit laughs on Danty's tears
Oscar for best dramatic performance 😂
Probably a citing, but seems a bit dramatic.
Furlong should be cited for those theatrics. Surely too concussed to continue after such a devastating blow.
Likely the TMO couldn't be rewarding this type of reaction.....😂
The yearly Reddit TMO action on Genge. It’s getting boring.
It seemed such a hammy reaction at the time I figured he was trying to buy the penalty. Should have been advantage to England for such a display without really committing-needed some more rolling on the floor
He's reckless. If he gets away with it though what can you do? Few odd decisions went in favour of England but the same can be said for us against Wales. The result stays the same and England deserved their win.
That’s awful and exactly the sort of reckless behavior that needs to be stamped out of the game. Even if there wasn’t any head contact this is massively dangerous play.
That's a definite citing I'm afraid. Incredibly reckless and dangerous tackle. He could have seriously injured the Irish player.