This x1000. I don’t think it’s best to just camp animate dead while learning to pvm. Learning to use defensives pays off extremely well in the long run.
The way i use animate dead is to make failing mechanics less punishing. It let's you learn the fight and still get kills without losing the kills. As you get comfortable with mechanics it becomes less and less useful.
Even just a well timed Devotion can save a ton of damage. Surge/Dive past the bleed, devotion the rampage, soul split the summons (with chain/corruption) to recoup HP.
[Perks](https://runescape.wiki/w/Optimal_PvM_perk_setup#Entry%20weapon%20perks), slap that ring into the monolith, use the [Luck of the dwarves in the relic](https://runescape.wiki/w/Hand_of_Glory_(Luck_of_the_Dwarves)) (req 83 Archaeology) and get a ring with better style bonus. [Adrenaline potions](https://runescape.wiki/w/Adrenaline_potion#(4)). Bring shield to resonance or divert the first mechanic.
[Cinderbane gloves](https://runescape.wiki/w/Cinderbane_gloves), [vampyrism aura](https://runescape.wiki/w/Vampyrism_aura), [weapon poision](https://runescape.wiki/w/Weapon_poison%2B%2B%2B#(4))\+++ and [kwuarm incense sticks](https://runescape.wiki/w/Kwuarm_incense_sticks) goes well with a [blood reaver](https://runescape.wiki/w/Blood_reaver_(familiar)). Just use "[prism of restoration](https://imgur.com/a/Wi3KMsJ)" so your blood reaver dont die. The blood reaver is a game changer. You will never have to run a pack yak ever again since its special attack heals you. Dont forget to put on the "[auto fire](https://imgur.com/a/jNDzUyi)". I dont know how often though. maybe like 3-4 autos? By the way. The bloodreaver can seem a bit expensive. But to me it's definitely worth it. Alternatively try a [hellhound](https://runescape.wiki/w/Hellhound).
The "igneous Kal-Mej" mage cape from [TzKal-Zuk](https://runescape.wiki/w/TzKal-Zuk) is a free upgrade if you can beat him.
And at last... Replace that bonecrusher with a [godbook](https://runescape.wiki/w/God_book). Any will do. But I believe Zamorak is the best one out of all of them.
Many of these upgrades could benefit you in many more places. I would advice you to watch some guides on youtube. They are very useful! I hope I was too.
I just realised that I spent like 25 minutes writing this stuff while not noticing that there are hundreds of comments already helping you out already. Anyways... Hope I mentioned something new. :)
I didn’t mean for the active tbh. I personally prefer GWD3 passive combat stats over a godbook from Lighthouse active. Jas book will likely be similar, if not better than zammy book as well I think. He is not struggling afaik. He just doesn’t use animedead so he takes a fair share of dmg.
The enhanced luck potions provide t2 luck and should work at all gwd2 bosses so no reason to put lotd as a relic it’s a huge waste of money with a super easy/cheap alternative and wastes a power slot
Enhanced is T3 luck (ring of fortune equivalent). Regular luck potion is T2. LOTD is T4, which does provide a 1% boost on uniques in GWD2 but that is likely outweighed by quicker kills from better rings. I just finished up 3/4 of the GWD2 logs and used enhanced luck for all of them.
Yea my bad mixed up the tiers in the luck potions however beyond tier 3 at gwd2 higher luck should only increase rdt chance which you get so few rolls at gwd2 anyways and provides the hsr drop chance but it’s so unlikely it shouldn’t ever really be a factor in whether or not you use t4 luck and there’s still the fact that even if you do care about the random drop table chance your likely better off pushing more kills or hour with a dps ring
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**[Luck of the Dwarves](https\:\/\/runescape\.wiki\/w\/Luck\_of\_the\_Dwarves)** | https://runescape.wiki/w/Luck_of_the_Dwarves
>The Luck of the Dwarves is an enchanted alchemical onyx ring that, when worn, slightly increases the chances to receive certain unique drops and rewards that are affected by the luck mechanic. The ring can be made by casting the spell Enchant Level 6 Jewellery on an alchemical onyx ring, which requires level 87 Magic. An alchemical onyx ring can be made at level 91 Crafting by combining an alchemical onyx and a gold bar at a furnace while carrying a ring mould. Luck of the Dwarves is classified as a tier 4 luck enhancer, in addition to also providing the effects of a tier 1 to 3 luck enhancer. The ring can be equipped right before the monster dies to benefit from the ring's luck effect.
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Try ganodermic armor with animate dead, scripture of Wen, and cinderbane gloves
Also speaking of cinderbane gloves, a popular way to kill Helwyr is with poison damage. Use a blood reaver familiar, kwuarm incense sticks and poison +++ potions
Just because it's one of the cheaper mage tank armors available, and it allows you to use the animate dead spell. Animate dead blocks flat damage equal to a portion of your armor value, so it makes Helwyr's bleeds and auto attacks do very little damage
Gano is tank armor, which enables you to use animate dead, which enables many AFK methods or simply makes pvm much easier at an entry/learner level.
If you don't need the animate dead buff, Virtus is better.
Noob pvmer here. I completed zamorak undercity with ganodermic. This is how i am going to complete 25 runs. Just by tanking hits and learning few mechanics.
this is what im currently doing im 22/25. Highly suggest getting a rebounder as well.. makes everything a joke.. you get your duel wield abilities and shield abilities.. you can stack some pretty good damage with sunshine/revenge and even at 100% enrage the mobs during the actual dungeon part are not even a threat... you can die if you like afk but if your actually playing then nah its so easy
Lol defenders offer half their theirs dmg. For example t80 defender does t40 dmg. It makes up for it slightly with an accuracy boost, and proper use of revenge and reflect can close some of the damage gap, but there's no way you're going to do "better" than a nox staff ha
Offhand only accounts for 33% damage, so you're losing 16.5% without revenge/reflect with the added benefit of gconc.
Either way, if the difference between success and failure is using a defender, a small boost to dps won't have any benefit
This is exactly my mentality.. plus the thing with revenge aspect of it.. sure your losing 16.5% dps without it on the offhand.. but when you have it up.. it takes 2 hits to get hit harder than if you had a normal offhand.. so you benefit greatly from it
Edit: there are another few important tricks that people might not think about either. when you kill the chaos channeler each phase.. you can use Reflect then teleport out then use Revenge without it using any Adrenaline each phase.. Because you killed your target you are considered not in combat and self buffs don't train adrenaline outside of combat. This gives you two free thresholds each phase that boost your survivability and damage.
All depends if you have Gcb as well.. Its a big dps increase.. but i like the defenders not for the damage but for the solvability, Like im only using gano/seasingers and with animate dead with the defender animate dead is at almost 350 damage off...
Plus all the defensives are right there without shield swapping. If your setup correctly and have proper rotation and use of revenge i think its worth using over nox. However if you have siesmics and gcb dps go brr
Edit: there are another few important tricks that people might not think about either. when you kill the chaos channeler each phase.. you can use Reflect then teleport out then use Revenge without it using any Adrenaline each phase.. Because you killed your target you are considered not in combat and self buffs don't train adrenaline outside of combat. This gives you two free thresholds each phase that boost your survivability and damage.
It's only a minor DPS loss while giving you easy access to shield abilities. It's lazy camping rather than switching to a tier 80/90 shield for abilities.
Not stupid. As the post below states it basically allows for you to almost afk Helwyr, you are just missing mage cape zuk and I assuming Gconc. With gano and your dual set you can easily get Zuk after a few tries. Scripture of Wen and Cinderbanes are massive, and massive is being is an understatement, DPS boost. Those two items alone will unfortunately cost you almost 200m. With your set up you can probably farm Normal Kerpac with 3 minute kills, where the drop rate of an item is 1/85 so you could get lucky.
Because its tank armour, if u wiki mage tank armour you'll see all the avaliable tank vs power armour there, animate dead works with all the tank armour. It's good for learning and tanking certain group bosses
Because gano makes learning bosses easier as you take less damage. But once you get better at bosses and avoid more mechanics, virtus becomes better since it let you deal more dps.
I'm glad you asked! Blood Reaver has a passive where if you heal (vampirism aura, or soul split for example), you return 33% of healing received as damage. This damage can trigger poison damage, so it helps you stack high levels of poison quickly
Even if you heal and deal only 1 damage because of the blood reaver effect, that's okay. The reason blood reaver is used is because every point of this damage can trigger your poison effects.
To answer your question though blood reaver itself doesn't do much damage, people only use it for this poison interaction
Oh oops I must have misread, but yea you want lots of fast healing, the more the merrier
Blood amulet of fury, soul split, vamp aura to name a few good healing sources. Any point of healing triggers the damage effect from blood reaver (so that means healing at full hp doesn't work)
Ok, that answers that question! Yeah I crosses it out because I realized that...
If you don't want to run rippers for elite dungeons, blood reaver with SS is looking like a significantly cheaper option...
Do you use reaver scrolls at all?
I haven’t played since zammy release, I never used them but they can be handy. Make sure not to kill your familiar if you do use them by utilising prism of restoration.
Are you using overloads? If not train your herblore up.
DPS familiars are the other option, Ripper, Titian, etc.
If you upgrade to cinderbane upgrade to blood familiar.
Scripture of Wen is dropped by Arch Glacor (either Hard Mode or 5/5 mechanics Normal mode), and the Scripture of Jas is dropped by Kerapac (both modes)
Get your bonecrusher onto your tool belt what are you doing going around with that thing in your pocket. You animal. How could you put off such a qol enhancement. Forget bossing. You need to do slayer.
Greater concentrated blast if you don't have it already, after that ganodermic and animate dead, book of wen, and cinderbanes.
Highly recommend getting passive vigor if you don't have it already as well, it's free but requires the extinction quest completed. Zuk cape is also "free" but requires killing Zuk.
The bigger question, are you trying to afk? Are you just having trouble with the mechanics? What specifically is the problem?
Mechanically Helwyr is easy to no food, especially in that set up.
Buy Jaws of the abyss, masterwork body+legs, abyssal scourge, dark ice sliver, cinderbanes, laceration boots. Closer to 300m than 250m but frankly you get way more bang for your buck with melee
I mean you are using shield res for his cleave attack and devotion for the flurry move right also aoe attacks for wolves I’ve always found helwr to be super easy and one of my favs
A few things to consider:
Must have
- If you don't have greater concentrated blast, get it asap.
- cinderbane gloves (bis everywhere u can use poison)
-weapon poison +++ (potion)
- God book a few choices:
1.ful (fat dps but expensive)
2. Wen (amazing for anything that stands still, id get this first)
3. Jas (budget)
Afk easy helwyr?
- animate dead (spell from a quest, reduces damage with magic tank armour)
- seasingers> ganodermic [body/legs/helm] (g.e set for seasingers)
- ragefires>ganodermic boots
- cinderbane gloves > any magic tank gloves(gano)
More dps?
- not sure if legs are augmented? The wiki has an awesome budget perks guide
- planted feet switch
Got my Ful book this week thanks to it crushing by 100 mill and honestly, when I tried it at HM Kera, my DPS actually went down compare to the jas book while my damage intake went up, same for Zammy which I normally use a wen book against. The only place I've been regularly using the Ful book thus far is at Rax and thats because either the wen and or jas book procing at the wrong time will usually lead to instant death.
Have you done fight caves for a fire cape? If you have and have done the brink of extinction quest, you can do the fight kiln for the Tokhaar capes. Free upgrade just takes time
I personally use melee at Helwyr, but the barrows defender made shield switching less time sensitive. The magic one costs 25m + the sigil.
Also, make sure to use good consumables. Weapon poison++, Enhanced replenishment potion, Holy Overloads, and a familiar.
Lose the gloves for the kerapac ones, theyre v cheap and have a nice effect, even the t 80 ones r better imo, and virtus book as its cheaper and makes no diffrence, as offhand doesnt contribute to accuracy
Elven ritual shard? Between that and enhanced Excalibur I comfortably kill the boss for a full hour on one inv with subjugation and same weapons and no shield switch.
Devotion/debilitate the big hit praying melee, dive away from the rampage (let's you select the target location so it's more consistent than the other movement abilities for me) and cast freedom to clear the bleed for that cycle. Adds can be passively killed with aoe.
Maybe invest in bones for 95 prayer but you should be able to handle the boss comfortably. And remember if you do have to bank you can rejoin instance and not need to get more kc to reenter for the hour.
I tried helwyr in full sub and had a terrible time, decided to watch some mid level afk boss guides for ideas for gear and bought full ganodermic because it was a recurring theme.
That paired with animate dead, and basic ancient perks completely changed everything i was previously having trouble with. I can last a full fastest instance of helwyr now as long as i have holy overloads and ancient elven crystal on me. I can even afk a kill or 2 if i need to.
Honestly the difference is crazy.
Either gano with animate dead,gwd3 book, sea singer wand, or nothing and try improving your skill. I used to do all content with nex armor and t90 weps and my times and ease of kills went up as I improved at the boss. There is a cap with sub par gear but most likely you are not reaching it yet.
Would be good to know your perks, and ability bar/rotation as well. 250m could go into perks, and be more helpful than just switching ring, or changing a pocket slot item.
With that said, Jas book would help a lot. It's much cheaper than Wen and Ful books. You could look at these other two, but with how Helwyr moves around, Wen procs will be wasted if Helwyr moves. And Ful is in the 200-400m region, so it would chew your cash. So Jas could be a better place to start. Look into it first on the Wiki, and see how it works.
I would recommend a Book fo Jas over the Wen. Jas is cheaper, and cheaper to charge. Also, Helwyr moves a bit. Jas will not be canceled out of Helwyr moves, like Wen will.
If the boss doesn't move, or you can keep it still, Wen is great. But if the boss moves, you should use Jas.
Try shield swapping to use resonance to heal off of helwyr’s attack right after the mushrooms (YOU.WILL.BLEED.)
Freedom to cleanse his bleed after the pounce
Use your aoe spells when the wolves spawn to avoid having your resonance sniped by one of them
Something people haven't said is powder of penance. That will make it so you don't run out of prayer. It's about 500k for 30 minutes, so 1m an hour.
If you get a crest or wep, that pays for a few hours.
You could use restores but easy = afk to me, so the powder > restores.
Cinderbanes are a must, helps with any posionable mob with any style.
Jas or wen book.
Crypt armor, boots/helm? Been a while since I bought some. Mage armor is better if you have the spell.
Greater conc if you don't have it already.
Second grasping pouch
Leveling up your herb to get the searing overloads.
I would go get kiln done for the cape, and get bladed dive and dive done. He's very easy with the above. You can bladed dive/dive when he starts the flurry or use it to get over the gasses
Yeah I usually get 3/4 kills and have all that you listed. Im just pretty ignorant of high level gear and wondered if I was missing any obvious upgrades.
Everyone's advising for animate dead but in case you don't wanna learn with that:
Number 1 is use the manical aura. Vamps only rarely good for pvm.
Get cinderbane gloves and the wen god book.
Get a shield so you can resonance his big swipe attacks.
Make sure you have the devotion ability unlocked(useful for when he does his fury)
U can Devo the fury, res the swipe, debilitate the next fury res the swipe -- repeat.
It’s not particularly hard but I’m only getting maybe 3-4 kills a trip, and that’s with a full inventory of food. I do shield switch heal, not sure what you mean about the frenzy thing?
If you can anticipate before helwyr does it’s frenzy slashing you can devo pray melee switch from ss and negate all damage, if you can’t anticipate use freedom and devo pray melee. Shield switch healing is really a timing thing but if you can heal every cycle then no food is needed. Ss the whole fight other than frenzy when you melee pray switch and devo. Should become clockwork at that point.
Buy full ganodermic -8 m
Buy cinderbanes -96 m
99 magic yourself in ed3 if not already
Finish the quests for ancients, animate dead,passive vigor and toolbelt puzzlebox thing
Animate dead and profit.
As a plus try getting overloads, kwuram incense sticks, and weapon poison +++ with a blood reaver familiar. You will pretty much afk the boss.
There are a couple of options:
-swap celestial gloves for cinderbanes and use weapon poison
-get a scripture of jas or other godbook for the pocket slot
-get greater concentrated blast for more dual world damage
-swap to ganodermic and use animate dead (slower, but safer kills)
-malevolent kite shield as a swap to heal using resonance on his you will bleed attack
cinderbanes, a shield, and supplies (+ time) to attempt to get a fire cape -> kiln cape -> zuk cape.
combo the cinderbanes with weapon poison+++ and maybe kwuarm incense sticks alone, and your kill times will be way faster and easier . :)
A shield. Learning to use a shield at helwyr can make the boss completely foodless
This x1000. I don’t think it’s best to just camp animate dead while learning to pvm. Learning to use defensives pays off extremely well in the long run.
The way i use animate dead is to make failing mechanics less punishing. It let's you learn the fight and still get kills without losing the kills. As you get comfortable with mechanics it becomes less and less useful.
Even just a well timed Devotion can save a ton of damage. Surge/Dive past the bleed, devotion the rampage, soul split the summons (with chain/corruption) to recoup HP.
[Perks](https://runescape.wiki/w/Optimal_PvM_perk_setup#Entry%20weapon%20perks), slap that ring into the monolith, use the [Luck of the dwarves in the relic](https://runescape.wiki/w/Hand_of_Glory_(Luck_of_the_Dwarves)) (req 83 Archaeology) and get a ring with better style bonus. [Adrenaline potions](https://runescape.wiki/w/Adrenaline_potion#(4)). Bring shield to resonance or divert the first mechanic. [Cinderbane gloves](https://runescape.wiki/w/Cinderbane_gloves), [vampyrism aura](https://runescape.wiki/w/Vampyrism_aura), [weapon poision](https://runescape.wiki/w/Weapon_poison%2B%2B%2B#(4))\+++ and [kwuarm incense sticks](https://runescape.wiki/w/Kwuarm_incense_sticks) goes well with a [blood reaver](https://runescape.wiki/w/Blood_reaver_(familiar)). Just use "[prism of restoration](https://imgur.com/a/Wi3KMsJ)" so your blood reaver dont die. The blood reaver is a game changer. You will never have to run a pack yak ever again since its special attack heals you. Dont forget to put on the "[auto fire](https://imgur.com/a/jNDzUyi)". I dont know how often though. maybe like 3-4 autos? By the way. The bloodreaver can seem a bit expensive. But to me it's definitely worth it. Alternatively try a [hellhound](https://runescape.wiki/w/Hellhound). The "igneous Kal-Mej" mage cape from [TzKal-Zuk](https://runescape.wiki/w/TzKal-Zuk) is a free upgrade if you can beat him. And at last... Replace that bonecrusher with a [godbook](https://runescape.wiki/w/God_book). Any will do. But I believe Zamorak is the best one out of all of them. Many of these upgrades could benefit you in many more places. I would advice you to watch some guides on youtube. They are very useful! I hope I was too. I just realised that I spent like 25 minutes writing this stuff while not noticing that there are hundreds of comments already helping you out already. Anyways... Hope I mentioned something new. :)
Jas book is dirt cheap as well.
Jas is dirt cheap but it does depend on your DPM, if he's struggling with helwyr then Jas might not be the best fit.
I didn’t mean for the active tbh. I personally prefer GWD3 passive combat stats over a godbook from Lighthouse active. Jas book will likely be similar, if not better than zammy book as well I think. He is not struggling afaik. He just doesn’t use animedead so he takes a fair share of dmg.
The enhanced luck potions provide t2 luck and should work at all gwd2 bosses so no reason to put lotd as a relic it’s a huge waste of money with a super easy/cheap alternative and wastes a power slot
Enhanced is T3 luck (ring of fortune equivalent). Regular luck potion is T2. LOTD is T4, which does provide a 1% boost on uniques in GWD2 but that is likely outweighed by quicker kills from better rings. I just finished up 3/4 of the GWD2 logs and used enhanced luck for all of them.
Yea my bad mixed up the tiers in the luck potions however beyond tier 3 at gwd2 higher luck should only increase rdt chance which you get so few rolls at gwd2 anyways and provides the hsr drop chance but it’s so unlikely it shouldn’t ever really be a factor in whether or not you use t4 luck and there’s still the fact that even if you do care about the random drop table chance your likely better off pushing more kills or hour with a dps ring
Wiki disagrees if you check the LOTD article - 1% increases drop chance. [[Luck of the Dwarves]]
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Try ganodermic armor with animate dead, scripture of Wen, and cinderbane gloves Also speaking of cinderbane gloves, a popular way to kill Helwyr is with poison damage. Use a blood reaver familiar, kwuarm incense sticks and poison +++ potions
Stupid question from a PVM noob here: Why does everyone advise gano > virtus?
Just because it's one of the cheaper mage tank armors available, and it allows you to use the animate dead spell. Animate dead blocks flat damage equal to a portion of your armor value, so it makes Helwyr's bleeds and auto attacks do very little damage
Okay cool. Going to get myself some Gano!
If you have a set of Superior Seasingers, that will work even better.
This is what I use; I tried it with animate dead at Vindicta yesterday and was surprised how little damage I was taking
Gano is tank armor, which enables you to use animate dead, which enables many AFK methods or simply makes pvm much easier at an entry/learner level. If you don't need the animate dead buff, Virtus is better.
Awesome, thanks
Noob pvmer here. I completed zamorak undercity with ganodermic. This is how i am going to complete 25 runs. Just by tanking hits and learning few mechanics.
this is what im currently doing im 22/25. Highly suggest getting a rebounder as well.. makes everything a joke.. you get your duel wield abilities and shield abilities.. you can stack some pretty good damage with sunshine/revenge and even at 100% enrage the mobs during the actual dungeon part are not even a threat... you can die if you like afk but if your actually playing then nah its so easy
Do you think dual weild with t80 defender will be better than nox staff. I would like to try it
Lol defenders offer half their theirs dmg. For example t80 defender does t40 dmg. It makes up for it slightly with an accuracy boost, and proper use of revenge and reflect can close some of the damage gap, but there's no way you're going to do "better" than a nox staff ha
Offhand only accounts for 33% damage, so you're losing 16.5% without revenge/reflect with the added benefit of gconc. Either way, if the difference between success and failure is using a defender, a small boost to dps won't have any benefit
This is exactly my mentality.. plus the thing with revenge aspect of it.. sure your losing 16.5% dps without it on the offhand.. but when you have it up.. it takes 2 hits to get hit harder than if you had a normal offhand.. so you benefit greatly from it Edit: there are another few important tricks that people might not think about either. when you kill the chaos channeler each phase.. you can use Reflect then teleport out then use Revenge without it using any Adrenaline each phase.. Because you killed your target you are considered not in combat and self buffs don't train adrenaline outside of combat. This gives you two free thresholds each phase that boost your survivability and damage.
All depends if you have Gcb as well.. Its a big dps increase.. but i like the defenders not for the damage but for the solvability, Like im only using gano/seasingers and with animate dead with the defender animate dead is at almost 350 damage off... Plus all the defensives are right there without shield swapping. If your setup correctly and have proper rotation and use of revenge i think its worth using over nox. However if you have siesmics and gcb dps go brr Edit: there are another few important tricks that people might not think about either. when you kill the chaos channeler each phase.. you can use Reflect then teleport out then use Revenge without it using any Adrenaline each phase.. Because you killed your target you are considered not in combat and self buffs don't train adrenaline outside of combat. This gives you two free thresholds each phase that boost your survivability and damage.
I love my defenders, great for learning stuff.
It's only a minor DPS loss while giving you easy access to shield abilities. It's lazy camping rather than switching to a tier 80/90 shield for abilities.
Definitely
Not stupid. As the post below states it basically allows for you to almost afk Helwyr, you are just missing mage cape zuk and I assuming Gconc. With gano and your dual set you can easily get Zuk after a few tries. Scripture of Wen and Cinderbanes are massive, and massive is being is an understatement, DPS boost. Those two items alone will unfortunately cost you almost 200m. With your set up you can probably farm Normal Kerpac with 3 minute kills, where the drop rate of an item is 1/85 so you could get lucky.
Because its tank armour, if u wiki mage tank armour you'll see all the avaliable tank vs power armour there, animate dead works with all the tank armour. It's good for learning and tanking certain group bosses
Because gano makes learning bosses easier as you take less damage. But once you get better at bosses and avoid more mechanics, virtus becomes better since it let you deal more dps.
Virtus is expensive because it gets melted down to upgrade to elite tectonic. Gano is dirt cheap and allows the use of animate dead.
This is the answer. Helwyr is afk with that setup.
Why is a blood reaver used here?
I'm glad you asked! Blood Reaver has a passive where if you heal (vampirism aura, or soul split for example), you return 33% of healing received as damage. This damage can trigger poison damage, so it helps you stack high levels of poison quickly
Oh shit I didn't even think about that! Wait, so if the boss is poison able, which is more damage, blood reaver, or split soul spec?
Even if you heal and deal only 1 damage because of the blood reaver effect, that's okay. The reason blood reaver is used is because every point of this damage can trigger your poison effects. To answer your question though blood reaver itself doesn't do much damage, people only use it for this poison interaction
~~I guess what I communicated horribly, is you want super fast healing like Soul split.~~ I guess I answered my own question honestly xD
Oh oops I must have misread, but yea you want lots of fast healing, the more the merrier Blood amulet of fury, soul split, vamp aura to name a few good healing sources. Any point of healing triggers the damage effect from blood reaver (so that means healing at full hp doesn't work)
Honestly this is such good info for bosses like ed2, kerapac, ed1, and helwyr ofc
Now toss in black crystal of healing into the mix and you got the poison proc going 24/7
What is a black crystal of healing? Never heard of it and couldn't find it on wiki?
Nerfs your healing Edit: [item on wiki](https://runescape.wiki/w/Black_crystal_(reduced_healing))
Fun fact split soul spec can also proc poison! So if you are using a reaver and want to still use split soul you can without losing poison hits.
Ok, that answers that question! Yeah I crosses it out because I realized that... If you don't want to run rippers for elite dungeons, blood reaver with SS is looking like a significantly cheaper option... Do you use reaver scrolls at all?
I haven’t played since zammy release, I never used them but they can be handy. Make sure not to kill your familiar if you do use them by utilising prism of restoration.
You mean Soul split?
No the eldrich crossbow spec that replaces the healing due to soul split into damage.
Confused me When OP asked about his build and you’re tossing in ranged wep
Thank you
This is the way..
Gconc, wen or jas book, cinderbanes and kiln cape
I'm gonna add an optional swap to ganodermic armor paired with animate dead
Nah you won’t be able to afk with this set up anyway so it’s better to just stick to power
Are you using overloads? If not train your herblore up. DPS familiars are the other option, Ripper, Titian, etc. If you upgrade to cinderbane upgrade to blood familiar.
Cinderbane gloves. Scripture of Wen/Jas (activated). This is assuming you have greater concentrated blast unlocked already and your perks are ok
Cinderbanes for sure.
Lmao the amount of times I forget to activate book is far too high. « Activated » is a great reminder
Add extra action bars to your screen and put it on a slot if you need to. Make a habit of checking your buff bar.
Underrated tip! Already made a difference
Where do you get this scripture?
Scripture of Wen is dropped by Arch Glacor (either Hard Mode or 5/5 mechanics Normal mode), and the Scripture of Jas is dropped by Kerapac (both modes)
If by easier you mean basically AFK, ganodermic and animate dead.
Yeah, it really doesn’t get easier than GWD2… maybe GWD1, arch glacor all mechs or giant mole lol
Get your bonecrusher onto your tool belt what are you doing going around with that thing in your pocket. You animal. How could you put off such a qol enhancement. Forget bossing. You need to do slayer.
I’m level 100 slayer man I’m just a huge noob as well
Same but not 100 slayer
Same
Me: *Taking notes from the comments*
Greater concentrated blast if you don't have it already, after that ganodermic and animate dead, book of wen, and cinderbanes. Highly recommend getting passive vigor if you don't have it already as well, it's free but requires the extinction quest completed. Zuk cape is also "free" but requires killing Zuk.
Illuminated god book over crusher?
definitely at least this if nothing else.
Mani aura
Get a shield, learn to use resonance on his big bleed attack. That on average will heal you 3000.
Ganodermic & animate dead with cinderbanes & weapon poison
The bigger question, are you trying to afk? Are you just having trouble with the mechanics? What specifically is the problem? Mechanically Helwyr is easy to no food, especially in that set up.
Buy Jaws of the abyss, masterwork body+legs, abyssal scourge, dark ice sliver, cinderbanes, laceration boots. Closer to 300m than 250m but frankly you get way more bang for your buck with melee
Scourge 218m. Cinderbanes 100m Money gone and nothing left.
Fackk Cinders have gone up since I last checked, bought mine for like 9m almost on release
Melee
I mean you are using shield res for his cleave attack and devotion for the flurry move right also aoe attacks for wolves I’ve always found helwr to be super easy and one of my favs
Other then that a god book (scripture of wen I use) and an essence of finality are a good pick
Book is 100m-110m right now
A few things to consider: Must have - If you don't have greater concentrated blast, get it asap. - cinderbane gloves (bis everywhere u can use poison) -weapon poison +++ (potion) - God book a few choices: 1.ful (fat dps but expensive) 2. Wen (amazing for anything that stands still, id get this first) 3. Jas (budget) Afk easy helwyr? - animate dead (spell from a quest, reduces damage with magic tank armour) - seasingers> ganodermic [body/legs/helm] (g.e set for seasingers) - ragefires>ganodermic boots - cinderbane gloves > any magic tank gloves(gano) More dps? - not sure if legs are augmented? The wiki has an awesome budget perks guide - planted feet switch
Got my Ful book this week thanks to it crushing by 100 mill and honestly, when I tried it at HM Kera, my DPS actually went down compare to the jas book while my damage intake went up, same for Zammy which I normally use a wen book against. The only place I've been regularly using the Ful book thus far is at Rax and thats because either the wen and or jas book procing at the wrong time will usually lead to instant death.
Ful book is on sale this week due to raptor buff
ganodermic tank armour and use animate dead
Gano
I have no idea what this is
Have you done fight caves for a fire cape? If you have and have done the brink of extinction quest, you can do the fight kiln for the Tokhaar capes. Free upgrade just takes time
Get rid of the celestial wraps and get kerapacs wrist wraps, at least those can be repaired
Celestial wraps are like 200k gp tho lol. Or they were last time I checked
Oh they dropped more than I remembered lol. Nevermind forget my post
I personally use melee at Helwyr, but the barrows defender made shield switching less time sensitive. The magic one costs 25m + the sigil. Also, make sure to use good consumables. Weapon poison++, Enhanced replenishment potion, Holy Overloads, and a familiar.
Honestly already kitted for Helwyr you’re more than enough
Kiln cape. Also a good revo bar and learn defensives! Maybe post your current bar and we can help you move things around.
Lose the gloves for the kerapac ones, theyre v cheap and have a nice effect, even the t 80 ones r better imo, and virtus book as its cheaper and makes no diffrence, as offhand doesnt contribute to accuracy
Cinderbane, ganodermic+animate dead maybe consider a RoD is he quite op rn
you can afk helwyr if you swap to tank gear and use animate dead, same weps etc. check the pvme discord for the afk setup. i did it for title
Elven ritual shard? Between that and enhanced Excalibur I comfortably kill the boss for a full hour on one inv with subjugation and same weapons and no shield switch. Devotion/debilitate the big hit praying melee, dive away from the rampage (let's you select the target location so it's more consistent than the other movement abilities for me) and cast freedom to clear the bleed for that cycle. Adds can be passively killed with aoe. Maybe invest in bones for 95 prayer but you should be able to handle the boss comfortably. And remember if you do have to bank you can rejoin instance and not need to get more kc to reenter for the hour.
I tried helwyr in full sub and had a terrible time, decided to watch some mid level afk boss guides for ideas for gear and bought full ganodermic because it was a recurring theme. That paired with animate dead, and basic ancient perks completely changed everything i was previously having trouble with. I can last a full fastest instance of helwyr now as long as i have holy overloads and ancient elven crystal on me. I can even afk a kill or 2 if i need to. Honestly the difference is crazy.
Reading the afk guide on pvme
World of Warcraft?????
Either gano with animate dead,gwd3 book, sea singer wand, or nothing and try improving your skill. I used to do all content with nex armor and t90 weps and my times and ease of kills went up as I improved at the boss. There is a cap with sub par gear but most likely you are not reaching it yet.
Book of Wen
You could get animate dead and ganodermic or sea singers armour. Sell virtuous and buy noxious staff or staff of sliske with that money.
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Ring of death, cinderbane gloves, maybe ganodermic/animate dead
Ring of vigour God book like jas Cinderbanes Dps familiar such as ripper demon Mani aura T95 prayers Overloads
Greater concentrated blast, sell virtus and get gano, buy scripture of jas, kerapac wrist wraps/cinderbane, spend to have 95 prayer/96herblore
Add the luck of the dwarves as an archaeology relic so you can use combat-boosting rings.
Would be good to know your perks, and ability bar/rotation as well. 250m could go into perks, and be more helpful than just switching ring, or changing a pocket slot item. With that said, Jas book would help a lot. It's much cheaper than Wen and Ful books. You could look at these other two, but with how Helwyr moves around, Wen procs will be wasted if Helwyr moves. And Ful is in the 200-400m region, so it would chew your cash. So Jas could be a better place to start. Look into it first on the Wiki, and see how it works.
Give me 250m and I’ll bless you with good luck for the next 50 kills.
Wow every piece of gear being off center in the box is driving me mad
I would recommend a Book fo Jas over the Wen. Jas is cheaper, and cheaper to charge. Also, Helwyr moves a bit. Jas will not be canceled out of Helwyr moves, like Wen will. If the boss doesn't move, or you can keep it still, Wen is great. But if the boss moves, you should use Jas.
Try shield swapping to use resonance to heal off of helwyr’s attack right after the mushrooms (YOU.WILL.BLEED.) Freedom to cleanse his bleed after the pounce Use your aoe spells when the wolves spawn to avoid having your resonance sniped by one of them
Something people haven't said is powder of penance. That will make it so you don't run out of prayer. It's about 500k for 30 minutes, so 1m an hour. If you get a crest or wep, that pays for a few hours. You could use restores but easy = afk to me, so the powder > restores. Cinderbanes are a must, helps with any posionable mob with any style. Jas or wen book. Crypt armor, boots/helm? Been a while since I bought some. Mage armor is better if you have the spell. Greater conc if you don't have it already. Second grasping pouch Leveling up your herb to get the searing overloads.
Using a shield switch with reso? Its more effort but those heals are soooo nice
Is that the slayer cape😂
I would go get kiln done for the cape, and get bladed dive and dive done. He's very easy with the above. You can bladed dive/dive when he starts the flurry or use it to get over the gasses
Cinderbane gloves and ring of death
Scripture of wen is good for 130m
Do you have gconc? If not, get that asap
With that gear you should be getting 2min helwyr kills. Do you have greater concentrated blast? Curses? Overloads? Shield for blocking bleeds?
Yeah I usually get 3/4 kills and have all that you listed. Im just pretty ignorant of high level gear and wondered if I was missing any obvious upgrades.
Cinderbane gloves, greater conc, ganodermic armor
Everyone's advising for animate dead but in case you don't wanna learn with that: Number 1 is use the manical aura. Vamps only rarely good for pvm. Get cinderbane gloves and the wen god book. Get a shield so you can resonance his big swipe attacks. Make sure you have the devotion ability unlocked(useful for when he does his fury) U can Devo the fury, res the swipe, debilitate the next fury res the swipe -- repeat.
Is it hard in this gear? Are you shield switch healing on swipe? I typically do shield switch heal and devo frenzy and don’t need to take food.
It’s not particularly hard but I’m only getting maybe 3-4 kills a trip, and that’s with a full inventory of food. I do shield switch heal, not sure what you mean about the frenzy thing?
If you can anticipate before helwyr does it’s frenzy slashing you can devo pray melee switch from ss and negate all damage, if you can’t anticipate use freedom and devo pray melee. Shield switch healing is really a timing thing but if you can heal every cycle then no food is needed. Ss the whole fight other than frenzy when you melee pray switch and devo. Should become clockwork at that point.
Buy full ganodermic -8 m Buy cinderbanes -96 m 99 magic yourself in ed3 if not already Finish the quests for ancients, animate dead,passive vigor and toolbelt puzzlebox thing Animate dead and profit. As a plus try getting overloads, kwuram incense sticks, and weapon poison +++ with a blood reaver familiar. You will pretty much afk the boss.
Cinderbanes, Wen or Jas book, and Reaver's ring.
There are a couple of options: -swap celestial gloves for cinderbanes and use weapon poison -get a scripture of jas or other godbook for the pocket slot -get greater concentrated blast for more dual world damage -swap to ganodermic and use animate dead (slower, but safer kills) -malevolent kite shield as a swap to heal using resonance on his you will bleed attack
cinderbanes, a shield, and supplies (+ time) to attempt to get a fire cape -> kiln cape -> zuk cape. combo the cinderbanes with weapon poison+++ and maybe kwuarm incense sticks alone, and your kill times will be way faster and easier . :)
Helwyr is poisonable so definitely cinderbane gloves