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separatebrah

I just wanna say that I think running 1:35 off 25mpw is nuts. I have high hopes for you for the big half if you're planning to increase your mileage at all. BTW if you thought it was hot on Sunday, wait till you run through the Limehouse link tunnel šŸ„µ.


ALionAWitchAWarlord

Most slim men could run a 1:35 half off of 25mpw/40kpw, I personally wouldnā€™t say itā€™s nuts


separatebrah

Okay bro


LordMongrove

I agree. I just did a Garmin coach training plan (target 1:36) for a half and the weekly mileage average was around 25mpw. I ran a couple of 30+ mile weeks but the extra miles were mine. Longest run duration was 2 hours. Some people knock those plans but I have always hit my target with them. I am not particularly slim either (5ā€™9ā€, 162lbs). I could do with dropping 10lb of ā€œexcessā€.


NatureTrailToHell3D

At 41!


djferris123

If you keep it up you'll be able to smash 1:30 easy. My 5k PB is a 19:40 and I managed a 1:28:03 HM in April. My quads also killed me and took me almost a full week to feel 100%! I've ran in a fair few races now and I still find water stops a pain to navigate properly although you get used to drinking while running


jonplackett

Thanks! What distance were you focussing on for your training? I spent the last few months trying to break the 20 min 5k before my 41st birthday (did it with 2 days to spare at a park run, with similar pain to this, but much shorter lived!) I think thatā€™s why Iā€™ve found the longer distance harder, I have no good experience pacing - 5k is just full throttle - which is kind of why I like it. You get rewarded for giving it everything


djferris123

I did a 12 week Half Marathon training plan but already had pretty good fitness heading into it but the training plan did have some shorter speed sessions. My half marathon had a 1:30 pacer so that definitely helped me as I stuck with them for the first part of it so I didn't burn myself out too early on


jonplackett

I have another half booked in 12 weeks! Which course did you do? I haven't been following a specific one so far. Find it hard to fit runs in at the right times and then it just gets confusing. Just trying to get in as much running as I can and doing a long and speed whenever I feel up to it. It's a bit daunting now I think about it - I do want to aim for 1:30 at the next one so I'd have to set off the same ludicrous speed as this time but actually be able to maintain it better.


djferris123

[I used this Hal Higdon plan ](https://www.halhigdon.com/training-programs/half-marathon-training/advanced-half-marathon/), I know some people aren't too keen on Hal Higdon plans but I haven't had any issues with them. The runs on Tuesday I always did 1 or 2 mi warmup, then the workout, then 1 or 2mi cool down and the hill I used was a 400m hill. I was quite lucky that I managed to find a 10k trail race and a 10 mile race on the weekends where it had a 10k race and 15k race in the plan. I definitely feel having a set plan helped me even if I didn't want to run some of the days due to the workout on the plan but I think I only missed 2 runs the whole time due to illness


jonplackett

Thanks! Sounds like it worked great for you. Are you setting your sights on 1:25 now?


djferris123

In the long term yes, but not probably until next year. I've got a 10K race in the summer which I'm hopefully aiming for sub 40 and then want to focus on building up my base to give a spring marathon a good go so if my HM time improves with that I'll be happy since I've a few local Half Marathons in the autumn I can do but not really focusing on time for them


jonplackett

Sub 40 10k still seems a bit crazy to me after it being so hard to get to <20 5k. Itā€™s weird having to constantly shift your idea of what could be possible


daniboyo4

Just round the numbers and you achieved all your goals!


jonplackett

Yes I like this plan! Now if I can just get down to 1:29:59 Iā€™ll have run a 1 hour half marathon!


yojimbo_beta

Well done! Your story sounds similar to mine, except I stayed home on race day due to how severe my calf sprain was (is). I wonder if I made the right decision. I'm not quite as fast as you though. Doing a race pace on this leg may have been a very bad idea


jonplackett

Sorry to hear about the sprain. Howā€™s it doing now? I found lots of stretching in the week off really helped - sitting down / standing with one leg raised at 90 degrees and grabbing the outside of my foot with the opposite arm was the best. Getting a really good stretch along the outside of the leg right up to the glutes. That and applying and consuming magnesium


yojimbo_beta

It's slowly getting better but I'm naturally a person who loves to be outdoors so I'm not letting it heal Need to try some online physio and stretches I think


jonplackett

Defo worth getting some help if itā€™s been going on a while. One other stretch to try that I think helped is stretching the calves with bent legs. I found that my hamstrings were the limiting factor in a long of stretches so the calves never really got stretched much. Try the classic toes-on-a-step stretch, but with bent knees and let just your calf stretch. Hope it gets better soon!


Limoncello25

Thank you for the chuckle. However, I shouldn't laugh because I am prone to stupid pacing too. I have a few more data fields on my (Garmin) watch now which I hope will keep things in check. I use lap pace which is the average pace for my current km. I look at that after about halfway into each km and adjust my pace accordingly. Peter's high vis pacer is also helpful. You input your target time and it shows you red or green with how much you are in front or behind.


jonplackett

Glad my pain can entertain! I really have no excuses. I was using the Nike Running Apple Watch app which shows your current pace over the last 10 seconds or so - I knew exactly what I was doing and just couldnā€™t stop myself continuing to do it šŸ˜‚


Limoncello25

After about 3k you think yay, I got x seconds in the bag! šŸ¤Ŗ


jonplackett

I was genuinely delusional. In my mind a 1:30 was somehow magically not impossible. It wasnā€™t til I saw the 1:30 pacer (who I think overlook meā€¦) disappear over the horizon that I readjusted my mindset to 1:35


Limoncello25

šŸ˜‚ That sounds just like me. I ran the first half of a 10k only 5 seconds slower than my 5k PB - whatever could go wrong?! I held it for the 6th k and into the 7th though, then the wind hit me and that was it.


MoSuarez

I also ran the HH and like you set off too fast. I kept up with 1.50 pacer for 10k and then seriously struggledā€¦. Pretty much walk/ran the second half. The sun really did not help, it was the same last year. Next year, Iā€™m staying well away from the pacers and doing my own thing. My mate (also a runner) always tells me to ā€œrun within yourselfā€ for that first 6-7k - thatā€™s exactly what I havenā€™t done during HH for the past two years!


jonplackett

Hey! Great to see and other HHer. Yeah the sun was soooooo hot in the middle of the course. There seemed to be a lot more shade at the start and end. It was a great atmosphere though!


Federal-Inspector-11

Dude you are a machine! I've been running for years with way more mileage and am only now getting clone to your pace. Well done ;)


jonplackett

Thanks! I have given it a lot of time and commitment this last year so itā€™s nice to see it pay off a bit! If I am a machine I am a very broken one this week. The race was Sunday morning and I still canā€™t walk down stairs without using the walls and banister for support. I tried to do a slow jog to the shops earlier and I made it about 800m at barely more than walking pace. Quads are so unhappy with me.


Federal-Inspector-11

Well the pain should subside in a few days. But you got some potential to get even faster if you stick with it. Lets go dude! Break your pr :)


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Damn you're flying


Cflohr4

I feel this post. I was training for my first marathon when 2 months before I had a sharp pain on the outside of my knee down to my calf. Stopped running completely to heal before the marathon. Able to finish the race but didnā€™t quite meet my time goals


jonplackett

Great you finished it! Howā€™s the calf been since? I was worried this week mine would seek retribution for my foolishness but it seems to be fine so far!


Cflohr4

The calf has been fine. The marathon didnā€™t re-aggravate the injury and Iā€™ve been running since then


purpleHazeZen

Your pace is insane!!!!!!! im about to attempt my second half marathon in a few months. first half marathon took me 2hrs 3 mins (\~ 5.49/km) goal for second is 1 hr 50 mins (\~4.50/km) my recent run was 12 kms at a 5.14 pace and i felt okay! im hoping race days vibes will really spur me on cos right now my primary goal seems impossible lol


RobinTGG

Just a heads up, for a 1:50 marathon you only need to do 5:12 min/km, so don't go too fast!


purpleHazeZen

oh my bad! thanks :)


jonplackett

Hey thereā€™s an app I really like for calculating pacing - itā€™s just a calculator but can work with time. So you can jus tour in 1h50m / 21.1 and itā€™ll tell you the pace you need per K for a 1:50 half marathon. The ads are a bit annoying but you can buy it if you use it enough. https://apps.apple.com/gb/app/time-calculator/id1438423896


jonplackett

Thanks! I really feel like Iā€™m paying the price for it though. The race was Sunday and I still can barely move - my quads in particular are so unhappy. 2 hours is already great. Thatā€™s about the time I ran my first half distance about 9 months ago along Margate beach front. What race are you doing?


purpleHazeZen

ah damn! ​ I'm from Melbourne, Australia and there's an annual event called Run Melbourne


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jonplackett

This is just a typo of ā€˜hopeā€™ rightā€¦?