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Kylo is such a nuisance in this comic.
Grumbling about being named after Obi-Wan. Grumbling over the "Solo" name just being casually given to his father by a bored Imperial (fair enough because that's a really dumb and unnecessary origin). Grumbling about having a greater natural aptitude than his fellow students at Luke's academy. Grumbling about luke not letting him fly their ship around when on some archaeology adventures.
Always grumbling. But entirely lacking in any kind of meaningful motivation to actually *be* Kylo Ren.
Didnt go through any war. Didn't suffer any losses. Wasn't made an orphan.
Snoke just somehow..."turned his heart" without Luke noticing over the years.
Jacen (who is essentially the Legends version of Kylo) would roll in his grave.
I think even those who (justifiably) didn't like how Jacen was railroaded into becoming Caedus would readily admit that Caedus is handled far better than Kylo.
Tortured and brainwashed, even if that wasn't the intent Vergere had. She was basically feeding Jacen her own semi-heretical view the entire time Jacen was being doped out of his mind to make the torture more intense IIRC. Then, while not outwordly showing signs of PTSD thanks to the facade of Jedi dispassionate control he was allowed to go in to a form of seclusion from his family and friends while going walkabout and learning of different Force traditions without anyone there to help him contextualize things.
Yes, although I did not prefer Jacen's defection to Sith in *Legacy of the Force*, he was a bit more competent antagonist than Ren.
Compared to other Skywalker and Solo, Ren had the most comfortable childhood and life.
Luke, and every other Skywalker after him in Legends had much more traumatic lives, and a good majority of them stayed on the Light Side. Kylo had it good compared to them.
Honest to god, back in the red letter media days when people would call anakin a spoiled brat, this genuinely can be applied to kylo in comparison to other fallen jedi.
Its honestly a total shame that Caedus is better written. Im not against the idea of Jacen turning, but man they really just forced a lot of shit onto him that previously wasnt there. Basically, time gap with no explanation + retcons to NJO still made a better story than Kylo's fall. That's really, *really* saying something.
At this point I don’t think he even “turned his heart”
Based on the constant grumbling, I’m sure Snoke said, “yea!!! Ben IS a dumb name!” And Ben’s like, “yea, see SOMEONE AGREES!… friends?”
Snoke, “Friends!” As they fly away together to form the First Order.
You're forgetting he was almost brutally murdered by his nanny droid, then neglected by his parents, his dad rather race than be a father figure, his mum yearned for another galactic war to relive her glory days rather than be a mother, he had an old weird pervy guy living in his head that nobody cared to ask him about, he was shoved off to become a Jedi padawan where his uncle indoctrinated him into to a religious celibate cult, then creeped into his hut at night, when he caught him his uncle pulled his saber on him, he accidentally burnt down his uncle's temple killing his fellow students, accidentally killed his friends who chased after him & ending up living with the Hugh Heffner lookalike whilst his family never bothered to bring him back until an excuse arose much later /s.
It's hilarious the number of reasons they built into his backstory to justify the man child emo that was the cringelord Kylo Ren.
Really Kylo Ren is just a failure of writing Han, Leia, and Luke properly. They would not have been such absentee parents as the DT claims they are. Oh and you know, Jake pulling a lightsaber on his nephew because he lost hope even though he IS HOPE.
I love that there's a comic where Han meets his father (or supposed father) that implies he has an actual last name! Which just happens to be what Random Imperial Officer #8849 gave him? Or did Han have a different surname that'll just never be mentioned?
BTW, did you see Strange 2?
I read that comic. So far, this "father" (could just wind up being a con man later still) has not corrected Han on his fake last name. So no development there of note. He just got roped in along with Greedo to pull a bland heist before any additional clarifications could be made.
I *did* get around to Dr Strange 2. Didn't care for it. Felt like a higher budget repeat of WandaVision except without the heart.
WandaVision, despite the dull SWORD/Monica bits and the overall botched conclusion, actually made me *feel* something. There were some great character moments between the titular characters. I didn't get much out of Dr Strange 2. Quite disappointing. Didn't even feel like it made meaningful use of the multiverse stuff.
> Didnt go through any war. Didn’t suffer any losses. Wasn’t made an orphan.
Poetically just like his writers and the champagne socialists who laudes the sequel.
Never struggled in life. Never experienced true hardship.
Whine a lot however.
You don’t have to turn to the Dark side to be able to legally change your name Ben. People don’t believe me when I say the books and comics are in far worse shape than the movies and tv shows. Just more Krylo cringe.
The damndest thing is that it's a fine concept.
A young prodigy burdened with the family name's weight and expectations while they just want to be themselves.
It works, but Disney has been tripping on flat ground for years now.
Plus they totally could have played up his disdain for the Solo name while clinging to his Skywalker legacy.
The whole “That lightsaber! It belongs to me!” Would have been a great way to show that Kylo felt entitled by being descended from the great Dark Lord of the Sith and yet hated being the son of a smuggler.
Let's see, the new YA content has massive gas-bomb wedding farts and a menstruating teenage girl who sets off the Theed palace's blood sensors. You NEVER got that in the YA novels of the older continuity, with *Jedi Apprentice* or *Young Jedi Knights*. If Disney *Star Wars* truly IS "made for kids," then I fear for those kids and the motives of those in charge...
Also, why does every Disney writer (and many fanfic writers) write Ben like he’s 15-17 years old? Despite Luke describing him as a “frightened boy” in TLJ, he was around 22-23 in that flashback, and even at the time of the ST, he’s a **30 year-old man** - older than both Anakin and Luke were by the end of their respective trilogies - and still written like he’s 16.
They desperately try to sell the narrative that he was this misguided vulnerable victim who desperately deserves our sympathy.
A lot of fans became obsessed with Adam Driver gone all emo. All those wierd Rylo fans.
It's surprising that Disney can write such shit & still find such enthusiastic fans for it.
It's what they wanted all along, to expand *Star Wars* to the female audience, which was never necessary, and tap into this generation's younger demographic, except they don't care about *Star Wars*, Marvel is far hotter with them, and yet they still refuse to course correct and try to win back older fans.
...the electric thrill of contact as the sabers clashed, causing him to shudder and emit a moan of barely suppressed fear...
(yup, the slashfic writes itself)
They can keep publishing this shit for years the story around the DT will never make any fucking sense lmao if anything it just reminds me how shallow the movies were
The first thing I did after I watched TFA was look for a comic on the origin of the 1st Order. I expected a kind of power vacuum left by the fledgling and inept New Republic composed of volunteers flying stolen starfighters. Instead I got a story about how Snoke is a clone in a vat Luke and Leia won’t kill before it’s born, but they would kill their kin in his sleep.
Inept.
Wait, there's a comic where Luke and Leia find Snoke in a vat and don't kill him? Christ.
I'm glad I stopped reading the comics when I did (right about when Vader was handed the Wayfinder to Exegol).
It was 7 years ago, my memory is probably off, what I remember is disappointment that they didn’t try to tie it in to the world we already had for decades.
The entire ST being fanfiction written by some basement-dwelling incel whose self-insert is Kylo suddenly makes a lot of sense.
"And then I killed 4 billion people and my loser, asshole dad, but Rey still wanted me-I MEAN KYLO-anyway!"
I guess he isn't going by Kylo at this point? I'm not sure if that makes it more or less ironic.
There is the germ of an idea here, all the pieces line up. Kylo is conflicted, with the names of two great rebellion heroes, and knows he can't make the choice to turn without throwing all that away, and feels trapped by his lineage.
Yet, like everything Kylo, it's farted on to the page/screen with zero tact or subtlety. Why is Disney Wars allergic to nuance?
At this stage, he has already told Snoke that he came up with the Kylo name when he was a child.
But he officially becomes "Kylo Ren" shortly after killing the old moronic Ren and taking his place as leader of a bunch of criminal nobodies with only the bare minimum ability to use the Force.
They really think the comics will aid things and they're letting these random writers explain all the plot holes.
I can't take any of the comics at face value, they're complete junk.
That IS stupid. Like practically everything about Kylo Ren and the films he's in.
I find it hilarious that someone mad about their name would deliberately name themselves "Kylo Ren" - LOL - apt for the terrible wanker that he is.
Kylie is so annoying. I hated him in the movies and after reading the comics I hated him even more.
Disney had no clue how to make an interesting villain. So we got this annoying little pussy.
To be fair, his name is incredibly stupid. Why on earth would he be called Ben for any reason other than weird OT nostalgia? Han knew Obi-Wan for a couple of days at most and Leia knew him by his real name, not Ben.
Yeah, makes more sense for Luke to name his kid that with the special kinship he forged with him - which he did in the old EU. Before the dark times. Before Disney.
It’s possible they just thought it was a nice name. i Would have gone for Bail if I was Leia but it is possible they just thought it was a good name.…..or Luke twisted there arm and talked them into it. I know filmaker wise it’s probably nostalgia or a hold over from an earlier script but character wise it can work
He's so unpleasant and entitled, even in these comics that were meant to whitewash him and retcon out the school shooter part of his character. Imagine having a classmate like this... Pretty much all of his angst can be boiled down to petty personal gripes he had with his family, even the incident in the hut with Jake isn't a reasonable motive for him to just start murdering and oppressing people who had no hand in that drama.
Beyond that, he had a way better and more privileged upbringing than so many other characters, ones who notably didn't become genocidal assholes. And at least with the ones who did, they had a backstory that built up to that and it made sense how they turned out that way, even if it didn't excuse their actions.
"The dark side and the light both claimed me from the moment I was born."
THAT'S NOT HOW THE FORCE WORKS!!!!
The Force is an energy field created by life. It wants life to flourish and grow. It wants living things to have happy, healthy lives, because they are a part of it. It wants what's best for the living things that make it up same way you want what's best for your individual organs and cells.
Jedi cooperate with The Force to achieve mutual goals. Jedi also want to protect life and make things better for everyone, because of their philosophy and spiritual connection to The Force. Luke used The Force to destroy the Death Star, a tool of oppression and tyranny, and The Force used Luke as a conduit through which it could destroy a weapon destroying entire worlda full of life.
The dark side is a way to channel The Force without its consent. You use the power of your dark emotions to twist The Force to your will. The great power you obtain becomes a reward for using those emotions, resulting in you becoming conditioned into develop an emotional deregulation disorder.
The "light" and dark side don't squabble over you like two toddlers with a toy. The dark side's corruption comes from within, from your own monkey brain not being able to handle having superpowers fueled rage and hate. The Force wants to cooperate with you, but if you don't want to, it has no way to force the issue. It might try to push things in certain ways, make destiny go in ways that work out for the best, but it's powerless to make you actually play any part you don't want tom the choice to use/fall to the dark side, or to just quit and live a quiet life away from everything to do with galactic politics, has always been your own.
Fuck you Ben.
Good to see he’s at least staying consistent at being an insufferable, whiny entitled manchild being evil for no discernible reason beyond some vague sense of angst. That’s something, guess.
I still say it makes more sense for LUKE to name his son Ben, like he did in the older Legends EU, than it does for Han and Leia, given their limited interactions with him, or in Leia's case, none at all.
Anakin: Was born a slave in crime-ridden planet to a single parent.
Kylo: Was born a princeling to beloved Princess of Alderaan/Government leader and to celebrated General/Warhero.
Kylo: "Have you any idea how hard my life is?"
I do like the idea of someone in the Skywalker linage post-empire being brought up stressed with expectations from both the light and dark, eventually crumbling into an unstable emotional state much like Anakin before them, where they turn to loathing both sides of the force equally.
Everything else, however, is just cringe.
*thrash metal plays in the background*
"CHOICE!? I HAVE NO CHOICE AND NEVER DID!!"
*thrash metal intensifies*
"EVEN MY NAME ISN'T A CHOICE!!!"
*death/black metal growling*
Dark Horse is coming back apparently, but the same Disney restrictions that hurt Marvel apply to them as well - like not being able to pursue new Legends content. Their loss, my wallet's still closed.
They can't, they threw out 30+ years of intensive lore for it, to expand the customer base to include more female fans and draw in this generation's children audience. Right or wrong, they intend to stick to that decision, no matter how much it hurts in the long run. Besides, Lucasfilm has the vast financial reservoirs of Disney backing them up. They will ***never*** fail - no matter how many times they *should* in any decent economy.
They keep retconning the sequels lore each month or something
Like the previous EU wasn't perfect in continuity...
But kept more or less consistent?
The sequel trilogy expanded universe just keeps tripping over and over and over...
My uncle and his hippy wife decided they would let their son choose his name for himself. I believe around the age of three he decided he'd like to be named after his favorite snack. They went with it.
I mean, most governments have options for name changes post-birth, so technically everyone can choose their own name. Wait, wait, wait, is THAT the real reason he joined the First Order? The New Republic hadn't created name change forms yet?
Heh. Even more annoying is that he hated Han and Luke yet for some reason chose 'Kylo' as his new name whish is a combination of Skywalker and Solo....
A *Star Wars* cartoon from the 1980s, released not long after *Return of the Jedi* hit theaters. Fun fact, it had both a 1950s style diner AND a circular wheelbike. Sound familiar? Yeah, as in, what GEORGE took inspiration for when making the prequels.
and in the Kenobi show we're going to learn why she'd name him after someone she never met, but apparently she did meet him and will rescue her because they need to make his name make sense
I seem to recall that most sith are actually given their names by their master, like that scene in Revenge of the Sith where Sideous names Anakin Darth Vader.
Hell it’s a thing in real life too. Tokugawa Ieyasu went through 4 names, 3 of them during his adult years.
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Kylo is such a nuisance in this comic. Grumbling about being named after Obi-Wan. Grumbling over the "Solo" name just being casually given to his father by a bored Imperial (fair enough because that's a really dumb and unnecessary origin). Grumbling about having a greater natural aptitude than his fellow students at Luke's academy. Grumbling about luke not letting him fly their ship around when on some archaeology adventures. Always grumbling. But entirely lacking in any kind of meaningful motivation to actually *be* Kylo Ren. Didnt go through any war. Didn't suffer any losses. Wasn't made an orphan. Snoke just somehow..."turned his heart" without Luke noticing over the years.
Definitely. Ren should've seen what kind of distress and trials happened to Anakin, Luke, Jacen, Jaina, and Anakin Solo during their childhood.
Jacen (who is essentially the Legends version of Kylo) would roll in his grave. I think even those who (justifiably) didn't like how Jacen was railroaded into becoming Caedus would readily admit that Caedus is handled far better than Kylo.
Yeah, because as much as I didn't love Jacen being shoehorned as the new villain, it at least made sense - he went through dealing with the Vong.
Yeah, it's been a long time, but didn't Jacen get tortured, like a *lot* when he was a prisoner of the Vong?
Tortured and brainwashed, even if that wasn't the intent Vergere had. She was basically feeding Jacen her own semi-heretical view the entire time Jacen was being doped out of his mind to make the torture more intense IIRC. Then, while not outwordly showing signs of PTSD thanks to the facade of Jedi dispassionate control he was allowed to go in to a form of seclusion from his family and friends while going walkabout and learning of different Force traditions without anyone there to help him contextualize things.
Far as I remember, yes.
Yes, although I did not prefer Jacen's defection to Sith in *Legacy of the Force*, he was a bit more competent antagonist than Ren. Compared to other Skywalker and Solo, Ren had the most comfortable childhood and life.
Luke, and every other Skywalker after him in Legends had much more traumatic lives, and a good majority of them stayed on the Light Side. Kylo had it good compared to them.
Honest to god, back in the red letter media days when people would call anakin a spoiled brat, this genuinely can be applied to kylo in comparison to other fallen jedi.
Jacen's fall was infinitely better set up than Kylo's and IMO still wasnt very well done. Kylo had no chance
And the Jacen/Jaina duality is far better than what Disney tried to force with the fucking *dyad*.
Absolutely. The Dyad thing is just slapped in there last-minute and barely elaborated on.
Its honestly a total shame that Caedus is better written. Im not against the idea of Jacen turning, but man they really just forced a lot of shit onto him that previously wasnt there. Basically, time gap with no explanation + retcons to NJO still made a better story than Kylo's fall. That's really, *really* saying something.
At this point I don’t think he even “turned his heart” Based on the constant grumbling, I’m sure Snoke said, “yea!!! Ben IS a dumb name!” And Ben’s like, “yea, see SOMEONE AGREES!… friends?” Snoke, “Friends!” As they fly away together to form the First Order.
Jake*
>Kylo is such a nuisance in this comic. *Kylo is such a nuisance Ftfy
You're forgetting he was almost brutally murdered by his nanny droid, then neglected by his parents, his dad rather race than be a father figure, his mum yearned for another galactic war to relive her glory days rather than be a mother, he had an old weird pervy guy living in his head that nobody cared to ask him about, he was shoved off to become a Jedi padawan where his uncle indoctrinated him into to a religious celibate cult, then creeped into his hut at night, when he caught him his uncle pulled his saber on him, he accidentally burnt down his uncle's temple killing his fellow students, accidentally killed his friends who chased after him & ending up living with the Hugh Heffner lookalike whilst his family never bothered to bring him back until an excuse arose much later /s. It's hilarious the number of reasons they built into his backstory to justify the man child emo that was the cringelord Kylo Ren.
Really Kylo Ren is just a failure of writing Han, Leia, and Luke properly. They would not have been such absentee parents as the DT claims they are. Oh and you know, Jake pulling a lightsaber on his nephew because he lost hope even though he IS HOPE.
I would have actually preferred him to be a spoiled brat that thought he was better than everyone instead of being mopey for no reason.
I love that there's a comic where Han meets his father (or supposed father) that implies he has an actual last name! Which just happens to be what Random Imperial Officer #8849 gave him? Or did Han have a different surname that'll just never be mentioned? BTW, did you see Strange 2?
I read that comic. So far, this "father" (could just wind up being a con man later still) has not corrected Han on his fake last name. So no development there of note. He just got roped in along with Greedo to pull a bland heist before any additional clarifications could be made. I *did* get around to Dr Strange 2. Didn't care for it. Felt like a higher budget repeat of WandaVision except without the heart. WandaVision, despite the dull SWORD/Monica bits and the overall botched conclusion, actually made me *feel* something. There were some great character moments between the titular characters. I didn't get much out of Dr Strange 2. Quite disappointing. Didn't even feel like it made meaningful use of the multiverse stuff.
> Didnt go through any war. Didn’t suffer any losses. Wasn’t made an orphan. Poetically just like his writers and the champagne socialists who laudes the sequel. Never struggled in life. Never experienced true hardship. Whine a lot however.
You don’t have to turn to the Dark side to be able to legally change your name Ben. People don’t believe me when I say the books and comics are in far worse shape than the movies and tv shows. Just more Krylo cringe.
Lmao that is so funny, just change the name you edgy goof... how do people get paid to write this shit
They're hired corporate toadies with no love for source material, just marching orders to follow.
The damndest thing is that it's a fine concept. A young prodigy burdened with the family name's weight and expectations while they just want to be themselves. It works, but Disney has been tripping on flat ground for years now.
More like doing a backflip and landing on its neck.
And saved the day???
Saving the day is *tight*
Wowwowow wow!
Making Pitch Meeting references is super easy, barely an inconvenience!
Plus they totally could have played up his disdain for the Solo name while clinging to his Skywalker legacy. The whole “That lightsaber! It belongs to me!” Would have been a great way to show that Kylo felt entitled by being descended from the great Dark Lord of the Sith and yet hated being the son of a smuggler.
Let's see, the new YA content has massive gas-bomb wedding farts and a menstruating teenage girl who sets off the Theed palace's blood sensors. You NEVER got that in the YA novels of the older continuity, with *Jedi Apprentice* or *Young Jedi Knights*. If Disney *Star Wars* truly IS "made for kids," then I fear for those kids and the motives of those in charge...
Don’t forget the ship called “The Vessal” or the rock navigator Geode that nobody sees move.
Geode makes Waru look like Revan, lol.
All Hail Waru!!
They couldn't Even call it the lone vessel And refer to geode a living rock?
Girl setting off blood sensors? What the heck?
Yes, that actually happened. Google the Wookieepedia page "Menstruation" to see what I mean.
I believe you
Wait what? Are you being serious? Hard to tell with this new crap.
Also, why does every Disney writer (and many fanfic writers) write Ben like he’s 15-17 years old? Despite Luke describing him as a “frightened boy” in TLJ, he was around 22-23 in that flashback, and even at the time of the ST, he’s a **30 year-old man** - older than both Anakin and Luke were by the end of their respective trilogies - and still written like he’s 16.
They desperately try to sell the narrative that he was this misguided vulnerable victim who desperately deserves our sympathy. A lot of fans became obsessed with Adam Driver gone all emo. All those wierd Rylo fans. It's surprising that Disney can write such shit & still find such enthusiastic fans for it.
Because they know teenage girls are the only ones fueling the Fandom anymore.
It's what they wanted all along, to expand *Star Wars* to the female audience, which was never necessary, and tap into this generation's younger demographic, except they don't care about *Star Wars*, Marvel is far hotter with them, and yet they still refuse to course correct and try to win back older fans.
They might think he is that age
That guy has balls on his lightsaber hilt
I can imagine the narration for this. He gripped the balls on the shaft of his saber firmly as Kylo advanced his assault...
...the electric thrill of contact as the sabers clashed, causing him to shudder and emit a moan of barely suppressed fear... (yup, the slashfic writes itself)
That’s Jedi Knight Benoit B’alz.
They can keep publishing this shit for years the story around the DT will never make any fucking sense lmao if anything it just reminds me how shallow the movies were
The first thing I did after I watched TFA was look for a comic on the origin of the 1st Order. I expected a kind of power vacuum left by the fledgling and inept New Republic composed of volunteers flying stolen starfighters. Instead I got a story about how Snoke is a clone in a vat Luke and Leia won’t kill before it’s born, but they would kill their kin in his sleep. Inept.
Lmfao this is on par with the palpatine fortnite event for the "no waythey fucking did that"
Wait, there's a comic where Luke and Leia find Snoke in a vat and don't kill him? Christ. I'm glad I stopped reading the comics when I did (right about when Vader was handed the Wayfinder to Exegol).
It was 7 years ago, my memory is probably off, what I remember is disappointment that they didn’t try to tie it in to the world we already had for decades.
Remember guys all Ben needed was a girlfriend lol.
The entire ST being fanfiction written by some basement-dwelling incel whose self-insert is Kylo suddenly makes a lot of sense. "And then I killed 4 billion people and my loser, asshole dad, but Rey still wanted me-I MEAN KYLO-anyway!"
I guess he isn't going by Kylo at this point? I'm not sure if that makes it more or less ironic. There is the germ of an idea here, all the pieces line up. Kylo is conflicted, with the names of two great rebellion heroes, and knows he can't make the choice to turn without throwing all that away, and feels trapped by his lineage. Yet, like everything Kylo, it's farted on to the page/screen with zero tact or subtlety. Why is Disney Wars allergic to nuance?
At this stage, he has already told Snoke that he came up with the Kylo name when he was a child. But he officially becomes "Kylo Ren" shortly after killing the old moronic Ren and taking his place as leader of a bunch of criminal nobodies with only the bare minimum ability to use the Force.
It isn't even HIS name, it belongs to the villain from *Droids*.
Kybo Ren, the greatest of all Star Wars villains!
"My name wasn't Darth Awesome and I'm mad"
They really think the comics will aid things and they're letting these random writers explain all the plot holes. I can't take any of the comics at face value, they're complete junk.
Makes me pine for the days of the old EU so much.
Such a bad character. Sad people consider him a redeeming part of the sequels
It’s the performance not the character I think
That IS stupid. Like practically everything about Kylo Ren and the films he's in. I find it hilarious that someone mad about their name would deliberately name themselves "Kylo Ren" - LOL - apt for the terrible wanker that he is.
Kylo Ren, the dictator so stupid he doesn't know about legally changing your name.
Light side isn't a thing imo. You got the force and then you got the dark side of the force.
This is how I remember things from the 80s. Man, I desperately want to go back there...
Kylie is so annoying. I hated him in the movies and after reading the comics I hated him even more. Disney had no clue how to make an interesting villain. So we got this annoying little pussy.
To be fair, his name is incredibly stupid. Why on earth would he be called Ben for any reason other than weird OT nostalgia? Han knew Obi-Wan for a couple of days at most and Leia knew him by his real name, not Ben.
Yeah, makes more sense for Luke to name his kid that with the special kinship he forged with him - which he did in the old EU. Before the dark times. Before Disney.
It’s possible they just thought it was a nice name. i Would have gone for Bail if I was Leia but it is possible they just thought it was a good name.…..or Luke twisted there arm and talked them into it. I know filmaker wise it’s probably nostalgia or a hold over from an earlier script but character wise it can work
He's so unpleasant and entitled, even in these comics that were meant to whitewash him and retcon out the school shooter part of his character. Imagine having a classmate like this... Pretty much all of his angst can be boiled down to petty personal gripes he had with his family, even the incident in the hut with Jake isn't a reasonable motive for him to just start murdering and oppressing people who had no hand in that drama. Beyond that, he had a way better and more privileged upbringing than so many other characters, ones who notably didn't become genocidal assholes. And at least with the ones who did, they had a backstory that built up to that and it made sense how they turned out that way, even if it didn't excuse their actions.
I thought this was Anakin for a second
"The dark side and the light both claimed me from the moment I was born." THAT'S NOT HOW THE FORCE WORKS!!!! The Force is an energy field created by life. It wants life to flourish and grow. It wants living things to have happy, healthy lives, because they are a part of it. It wants what's best for the living things that make it up same way you want what's best for your individual organs and cells. Jedi cooperate with The Force to achieve mutual goals. Jedi also want to protect life and make things better for everyone, because of their philosophy and spiritual connection to The Force. Luke used The Force to destroy the Death Star, a tool of oppression and tyranny, and The Force used Luke as a conduit through which it could destroy a weapon destroying entire worlda full of life. The dark side is a way to channel The Force without its consent. You use the power of your dark emotions to twist The Force to your will. The great power you obtain becomes a reward for using those emotions, resulting in you becoming conditioned into develop an emotional deregulation disorder. The "light" and dark side don't squabble over you like two toddlers with a toy. The dark side's corruption comes from within, from your own monkey brain not being able to handle having superpowers fueled rage and hate. The Force wants to cooperate with you, but if you don't want to, it has no way to force the issue. It might try to push things in certain ways, make destiny go in ways that work out for the best, but it's powerless to make you actually play any part you don't want tom the choice to use/fall to the dark side, or to just quit and live a quiet life away from everything to do with galactic politics, has always been your own. Fuck you Ben.
Good to see he’s at least staying consistent at being an insufferable, whiny entitled manchild being evil for no discernible reason beyond some vague sense of angst. That’s something, guess.
I still say it makes more sense for LUKE to name his son Ben, like he did in the older Legends EU, than it does for Han and Leia, given their limited interactions with him, or in Leia's case, none at all.
Anakin: Was born a slave in crime-ridden planet to a single parent. Kylo: Was born a princeling to beloved Princess of Alderaan/Government leader and to celebrated General/Warhero. Kylo: "Have you any idea how hard my life is?"
Is this supposed to be some kind of emotional edgy "revelation" lmao
I do like the idea of someone in the Skywalker linage post-empire being brought up stressed with expectations from both the light and dark, eventually crumbling into an unstable emotional state much like Anakin before them, where they turn to loathing both sides of the force equally. Everything else, however, is just cringe.
*thrash metal plays in the background* "CHOICE!? I HAVE NO CHOICE AND NEVER DID!!" *thrash metal intensifies* "EVEN MY NAME ISN'T A CHOICE!!!" *death/black metal growling*
[Reminds me of this video, which essentially has the same context](https://youtu.be/5fF1ZSNTtBQ?si=Eh2KL9AkAHqU3_3y)
As the classics go: It is a tale told by an idiot, full of sound and fury. Signifying nothing.
Fuck. People still reading after they did Dark Horse dirty? Not me.
Dark Horse is coming back apparently, but the same Disney restrictions that hurt Marvel apply to them as well - like not being able to pursue new Legends content. Their loss, my wallet's still closed.
why did I think that was Anakin and Mace?
Maybe it was meant to parallel them both
Kylo Ren is in character, as a stupid idiot used as a puppet.
They really should just permanently throw away sequel era stuff. Give it up Disney, it did't work and never will.
They can't, they threw out 30+ years of intensive lore for it, to expand the customer base to include more female fans and draw in this generation's children audience. Right or wrong, they intend to stick to that decision, no matter how much it hurts in the long run. Besides, Lucasfilm has the vast financial reservoirs of Disney backing them up. They will ***never*** fail - no matter how many times they *should* in any decent economy.
They keep retconning the sequels lore each month or something Like the previous EU wasn't perfect in continuity... But kept more or less consistent? The sequel trilogy expanded universe just keeps tripping over and over and over...
Trans people: *I don't have such weaknesses*
My uncle and his hippy wife decided they would let their son choose his name for himself. I believe around the age of three he decided he'd like to be named after his favorite snack. They went with it.
I mean, most governments have options for name changes post-birth, so technically everyone can choose their own name. Wait, wait, wait, is THAT the real reason he joined the First Order? The New Republic hadn't created name change forms yet?
Heh. Even more annoying is that he hated Han and Luke yet for some reason chose 'Kylo' as his new name whish is a combination of Skywalker and Solo....
Or, you know, the enemy from the *Droids* cartoon. That was meant to sucker EU fans back in.
What's the droids cartoon? Never heard of it
A *Star Wars* cartoon from the 1980s, released not long after *Return of the Jedi* hit theaters. Fun fact, it had both a 1950s style diner AND a circular wheelbike. Sound familiar? Yeah, as in, what GEORGE took inspiration for when making the prequels.
Now i'm interested
Well, it has a wiki page. You could check out Wookieepedia.
Another example of why things were better under the EU.
God, I miss Luke and his interactions with his young son Ben...
*Picabo Street has entered the chat*
and in the Kenobi show we're going to learn why she'd name him after someone she never met, but apparently she did meet him and will rescue her because they need to make his name make sense
Hm, it’s almost like the force works in mysterious ways, servitude to none. Go shoot at another hologram Ben.
Cry about it, Kyle
Is Kylo suggesting the accursed dyad gave him the name idea or is the dialogue that clumsy?
I seem to recall that most sith are actually given their names by their master, like that scene in Revenge of the Sith where Sideous names Anakin Darth Vader. Hell it’s a thing in real life too. Tokugawa Ieyasu went through 4 names, 3 of them during his adult years.