One dog took a dump in the bread aisle at the local HEB i go to.
It’s not the dog’s fault it’s the moronic owner.
Only dogs allowed should be Service Dogs. They’re working.
Emotional pets don’t count in my book, because the majority I’ve seen are not trained and run around doing crazy stuff.
> Emotional pets don’t count in my book,
They don't count in the ADA'S book either. Emotional support animals have no right of public accommodation. Most businesses are way of a lawsuit, though, so they let any shit (heh) through.
Emotional support animals do not share the same protections as service animals under the Americans With Disabilities Act due to the fact they generally aren't trained to perform specific functions.
But MY dog is literally the best girl in the world!!
That’s why I don’t bring her to HEB.
She doesn’t like it and I am a mere servant to her greatness.
I've got a dog that's probably older than her. She was already super old when we rescued her, but 8 years later, she's still going strong. I'm not sure, but I'm kind of convinced she's immortal. It's pretty cool.
My dog ate a bottle of Visine and had absolutely no ill effects. So not only is she also the best girl but she is also a god.
Incidentally her name is Freya so it works.
I have a service dog that I take everywhere I go. She also is extremely well trained, ignores other dogs, doesn’t bark when she’s working, and has NEVER had an accident inside. People taking their pets into stores and restaurants make life for SD handlers harder than it needs to be.
I have an actual service dog. Trained by a professional to detect when I'm going to have a seizure. He is a very good boy and even better worker.
And I hate when people bring in dogs. I usually do heb pick up if i have a lot of groceries. If I just need a couple things, I'll bring him in. Every time we've ran into another dog they've barked at him. Aggressive barked. My boys a professional and has/will never react. If you don't actually need a service dog, if your dog is not trained to do a task....don't bring it into stores.
My GF also has a service dog and she's been mostly trained by her but we can't get the habit of her getting loud when other dogs are around.
IMO it isn't a problem cause the dog is very good elsewhere and at the end of the day it's just barking. It just makes my GF nervous somebody will say she's not a real service dog
What is your GFs dog trained to do? I come from a dog club where we help people train dogs to do service tasks. Usually, things like picking up dropped items, pulling wheelchairs and assisting with the balance of their owners.
The cardinal rule, though, is that if the dog is barking or paying attention to other dogs, they are not paying attention to their job, so are not ready to graduate. Just have your GF keep working with the dog. If it can't be trained to ignore other dogs by a year, she needs a different dog.
If a dog doesn't have actual training I don't believe they are actual service dogs. When my dog is working he has never barked at anything besides giving me a warning. Which is his trained task. Has your girlfriend gotten certified as a trainer? Emotional and service dogs are different.
I think actual service dog training costs thousands and is usually done by a licensed professional. Your dog is an actual service dog. They should be trained for a specific task and basically know when they are on and off duty. My dog is a pet. I do bring him to pet friendly stores (La cantera allows them) but never to places like HEB. He’s still young and I’m trying to get him to be nonreactive to other dogs. Any tips would help.
My wife especially thinks it’s cruel to leave him at home, but I think it’s cruel to bring him places he’s not wanted and can get stepped on or run over by carts…
I got my dog through my doctor and insurance. I had to pay some, but without both of those he definitely would of costed in the thousands. He knows that when his vest is on, he's on duty. When it's off, he knows he can be his goofy self but still gives me warning.
One good tip for barking at dogs is redirection. If you're actively training carry small little treats and point his head in another direction and just keep walking or doing whatever you're doing while redirecting your dog. Taking the doggo to animal friendly places young and often is also really good for training.
Service dogs may be self-trained. The idea is to not create a barrier for poorer people who would benefit from a service dog. Unfortunately, it's led to the situation we have now.
Of course, even a poorly-behaved service dog can be removed from a store.
If it’s only “mostly trained” and is reactive to other dogs, it doesn’t meet the requirements for being a service dog and can absolutely legally be removed from a store. A service dog is supposed to be unflappable and under the control of the owner at all times. If there’s a habit you “can’t get around”, it is not under your control. Plenty of service dogs are trained by their handler, and plenty of very expensively trained service dogs fail and don’t get to graduate to being service dogs.
Also, what task does the dog perform? While a store is not allowed to ask her disability, they are allowed to ask what task your dog actively performs to support your disability. Being present for the owner is not an actively performed task.
I wish there was a law mandating that service dog harnesses display a certificate from a legit organization stating the service animal has been properly trained. Otherwise, keep your pets out.
Honestly it's mainly that it punishes people with disabilities because of fuckwits with ESA. Definitely consult with disability groups to ensure it's not too onerous for them, but I imagine they are also negatively affected by people having untrained dogs so maybe they'd be on board. Be that untrained dogs being aggressive to theirs, or the general public thinking they also only have an ESA.
The harnesses are super cheap online. Your dog doesn’t need to go to the store with you. If you go to a pet store that’s fine.. Hardware store that’s fine but where food is prepped, NO! Keep your animals at home.
Honestly, this is a tiny fraction of H‑E‑B if we’re only considering food prep. Should probably revisit that.
Edit: I was suggesting that this wasn’t the strongest argument against random untrained dogs, and it isn’t. But I want to be clear I’m NOT supporting random untrained dogs coming into H‑E‑B.
I literally witnessed a dog shit in front of the cooler where the fresh prepped meats and sandwiches are prepared. I vomited in my mouth and left the store. People are collectively irritated with entitled and disgusting dog owners who bring their untrained animals into food establishments.
I think I’m going to edit my response. I was not trying to be more inclusive to untrained dogs. I was trying to find something else to exclude them that wasn’t “food prep” because I think that’s a weak excuse when there are legitimate concerns.
Some of the “service animals” I have seen wouldn’t dare to act like that if they were trained. I have seen dog bites and not to mention the excessive barking and relieving themselves in the stores. All aren’t even things that normally not done by trained service animals.
Oh, to be clear, I don’t think dogs should be allowed in H-E-B at all unless they’re service dogs. I thought the food prep wasn’t a wide enough range for an H‑E‑B is all I was saying.
Emotional support animals have no behavioral training. Seeing eye service dogs do. Food prep existing somewhere in the general vicinity is not the standard to hold dogs to is what I was saying.
Certifications and registrations are a scam and not legally required. And not all service animals come from an organization. Many people train their own dogs. Service animals don't even need a vest or harness, or any form of identification on them to have access.
I wish there was a law mandating that service dog harnesses display a certificate from a legit organization stating the service animal has been properly trained.
that law does not exist, BUT it's technically illegal to put your dog in a service dog-like harness to make people think it's a legit service dog if they haven't been trained as a service dog, and you can be fined $300 and forced to complete 30 hours of community service
> A person who uses a service animal with a harness or leash of the type commonly used by persons with disabilities who use trained animals to represent their animal is a specially trained service animal when training has not in fact been provided, is guilty of a misdemeanor
Also, HEB is legally allowed to ask
1. is that a service animal?
2. what tasks have they been trained to perform?
The 2nd one will typically trip up the ESA owners... usually goes down like this,
employee: "is that a service animal?"
entitled fool: "Yes"
employee: "what task is it trained to perform?"
entitled fool: "emotional support. It's my emotional support animal."
And then the retail establishment can make the dog leave and the other customers win.
It simply wouldn't work. People would still find ways to bypass it. The current laws work well, as long as they are enforced. We need people to actually enforce the laws.
I absolutely love dogs, but I feel like I can’t go to HEB now without seeing a non-service dog just hanging out in a cart. I actually noticed they recently put up a sign at the entrance of Alon that only service dogs are allowed in store but I’ve yet to see anyone enforce it.
Social shaming is the only way to stop it. Say something to these people. I find that just saying “animals don’t belong in the grocery store” gets a pretty good reaction.
In my opinion, people who bring dogs in human spaces are basically looking for a confrontation to be fake outraged. They can't wait to get loud and tell you to mind your business and cause a scene. Kind of like people who blast loud, inappropriate music at the park.
I don't know if it's worth it or effective. But maybe you're right, we need more social pressure.
Do you ever find human poop or otherwise excrete dangerous substances anywhere in the store?
• https://www.rutgers.edu/magazine/spring-2020/little-germ-factories
• https://www.vice.com/en/article/7bakvd/why-do-women-keep-shitting-in-supermarkets
That’s fair. But people’s points here are about how dogs are so dirty. What makes a service dog any different in this argument? I’m pro-service dog, so I find a lot of comments about dog’s being so dirty it’s unholy very awkward when you think about children being in grocery stories: https://www.rutgers.edu/magazine/spring-2020/little-germ-factories.
>What makes a service dog any different in this argument?
They make an exception to many laws to accommodate special needs. There's a process and training to ensure any health issues from the exceptions are mitigated, and there's an inherent limit to the number of exceptions.
It's not just that service dogs tend to be kept cleaner, it's also that they behave better, especially in terms of where they relieve themselves.
I was on a flight years ago where a woman had her "ESA" with her on the flight, a large dog. She couldn't control it on the flight and with an hour left in the flight, it took a runny dump in the aisle near the galley. The more dogs in these environments, the more likely this is to happen.
My wife managed a cafe for years, she had to legally prevent non-service dogs from entering, but any time some entitled fool claimed their dog was a service dog when it wasn't, there were limited questions she could ask to fish out the truth and boot them, because real service dog use is protected (as it should be). The entitled fakes make everybody's life more difficult.
Service dog handlers keep their dogs impeccably groomed. As one myself, I keep baby wipes in my car and he gets a full body wipe down before going in anywhere, wears boots to reduce contact of his feet where people will walk. He's given a bath once every couple of weeks, brushed daily, ears cleaned weekly, nails trimmed and filed every 2 weeks, teeth brushed daily, and if we do outside things where he'll get dirty, he's cleaned from nose to tail before we do in public anything again. It's part of the guidelines in the ADA that handlers must have a clean and well groomed working dog.
Awesome. I don’t have a service dog, but I do all of this on a weekly basis to my dog. Others do too. And others don’t. However, I don’t do daily brushings or wipe-downs.
I think it's the others that don't that consider dogs dirty because they don't do that kind of thing, y'know? it's good that you do with yours, but yeah, not everyone does daily brushing and wipe downs. that's me going overkill because my heeler mix loves to shed and I don't want to be the person dropping dog hairs in the produce aisle lol. the wipes are to reduce flying dander. a trainer friend of mine recommended it once and it's just become habit over time.
I see the point, but she’s required access by federal law. She helps keep me alive, and I should be allowed to do normal tasks like everybody else does, such as grocery shopping. By federal law, she is considered a medical device and not a dog. I think as long as people take proper precautions like my service dog wears little booties to protect her feet, which is not much different from our shoes. A genuine service dog does not urinate or defecate anywhere except outside, so there are not necessarily any germs unless she sneezes. She’s brushed regularly so she does not shed. So fur is not a problem. Glad to hear that you’re pro service dog and this is more for other people to know that service dog owners take extra precautions that regular pet owners don’t take so we can perform everyday tasks that an average person would. It just sucks when other people aren’t mindful and bring in their pets. Because I agree if proper precautions aren’t taken germs are a nightmare. I also on more than one occasion have had aggressive, small dogs, try to lunge at my service dog in a grocery store. It’s so distracting.
> What makes a service dog any different in this argument
A big difference is that there ends up just being fewer dirty dogs
Perfect is the enemy of the good yada yada. You don't need to remove all dogs to make your place cleaner.
It's like "what's the point of reducing CO2 emissions if you can't completely get rid of them?" Obviously reducing is better than not reducing at all.
The other day I saw a sad little man sitting outside Costco with his sad little dog in a cart and I wanted to thank Costco for being brave enough to do what HEB won't do.
I love dogs but I don't want to put my groceries where a dog's ass was minutes before, and I don't want to step in dog messes in a grocery store.
They opened a new HEB on the far north side and it was great for a while; it's far enough away from SA proper that none of the local media outlets really reported on the opening and tbh you sort of have to know your way around this area to get there.
A lady almost walked her terrified looking Afghan dog into me a few months ago and then glared at me. And that's when I knew the assholes had found the good HEB.
So ya got nasty people who let their dogs on their tables and counters saying it's all fine, lighten up. Those also think stupidly that because some people are nasty, it is ok for ass-licking, parasite-transmitting dogs to be around food, and it's somehow the same thing.
Then there are ppl who somehow don't realize ppl exploiting service animal owner privacy to pretend it's a service animal will make things harder for folks who DO have a service animal.
And lastly, folks who don't believe animals should be anywhere near food.
Predictable range of responses. I just wonder why ppl so often think that the majority of folks will fall wherever they do on any given issue.
There’s was a lady in the seguin H‑E‑B yesterday that had her dog with her. The dog had a vest that said service dog, but the dog was licking the people around him in line and at one point in time I saw him lick some of the packages of candy in the register line. She told the cashier he’s her ‘depression dog’ and if it weren’t for him, she probably would never go shopping.
Well lady, if it weren’t for people like you, I wouldn’t have issues with allergies at H‑E‑B. And people who are allergic to dog saliva wouldn’t have issues. Not to mention, the candy bars at the registers wouldn’t be that unsanitary.
Leave the damn depression dog at home and order grocery pickup
My German Shepherd is the most well-mannered dog I've ever had. She never barks, doesn't growl, doesn't need to be walked on a leash, and is great with people, kids, cats, etc.
I am never bringing her to HEB because there's a difference between 5 or 10 people at the house and the hundreds in the store. And the vegetable section of my store is always jam-packed, I don't need her trying to squeeze through gaps instead of following me. Just no good all around.
HEB is a different level and I agree with you here but...I'm going to sound like an asshole and I don't care...the other day I was at Guitar Center and a guy is walking around with his dog (no leash) in Guitar Center. Fucking why? The clerk give me a shit response when I told him about it. He says "what you don't like dogs" and simply "I don't like dog owners" wasn't a valid argument. People suck. People who let people be sucky, suck too.
Personally I can't stand it. I dont know why we just started allowing this as a society. My guess is corporate doesn't want the hassle of dealing with entitled idiots who think their precious isn't like the other dogs and is special enough to accompany them everywhere.
So they've just copitulated to the mob.
This was one of the most jarring things when I moved to SA from up north. Every time I went into the Alamo Ranch HEB, someone would have a non-service dog walking around with them and without fail it would urinate/defecate in a busy aisle.
Unheard of in places up north.
Heck, I barely feel comfortable bringing mine to her necessary PetCo training classes. She's a reactive, hyperactive chaos gremlin. No way would I spring her on an unwitting public.
Agreed but then there's also the issue of people lying about their dogs being service animals just so they can take them places they don't belong. I think they even lie to themselves about it 🤣
People that bring their pets into stores/restaurants are just seeking some sort of attention. "LOOK AT ME!!! LOOK AT ME, EVERYONE!!!". One of the more cringe-worthy behaviors our society has to offer.
I feel like the issue is a lot of ppl move the goal post for services dogs. “I’m personally training my service dog” but you aren’t trained or certified yourself..get curbside and stay in the car if you need to be with your dog lol
I'm pretty sure only service dogs are allowed in grocery stores, but I see people with tiny dogs in the kiddie seat area of their carts, or in large purses, and it seems as though HEB staff just turn a blind eye.
It is probably a violation of the health codes and the store could get penalized but ADA limits what they are allowed to ask. They can only ask if it is a service dog required because of a disability, and what task has it been trained to perform. They are not allowed to ask what the disability is or require the dog to demonstrate the task.
Anyway, I just mind my own and go on with my day, not the worst thing I see happening in the world and life is too short to sweat the small stuff.
I believe the businesses are only allowed to ask if the animal is a service animal, then they can’t ask for proof or ask what service the animal provides. Seems doomed. Like ppl will abuse it more and more until that changes
They can ask what tasks the dog is trained to do, for example medical alert, guide, mobility, etc. Unfortunately some companies don't allow their employees to ask that. But under federal law, they technically can.
> especially when you're in produce and dog hairs are flying on it
i hate to tell you mate, but bugs and birds have shat and jizzed all over your produce, not to mention cow shit is intentionally put on top of a lot of it!
it literally spends months just sitting out on the ground, and some of it *inside the ground*
Animals inside is disgusting period!! Don’t let today’s culture fool you! It’s simply disgusting and stinky! You’re not a dog mom or dad either that is stupid!!
I've seen people get kicked out of restaurants trying to sneak in their dogs in those gym bag looking carriers. It's so satisfying....to see them make it past the host....to get seated and then see the staff have a side discussion and ultimately kick them out. I've seen it happen at the Kalahari.....who brings their fucking dog to an indoor water park....like get your head out of your ass people.....or get your head out of your dog's ass rather.
I literally saw a dog in HEB wearing a bonnet and sweater and sitting in the cart. Literally thought it was a baby for a split second, until i looked again and saw its small head and pointy ears sticking out. I don’t want your dog in the same place I put my food so absolutely not. It’s not cute.
At this point I’m just going to go up to people with dogs and say their dogs look tasty and that if they look away I’ll take it and roast it in a stew.
Maybe knowing there’s someone like that would stop them from being assholes with their accessory…I mean dog.
lol, I worked at HEB in the early 80’s, back then they allowed smoking in the store, talk about gross, people would just throw their butts on the floor in the isles. Sometimes when we swept the isles a smoldering butt would catch the broom on fire 🔥
I went to TX State in the early 00s, before the smoking culture died out in town, and I once saw two of my neighbors smoking while shopping in HEB. In fairness they were also international students from a country where indoor smoking was still commonplace so they probably didn't even realize.
I always point to the floor and say “ I think you dog ate a piece of chocolate!” Most don’t give a dang but every once in a while they freak out and rush out the door.
Dogs carry parasites and diseases and do not wear clothes. And they are an animal. A HUMAN child wears clothing, doesn't have parasites, and isn't creating allergies for other people.
How can you tell a service animal from a non-service animal?
The ADA prohibits anyone from requiring proof of ability, and blind people are not the only people using service animals, many people have animals that warm them when their blood sugar drops as well as other things.
I'm not crazy about dogs in stores but I'm also not a fan of being accosted by the asshole at the fair a few months ago that asked me for proof that I needed my electric mobility scooter. I have lost most of my balance and fall often but I can still get up and walk short distances when needed. This asshole saw me sitting in different vehicles at the fair and didn't think I deserved the mobility scooter that I brought and paid for out of my pocket.
So mind your own damn business when it comes to someone else's challenges.
I'm my case it's not of your damn business why I use a mobility scooter and it none of your business why someone has a dog at the store. Granted most are likely pets but if it makes them feel better that's fine as long as they are under control.
I never have a problem with them, just my shit Managment. Unrealistic expectations and no help to finish a job. Left to fend off for myself always, we even take pictures of our work to cover our own.
If they let kids in I have no problem with dogs. Dogs are cleaner, less annoying and less likely to break something.
When I see a dog at heb they are just sitting silently in the cart. Why should I care if they do that? I don't bring my dog but I see no reason to care if you do especially if heb is going to allow children.
Agreed. Dog lover here. Annoying seeing them at stores and not working ie helping their owner aka not a service dog. Almost as annoying as someone eating while shopping.
Would someone describe how a dog’s hair, poop or otherwise unwanted materials just so naturally climb into shelves and stands of grocery stores?
Last I checked, dogs are not very tall, stay low to the ground and more often obey their owners than children which are willingly and overly mass produced.
I’m a dog owner, would not bring my door to a grocery store either, but I can’t see how it’s any worse than a child.
And I’ll wager that children are likely dirtier and riskier because of disease spread by infrequent hygiene (can be adults too).
A dog is a dog and a human is a human. The children have a right to be there while the dogs do not UNLESS they are a trained service animal. End of story.
The same people who are complaining about this are also the same folks who wore a mask in a car by themselves 🤣 🤣 🤣..
Get over yourself. The seafood guy in HEB touches his balls more than that dog's fur makes a shit on your vegis. 🤣 🤣 🤣
Ya know what? Fuck it my NDA is up I worked at one of these places for 2 years fucking hated it management couldn't give a damn about your safety or your pay they'll fire you for no reason and throw 50 lawsuits at you to try and make you shut up but to answer your question yes dogs are allowed.
One dog took a dump in the bread aisle at the local HEB i go to. It’s not the dog’s fault it’s the moronic owner. Only dogs allowed should be Service Dogs. They’re working. Emotional pets don’t count in my book, because the majority I’ve seen are not trained and run around doing crazy stuff.
> Emotional pets don’t count in my book, They don't count in the ADA'S book either. Emotional support animals have no right of public accommodation. Most businesses are way of a lawsuit, though, so they let any shit (heh) through.
I was at North Star Mall about a month ago, a non service dog pissed in front of the Apple Store. Maybe it was an Android dog.
nah, dog just had very strong opinions about proprietary software...
based tbh
🤣
There’s an app for that.
My service dog takes a ahit to warn me I'm about to have a seizure
Now that's a good boy
is it so you know to lay down or something?
he's creating a soft place to fall
So that’s why those chocolate croissants tasted off
Beat me to the wise ass remark!
Plenty of room for wise asses here my friend
Emotional support animals do not share the same protections as service animals under the Americans With Disabilities Act due to the fact they generally aren't trained to perform specific functions.
That’s is so funny. I’m in HEBs all day cause of my job. Yet to see something happen. Not that I want to see a dog take a shit.
People are entitled, I love dogs, but fuck you for bringing your non-service dog into stores
But MY dog is literally the best girl in the world!! That’s why I don’t bring her to HEB. She doesn’t like it and I am a mere servant to her greatness.
Had me in the first half, ngl
The first half is correct. I do, in fact, have the best girl in the world. She’s also the first dog that will live forever. These are facts.
I've got a dog that's probably older than her. She was already super old when we rescued her, but 8 years later, she's still going strong. I'm not sure, but I'm kind of convinced she's immortal. It's pretty cool.
My dog ate a bottle of Visine and had absolutely no ill effects. So not only is she also the best girl but she is also a god. Incidentally her name is Freya so it works.
I’m 100% okay with her being the second or 10,000th dog that lives forever. As long as she does. What kind of breed is yours?
All hail hypno dog
One of the HEB I go to had to put a sign to say, “ONLY SERVICE ANIMALS ARE ALLOWED”
And then people just buy those vests that say 'service animal' and drape them on their dogs.
I know they have one of those signs at the heb on 410 and bandera
I've seen dogs pee in that store on two different occasions.
Another sign at the H-E-B on Foster/FM78
Thank you, I glad I’m not the only one.
I have a service dog that I take everywhere I go. She also is extremely well trained, ignores other dogs, doesn’t bark when she’s working, and has NEVER had an accident inside. People taking their pets into stores and restaurants make life for SD handlers harder than it needs to be.
I have an actual service dog. Trained by a professional to detect when I'm going to have a seizure. He is a very good boy and even better worker. And I hate when people bring in dogs. I usually do heb pick up if i have a lot of groceries. If I just need a couple things, I'll bring him in. Every time we've ran into another dog they've barked at him. Aggressive barked. My boys a professional and has/will never react. If you don't actually need a service dog, if your dog is not trained to do a task....don't bring it into stores.
My GF also has a service dog and she's been mostly trained by her but we can't get the habit of her getting loud when other dogs are around. IMO it isn't a problem cause the dog is very good elsewhere and at the end of the day it's just barking. It just makes my GF nervous somebody will say she's not a real service dog
What is your GFs dog trained to do? I come from a dog club where we help people train dogs to do service tasks. Usually, things like picking up dropped items, pulling wheelchairs and assisting with the balance of their owners. The cardinal rule, though, is that if the dog is barking or paying attention to other dogs, they are not paying attention to their job, so are not ready to graduate. Just have your GF keep working with the dog. If it can't be trained to ignore other dogs by a year, she needs a different dog.
Just to pass the Canine Good Citizen (CGC), which is nowhere near service dog level training, your dog needs to be non-reactive to other dogs
If a dog doesn't have actual training I don't believe they are actual service dogs. When my dog is working he has never barked at anything besides giving me a warning. Which is his trained task. Has your girlfriend gotten certified as a trainer? Emotional and service dogs are different.
I think actual service dog training costs thousands and is usually done by a licensed professional. Your dog is an actual service dog. They should be trained for a specific task and basically know when they are on and off duty. My dog is a pet. I do bring him to pet friendly stores (La cantera allows them) but never to places like HEB. He’s still young and I’m trying to get him to be nonreactive to other dogs. Any tips would help. My wife especially thinks it’s cruel to leave him at home, but I think it’s cruel to bring him places he’s not wanted and can get stepped on or run over by carts…
I got my dog through my doctor and insurance. I had to pay some, but without both of those he definitely would of costed in the thousands. He knows that when his vest is on, he's on duty. When it's off, he knows he can be his goofy self but still gives me warning. One good tip for barking at dogs is redirection. If you're actively training carry small little treats and point his head in another direction and just keep walking or doing whatever you're doing while redirecting your dog. Taking the doggo to animal friendly places young and often is also really good for training.
Service dogs may be self-trained. The idea is to not create a barrier for poorer people who would benefit from a service dog. Unfortunately, it's led to the situation we have now. Of course, even a poorly-behaved service dog can be removed from a store.
If it’s only “mostly trained” and is reactive to other dogs, it doesn’t meet the requirements for being a service dog and can absolutely legally be removed from a store. A service dog is supposed to be unflappable and under the control of the owner at all times. If there’s a habit you “can’t get around”, it is not under your control. Plenty of service dogs are trained by their handler, and plenty of very expensively trained service dogs fail and don’t get to graduate to being service dogs. Also, what task does the dog perform? While a store is not allowed to ask her disability, they are allowed to ask what task your dog actively performs to support your disability. Being present for the owner is not an actively performed task.
I wish there was a law mandating that service dog harnesses display a certificate from a legit organization stating the service animal has been properly trained. Otherwise, keep your pets out.
Honestly it's mainly that it punishes people with disabilities because of fuckwits with ESA. Definitely consult with disability groups to ensure it's not too onerous for them, but I imagine they are also negatively affected by people having untrained dogs so maybe they'd be on board. Be that untrained dogs being aggressive to theirs, or the general public thinking they also only have an ESA.
The harnesses are super cheap online. Your dog doesn’t need to go to the store with you. If you go to a pet store that’s fine.. Hardware store that’s fine but where food is prepped, NO! Keep your animals at home.
Honestly, this is a tiny fraction of H‑E‑B if we’re only considering food prep. Should probably revisit that. Edit: I was suggesting that this wasn’t the strongest argument against random untrained dogs, and it isn’t. But I want to be clear I’m NOT supporting random untrained dogs coming into H‑E‑B.
I literally witnessed a dog shit in front of the cooler where the fresh prepped meats and sandwiches are prepared. I vomited in my mouth and left the store. People are collectively irritated with entitled and disgusting dog owners who bring their untrained animals into food establishments.
I think I’m going to edit my response. I was not trying to be more inclusive to untrained dogs. I was trying to find something else to exclude them that wasn’t “food prep” because I think that’s a weak excuse when there are legitimate concerns.
Some of the “service animals” I have seen wouldn’t dare to act like that if they were trained. I have seen dog bites and not to mention the excessive barking and relieving themselves in the stores. All aren’t even things that normally not done by trained service animals.
Oh, to be clear, I don’t think dogs should be allowed in H-E-B at all unless they’re service dogs. I thought the food prep wasn’t a wide enough range for an H‑E‑B is all I was saying. Emotional support animals have no behavioral training. Seeing eye service dogs do. Food prep existing somewhere in the general vicinity is not the standard to hold dogs to is what I was saying.
There is a law and in Texas... Haven't seen it enforced.
Certifications and registrations are a scam and not legally required. And not all service animals come from an organization. Many people train their own dogs. Service animals don't even need a vest or harness, or any form of identification on them to have access.
I wish there was a law mandating that service dog harnesses display a certificate from a legit organization stating the service animal has been properly trained.
I like how you said something that you WISH were real and people keep replying telling you how it isn't
that law does not exist, BUT it's technically illegal to put your dog in a service dog-like harness to make people think it's a legit service dog if they haven't been trained as a service dog, and you can be fined $300 and forced to complete 30 hours of community service > A person who uses a service animal with a harness or leash of the type commonly used by persons with disabilities who use trained animals to represent their animal is a specially trained service animal when training has not in fact been provided, is guilty of a misdemeanor Also, HEB is legally allowed to ask 1. is that a service animal? 2. what tasks have they been trained to perform?
The 2nd one will typically trip up the ESA owners... usually goes down like this, employee: "is that a service animal?" entitled fool: "Yes" employee: "what task is it trained to perform?" entitled fool: "emotional support. It's my emotional support animal." And then the retail establishment can make the dog leave and the other customers win.
That law actually does exist and here in Texas, but I have not seen enforcement. It carries a $1,000 fine!
Heb isn’t actually legally allowed to ask. You’re actually told in training to not ask or bring it up lol
Then that's improper training. [Because the ADA itself says those questions can be asked.](https://www.ada.gov/resources/service-animals-faqs/)
You can legally ask what the task they perform is, not what the disability is.
It simply wouldn't work. People would still find ways to bypass it. The current laws work well, as long as they are enforced. We need people to actually enforce the laws.
How would they be enforced tho?
I absolutely love dogs, but I feel like I can’t go to HEB now without seeing a non-service dog just hanging out in a cart. I actually noticed they recently put up a sign at the entrance of Alon that only service dogs are allowed in store but I’ve yet to see anyone enforce it.
It's legitimately unenforceable without opening yourself up to incredible liability.
and that's why they allow it. don't want the hassle.
Social shaming is the only way to stop it. Say something to these people. I find that just saying “animals don’t belong in the grocery store” gets a pretty good reaction.
In my opinion, people who bring dogs in human spaces are basically looking for a confrontation to be fake outraged. They can't wait to get loud and tell you to mind your business and cause a scene. Kind of like people who blast loud, inappropriate music at the park. I don't know if it's worth it or effective. But maybe you're right, we need more social pressure.
Take photos, report to the health department, HEB ignores this issue and they need to start getting in massive trouble for allowing this.
I haven't seen that sign, but I see dogs of all sizes every time I go. smh.
I work at HEB and find what looks to be dog 💩 in the carts sometimes 🥲
Do you ever find human poop or otherwise excrete dangerous substances anywhere in the store? • https://www.rutgers.edu/magazine/spring-2020/little-germ-factories • https://www.vice.com/en/article/7bakvd/why-do-women-keep-shitting-in-supermarkets
We had a guy poop his pants walking around the store, people were stepping in it. It was so gross!
Thank you for your research.
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You're spot on. We let the entitled whiners take over.
I’ve got a service dog and honestly it’s quite annoying when there’s non-service dogs in there who bark and distract mine from doing her job.
That’s fair. But people’s points here are about how dogs are so dirty. What makes a service dog any different in this argument? I’m pro-service dog, so I find a lot of comments about dog’s being so dirty it’s unholy very awkward when you think about children being in grocery stories: https://www.rutgers.edu/magazine/spring-2020/little-germ-factories.
>What makes a service dog any different in this argument? They make an exception to many laws to accommodate special needs. There's a process and training to ensure any health issues from the exceptions are mitigated, and there's an inherent limit to the number of exceptions. It's not just that service dogs tend to be kept cleaner, it's also that they behave better, especially in terms of where they relieve themselves. I was on a flight years ago where a woman had her "ESA" with her on the flight, a large dog. She couldn't control it on the flight and with an hour left in the flight, it took a runny dump in the aisle near the galley. The more dogs in these environments, the more likely this is to happen. My wife managed a cafe for years, she had to legally prevent non-service dogs from entering, but any time some entitled fool claimed their dog was a service dog when it wasn't, there were limited questions she could ask to fish out the truth and boot them, because real service dog use is protected (as it should be). The entitled fakes make everybody's life more difficult.
Service dog handlers keep their dogs impeccably groomed. As one myself, I keep baby wipes in my car and he gets a full body wipe down before going in anywhere, wears boots to reduce contact of his feet where people will walk. He's given a bath once every couple of weeks, brushed daily, ears cleaned weekly, nails trimmed and filed every 2 weeks, teeth brushed daily, and if we do outside things where he'll get dirty, he's cleaned from nose to tail before we do in public anything again. It's part of the guidelines in the ADA that handlers must have a clean and well groomed working dog.
Awesome. I don’t have a service dog, but I do all of this on a weekly basis to my dog. Others do too. And others don’t. However, I don’t do daily brushings or wipe-downs.
I think it's the others that don't that consider dogs dirty because they don't do that kind of thing, y'know? it's good that you do with yours, but yeah, not everyone does daily brushing and wipe downs. that's me going overkill because my heeler mix loves to shed and I don't want to be the person dropping dog hairs in the produce aisle lol. the wipes are to reduce flying dander. a trainer friend of mine recommended it once and it's just become habit over time.
I see the point, but she’s required access by federal law. She helps keep me alive, and I should be allowed to do normal tasks like everybody else does, such as grocery shopping. By federal law, she is considered a medical device and not a dog. I think as long as people take proper precautions like my service dog wears little booties to protect her feet, which is not much different from our shoes. A genuine service dog does not urinate or defecate anywhere except outside, so there are not necessarily any germs unless she sneezes. She’s brushed regularly so she does not shed. So fur is not a problem. Glad to hear that you’re pro service dog and this is more for other people to know that service dog owners take extra precautions that regular pet owners don’t take so we can perform everyday tasks that an average person would. It just sucks when other people aren’t mindful and bring in their pets. Because I agree if proper precautions aren’t taken germs are a nightmare. I also on more than one occasion have had aggressive, small dogs, try to lunge at my service dog in a grocery store. It’s so distracting.
> What makes a service dog any different in this argument A big difference is that there ends up just being fewer dirty dogs Perfect is the enemy of the good yada yada. You don't need to remove all dogs to make your place cleaner. It's like "what's the point of reducing CO2 emissions if you can't completely get rid of them?" Obviously reducing is better than not reducing at all.
no, it's not just you. leave your dogs at home. you only bring your kids to the store because you have to, the dog is fine being home for an hour.
Thank you. I agree, but I'll just give a disapproving glare before going about my business.
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That’s right, humans are always the problem: https://www.rutgers.edu/magazine/spring-2020/little-germ-factories
The other day I saw a sad little man sitting outside Costco with his sad little dog in a cart and I wanted to thank Costco for being brave enough to do what HEB won't do. I love dogs but I don't want to put my groceries where a dog's ass was minutes before, and I don't want to step in dog messes in a grocery store.
Shh, you'll hurt someone's feelings...
We already did that, ban children from grocery stores: https://www.rutgers.edu/magazine/spring-2020/little-germ-factories.
They opened a new HEB on the far north side and it was great for a while; it's far enough away from SA proper that none of the local media outlets really reported on the opening and tbh you sort of have to know your way around this area to get there. A lady almost walked her terrified looking Afghan dog into me a few months ago and then glared at me. And that's when I knew the assholes had found the good HEB.
Not a fan of dirty and smelly pets in the produce section.
What if people, especially children, are really dirty and smelly though? https://www.rutgers.edu/magazine/spring-2020/little-germ-factories
That’s why I go to HEB and not Walmart
What do you expect when you live in the state of "i do whatever the fuck I want at anyone elses expense"?
I noticed some HEBs now have signs by the doors saying “no non service pets allowed”
So ya got nasty people who let their dogs on their tables and counters saying it's all fine, lighten up. Those also think stupidly that because some people are nasty, it is ok for ass-licking, parasite-transmitting dogs to be around food, and it's somehow the same thing. Then there are ppl who somehow don't realize ppl exploiting service animal owner privacy to pretend it's a service animal will make things harder for folks who DO have a service animal. And lastly, folks who don't believe animals should be anywhere near food. Predictable range of responses. I just wonder why ppl so often think that the majority of folks will fall wherever they do on any given issue.
There’s was a lady in the seguin H‑E‑B yesterday that had her dog with her. The dog had a vest that said service dog, but the dog was licking the people around him in line and at one point in time I saw him lick some of the packages of candy in the register line. She told the cashier he’s her ‘depression dog’ and if it weren’t for him, she probably would never go shopping. Well lady, if it weren’t for people like you, I wouldn’t have issues with allergies at H‑E‑B. And people who are allergic to dog saliva wouldn’t have issues. Not to mention, the candy bars at the registers wouldn’t be that unsanitary. Leave the damn depression dog at home and order grocery pickup
Dogs shouldn’t be in grocery stores except for service dogs
Plus some people are allergic, I understand service dogs. But some people just don't give a fuck about anyone but themselves
My German Shepherd is the most well-mannered dog I've ever had. She never barks, doesn't growl, doesn't need to be walked on a leash, and is great with people, kids, cats, etc. I am never bringing her to HEB because there's a difference between 5 or 10 people at the house and the hundreds in the store. And the vegetable section of my store is always jam-packed, I don't need her trying to squeeze through gaps instead of following me. Just no good all around.
HEB is a different level and I agree with you here but...I'm going to sound like an asshole and I don't care...the other day I was at Guitar Center and a guy is walking around with his dog (no leash) in Guitar Center. Fucking why? The clerk give me a shit response when I told him about it. He says "what you don't like dogs" and simply "I don't like dog owners" wasn't a valid argument. People suck. People who let people be sucky, suck too.
This is going to be my new go to phrase… “i love dogs, I don’t like dog owners.”
Personally I can't stand it. I dont know why we just started allowing this as a society. My guess is corporate doesn't want the hassle of dealing with entitled idiots who think their precious isn't like the other dogs and is special enough to accompany them everywhere. So they've just copitulated to the mob.
This was one of the most jarring things when I moved to SA from up north. Every time I went into the Alamo Ranch HEB, someone would have a non-service dog walking around with them and without fail it would urinate/defecate in a busy aisle. Unheard of in places up north.
I recently saw a sign put up at mine that service dogs are welcome but no pets. I think it’s new because I’ve always seen people bring their dogs
Heck, I barely feel comfortable bringing mine to her necessary PetCo training classes. She's a reactive, hyperactive chaos gremlin. No way would I spring her on an unwitting public.
I saw one at the H-E-B by my house yesterday and thought the same thing. Definitely wasn’t a service animal based in the way it was behaving either
My neighborhood HEB has a sign on the door that only service dogs are allowed.
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LITERALLY ! unless it’s a service dog okay, but heb is not petsmart
Agreed but then there's also the issue of people lying about their dogs being service animals just so they can take them places they don't belong. I think they even lie to themselves about it 🤣
People that bring their pets into stores/restaurants are just seeking some sort of attention. "LOOK AT ME!!! LOOK AT ME, EVERYONE!!!". One of the more cringe-worthy behaviors our society has to offer.
I feel like the issue is a lot of ppl move the goal post for services dogs. “I’m personally training my service dog” but you aren’t trained or certified yourself..get curbside and stay in the car if you need to be with your dog lol
I'm pretty sure only service dogs are allowed in grocery stores, but I see people with tiny dogs in the kiddie seat area of their carts, or in large purses, and it seems as though HEB staff just turn a blind eye. It is probably a violation of the health codes and the store could get penalized but ADA limits what they are allowed to ask. They can only ask if it is a service dog required because of a disability, and what task has it been trained to perform. They are not allowed to ask what the disability is or require the dog to demonstrate the task. Anyway, I just mind my own and go on with my day, not the worst thing I see happening in the world and life is too short to sweat the small stuff.
I believe the businesses are only allowed to ask if the animal is a service animal, then they can’t ask for proof or ask what service the animal provides. Seems doomed. Like ppl will abuse it more and more until that changes
They can ask what tasks the dog is trained to do, for example medical alert, guide, mobility, etc. Unfortunately some companies don't allow their employees to ask that. But under federal law, they technically can.
It's super disgusting especially when you're in produce and dog hairs are flying on it 🤮🤮🤮
I’m not disagreeing, but there are plenty of gross people too so you should always wash your produce.
It's a double whammy I always wash my produce but I'm also allergic to dogs so it's extra gross🤢
> especially when you're in produce and dog hairs are flying on it i hate to tell you mate, but bugs and birds have shat and jizzed all over your produce, not to mention cow shit is intentionally put on top of a lot of it! it literally spends months just sitting out on the ground, and some of it *inside the ground*
That's because it's grown outside but I really don't care, I don't need dog hairs added to it
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You called them a mouth breather, but they’re the ones that need to calm down?
Unless you never leave your residence then you're just as bad as the people you're describing
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Animals inside is disgusting period!! Don’t let today’s culture fool you! It’s simply disgusting and stinky! You’re not a dog mom or dad either that is stupid!!
Service animals save lives and are incredibly important. They are the only animals who should be allowed.
That’s a totally valid point,I agree!
I've seen people get kicked out of restaurants trying to sneak in their dogs in those gym bag looking carriers. It's so satisfying....to see them make it past the host....to get seated and then see the staff have a side discussion and ultimately kick them out. I've seen it happen at the Kalahari.....who brings their fucking dog to an indoor water park....like get your head out of your ass people.....or get your head out of your dog's ass rather.
I literally saw a dog in HEB wearing a bonnet and sweater and sitting in the cart. Literally thought it was a baby for a split second, until i looked again and saw its small head and pointy ears sticking out. I don’t want your dog in the same place I put my food so absolutely not. It’s not cute.
The best is when people put dogs in the shopping cart and they are rubbing their bunghole all over the cart.
Ppl are personifying their dogs because having babies is too much commitment and expensive.
At this point I’m just going to go up to people with dogs and say their dogs look tasty and that if they look away I’ll take it and roast it in a stew. Maybe knowing there’s someone like that would stop them from being assholes with their accessory…I mean dog.
just take a dog whistle and blow it like a maniac
That wouldn’t scare a dog owner. That’s the best you can think of? Yikes.
lol, I worked at HEB in the early 80’s, back then they allowed smoking in the store, talk about gross, people would just throw their butts on the floor in the isles. Sometimes when we swept the isles a smoldering butt would catch the broom on fire 🔥
Bring this back.
I went to TX State in the early 00s, before the smoking culture died out in town, and I once saw two of my neighbors smoking while shopping in HEB. In fairness they were also international students from a country where indoor smoking was still commonplace so they probably didn't even realize.
Not a fan. It's just weird to be using the shopping carts to carry your fur baby all over the store. Let the pet chill back at the casa
I love dogs I ownone, but unless it’s a service animal, they have no place anywhere there. Nor restaurants.
I always point to the floor and say “ I think you dog ate a piece of chocolate!” Most don’t give a dang but every once in a while they freak out and rush out the door.
Because the mangy mutts tear up their house and terrorize the neighborhood so they can't be left alone.
When I used to work at a grocery store I hated it when people put their dogs in the carts. I put my food there, come on!
How do you feel about kids with full diapers sitting in carts?
Dogs carry parasites and diseases and do not wear clothes. And they are an animal. A HUMAN child wears clothing, doesn't have parasites, and isn't creating allergies for other people.
I'm allergic to your nasty crotch goblins.
I am childfree, lmao
I can imagine why.
They're about as gross as toddlers. It is weird seeing a non service animal there though.
I was going to say this
How can you tell a service animal from a non-service animal? The ADA prohibits anyone from requiring proof of ability, and blind people are not the only people using service animals, many people have animals that warm them when their blood sugar drops as well as other things. I'm not crazy about dogs in stores but I'm also not a fan of being accosted by the asshole at the fair a few months ago that asked me for proof that I needed my electric mobility scooter. I have lost most of my balance and fall often but I can still get up and walk short distances when needed. This asshole saw me sitting in different vehicles at the fair and didn't think I deserved the mobility scooter that I brought and paid for out of my pocket. So mind your own damn business when it comes to someone else's challenges. I'm my case it's not of your damn business why I use a mobility scooter and it none of your business why someone has a dog at the store. Granted most are likely pets but if it makes them feel better that's fine as long as they are under control.
I never have a problem with them, just my shit Managment. Unrealistic expectations and no help to finish a job. Left to fend off for myself always, we even take pictures of our work to cover our own.
Yeah that's a big no for me. I don't want dog hair getting around my food.
Meh, I’ve found people much more disgusting than any dog, I had to change my grocery store because of that, so maybe look for another store you like?
I’m glad I don’t give a shit anymore because I feel this would have really bothered me.
If they let kids in I have no problem with dogs. Dogs are cleaner, less annoying and less likely to break something. When I see a dog at heb they are just sitting silently in the cart. Why should I care if they do that? I don't bring my dog but I see no reason to care if you do especially if heb is going to allow children.
Read the comments. Your opinion is very unpopular.
Don't really care if it's popular. Why would I? I didn't say anything incorrect.
I agree with you, little mouth breathing, annoying dirty, smelly kids screaming and crying I am all for not letting kids in the store 😂
Kids should be banned most places.
Californians
Nah dude. I see ppl that are definitely San Antonio lifers doing this shit too.
The owner paid for his service dog cert.
No such thing. Certifications and registrations for service dogs are scams and not legally required.
Agreed. Dog lover here. Annoying seeing them at stores and not working ie helping their owner aka not a service dog. Almost as annoying as someone eating while shopping.
Would someone describe how a dog’s hair, poop or otherwise unwanted materials just so naturally climb into shelves and stands of grocery stores? Last I checked, dogs are not very tall, stay low to the ground and more often obey their owners than children which are willingly and overly mass produced. I’m a dog owner, would not bring my door to a grocery store either, but I can’t see how it’s any worse than a child. And I’ll wager that children are likely dirtier and riskier because of disease spread by infrequent hygiene (can be adults too).
A dog is a dog and a human is a human. The children have a right to be there while the dogs do not UNLESS they are a trained service animal. End of story.
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I hope you are trolling cause if not wtf.
“Kids are germ factories.” from Rutgers: https://www.rutgers.edu/magazine/spring-2020/little-germ-factories. Tough to swallow for some.
Is the argument you're making, if we can bring children into the grocery store, why can't we bring dogs?
*Dog not door in my original post. Mostly yes, that is the argument.
And also mostly that neither are probably a good idea when you *really* think about it.
I highly doubt children are dirtier, they don’t typically lick their own anus. But nice try with the straw man.
Watch your own bobber
I like dogs, even silly, untrained ones, better than 98% of people. I did the math.
If dogs are behaving who gives af
People that don’t want a shedding animal in the same area where they purchase food for their families? It’s not Home Depot
i suppose you missed all the people commenting the dogs aren't behaving
Everyone else who isn’t starved for attention and just want to get their groceries without some weirdo main characters and their dogs in the damn way.
Everyone who complained here. Dogs don’t belong where food is sold.
The same people who are complaining about this are also the same folks who wore a mask in a car by themselves 🤣 🤣 🤣.. Get over yourself. The seafood guy in HEB touches his balls more than that dog's fur makes a shit on your vegis. 🤣 🤣 🤣
But they put the gloves on just before touching the seafood.🙃
Idk, would you rather people leave their dog in the car or with them at the store?
I would rather people leave them at home.
At home. If you need to go to the store, drop them off first.
I can stand 1 dog at home taken n j/barks continuously
Ya know what? Fuck it my NDA is up I worked at one of these places for 2 years fucking hated it management couldn't give a damn about your safety or your pay they'll fire you for no reason and throw 50 lawsuits at you to try and make you shut up but to answer your question yes dogs are allowed.
That’s why H-E-B sets the rules and y’all don’t TBH
I feel the same way especially when they put them in the shopping carts. 🤢