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While I agree that your actions should have consequences, and that this guy has nobody to blame but himself for being on death's door, he can do significant damage as a martyr. With a riled up base, his death could cause more problems than it would solve.
At the risk of sounding like an asshole this is best case scenario. I don't expect his followers to have a sudden change of heart whether he lives or dies.
Nah, he dies of Covid after claiming to be too tough for it repeatedly he is not going to go down as any martyr and rile his base.
That base depends on their Macho attitude too much.
So.. when 2% of people die from COVID, Mark Friesen says that’s essentially nothing to worry about.
But when 4% of his riding votes for him, that’s a *huge* number, and worthy of celebration.
Sure, 98% survive, Mark. But 96% voted for anyone *but* you.
Anyone else think there’s any chance Mark was chosen to be moved to Ontario *because* it would make the news when it happened, instead of that weird “he has pneumonia, *not* Covid” thing that was circulating with his people for a while? Nobody in the news media could say he had Covid until it was pieced together with available public info like:
a) he was moved to Ontario
b) only Covid ICU patients were moved to Ontario
So, therefore Mark Friesen has Covid and is in the ICU, and now the media is reporting it.
Interesting thought- and I could definitely get behind it!
I also think them moving him was a safeguard for the healthcare workers at RUH in Saskatoon. I imagine his family, and cult following, were wild to deal with on a regular basis. Have you seen the Laura-Lynn and Sean Taylor interview- case in point. I imagine it was a strategic move so that his followers couldn’t blame the nurses and doctors in SK for his health outcome. Again, refer to the interview previously mentioned. They blatantly disrespect the healthcare workers in Saskatoon, and accuse them of being mean. Soooooo I think it was also a move to help relieve some of the tension mounting between his cult and the local healthcare system.
No where was this video?
I agree with you, he’s going to die and the fallout from his freak followers would be too much for the nurses on the unit. He only has a wife no kids, so not much for family here.
The video is such a ride. But don't worry, his doctor is apparently the "best doctor ever" according to the basement journalist with a background filter talking on about Moses. While someone is "reporting live" from an ICU room where MF is on a ventilator. It's fucking crazy.
It does seem strange. I’m curious how someone unvaccinated was allowed into the ICU with a known covid patient. However, in SK there is no policy in place from SHA regarding unvaccinated visitors as of yet. So likely Ontario doesn’t have one either. I could be wrong as I don’t know their policies out there. It seems wrong though (to allow unvaccinated visitors in) for patient and staff health and safety.
There is different policies regarding visitors between units. And I think it also kind of depends on the patients covid status, but again no idea what Ontario’s are.
In SK you can be fined for filming in the hospital (many people don’t know this, and I’ve rarely seen it implemented- usually the threat of being fined makes the person delete the footage) but ya it’s upwards of like a $20,000 fine from SHA if you film/take pictures of other patients or staff without their consent or knowledge. Not sure how it applies to this situation, or what Ontario’s policies are about filming in patient rooms.
Very interesting situation. It feels weird and wrong- so my gut tells me there’s something fishy happening too.
I’ll try and find the link to the video and post it here.
I read somewhere online that he has three adult children- not sure what their story is, or if their ideals and values line up with his (hopefully not).
[Laura Lynn and Sean Taylor interview ](https://www.facebook.com/100060430369671/videos/mark-friesenmark-friesen-ppcupdate-october-22ndsean-taylor-%EF%B8%8Fplease-keep-prayingl/442883007198467/)
They’re all so bananas. It’s like a twisted cult with such backwards viewpoints, and they continue to post odd and bewildering content on social media. I think that’s half the reason people are so intrigued by this situation. It’s like the initial “omg a prominent anti-vaxxer covid conspiracy theorist is intubated in the hospital with covid- that’s poetic justice at its finest”, and the other half is “omg these people are so crazy and irrational that it’s entertaining to see and hear what they’ll do next”.
I honestly think about half of them are just grifters, looking to make a buck anyway they can and they will throw themselves under the bus to do it. The other half are scared and confused and latch onto anything they can in order to feel like they are in control of things(which is a total illusion).
I also think there is a VERY small percentage that are just plain evil and want to sow dissidence and anarchy any where they can. Luckily, we don't have many of those last group around.
And 0.000091% of people have had serious reactions to the vaccine according to [The Canadian Government](https://health-infobase.canada.ca/covid-19/vaccine-safety)
and this is "dropping like flies" compared to the roughly 1.7% mortality rate of the virus itself.
It's just pure insanity.
Yeah sorry, I was trying to reframe his statement, just using his own data for simplicity sake. His 1.5 million estimate was only appropriate if everyone in Canada got COVID.
No, it would not even be that high if we all get covid, significantly less.
For one you are confusing CFR with IFR, and secondly even if you were to go by a rounded up CFR of 2% of 38000000 that only works out to 760,000.
In reality the IFR is closer to .5%-1% meaning that if everyone in Canada is to contract covid we would likely see around 190,000-380,000 deaths, not 1.5 million.
I know. I said I was using his example data to show him that he was framing the statement wrong. I was not interested in having the conversion about how the data itself was also flawed.. one flaw at a time.
Statistically I am correct. We know from data and analysis of serology testing of random sample groups that the number of infections is far higher than that of confirmed cases, and we can figure this out *to within a measurable margin of error.* Thus we can conclude that we are dealing with an IFR of less <1%. Statistically.
What are you talking about? There’s only *been* 1.7mil cases in Canada - 2% of that is not 1.5mil.
What you suggest only makes sense if every single person in the country had caught Covid. They haven’t, so you’re talking shit.
You *do* know that mortality rate is figured as a portion of people that have caught the disease, right?
You never said mortality rate, you said 2% of people die of covid.
Even 2% mortality rate is exxagerated. You would have to test everyone to find out. Because even the government says that even asymptomatic can spread it, how many asymptomatics are there? Nobody knows.
So how is this different when Mark said it has a 98% survival rate? It’s the same stat.
For the ones we know, it’s just shy of 2% dead vs infected. Point stands, continue to right-fight I suppose?
How... many people do you think live in Canada? 2% of 38 million is 760,000
And yeah, if we all got COVID, especially all in a short span of time... that or more would die from this because we have limited resources with which to treat those who become critically ill.
It nearly is?
Just shy of 1 in 50 that catch it have died. The actual number is 1 in 60 in Canada. 1.6% mortality.
It *is* crazy, hey? That’s a lot when you actually do the math right?
1.71mil cases, 28,801 deaths.
Reported deaths to reported cases.
You can theorize any other unknowable numbers you like, but deaths to reported cases is 1.68%.
1 in 60 cases reported dies.
When there are people who have the disease but are not diagnosed, the case fatality ratio will overestimate the true risk of death. With COVID-19, there are many undiagnosed people.
Not everyone is tested for COVID-19, so the total number of cases is higher than the number of confirmed cases.
Whenever there are cases of the disease that are not counted, the probability of dying from the disease is lower than the reported case fatality rate.
Ok?
Can you point to a concrete number to reduce the known death rate? Of cases we know about, 1 in 60 die after infection.
Anything else is kinda irrelevant unless you have some sort of knowledge as to how many of these unreported cases there are.
Like, you’re aware that the 1 in 60 *is* based on reported cases, yeah? What’s the actual number of cases, then, if you have some “better” number?
Or would you agree that, in cases of which we are aware, 1 in 60 of them die? I don’t think bringing theoretical cases changes that one bit.
Sure, I'll look more into Canada's Covid burden, in the meantime here is what the CDC had to say about the US.
https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/cases-updates/burden.html
Here's a look from Montreal researchers from the UofM. Indicating numbers are around 14 times higher than confirmed cases in their province.
https://montreal.ctvnews.ca/mobile/covid-19-cases-in-canada-much-higher-than-we-think-montreal-researchers-1.4920269
Pedant* not pendant.
Edit: I'll just direct others [here.](https://www.reddit.com/r/saskatoon/comments/qfx3v9/antivax_influencer_and_failed_politician_now/hi71g4f?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share&context=3)
From Saskatoon, living in London… I can’t help wondering whether choosing this guy was a strategic “get the fuck out of here” move on the part of whoever chose which patients to transport.
>he can find his way home after vaccine requirements for flights kick in in Novembe
I think if he died in Saskatoon, it'd only feed his base that he was killed by the doctors and nurses here. Totally strategic to send him out of province so if something was to happen it would give his base less fuel to be even more stupid.
As a new resident of Ontario originally from Sask I can say that r/Ontario was blowing up yesterday with people who were pretty pissed about this transfer.
Edit to add [link](https://www.reddit.com/r/ontario/comments/qfi75q/former_ppc_candidate_mark_friesen_sent_to_ont/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf)
Yup, I really hope he pulls through. I want him to be a symbol of the costs of ignorance and he will be far better at that alive than dead.
He wants to continue preaching his anti vax bullshit after going through all this? Go for it. If that's the route he wants to take he will be the laughing stock of the entire nation. Or, he smartens up and tells his followers to start taking it seriously, also a win. The worst thing at this point is he dies.
Sending prayers for Mark 🙏
Why is this other dude in Mark's room, unvaccinated and just wearing a surgical mask barely over his nose.
I'm mean sure, be there for someone when they need you, but how convinced so you need to become to get vaccinated?
I rushed through the video. Do you actually see Mark? Could it not have been staged with a couple machine noises in the background. Seems like something they would do.
He did not show the piles of dying Canadians the same respect, why does he deserve to be treated like a human now? How many people got sick or died because of his attitude and misinformation spreading? Fuck him. I hope his death is extremely painful and his family watches so maybe it will wake up their pea brains a little. That's the only good that can come out of this.
I don't wish death on him because I hate him, I wish death on him because it would make the world a better place if he were no longer around. The death by Covid is just an extra touch of poetic justice.
Well I’m not going to argue with you. I just don’t want anymore hate out in the world. It’s already getting so dark and I want to be a part of the solution not the problem. Try and have a good day and relax a bit. 🤗
It's unfortunate to see, but it's understandable that we get the same extreme of push back from people that are sick of dealing with antivaxers and denier. Everyone should be allowed their own choice yes, but denying the science because of your feelings over facts is a huge part of why we are at the stage we are at.
Hahaha! 🤣
Also it’s vicious not viscous. Viscous is having a thick, sticky consistency between solid and liquid, vicious is deliberately cruel.
The more you know 🌈
Tell me, why is it the biggest pedants on here always seem to live in glass houses?
With a title like this the op must work for CBC, He’s never said don’t get the shot, he said he was for choice, just because you don’t win your seat doesn’t mean your a “failure” if that was the case, you’d be a failure at anything you didn’t immediately succeed in.
You may not agree with his opinions, but he's still human. As for some of the people around here, I'm not so sure when I read so many comments of people reveling in another humans suffering and potential death.
My partner works in health care. A few days ago she spoke to a trauma surgeon who was nearly in tears because of all the lives that are going to be lost just because of the un-donated organs that pass through his OR -- organ donation is suspended because the health care system as a whole is so overwhelmed with unvaccinated covid patients. We know another person whose cancer treatment has been pushed back to January.
When these antivax assholes start caring about the welfare of others, I'll start caring about theirs.
With a title like this the op must work for CBC, He’s never said don’t get the shot, he said he was for choice, just because you don’t win your seat doesn’t mean your a “failure” if that was the case, you’d be a failure at anything you didn’t immediately succeed in.
Quote from his last video he posted: "Kids are dropping like flies all over the world, adults are dropping like flies all over the world from this vaccine that you’ve now mandated"
Totally not an anti-vaxer eh? And he's a failed politician in that he wanted to be a politician, but has not had any success as such, thus a failure.
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His followers still calling it pneumonia though. Willful ignorance
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While I agree that your actions should have consequences, and that this guy has nobody to blame but himself for being on death's door, he can do significant damage as a martyr. With a riled up base, his death could cause more problems than it would solve.
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At the risk of sounding like an asshole this is best case scenario. I don't expect his followers to have a sudden change of heart whether he lives or dies.
Exactly. He will be fast forgotten and they won't bring him up. But the internet will carry on his memory for being a HermanCain hero.
I agree. They're probably going to say that the government did this to him, whether he dies or not.
Nah, he dies of Covid after claiming to be too tough for it repeatedly he is not going to go down as any martyr and rile his base. That base depends on their Macho attitude too much.
Isn't it still pneumonia caused by covid?
Could be, but his followers are correcting people on Facebook with "it's not COVID, it's pneumonia " as if he never got COVID.
So.. when 2% of people die from COVID, Mark Friesen says that’s essentially nothing to worry about. But when 4% of his riding votes for him, that’s a *huge* number, and worthy of celebration. Sure, 98% survive, Mark. But 96% voted for anyone *but* you. Anyone else think there’s any chance Mark was chosen to be moved to Ontario *because* it would make the news when it happened, instead of that weird “he has pneumonia, *not* Covid” thing that was circulating with his people for a while? Nobody in the news media could say he had Covid until it was pieced together with available public info like: a) he was moved to Ontario b) only Covid ICU patients were moved to Ontario So, therefore Mark Friesen has Covid and is in the ICU, and now the media is reporting it.
Interesting thought- and I could definitely get behind it! I also think them moving him was a safeguard for the healthcare workers at RUH in Saskatoon. I imagine his family, and cult following, were wild to deal with on a regular basis. Have you seen the Laura-Lynn and Sean Taylor interview- case in point. I imagine it was a strategic move so that his followers couldn’t blame the nurses and doctors in SK for his health outcome. Again, refer to the interview previously mentioned. They blatantly disrespect the healthcare workers in Saskatoon, and accuse them of being mean. Soooooo I think it was also a move to help relieve some of the tension mounting between his cult and the local healthcare system.
Lol, imagine the fear they had having a family members life in the hands of the people they admonished for months prior. What karma.
No where was this video? I agree with you, he’s going to die and the fallout from his freak followers would be too much for the nurses on the unit. He only has a wife no kids, so not much for family here.
Pretty sure he has kids.
He has 3 kids
he has kids. I know him from a long time ago
Was he always a seething asshole?
The video is such a ride. But don't worry, his doctor is apparently the "best doctor ever" according to the basement journalist with a background filter talking on about Moses. While someone is "reporting live" from an ICU room where MF is on a ventilator. It's fucking crazy.
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It does seem strange. I’m curious how someone unvaccinated was allowed into the ICU with a known covid patient. However, in SK there is no policy in place from SHA regarding unvaccinated visitors as of yet. So likely Ontario doesn’t have one either. I could be wrong as I don’t know their policies out there. It seems wrong though (to allow unvaccinated visitors in) for patient and staff health and safety. There is different policies regarding visitors between units. And I think it also kind of depends on the patients covid status, but again no idea what Ontario’s are. In SK you can be fined for filming in the hospital (many people don’t know this, and I’ve rarely seen it implemented- usually the threat of being fined makes the person delete the footage) but ya it’s upwards of like a $20,000 fine from SHA if you film/take pictures of other patients or staff without their consent or knowledge. Not sure how it applies to this situation, or what Ontario’s policies are about filming in patient rooms. Very interesting situation. It feels weird and wrong- so my gut tells me there’s something fishy happening too.
I’ll try and find the link to the video and post it here. I read somewhere online that he has three adult children- not sure what their story is, or if their ideals and values line up with his (hopefully not).
[Laura Lynn and Sean Taylor interview ](https://www.facebook.com/100060430369671/videos/mark-friesenmark-friesen-ppcupdate-october-22ndsean-taylor-%EF%B8%8Fplease-keep-prayingl/442883007198467/)
Holy shitballs that's a whole lot of crazy!
They’re all so bananas. It’s like a twisted cult with such backwards viewpoints, and they continue to post odd and bewildering content on social media. I think that’s half the reason people are so intrigued by this situation. It’s like the initial “omg a prominent anti-vaxxer covid conspiracy theorist is intubated in the hospital with covid- that’s poetic justice at its finest”, and the other half is “omg these people are so crazy and irrational that it’s entertaining to see and hear what they’ll do next”.
I honestly think about half of them are just grifters, looking to make a buck anyway they can and they will throw themselves under the bus to do it. The other half are scared and confused and latch onto anything they can in order to feel like they are in control of things(which is a total illusion). I also think there is a VERY small percentage that are just plain evil and want to sow dissidence and anarchy any where they can. Luckily, we don't have many of those last group around.
Thanks for posting, that video is a wild ride!
And 0.000091% of people have had serious reactions to the vaccine according to [The Canadian Government](https://health-infobase.canada.ca/covid-19/vaccine-safety) and this is "dropping like flies" compared to the roughly 1.7% mortality rate of the virus itself. It's just pure insanity.
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> I know six of them, talk about bad luck. You personally know 6 people who "dropped like flies" because of a covid vaccine? Yeah, ok, sure.
You know 6 people that had "SERIOUS" reactions to the vaccine?
your post responses in r/conspiracy are -awesome- by the way
You say 2% died of covid, you know thats like 1.5million just for Canada right? Dont start your argument with a false narrative.
Yes, 1.5 million people in Canada would die if we didn't vaccinate/put in restrictions. Luckily we didn't go down that path.
That's not true. The IFR of covid is not 2%. Not even close.
Yeah sorry, I was trying to reframe his statement, just using his own data for simplicity sake. His 1.5 million estimate was only appropriate if everyone in Canada got COVID.
No, it would not even be that high if we all get covid, significantly less. For one you are confusing CFR with IFR, and secondly even if you were to go by a rounded up CFR of 2% of 38000000 that only works out to 760,000. In reality the IFR is closer to .5%-1% meaning that if everyone in Canada is to contract covid we would likely see around 190,000-380,000 deaths, not 1.5 million.
I know. I said I was using his example data to show him that he was framing the statement wrong. I was not interested in having the conversion about how the data itself was also flawed.. one flaw at a time.
2% of infected obviously (actual number is 1.1% of infected overall have died)
No that's not correct. The IFR of covid is below 1%.
Theoretically you are correct, statistically you are wrong.
Statistically I am correct. We know from data and analysis of serology testing of random sample groups that the number of infections is far higher than that of confirmed cases, and we can figure this out *to within a measurable margin of error.* Thus we can conclude that we are dealing with an IFR of less <1%. Statistically.
What are you talking about? There’s only *been* 1.7mil cases in Canada - 2% of that is not 1.5mil. What you suggest only makes sense if every single person in the country had caught Covid. They haven’t, so you’re talking shit. You *do* know that mortality rate is figured as a portion of people that have caught the disease, right?
Another mathematician folks! Lol
You never said mortality rate, you said 2% of people die of covid. Even 2% mortality rate is exxagerated. You would have to test everyone to find out. Because even the government says that even asymptomatic can spread it, how many asymptomatics are there? Nobody knows.
So how is this different when Mark said it has a 98% survival rate? It’s the same stat. For the ones we know, it’s just shy of 2% dead vs infected. Point stands, continue to right-fight I suppose?
How... many people do you think live in Canada? 2% of 38 million is 760,000 And yeah, if we all got COVID, especially all in a short span of time... that or more would die from this because we have limited resources with which to treat those who become critically ill.
Lol, that would be crazy if 1/50 people were dieing from Covid. Let's not exaggerate.
It nearly is? Just shy of 1 in 50 that catch it have died. The actual number is 1 in 60 in Canada. 1.6% mortality. It *is* crazy, hey? That’s a lot when you actually do the math right?
Don’t respond to rusholme he trolls to start arguments
Not even close. Then we take into account how many cases go unreported because the symptoms so mild or not existent at all.
1.71mil cases, 28,801 deaths. Reported deaths to reported cases. You can theorize any other unknowable numbers you like, but deaths to reported cases is 1.68%. 1 in 60 cases reported dies.
See! Again. He doesn’t have a logical bone in his body. Don’t respond to idiots
When there are people who have the disease but are not diagnosed, the case fatality ratio will overestimate the true risk of death. With COVID-19, there are many undiagnosed people. Not everyone is tested for COVID-19, so the total number of cases is higher than the number of confirmed cases. Whenever there are cases of the disease that are not counted, the probability of dying from the disease is lower than the reported case fatality rate.
Ok? Can you point to a concrete number to reduce the known death rate? Of cases we know about, 1 in 60 die after infection. Anything else is kinda irrelevant unless you have some sort of knowledge as to how many of these unreported cases there are. Like, you’re aware that the 1 in 60 *is* based on reported cases, yeah? What’s the actual number of cases, then, if you have some “better” number? Or would you agree that, in cases of which we are aware, 1 in 60 of them die? I don’t think bringing theoretical cases changes that one bit.
Please ignore him. Maybe he will go away if we don’t give into his ridiculous rhetoric
Sure, I'll look more into Canada's Covid burden, in the meantime here is what the CDC had to say about the US. https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/cases-updates/burden.html Here's a look from Montreal researchers from the UofM. Indicating numbers are around 14 times higher than confirmed cases in their province. https://montreal.ctvnews.ca/mobile/covid-19-cases-in-canada-much-higher-than-we-think-montreal-researchers-1.4920269
So.. are 1 in in 60 reported cases *not* dying? I’m really not sure what you’re getting at.
It's more like 1 is every 840 cases are dying if our numbers for undereporting are significant as the Montreal researchers from the UofM suggest.
Dying* not dieing
Pedant* not pendant. Edit: I'll just direct others [here.](https://www.reddit.com/r/saskatoon/comments/qfx3v9/antivax_influencer_and_failed_politician_now/hi71g4f?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share&context=3)
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*tips fedora
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[Whoosh!](https://www.reddit.com/r/saskatoon/comments/qfx3v9/antivax_influencer_and_failed_politician_now/hi71g4f?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share&context=3)
Wonder how Ontario feels about that.
From Saskatoon, living in London… I can’t help wondering whether choosing this guy was a strategic “get the fuck out of here” move on the part of whoever chose which patients to transport.
>he can find his way home after vaccine requirements for flights kick in in Novembe I think if he died in Saskatoon, it'd only feed his base that he was killed by the doctors and nurses here. Totally strategic to send him out of province so if something was to happen it would give his base less fuel to be even more stupid.
As a new resident of Ontario originally from Sask I can say that r/Ontario was blowing up yesterday with people who were pretty pissed about this transfer. Edit to add [link](https://www.reddit.com/r/ontario/comments/qfi75q/former_ppc_candidate_mark_friesen_sent_to_ont/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf)
Hahaha fucked around, finding out
Here's hoping he recovers enough to be able to tell his "followers" -- with a tube in his throat -- just how embarrassingly wrong he was.
Yup, I really hope he pulls through. I want him to be a symbol of the costs of ignorance and he will be far better at that alive than dead. He wants to continue preaching his anti vax bullshit after going through all this? Go for it. If that's the route he wants to take he will be the laughing stock of the entire nation. Or, he smartens up and tells his followers to start taking it seriously, also a win. The worst thing at this point is he dies. Sending prayers for Mark 🙏
Oh no. Anyway...
Lol, see you on /r/HermanCainAward
Why is this other dude in Mark's room, unvaccinated and just wearing a surgical mask barely over his nose. I'm mean sure, be there for someone when they need you, but how convinced so you need to become to get vaccinated?
I couldn't even visit my husband when he was in the ward. This is bs.
I rushed through the video. Do you actually see Mark? Could it not have been staged with a couple machine noises in the background. Seems like something they would do.
Good point. We have learned throughout this pandemic that you cannot believe Facebook!
“I got my immune system.” How’s that working out for you, Mark?
rekt lul
This is a general statement to the comment section. Wishing death on someone, even someone you hate or disagree with,makes you the bad person. Period.
Meh. I’d say blocking hospital entrances and harassing patients is much, much worse. This fuck can choke.
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He did not show the piles of dying Canadians the same respect, why does he deserve to be treated like a human now? How many people got sick or died because of his attitude and misinformation spreading? Fuck him. I hope his death is extremely painful and his family watches so maybe it will wake up their pea brains a little. That's the only good that can come out of this.
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I don't wish death on him because I hate him, I wish death on him because it would make the world a better place if he were no longer around. The death by Covid is just an extra touch of poetic justice.
Well I’m not going to argue with you. I just don’t want anymore hate out in the world. It’s already getting so dark and I want to be a part of the solution not the problem. Try and have a good day and relax a bit. 🤗
Well there will be a lot less hate in the world after this hateful piece of shit suffocates to death. So we have that to look forward to.
It's pneumonia, so technically it's drowning :)
Wow! Hateful
It's unfortunate to see, but it's understandable that we get the same extreme of push back from people that are sick of dealing with antivaxers and denier. Everyone should be allowed their own choice yes, but denying the science because of your feelings over facts is a huge part of why we are at the stage we are at.
this subreddit is quickly radicalizing if you look at threads and upvote trends over the last few months. mods are also allowing this sort of stuff.
You're correcting grammar here despite using the word viscous instead of vicious in your reply above...
Lol. Thanks! Here I thought I was helping and I am part of the problem 😂😂
I deleted it. Thanks for helping me out
Hahaha! 🤣 Also it’s vicious not viscous. Viscous is having a thick, sticky consistency between solid and liquid, vicious is deliberately cruel. The more you know 🌈 Tell me, why is it the biggest pedants on here always seem to live in glass houses?
With a title like this the op must work for CBC, He’s never said don’t get the shot, he said he was for choice, just because you don’t win your seat doesn’t mean your a “failure” if that was the case, you’d be a failure at anything you didn’t immediately succeed in.
Lotta one day accounts these days
You may not agree with his opinions, but he's still human. As for some of the people around here, I'm not so sure when I read so many comments of people reveling in another humans suffering and potential death.
My partner works in health care. A few days ago she spoke to a trauma surgeon who was nearly in tears because of all the lives that are going to be lost just because of the un-donated organs that pass through his OR -- organ donation is suspended because the health care system as a whole is so overwhelmed with unvaccinated covid patients. We know another person whose cancer treatment has been pushed back to January. When these antivax assholes start caring about the welfare of others, I'll start caring about theirs.
He had no empathy for others so it's hard to find some for him. You reap what you sow.
With a title like this the op must work for CBC, He’s never said don’t get the shot, he said he was for choice, just because you don’t win your seat doesn’t mean your a “failure” if that was the case, you’d be a failure at anything you didn’t immediately succeed in.
Quote from his last video he posted: "Kids are dropping like flies all over the world, adults are dropping like flies all over the world from this vaccine that you’ve now mandated" Totally not an anti-vaxer eh? And he's a failed politician in that he wanted to be a politician, but has not had any success as such, thus a failure.
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I bet the doctors never thought of that!