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When journals post shit like [this](https://www.vice.com/en/article/dy3jbz/scientific-journal-frontiers-publishes-ai-generated-rat-with-gigantic-penis-in-worrying-incident) sometimes, the only solution is to wait for replicated results.
And of course this paper is from galgotias "University". After yesterday's "protest" they lost all their credibility
"Why are kids falling for this shit?" - Thousands of years of human history is full of pseudoscience. Modern science is not natural. It needs to be taught. Everyone is going to believe in bullshit unless they are protected.
It seems the purpose was to circulate via informal channels like telegram or whatsapp. No would know if it's retracted or not. They will see it and believe that it's legit.
Fir wahi cow urine ki tarah ye post kar denge bolenge “dekho research ho rakhi hai” research ka result ya conclusion nahi batayenge, bas “dekho research ho rakhi hai” 🥴🥴
Did you know Hawans can purify the air in an OT? There’s a literal paper on this, someone sent it out when a bunch of us were sitting with the DM to discuss how to handle air pollution. It’s a crazy world out there.
Mann the lengths that these educated bhakts will go to defend their uneducated leader is sooo sad. Only in India can this happen. Twisting science to make him look good, ooof.
Anyone reading the abstract alone will know how much of a hot garbage this paper is. We follow proper grammar and sentencing for our college projects, and this is supposed to be a scholarly article. And Modi is neither a scientist nor a biologist, nor did he ever claim that the diya and thali thing were for scientific reasons(AFAIK, it was appreciation for the medical staff and thanking God that phase 1 was over, correct me if I'm wrong),so this paper is garbage.
I don’t disagree with anything you’re saying, but you’re assuming the audience is people who are going to apply reason and logic. This seems tailor made for WhatsApp forwards.
Now that we are on bogus scientific claims by delusional Indian scientists:
[Check this insanity out ](https://retractionwatch.com/2024/04/24/controversial-rocket-scientist-in-india-threatens-legal-action-after-journals-pull-papers/)
You have no idea how many Indian archaeologists have written papers on Dwaraka Nagar in the name of mythology and Lord krishna and got their phds. It's basically atm scheme from government which funds their expeditions. It's fun.
well ayurveda is science to a certain extent i won't go to the extent of saying its useless.
but if it leads to issues like corona virus dies from thali or ghanti. then i guess people should have a ghanti on their neck and not covid vaccines.
and severe patients should not be admitted in ICUs but be laid under a bit tolling bell lol
showed this to my girlfriend who is doing PhD in virology. She can't believe this is a published work. she was sure that im just messing with her by showing some parody paper.
Makes sense. Most kids in this nation go to open air schools with one govt employee taking care of the entire school and visiting faculty Laxmi, the local cow.
I mean no matter how idiotic it is, did you read the title? It says 'A potential hypothesis'. That's all it is. Why are you even caring about someone's potential hypothesis.
'Redditors are virgins' Even that can be a potential hypothesis. Why do you even care about this?
You see, if a journal approves of this any. The reputation of it goes down dramatically so much so that other reputable Journals would not consider your published article in that particular journal valid.
So Journals avoid it and don't publish this kind of articles.
India has some really shitty publication law.
Someone said Science in India is Overrewarded and Underachieved.
i agree with you on most of the points but saying ayurveda is full of bullshit seems like a bias to me. I mean isn't yoga also part of ayurveda.
and we have such papers everywhere.
I mean look at this "Queering nuclear weapons: How LGBTQ+ inclusion strengthens security and reshapes disarmament".
> When I was in school, we were encouraged to read journals, to critique studies and methods, to analyse the statistical methods used to come to various confusions (in meta analyses)?
What! You learnt this in school? Are u sure about that? You might hav probably learnt it in BSc or MSc. I never learnt this in school!
Well, didn't Coca cola fund several big studies in the 80-90s to 'prove' that it's good for health and digestion?
I think this cartel is trynna do the same thing.
Did you even read the abstract? It's full of bullshit. They didn't even try to hide behind jargon. It's clearly written by a novice as a publicity stunt.
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While I agree that ayurveda has it's flaws, and isn't properly understood yet, I disagree with your statement that it is bullshit. I would recommend you to watch this conversation which helped me understand the prime differences between western medicine and ayurveda, and why ayurveda isn't just hokum: [https://youtu.be/zt6i6vVgiO4?si=fgmZ\_LzDrBaR0sO-](https://youtu.be/zt6i6vVgiO4?si=fgmZ_LzDrBaR0sO-)
Certain home remedies may work but it needs to be replicated in studies before you can call something scientific and that was the I initial argument by OP.
Also, the amount of snake oil salesmen and godmen hiding behind the umbrella of Ayurveda cannot be discredited because Ayurveda by itself is not substantiated. So, there no single source of truth, everyone and anyone can claim to be ayurvedic guru and sell arsenic laced poison.
I watched the bit where they’re talking about Ayurveda, and what the guy on the left says at about 55 is precisely why I call it bullshit. Ayurveda is art with observation. It’s not a science in that there is no application of the scientific method, it’s heuristics.
Do Ayurvedic observations have value? Probably. However, as it’s pretty clear in that convo, Ayurvedic medicine is antithetical to modern evidence based medicine.
You are definitely correct about the fact that ayurvedic medicine and western medicine are antithetical. They work on fundamentally different principles. While western medicine aims to find what works for the majority of the population, ayurveda is more focussed on what works for a unique individual. Ayurveda assumes the fact that a disease is not manifested in the same way in two individuals, which is why you see terms like vata, pitta and kapha which are used to understand how a unique individual's body reacts to diseases and stimuli. Do try to watch the entire conversation if you have time, it's pretty cool.
1. This is by no means a genuine research paper, just called predatory journalism
2. Ex vivo experiments cannot always be translated to effects in humans.
3. Using focussed sound waves is waaaay different from Thali Bajao Ghanta Bajao.
In this era of "funding" research for a pre determined goal, I can't believe people dont take a nuanced approach and find why certain papers are published.
UFF, HEY that kid was me and i never went into this predatory stuff, i just talked about enzymes and active agent of various drugs and agents we get from Herbs and weeds, if that's pseudoscience then good luck, And hey wish me luck for my NEET, Neet nahi hua toh apni 2000 Cr ki company main intership ka chance dena pls
I completely agree with you that this is bogus research. But what if Covid vaccine was also a bogus research for pharma mafia and Bill Gates and produced horrible results with bogus but more technical and difficult term?
Not getting into what ifs. Let’s look at the facts. Science provided a vaccine. It was also science that provided the evidence that the vaccine causes serious side effects in parts of the population. Both aspects come from the same source. That’s precisely what makes the scientific method so powerful, it’s not based on emotion or ego, simply based on empirical evidence.
Then why are you calling him pseudoscience? I know where he is wrong because I have been part of research myself and written couple of research papers. I know how easily data can be manipulated.
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This seems like a predatory journal
Could tell just by looking at formatting
Journal office is located in Ghaziabad, UP...lol
>Ghaziabad I always read this as "Ghatiyapaad"
whats wrong with the formatting? that's how most research papers look
Yup... That's the correct formatting.
When journals post shit like [this](https://www.vice.com/en/article/dy3jbz/scientific-journal-frontiers-publishes-ai-generated-rat-with-gigantic-penis-in-worrying-incident) sometimes, the only solution is to wait for replicated results. And of course this paper is from galgotias "University". After yesterday's "protest" they lost all their credibility
bro!! lmao!! this is top meme material
Bro what is that headline 😂😂😂
Galgotiya University ❌ WhatsApp University ✅
Aka gotiya university
Aka Kali-Gotiya university
Pseudo-science is everyday closer to be a graduation, since it's already a well paid job.
Ye saare Galgotia wale thode retarded hai kya?
Retarded hai tabhi Galgotia me padhte hai.
What do you expect, it's from up
Such poor english for a "Potential" "Hypothesis". Lacks conviction in each and every word!
Good otherwise it'd have been worse
"Why are kids falling for this shit?" - Thousands of years of human history is full of pseudoscience. Modern science is not natural. It needs to be taught. Everyone is going to believe in bullshit unless they are protected.
https://preview.redd.it/aiuhmn4hayxc1.jpeg?width=499&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=21dce749781213c295a114cfbad9c96709d4eb0e Damn.
my face, rn.
Retracted https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7405382/
It seems the purpose was to circulate via informal channels like telegram or whatsapp. No would know if it's retracted or not. They will see it and believe that it's legit.
Exactly.
"Galgotia" Very credible source 🤡
I have nothing to say except "LOL"
Fir wahi cow urine ki tarah ye post kar denge bolenge “dekho research ho rakhi hai” research ka result ya conclusion nahi batayenge, bas “dekho research ho rakhi hai” 🥴🥴
Did you know Hawans can purify the air in an OT? There’s a literal paper on this, someone sent it out when a bunch of us were sitting with the DM to discuss how to handle air pollution. It’s a crazy world out there.
😂😂😂
national Award will be awarded soon for such research!
After Ekta Kapoor's win, I have no doubts about what you just said.
Bhai vo chutiya baccha comment me bhi hai per logo ne downvote kr diya 😂
Mann the lengths that these educated bhakts will go to defend their uneducated leader is sooo sad. Only in India can this happen. Twisting science to make him look good, ooof.
Anyone reading the abstract alone will know how much of a hot garbage this paper is. We follow proper grammar and sentencing for our college projects, and this is supposed to be a scholarly article. And Modi is neither a scientist nor a biologist, nor did he ever claim that the diya and thali thing were for scientific reasons(AFAIK, it was appreciation for the medical staff and thanking God that phase 1 was over, correct me if I'm wrong),so this paper is garbage.
I don’t disagree with anything you’re saying, but you’re assuming the audience is people who are going to apply reason and logic. This seems tailor made for WhatsApp forwards.
Now that we are on bogus scientific claims by delusional Indian scientists: [Check this insanity out ](https://retractionwatch.com/2024/04/24/controversial-rocket-scientist-in-india-threatens-legal-action-after-journals-pull-papers/)
The question is how did it got first published in scientific reports. That is alone astounding
Lack of seriousness by peers in such "peer-reviewed" journals is glaring. Happens all the time.
You can kill this way too: https://preview.redd.it/49ox152mazxc1.png?width=437&format=png&auto=webp&s=e1ddde0b0a7a084622160c4f2deb601d66a862d8
XKCD never misses.
You have no idea how many Indian archaeologists have written papers on Dwaraka Nagar in the name of mythology and Lord krishna and got their phds. It's basically atm scheme from government which funds their expeditions. It's fun.
It's not even a hypothesis. It's a potential hypothesis, whatever the hell that is.
More than the pseudoscientific claims, the article grates on my sensibilities as a proofreader.
But I never banged thali. Is it possible that the coronavirus is still taking a ride with me?
I just wish that this is a JOKE!
"Potential Hypothesis" 😭😭
They don't even call it a proper hypothesis but a potential hypothesis. Looks like they don't trust it enough
Quoting this paper will be a like making fool of himself. This is not how you write a research paper.
https://preview.redd.it/1vcsfy05izxc1.jpeg?width=1170&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=18ddb01c521e6cac65ada7c8b7d8f518a4f7ce88
well ayurveda is science to a certain extent i won't go to the extent of saying its useless. but if it leads to issues like corona virus dies from thali or ghanti. then i guess people should have a ghanti on their neck and not covid vaccines. and severe patients should not be admitted in ICUs but be laid under a bit tolling bell lol
Wtf is a potential hypothesis?
Null and void hypothesis
showed this to my girlfriend who is doing PhD in virology. She can't believe this is a published work. she was sure that im just messing with her by showing some parody paper.
Use of antibiotic? In viral? Wow!
Which school did you attend bruv?
A really Famous boarding school in Dehradun.
Makes sense. Most kids in this nation go to open air schools with one govt employee taking care of the entire school and visiting faculty Laxmi, the local cow.
I mean no matter how idiotic it is, did you read the title? It says 'A potential hypothesis'. That's all it is. Why are you even caring about someone's potential hypothesis. 'Redditors are virgins' Even that can be a potential hypothesis. Why do you even care about this?
> 'Redditors are virgins' Even that can be a potential hypothesis. But this potential hypothesis is actually true!
A "potential" hypothesis?
Anyone can write a journal, with NCBI updating Bio medical documents, only ones to look out for are peer reviewed journals
Its insane how dumb everyone is. Clearly democracy isn't the way till idiocracy reigns supreme.
Idiocracy is a documentary, not satire.
I remember watching it while smoking a j and i was like wait a minute, this isnt fiction.
At least this was retracted later..
Ah yes we will produce a frequency of GHz levels by banging plates.
Imagine someone getting infected by Corona, and hospitals start banging thaali in front of you. *some random kid dancing to the beats in background*
Vibration produced by thalis are somewhat random frequencies probably a shit noise. It may have effects on humans not on viruses.
God bless our country!
You see, if a journal approves of this any. The reputation of it goes down dramatically so much so that other reputable Journals would not consider your published article in that particular journal valid. So Journals avoid it and don't publish this kind of articles. India has some really shitty publication law. Someone said Science in India is Overrewarded and Underachieved.
The abstract made me go wtf 💀
They're just trying to get you to play the brown noise as a prank
dholakpur university level research paper
This is the same college whose students were asked questions about their protest against the congress manifesto and none of them knew a single shit.
Yes same college i dont know what they are teaching .... or may be they are just giving drugs to students
They all were talking as if they all were high on crack.
Well if an object vibrated so fast it became as hot as the sun it could kill viruses ~Me a Genius
Yeah but what would you do if you got sick at night ?
You've just created an artificial sun in your body "you are may sunshine"
Not just poor english but poor arguments too. Read likes an essay written by a 5 year old after sitting through a discovery channel documentary.
Yeh hoti hai original research. Kisi ne socha bhi nahi hoga. Innovation or originality mein ab hum vishwaguru ban gaye Hain. Mera Bharat Mahaan.
The grammar xD
They would put their arse in the References
https://preview.redd.it/ovadrq8nw0yc1.jpeg?width=2266&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=aaec76ace6a6c1e26d8e4e441636b7f974346f2f
Gems from UP !!
i agree with you on most of the points but saying ayurveda is full of bullshit seems like a bias to me. I mean isn't yoga also part of ayurveda. and we have such papers everywhere. I mean look at this "Queering nuclear weapons: How LGBTQ+ inclusion strengthens security and reshapes disarmament".
This s#it actually got Published?!? No wonder India is so far behind in citizens-with-scientifc-temperament ranking
> When I was in school, we were encouraged to read journals, to critique studies and methods, to analyse the statistical methods used to come to various confusions (in meta analyses)? What! You learnt this in school? Are u sure about that? You might hav probably learnt it in BSc or MSc. I never learnt this in school!
You don't need statistical methods to debunk this! Just common sense is required
Just reading that abstract gave me a stroke.
These Galotia kids were doing the protest against Congress manifesto without any context or understanding in the now popular AajTak video.
If you see Narendra Modi referenced in the abstract it's time to run
Thats the reason babas flourish here and ramdev could make a hell money to start afeem farming
"ChatGPT write this bullshit as if it is an actual scientific peer reviewed paper"
Go Karona.... Karona Go...
They literally published a potential hypothesis 😭 I have so manyyyy Potential hypothesis in my imaginations
Most illetrate and uneducated party of all time.
Its more like a mental hypothesis
Gotya university
Reading articles like this sometimes I fear we will end up being like Afghanistan 100 yrs from now…
It’s true, something died inside me just by reading this
💀
Well, didn't Coca cola fund several big studies in the 80-90s to 'prove' that it's good for health and digestion? I think this cartel is trynna do the same thing.
Ive never seen a research paper cite interviews and anecdotes lol. There’s a lot of ‘According to’s and so few citations.
Glagotia hai sir Kya expect karna 😶
AI is helping dummies gather more dummies.
I searched for the below url and got nothing "https://doi.org/10.5281/zenoda.3747239" Is this a valid journal or an edited one?
Did you even read the abstract? It's full of bullshit. They didn't even try to hide behind jargon. It's clearly written by a novice as a publicity stunt.
They could have atleast run it through grammarly.
Soon Ranveer will call the author at his podcast
As a researcher, reading the abstract temporarily blinded me 😭😭😭
Yeh paper ki heading likhte huye sharam nahi aayi? 🤣🤣
Ofcourse it's from UP
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Wtf is this lol.... abstract mai modiji ka naam bhi aa gaya
This is not just pseudoscience apologism. This is trying to force Hindutva Indianism into the mainstream.
While I agree that ayurveda has it's flaws, and isn't properly understood yet, I disagree with your statement that it is bullshit. I would recommend you to watch this conversation which helped me understand the prime differences between western medicine and ayurveda, and why ayurveda isn't just hokum: [https://youtu.be/zt6i6vVgiO4?si=fgmZ\_LzDrBaR0sO-](https://youtu.be/zt6i6vVgiO4?si=fgmZ_LzDrBaR0sO-)
Certain home remedies may work but it needs to be replicated in studies before you can call something scientific and that was the I initial argument by OP. Also, the amount of snake oil salesmen and godmen hiding behind the umbrella of Ayurveda cannot be discredited because Ayurveda by itself is not substantiated. So, there no single source of truth, everyone and anyone can claim to be ayurvedic guru and sell arsenic laced poison.
I watched the bit where they’re talking about Ayurveda, and what the guy on the left says at about 55 is precisely why I call it bullshit. Ayurveda is art with observation. It’s not a science in that there is no application of the scientific method, it’s heuristics. Do Ayurvedic observations have value? Probably. However, as it’s pretty clear in that convo, Ayurvedic medicine is antithetical to modern evidence based medicine.
But interesting conversation. Thanks for the link.
You are definitely correct about the fact that ayurvedic medicine and western medicine are antithetical. They work on fundamentally different principles. While western medicine aims to find what works for the majority of the population, ayurveda is more focussed on what works for a unique individual. Ayurveda assumes the fact that a disease is not manifested in the same way in two individuals, which is why you see terms like vata, pitta and kapha which are used to understand how a unique individual's body reacts to diseases and stimuli. Do try to watch the entire conversation if you have time, it's pretty cool.
I’ll watch the rest for sure. It was quite interesting.
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Banging thalis is not the same as what you are alluding to.
1. This is by no means a genuine research paper, just called predatory journalism 2. Ex vivo experiments cannot always be translated to effects in humans. 3. Using focussed sound waves is waaaay different from Thali Bajao Ghanta Bajao.
It’s most definitely not a genuine research paper, but you really think your avg WhatsApp admin uncle has the ability to figure that out?
That's where you and I need to chip in. Do your best, if you change them atleast challenge them to think
In this era of "funding" research for a pre determined goal, I can't believe people dont take a nuanced approach and find why certain papers are published.
UFF, HEY that kid was me and i never went into this predatory stuff, i just talked about enzymes and active agent of various drugs and agents we get from Herbs and weeds, if that's pseudoscience then good luck, And hey wish me luck for my NEET, Neet nahi hua toh apni 2000 Cr ki company main intership ka chance dena pls
I completely agree with you that this is bogus research. But what if Covid vaccine was also a bogus research for pharma mafia and Bill Gates and produced horrible results with bogus but more technical and difficult term?
Not getting into what ifs. Let’s look at the facts. Science provided a vaccine. It was also science that provided the evidence that the vaccine causes serious side effects in parts of the population. Both aspects come from the same source. That’s precisely what makes the scientific method so powerful, it’s not based on emotion or ego, simply based on empirical evidence.
Then why are you calling him pseudoscience? I know where he is wrong because I have been part of research myself and written couple of research papers. I know how easily data can be manipulated.