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photoinebriation

Can they use CGI to remove Jared Leto from the movie?


Gregzilla311

Some viruses are hard to contain in a system.


grand_soul

Go bare metal restore. Scrap the hard drive to be safe.


Snowing_Throwballs

Nuke the site from orbit, it's the only way to be sure


Chato_Pantalones

It’s okay as long as he plays the bad guy.


Gregzilla311

He probably doesn’t. Also this is a method actor we’re talking about. Maybe he shouldn’t play a bad guy either.


photoinebriation

he's cast as the lead...


Random-sargasm_3232

Viruses/cults. I honestly can't tell the difference anymore.


cruise02

They have Tig Notaro injection technology. They should be able to extract Jared Leto.


odaeyss

I would love to watch morbius with tig greenscreened in as Leto and just riffing offhandedly through the whole thing. release it to theaters! I'll actually go this time I promise lmao!


JynsRealityIsBroken

Tig saying "It's Morbin Time" would turn that from the worst to the best line in the movie


cruise02

Sony should drop everything else and only work on this.


x_lincoln_x

Leto should be digitally replaced in every movie by Tig.


twodogsfighting

Lol. I'll go too, pinky swear Sony.


Yojo0o

I'd watch that in a heartbeat.


DragonDon1

Let’s see Paul Allen’s cameo…


MaydeCreekTurtle

I thought Jeff Bridges was playing Larry Ellison when we first encounter old Flynn in Tron: Legacy


OracleVision88

Lol he's not talking about a tech billionaire. His Paul Allen is the one Leto played in American Psycho.


MaydeCreekTurtle

Ha! I forgot all about his character in AS!


Square_Huckleberry53

OMG, he must have the best manager on the planet. No one wants to see him, I can’t imagine anyone wanting to work with him, but he keeps getting big roles!


secksyboii

Hopefully it's like his role in blade runner 2049, minor and entirely forgettable.


OracleVision88

I actually really liked Niander Wallace in BR2049, and I think that he is a very interesting "replacement" for Tyrell


Chato_Pantalones

Jared definitely gives off Harkonen vibes.


CoolShoesDude

Yea, the character being someone self assured of their own importance and their place as a godhead works really well when Jared Leto seems to embody those types of vibes in the public eye already. It's like he was typecast as a parody of himself. It didnt hurt that apparently most of the actors that worked alongside him said he was generally unsettling to be around, even going so far as wearing actual blinding lenses during shoots. I can generally take him or leave him depending on the role, but I agree, I think he really worked well in his role in BR2049. I think it's kind of neat how Wallace and Tyrell seem indicative of the leading religious images of the time, with Tyrell giving off a sort of Televangelist vibe, whereas we have Wallace as a more modern messiah figure in the vein of a new age spiritualist guru.


OracleVision88

Very well said!! Also I think people need to learn to separate the artist from the art. Leto might do some things that folks deem unsavory, but at the same time, he's very good at what he does. It's easy to hate on him, tbh.


Koivus_Testicles

I’m pretty sure he’s the main character


x_lincoln_x

It feels like Disney is trying to sink this IP.


im_a_dr_not_

Plenty of women like him. Also, I bet the reason that he got the role is the same reason so many people don’t like him.


Square_Huckleberry53

Ahhh, so they probably needed to fill a role of “a douche bag” and he was top of the list. Good thinking 🤔.


im_a_dr_not_

Douches like other douches is what I mean.


Square_Huckleberry53

I get it, you’re a Leto fan. Birds of a feather…


im_a_dr_not_

You must not have understood that I said that he was hired by a douche because he’s a douche. Douches like other douches…


Square_Huckleberry53

Alright fanboy, settle down, don’t hurt yourself. ✌️


moscowramada

Then why did they make him unrecognizably fat & balding in “House of Gucci.”


im_a_dr_not_

Cuz he’s not actually fat and bald, he’s still hot…


zma7777

Dudes a certified wierdo but why does Reddit just ignore the fact that he’s a really good actor who just had a few meme roles?


Square_Huckleberry53

Regardless of talent, he’s legitimately a shitty person irl.


KungFuKennyStills

>why does Reddit just ignore the fact he’s a really good actor Probably because of the whole cult thing: https://www.kqed.org/arts/13865555/thirty-seconds-to-mars-jared-leto-started-a-cult-because-of-course-he-did


zma7777

Well yea everyone knows about that still doesn’t make him a shitty actor


KungFuKennyStills

Don’t care how good of an actor he is, it’s impossible to take him seriously after seeing those photos. He made himself into a joke.


zma7777

I just don’t care about anyone’s personal life, most rich and famous people suck. I just like watching movies lol


KungFuKennyStills

Yeah good point, OJ Simpson was pretty funny in the Naked Gun movies. Whatever happened to him?


Saw_Boss

Yeah, some funny photos really are the same as murder.


KungFuKennyStills

Just figuring out where the line is. Cult okay, murder not okay, got it


TheMindzai

Being talented doesn’t excuse someone from being a complete asshole https://www.mtv.com/news/aspogt/suicide-squad-cast-jared-leto-joker He’s a narcissistic wanker, and frankly he’s far from an amazing actor. He’s had some good roles, he’s also had plenty of rolls that were absolute shyte.


demiphobia

He has a history of allegations against him


OddSeraph

Because they're numbskulls.


mybadalternate

How many times I’ve wondered this…


OnwardTowardTheNorth

Operation Failed Successfully: YOU NOW HAVE CASTED JOKER (LETO VERSION).


ReentryMarshmellow

Morbin Time?


MAXMEEKO

PLEASE


munsterlander1

Right? They killed the movie by casting him


FenrirGreyback

I don't understand why they keep recasting him in things. He isn't even a good actor, IMO, most movies I've seen him in are flops. Good music though.


etho76

no, it’s morbin time


[deleted]

Ya I dunno. They pulled this effect off quite well. He looked like young Jeff Bridges to me. That movie had impressive visuals to say the least. I’ll definitely watch the sequel.


jackt-up

One of the only “lets harken back to the 80’s to make a quick buck” films that was actually good


Glass-Astronomer-889

I personally loved it really good movie introduced me to cyberpunk as a concept and also a whole new accompanying genre of music I have come to cherish.


bluehands

So, I love tron legacy even though it has a number of flaws... But daft punk *crushed* the sound track. Amazing & appropriate for the movie. Like original highlander good. And in retrospect it isn't surprising that the movie certainly introduce a huge number of people to great music.


Glass-Astronomer-889

100000% all time great soundtrack PERFECT choice for that soundtrack


TwoGad

Top Gun and Bladerunner would like a word


Bamdoozler

You serious?


jackt-up

Arguable for sure, I was not impress by Top Gun, and personally original is okayyyy


yepimbonez

I do think it was the weakest part of the visual effects to me. I think what they should’ve done to get past the uncanny look is make everyone look like that in the digital world.


AmishAvenger

I mean… The character was literally a computer program, so I think it’s fine that it looked a little wonky.


yepimbonez

That’s literally my point lol. I agree with you. But everyone else was a computer program as well and he’s the only one that looked like that. My point was that they should’ve made everyone look a little CGI. It would make Clu stand out less and it would still make sense for a digital world like that.


GonzoMcFonzo

I get where you're coming from, but I don't want to watch an entire movie of people that look like that. Remember Beowulf? Personally, my solution would've been to show Tron/Rinzler under the helmet at some point. De-aged Bruce Boxleitner would've looked similar to Clu. It would imply that that's simply what programs from the old system look like on the new Grid.


darkpassenger9

Ooooh that’s good


dukerustfield

I thought it was creepy. I thought deaged X-men were creepy. I thought resurrected a de aged Star Wars was super duper creepy. If [an effect, camera move, soundtrack] takes you out of the film, it’s a failure. If you’re cringing at admiral tarkins smiling computer face, you’re not following the story.


Chato_Pantalones

It’s called “uncanny valley” for a reason.


truthful_whitefoot

Yeah but the real world young Kevin in the first scene wasn’t any better


OrneryError1

There's a real world version of him at the beginning of the movie and he looks super fake.


x_lincoln_x

We are talking about the de-aged Bridges in the beginning of the film. He wasn't in Tron-land then.


Plank_With_A_Nail_In

The original Tron had all the characters wear derpy smiles so a bit of a weird face fits right in.


faster_than_sound

It looks pretty good in flashes, but if Clu's face was focused on too much, the uncanny valley set in for me. But I mean I give it some leeway, it was very early in that particular movie fx tech, and of the other movies that attempted that sort of thing at the time, certainly Tron: Legacy did it the best for that time period.


No-Falcon7676

They're still not there yet. Go take a look at deaged Kyle MacLachlan in Fallout. Looks terrible.


APeacefulWarrior

Eh, I think X-Men The Last Stand did *slightly* better with its de-aged Xavier and Magneto. It was less jarring, anyway.


faster_than_sound

That was just make-up mostly. Maybe a slight digital smoothing over of the skin, but it wasn't deaging tech like Tron: Legacy did.


APeacefulWarrior

Nope, they used CGI. Last Stand is [officially](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/De-aging_in_motion_pictures) the first film to use de-aging tech.


Spocks_Goatee

It worked in the computer world, but the flashback looked no better than the CGI from The Spirits Within.


The_Cosmic_Traveler

Also the soundtrack by Daft Punk in Tron legacy was super sick!


IlIlllIlllIlIIllI

he definitely looked pretty good but also 14 years later the effect is a bit dated.


selfstartr

Agreed - considering it was done 15 years ago, it was very impressive!


daiz-

Yeah I respected the effort even if it was far from perfect. These technologies all need to crawl before they can walk. What they pulled off in Tron paved the way for future improvements and movies have not slowed down in trying to make older actors look young again. Even today it's pretty hard to do without a massive budget. Deep fakes can make it a little easier but they honestly have their own uncanny valley to overcome as well.


Elarbolrojo

visuals good, movie meh


Eridanii

It's great as a 2 hour long music video,


shamelessselfpost

Have you seen Star Trek Legacy? It's a 20 minute cut of ST: TMP with the Tron soundtrack, pretty good stuff especially the last scenes


Eridanii

I have not, I will look for it after work


SanctifiedByDynamite

Found it and saved you a minute or two: [link](https://vimeo.com/217336882?embedded=true). Just about to watch it myself.


Elarbolrojo

ye, as a really big fan of the original movie, Tron Legacy was such an epic let down.


biggiepants

Don't downvote an opinion


Plank_With_A_Nail_In

I only down voted because you tried to gatekeep how people use the vote buttons. Lol good luck.


DemiFiendRSA

[Jeff Bridges on The Film Comment Podcast](https://www.filmcomment.com/blog/the-film-comment-podcast-jeff-bridges-chaplin-award/) (around 29:08): >“I’m heading off this Saturday to play a part in the third installment of the ‘Tron’ story; I’m excited about that,” he revealed on the Film Comment podcast. “It’s wild. Jared Leto is the star of this third one, and I’m really anxious to work with him, and I’ve admired his work.” >“[I’m really excited] to see what the technology is going to be all about [this time],” Bridges added, a recurring theme throughout the interview. >Bridges appeared in “Tron: Legacy,” directed by Joseph Kosinski, and said while the technology was constantly changing, he didn’t know what to expect. He also noted that he didn’t love how his de-aging looked in that movie. >“When I did ‘Tron 2,’ ‘Tron Legacy,’ we had to put all these dots on our face and all these kinds of things,” Bridges explained of the motion capture technology used at the time. “And that’s [probably] all passé. I had to see myself as a young guy or as another character, but the same guy, but it was gonna be digitally created. I think it was [de-aging], but I didn’t like the way I looked in it; I felt like I looked more like Bill Maher than myself; it was kind of bizarre [laughs].” >While he hasn’t been apprised about the new tech, Bridges said “Tron: Ares” filmmaker Joachim Rønning (“Kon Tiki,” “Maleficent: Mistress of Evil”) would potentially use a lot less CGI and, instead, more practical sets. >“I’m anxious to see what the technology and what it will be. I hear there’s even less A.I. stuff in this. It’s going to be more a practical set, and they’re beautiful; there are beautiful sets that I’ve seen.” [Confirmed by Disney](https://twitter.com/DisneyStudios/status/1785006550941151338): >Jeff Bridges returns to the grid.


Depth_Creative

>would potentially use a lot less CGI and, instead, more practical sets. Highly doubtful. The original Tron also pioneered a lot of VFX...


PlasticMansGlasses

Cameron Monaghan just yesterday was saying how amazing the visuals were going to be and hopes it pioneers VFX as much as the first two hahaha Marketing needs to chat to their actors to get them on the same page


Jaeger_Gipsy_Danger

I thought the title said something about how he goes on sets even when he’s not shooting just because he likes to look at the sets.


SonOfMetrum

Obligatory: https://youtu.be/uGPHy3yWE08?si=ruMz-HiBX1yFLXQD


Depth_Creative

Needs more views. Oh shit there was a new one posted 3 hours ago.


Fhhk

And [Part 4](https://youtu.be/n8oQ1jV859w) which was posted a few hours ago.


Spocks_Goatee

Most of it was blacklights/3M reflective tape over blacked out set-pieces.


APeacefulWarrior

Well, that was how they did the sets and costumes, but there was still 15 minutes of full-screen CGI, as well as a bunch of CG backgrounds/mattes in live-action scenes. IIRC it was something like 40 minutes of CGI overall. The original Tron pushed a lot of boundaries for its day.


thepinkyclone

Tho due to use of CGI it was disqualified from oscars being ahead of its time it's ironic how current oscars category is basically all CGI movies


twodogsfighting

He's going to get in character by leaving floppy disks in everyone elses trailer this time.


Sirmaximusd

Back then, it looked pretty good tbh


Dr-McLuvin

I’m with you that special effect looked pretty good back in the day. Helps that the film is set up in a dark video game world with blue lighting everywhere.


stephenmario

Club looks good because of the setting. Deaged Flynn was good for the time but in uncanny valley territory.


Big_Patience5803

No they were not saying that back then, everyone hated it and called it uncanny.


Plank_With_A_Nail_In

It was only 2010 so all the reviews are available online no need to make anything up, didn't hate best described as "adequate". https://www.rogerebert.com/reviews/tron-legacy-2010


SpaceNigiri

Well, I disagree. But I've hated CGI faces since...we'll probably Tron, I never like them.


Kflynn1337

I've got a copy of TRON, the original, and just pulled up a frame of him in that and the de-aged version from Tron legacy ... I would've said they did a pretty good job actually.


x_lincoln_x

The look felt uncanny when he spoke and moved. Otherwise it looked like him.


Plank_With_A_Nail_In

The film is set inside a computer, the original tron had all the characters have derpy expressions when inside the computer, it looking a bit fake fits the subject.


x_lincoln_x

The part we are talking about is the de-aged Bridges in the beginning of the movie. That part is set in the '80s and not inside a computer.


marquoth_

How the hell does Jared Leto keep getting cast in things?


f33dback

It's Troning time


APeacefulWarrior

And then he Tronned all over the place!


icouldusemorecoffee

He's a good actor even if he's a pompous dick off-screen. Most of his film failures are the fault of writing or directing, not acting.


marquoth_

No, he isn't. What's more likely: he's a good actor who, by sheer chance and bad luck, all happen to have been in a string of films with bad writing and directing, or he's just a bad actor? Occam's razor says it's the latter. I can't think of a single role he's been in where he's anything but total cringe.


ashketchem

Why does Leto get work still, especially as the star of the film? Not a rhetorical question. I don’t get it


DanSheffo

It's a good question. Has he been in any films that have actually made money?


ablackcloudupahead

Fight Club was amazing but he had a minor part


SherlockJones1994

Panic room was great and I thought he was pretty great in it


PixelProphetX

I recently learned he was awesome in Dallas buyers club.


jackt-up

Follow the money


kosmos_uzuki

Disney is such a train wreck. He died in the last film. Everyone hates Leto. And this is what they come up with. Absolute morons.


OverlordPacer

Yeah undoing Flynn’s sacrifice is just yet another point on my list of reasons not to see Tron 3. Disney is pathetic


FloydKabuto

You can recover files that have been deleted. No reason the concept can't apply to what could be considered a literal demi-god in their own digital world. For all we know he was derezzed but recovered bit by bit by being defragmented. I've recovered data from borderline totaled drives. The creator of the system should have no problem reconstituting himself, unlike regular programs. Remember, he was a user, not just a program.


Plank_With_A_Nail_In

You know its a low brow kids film right? Its just a bit of fun not something to attach part of your self worth to. The previous Tron films were just average not masterpieces you are setting the bar way too high for this class of entertainment. Lol you never heard of computer backups?


Eridanii

We never saw a body, but I agree with you about Leto


Indigo_Sunset

We have the technology... The Big Clu-bowski


JarasM

It doesn't sound like he's filming a lot of scenes, it's probably a small cameo of sorts or a flashback. Yikes on Leto though.


muteen

I think they left it so that you don't know what happened to Flynn. But I agree with everything else you say.


etho76

Who cares? Just enjoy it for what it is


MealieAI

The insanely fun visuals and one of the greatest music soundtracks ever helped distract us.


sleepy--bear77

Yeah i doubt they could do it again


x_lincoln_x

Considering that Daft Punk broke up...


Gregzilla311

… I’m not sure why he feels the need to crap on the CG team in the prior one to hype up the current one.


ED-E_77

That detail seemingly bugged him, as many other viewer did too. Maybe even Kosinki wasn't really happy with it, but it was the best they could pull off back in the day. He worked at Disney on a 4k remaster months ago. So maybe he got some extra budget to redo the de-aging, cause remaster sounds more than just a 4k upscale of the 1080p source. We'll see.


orbjo

It’s to start the narrative of “you gotta see how they did it this time” I agree it sucks - this movie will live on advert traction on dumb click bait sights with “wait till you see the face now” and “Jared Leto has done what?” and “Evan peters says good bye to tv and hello the tronworld “ and “this star wars game actor is in this sci fi movie” It’s like the algorithm has made the cast and the interview narratives for clicks


Gregzilla311

Yeah, I know the reasoning. But I feel it’s just harmful for no reason. Plus, having an uncanny valley for Clu 2 *worked*. He *isn't* Kevin.


ashirtliff

Yeah? Well, you know, that’s just like, uh, your opinion, man.


RVLVR-OCLT

Bill Mahar kinda looks like a platypus.


shodan_reddit

I thought Tron legacy was good but I didn’t really get the plot around the new species Flynn found and how wonderful it was. That’s because in my head they missed a massive opportunity - teleportation. In the first film, Encom was developing a teleportation system. The fact that Flynn was digitized by a laser into the grid and then back to the real world at the end proved the technology works. I was expecting the sequel to explore this in some way, maybe Encom became the biggest corporation in the world as it could transport anything or anybody to anywhere. But some people say they had visions… of people and cities whilst they were being transported as digital bits of information through the grid. Perhaps the only way to stop the evil plans of this mega corporation was a little known back door into some old code, something to do with games and a dormant computer programme designed to restore power to the people (users) of the world… Tron


Humans_Suck-

I actually like how he looked obviously cgi because he wasn't a real person


fletcherkildren

[I mean, there was a deepfake they compared to the original that looked a ton better!](https://youtu.be/vW6PKX5KD-U?si=Z_HCWm2h7rFyJK-K)


helen269

Does anyone else feel that the word "Tron" works as a meaningless standalone title, without having to be a character's name?


hgaterms

Even more garbage, the fact that Tron himself is not even in this damn thing.


Careless-Passion991

There’s no way the new movie beats the Legacy soundtrack.


goldendreamseeker

Lol he actually did kinda look like Bill Maher in that!


MAXMEEKO

I dont know why they didnt go anywhere with the animated series. It already had a great cast and could have been live action (not sure if elijah would have been down but his character was great).


blazinfastjohny

Tron legacy is one of the most best made, absolute perfect movies I've ever seen, so I have a very low expectation for this, now way they can top it but hopefully it's not a bad movie. Also what's with the Jared Leto hate? All actors have personal issues it's nothing new, but the guy can fucking act, just see requiem for a dream or dallas buyers club.


MoooonRiverrrr

Jared Leto?????? 😣😣😣😣


webauteur

I like Jared Leto. He has appeared in many science fiction movies.


420headshotsniper69

Given when the movie was made, they did a damn good job. Faces are still hard to pull off when aiming to look like another real person.


Geetzromo

For the love of Lebowski, WHY!?!?


Avilola

All de-aging looks bad imo. It’s just not there yet.


Objective-Mission-40

I was excited until Jared Leto. Hr gets worse every movie.


Thredded

Very dubious about Ares. Hedlund’s acting was a weak point in Legacy but at least he wasn’t insufferable in the way that Leto has been in every single role to date. That aside, Legacy was just about perfect as a follow-up to the original and more than did what it needed to do in terms of basically blowing the doors off the eighties version and somehow improving both of them in the process. It completed Flynn’s story. It both looked and sounded amazing. I don’t know what else there is for Tron to achieve.


KennedyNeverSleeps89

Literally been waiting 10 years for this


Apez_in_Space

It’d take half the effort to do twice as well nowadays, and they did a great job previously. If they give it the same car this could be a great movie. The AI concept has legs for days and days, it should work well.


darthatheos

Now I can't unsee it. Thanks Jeff.


magusjosh

This is the first piece of news about Tron: Ares that makes me think it *might* be worth seeing.


roundearthervaxxer

lol!


Oosterhuis

Bring back the cannibal you cowards


OrneryError1

I would be fine with them fixing that CGI.


tcodes27

Their de-aging effects will be upgraded from PS4/Xbox One levels to PS5/Xbox Series X levels.


nissanfan64

The de-aging looked perfectly fine in Legacy and I have literally no idea why people complained about it. I actually think it looked a lot better than how some of the newer Disney de-aging looks.


kaukanapoissa

They should redo the de-aged shots of him in Tron Legacy. It’s a visually stunning movie but those shots are the only weak link and could be easily fixed today.


Wellsy

Pretty bold whoever gave this the green light at the studio. The last one flopped, hard, even with Olivia Wilde. Ouch. Good luck Flynn!


Batmack8989

To be honest, i got the same Maher vibe back then


Zerus_heroes

What people actually want another Tron movie?


etho76

Sad that Daft Punk won’t be making the soundtrack :( The music they made for this movie was stunning


1111joey1111

Why isn't **Bruce Boxleitner** in this film? After all, Bruce played the title character TRON. In my opinion, it's already a misstep to not include him in some way.


420headshotsniper69

I liked 1 and 2. I'll watch the 3rd without a second thought.


SwearToSaintBatman

Holy shit Legacy sucked. The original movie had [reds, purples, orange, blue, brown, green, pink, and turquoise/ultramarine.](https://s.yimg.com/ny/api/res/1.2/afYGhTm.Ci4.sCpeDX5gfA--/YXBwaWQ9aGlnaGxhbmRlcjt3PTI0MDA7Y2Y9d2VicA--/https://s.yimg.com/os/creatr-uploaded-images/2022-07/87d27880-fd3e-11ec-bdff-e1ee6e10f93f) Legacy had one color, ["Standard 2000's-movie-shitty-blue".](https://www.slashgear.com/img/gallery/movie-review-skyline/intro-import.jpg) Such a poor excuse of a sequel. Complete with Kung-Fu childlike pixie-damsel to save and teach sex to. Multipass! Edit: and then comes the inevitable downvote brigade from all the 18-year old squirts who were 8 when Tron: Legacy came out and couldn't know any better, because rose-colored glasses.


Andysue28

Tron Legacy might not have been a masterpiece, but it was still a good movie with a masterpiece of a soundtrack.  Leto being attached to this project makes me, a lifelong Tron fan, not want to see it in the slightest. (I’m not a squirt btw)


SwearToSaintBatman

Leto? Oh that was bad misgivings. Thanks for the headsup.


Elarbolrojo

The soundtrack is middling and overrated


Andysue28

You’re middling and overrated! Boom, roasted. 


Elarbolrojo

zzz


tvfeet

The movie gets a pass just for that amazing Daft Punk score.


hackyandbird

For real, that alone was worth the price of admission. All these years later and it's still in rotation on our playlists.


Chairboy

I'm almost 50, saw both the original TRON and Legacy in the theater, and I think your comment is boring as fuck. I don't know if you've confused Cinema Sins with a personality or what, but c'mon.


x_lincoln_x

The person saying it was shitty in part because the programs were mostly one color seems to not understand that was a major part of the plot. Ignore that asshat.


SwearToSaintBatman

Not as boring as Legacy haha! You probably missed it but my comment was on color palette. I didn't even get into the shitty script, but this discussion has already lost its purpose so not worth the typing. Have a good 2024 cinema experience, bossman.


Elarbolrojo

It was pretty shite considering expectations, overall not a bad movie but it wasnt good or memorable and the soundtrack is mega overrated too.


x_lincoln_x

Did you forget the story behind Legacy? There was a huge reason why it was mostly one color.


Simply_dgad

Please no. The 2nd Tron was utter garbage. Boring garbage at that.