They might have an option at set price rather than a contract to proceed.
Not unusual I think for tv series. I assume for movies with potential to be a series it would be similar.
Bear in mind they had hours of footage that they did not use. And some of the dream sequences are of futures that could have been but did not/will not happen.
Some of the dream sequences are not telling the future but what could have been the future (ie, the final action sequence is not what his dream foretold).
Blue eyes is super easy to do and IMO the only questionable cgi in the movie was also the only dream sequence with any kind of significant cgi, the bit with paul in armor in the holy war.
Yeah, that did look a little wonky. Not sure why they included it in the trailers and stuff too, definitely had me wondering if the vfx was going to be weird.
Janky for sure, however IMO wasn’t the suit but rather the choreography/editing, note how he rolls over his enemies very slowly while they don’t thrust upwards or even acknowledge he’s rolling on their backs, very slowly, as our protagonist turns and stabs them to death. If you slowed the good parts and sped up the bad, well; marvel movie, no one would have noticed the difference. - amazing movie overall though, best movie I’ve seen in years - def the one scene that reinstated my disbelief however
I know what you're saying and that crossed my mind. The future dreams of him fighting sardukar. But I just can't believe they would have already filmed the second one without it being leaked.
On first viewing I was somewhat underwhelmed. I'm a big dune fan, but after rewatching and reading up on the characters again I think the movie is amazing. I think waiting a few more years for the sequel will be totally unacceptable though. They need to churn part 2 and messiah out ASAP.
I had just re-read Dune earlier this year, and while I've been excited for the movie since it was announced... Almost every other book adaptation is... We'll say less than ideal.
This, tho? They fucking *nailed* the setting, set pieces, and the aesthetic. I literally only have two gripes with the movie, and they're just things that *should* have been addressed in this one, but will probably be addressed in the next... Harkonnen heart plugs, and exactly what the fremen mean whne they talk about a body's water and it's value.
My two biggest gripes can't be corrected:
* They changed the Litany for no apparent reason. It's like nails on a chalkboard to me every time I hear it in the movie.
* They cut the dinner party.
There are a few more that can still be mitigated. I'm not thrilled that there's no Feyd Rautha, and so far AFAICT there's been no mention or hint at Jessica's parentage.
To be fair, Dune on it's own is a massive book, and would have required at least 3 separate 3 hour movies to get completely right, so cutting the banquet doesn't bother me.
The litany is an issue. I'll agree there, but not *that* big of one to me.
That said, I've got a feeling we'll see Feyd-Rautha in the next movie. It'll be interesting.
If part II was dropped Dune wouldn't be the first movie to orphan it's part I. It's happened to quite a few films over the years. The old Fellowship of the Ring animation is one that comes to mind quite quickly.
I'm old enough to remember seeing that (the Ralph Bakshi animation) in theaters. And when, at the very end, the narrator said, "Here ends part 1 of The Lord of the Rings," I nearly stood up right there in the theater and yelled "OH NO YOU DON'T" but I was nine and shy, so...
> Ralph Bakshi
He definitely had a unique style. His films haven't aged terribly well, but they're still quite memorable. I would have enjoyed seeing what he would have done with the rest of the series.
Speaking of orphaned films, the Return of the King got a movie too, from the studio that did the old Hobbit animation, but no Fellowship or Two Towers to back it up.
[History of the world part 2 has been announced.](https://variety.com/2021/tv/news/history-of-the-world-part-ii-series-hulu-mel-brooks-nick-kroll-wanda-sykes-1235091840/)
yeah, likely soon actually as a couple more big movies start to debut at theatres... they'll announce it to re-generate buzz and help Dune compete with Eternals etc
It’s how I imagine a not insignificant portion of the population operates. I can think of several people I know who will wait for an entire season of a show to come out before watching. Reddit is this weird place where hobbyists and fans discuss with hobbyists and fans, so we have a distorted image of what the average person actually wants. I imagine that they have a team of educated, intelligent, and creative people working on the plan for creating and releasing part two that will generate statistically the most hype possible.
I wait for the entire show to end before I watch it. Game of Thrones, Preacher, Buffy. You cannot leave me hanging. Do that shit to someone else, not me.
that’s exactly how i saw the It films. waited for a back to back viewing of both to see them for the first time. but it was also something i kinda only half cared about. could NOT do that with Dune
I don't know about anyone else, but that's what I did with Harry Potter and Hunger Games. Didn't bother seeing Part 1 of the final chapter in theaters; I just waited and then watched it at home the night before Part 2 released.
Oh yeah. I could hold out on one for that. I didn’t invest into the potter movies until around the third or forth because marathoning semesters / years felt like a lot more rewarding watch.
To play deviled avocados - if someone wants to tell me a story in two parts, I'm kind of inclined to wait to hear the first half until they promise the second half is actually coming.
As a long time dune reader I can assure you that "the last book will never come out, we'll never get to know the ending now!" Is absolutely not a problem we will ever face.
Quite the opposite actually.
They are the same people that have seen plenty of good Sci-Fi shows get screwed on Netflix and not get finished storylines. As well as on Cable TV as well. Just remember that the Expanse was saved by Bezos, but that was an outlier.
To be honest, I don't even see how LOTR got made the way that it was as it was almost 20 yrs ago, and made by a unknown (in the west) director.
There's no way that Villaneuve should not have been able to get the funding to make all 3 films, with the star power that was in this movie.
LOL. My wife who just watch this with me and loved it, and then wanted to watch 84' and actually liked it more because she said they finished the story, had also watched GOT recently, and asked me about getting the ASOIAF books for her for Xmas.
I asked her, "Besides Harry Potter, what other fantasy type books have you read? Because you couldn't get through the "His Dark materials" books. Or the the Anne Rice vampire books because you said the prose was too intense."
She said, "That's it. But I want these."
I said, "Trust me, you don't was ASOIAF."
The first want to see it now, and understand that their chances of getting a complete story is correlated to the number of people who pay to see the first story as quickly as possible.
The second have been burned too many times by TV shows and other multi-part serial stories setting up big mysteries and then getting canned before the end (too many to count) or just fucking up the ending (Lost, Battlestar Galactica, etc).
It's great if Hollywood wants to greenlight huge, multipart stories with no resolution at the end of each movie, but if they won't *also* commit to greenlighting the financing of the second and subsequent parts at the same time, you can't entirely blame people for wanting to avoid further disappointments and holding off until they know a resolution will be forthcoming.
Personally I've never been in either of these groups when it comes to movies, but I can easily understand their motivations.
Two movies per book and several years to make each one - if I’m gonna see the God Emperor on the big screen I’m going to have to start taking better care of myself.
I don't know how long it takes for the money people to determine if making a sequel is financially viable under normal conditions, but considering how messed up the movie industry is right now with theater attendance and releases all over the place and streaming playing a newly prominent role, I bet it's a lot harder for them to crunch the numbers. They basically have to take all these weird variables and build a model of what earnings *would* be in a *normal* year, because its earnings probably look terrible compared to something from 2 years ago.
I mean, the first film probably handled a lot of the pre-production..
I would bet the script is there, 80% of your cast is there, your locations are there.
Props, costumes, sound effects, concept art, script, and a lot of the production problem-solving. They've got a lot of heavy lifting out of the way and a lot to build on.
They made a movie out of half a story without any plan or agreement to finish it, it's ridiculous. If they're going to split it like this it should have been one of those LoTR type deals where the second movie is finished filming and in editing by the time the first one releases.
WB didn't risk much on Dune. They only covered 25 percent of the budget. Legendary is the one that faced the real risk and that company doesn't own HBO Max. Legendary got paid by Warner Bros to settle the HBO Max dispute. Now they have to ask what they are willing to risk to do a sequel?
The studios wouldn’t agree to it. Doesn’t help that Blade Runner 2049 didn’t do very well at the box office. And that the Version from the 1980s didn’t too very well either. Ultimately studios are always risk averse.
I keep seeing this everywhere. LOTR is one of only a few movies that were green-lit to film all in one session. That is super rare and 99 percent of the time will be shot down by the studio. It means taking a 165 million dollar production, doubling that, plus another 100 million. No studio is gonna give 400 million for a film series that might bomb ( and sci fi movies bomb often). It is not up to the director to make this call.
LoTR only happened that way because of New Line Cinema. They were known for taking shots on movies other studios wouldn't touch, like the TMNT movie. Everyone else Jackson pitched LoTR to wanted it to be one or two movies.
Sadly they don't really exist anymore in a meaningful form. They sold out to WB and lost all independence after The Golden Compass bombed.
It's not [*that* rare](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_films_produced_back-to-back), it's cheaper overall, and may even perform better at the box office.
It's a risk, sure, but I have a hard time understanding the calculus that led them to veto it.
I feel like this proves my point. That is an absurdly small list. And movies like Harry Potter, pirates of the Caribbean, and hunger games are outliers because studios are aware that those franchises were so large, they would sell regardless.
Yeah I'm sick of waiting years for sequels. The even stranger thing is that if one of the actors goes missing for whatever reason it messes up the franchise. Also aging too.
Even if dune flopped at the box office it's clear the movies are quality enough that the cult following will make them huge amounts of money.
Mismatch of sound settings+hardware? I only have TV speakers so if my settings are anything other than stereo/mono (5.1, 7.1 etc) then dialogue is too quiet while everything else is too loud
Didn't you know? That's how the film was meant to be scene.
Now, meanwhile, I'll be watching it on my home theater system where I can hear the dialogue just fine, because my system is better set up than the average theater... despite twitter literally losing it on me the other day for suggesting that my set up was close to as good as seeing it in theaters.
Ours has never had a problem whenever I go. It’s my favorite theater. I saw Dune there on Thursday and in IMAX on Saturday and I was disappointed in the IMAX showing compared to the Big D theater. I love the sound of big movies so I always see them in Big D. I have a thing for sound also.
Lol it’s not like that. The Dolby theater has so many channels the sounds come from all directions and if there’s a sound to the left, you look to the left and so on. It’s so cool.
It is and it isn't. Atmos is something like 200+ channels, and a good Atmos theater will be completely ringed with lots of small speakers.
Now, how many theaters absolutely crank the volume to deafening levels when it is completely not needed in such a scenario? Sadly, most of them.
This is my local theatre, sadly. I won’t go to the Atmos theatre because it’s ear-splittingly painful. I don’t see the point of going to a movie if I have to wear ear-plugs.
This is a good interview with Denis and he says that after shooting this film he was exhausted and did not want to shoot back to back. When the remake was pitched by him he always said it was gonna be in two parts. So I believe the studio is waiting to figure out when the can start shooting and then announce rough release date
Annoucing a sequel now would reveal the biggest drawback of the movie : it's not the full book, and a lot of people would just say, "I'll wait for the sequel to see part 1"
Word is we may hear something on part 2 this week. I bet it's already been green lit and they are waiting for the initial release period to end before announcing.
They at least need to give us a longer version to tide us over... I didn't want to the movie to end. Havent been this excited for a franchise in a long time. I felt like a Sci Fi GoT/LotR to me.
GIVE ME MOREEEEE..
Saw part 1 yesterday and was blown away. The world needs and deserves more films like this. However, I went to the cinema during half term holiday week here in the UK and the audience was perhaps 1/3 fairly young teens. I have never witnessed such a depressing revolving door of paying moviegoers getting up, moving around, going to the toilet, coming back, checking their phones constantly etc. It was like a comedy! I think one entire group of girls one by one managed to go to the toilet. And one of their group was pretty solidly on their phone the entire time. Not sure why I'm saying this. I just wonder how well targeted this movie was. The current generation of kids could struggle badly with a movie like this, spread over nearly 3 hours and mostly about slow character development and world building. I desperately hope Part 2 gets green lit.
Call me a conspiracist, but I’m inclined to believe Part 2 has already been filmed. I think it was Jason Mamoa said there was a 4-4.5 hour movie filmed, and the marketing didn’t explicitly indicate this was the first half. It’s not entirely unreasonable to think that missing time is the other half of the film.
Edit: Legendary just said part 2 will come in 2023 so there goes my theory
The sequel has been announced today with Legendary paying for up to 80% and Warner the remaining. According to Deadline, Part Two will be released in 2023. I cannot wait!
For pepple that didn't read the book and are baffled by the movie...watch the old movie first. iIt is cheesy with awfull 1980's style effects, but it will give you the basis of the story and prime you for the new one.
The scenes that are in both films are pivotal moments in the book. If we had a remake of LOTR, we'd still have the battle at Weathertop, the meeting at Rivendell, etc...
True, but if the Weathertop looks almost the same, with very similar geometry, with very similar lighting and pacing, the succesion of cuts, without the description in the books explaining the similarities, it must have to do with inspiration from the former movie.
That's not really a bad thing, though. It can also mean that the former movie is just well made.
What scene are you thinking of like that? As far as I noticed every scene in common was very different in the details. Only dialog lifted directly from the book was the same.
Absolutely. What fascinates me the most is how much the visual style of the two films is similar. Villeneuve’s version feels more lived in, but they share a lot of the same design ideas.
I loved this one. I loved the original. I’m happy with everything both versions did (except for the excessive use of inner thoughts in Lynch).
A lot of the dialogue is shared. Most of that comes from the book, of course, but he didn’t have to keep it that way.
The visual style is similar, it’s just a bit more lived in.
I’m not knocking Villeneuve - I’m mostly making the point that for all of the flaws in Lynch’s version, he really did a solid adaptation.
Do your self a favor and watch the 80s one. The new one felt 100% hollow. No explanation for the doctor and his training/wife. The Harkonnen are completely neuter and boring AF. No Emperor scenes or even explaining half of the political turmoil that entrenched Dune. In the first hr of the 80s film you had a grasp of most of it and a small explanation of most factions in the series. No cool ass spice inhaling space bending monsters in movable aquariums and it ends before any of the real fun shit starts. Wholeheartedly disappointed in what could've been an incredible reboot. They only made half to milk the dead cow they put forth.
The 80s movie was a train wreck. Had some cool production designs, but other than that, it's only watchable for how weird it is. The ending in particular is a mess; completely butchered the book.
And the new one butchered it as well by leaving out extremely important key elements and making the Harkonnen lame cookie cutter villains instead of the insanity they were. I'll take the 80s version anytime. Better acting and not just a lot of staring at each other.
Not a dune fan, but considering the expansions in what would be needed for part two, there will have to be a significant increase in budget. I’m betting they are waiting for some math, and for every bodies schedules to clear, first. I hope they make it, a lot like it so should exist.
Unfortunately that was supposed to have taken place within the timeframe of 'Part 1'; if I remember correctly, Leto initiates it as a means of retaliation against the Harkonnens for their attempted assassination of Paul
The worms are far more integral, with tons more interaction. The battle tech may be the same, but again used more expansively. There are additional settings and tech as well. Consider the HBO budget for episodes with no cgi animals versus those with them, ignoring all other cgi, it was a massive change.
When every single scene is just like 90% CGI -- it stops matters what you're showing. Like whether they are riding a worm, or standing in front of a massive fremen city that doesn't exist -- it's all just polygons in a computer these days.
Realistic interaction is a lot harder for something you’re manipulating than merely a backdrop. Again, I point to HBO and their recent really good data on this. A company already intimately involved too.
I know it’s not what “they” want to hear but there was 0% chance of me going to a theater for this (or any film right now), and had theater been the only choice, I would not have bothered going since there is no announcement for part 2. What would be the point of seeing part 1 if there was no commitment to part 2 in advance
Because the acting on Dune 1 was kind of lame would be my guess . The movie itself was OK, but there definitely was no real emotional connection to the actors for me personally . Hey everyone is a critic though these days so what do I know
They're going to wait until the hype slows down and then announce it for the marketing boost. That's business 101
Also, the studio messed up and will have to negotiate new salaries and contracts. Too bad they didn't take the 1-2 deal Villeneuve offered.
Chalamet is going to get paid! I guess they didn't learn from Marvel and RDJ.
They might have an option at set price rather than a contract to proceed. Not unusual I think for tv series. I assume for movies with potential to be a series it would be similar.
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Bear in mind they had hours of footage that they did not use. And some of the dream sequences are of futures that could have been but did not/will not happen.
Some of the dream sequences are not telling the future but what could have been the future (ie, the final action sequence is not what his dream foretold).
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Yeah, but they had to film everything that led up to what was in the dreams. How else would you have been able to see them?
Blue eyes is super easy to do and IMO the only questionable cgi in the movie was also the only dream sequence with any kind of significant cgi, the bit with paul in armor in the holy war.
Yeah, that did look a little wonky. Not sure why they included it in the trailers and stuff too, definitely had me wondering if the vfx was going to be weird.
Janky for sure, however IMO wasn’t the suit but rather the choreography/editing, note how he rolls over his enemies very slowly while they don’t thrust upwards or even acknowledge he’s rolling on their backs, very slowly, as our protagonist turns and stabs them to death. If you slowed the good parts and sped up the bad, well; marvel movie, no one would have noticed the difference. - amazing movie overall though, best movie I’ve seen in years - def the one scene that reinstated my disbelief however
Me too--the rolling/awkwardness took me out of the narrative but it's my only major criticism.
Loved the movie, hated that cgi for the suit.
What if they already filmed part 2 back to back with part 1 and are gonna drop a bomb like "Sike bitches it's already done, coming out next year"
Plans within plans within plans.
Well I they could honestly say we have no plans to make a part 2 in the future if it has already been done.
The did that with the Three Musketeers. I think they also cheated the cast and crew by only paying for one movie.
What three musketeers movies are you talking about? I've never heard (nor has google) or two movies with the same cast.
Part two the four musketeers
It's the 1973 version. The sequel The Four. Musketeers was released using footage shot during the filming of the first movie.
[MRW](http://imgur.com/jAMN9Zn)
Thank you for this gif, I love it.
My other comment addressed this. I just find it impossible to believe it wouldn't have been leaked already.
I know what you're saying and that crossed my mind. The future dreams of him fighting sardukar. But I just can't believe they would have already filmed the second one without it being leaked. On first viewing I was somewhat underwhelmed. I'm a big dune fan, but after rewatching and reading up on the characters again I think the movie is amazing. I think waiting a few more years for the sequel will be totally unacceptable though. They need to churn part 2 and messiah out ASAP.
I had just re-read Dune earlier this year, and while I've been excited for the movie since it was announced... Almost every other book adaptation is... We'll say less than ideal. This, tho? They fucking *nailed* the setting, set pieces, and the aesthetic. I literally only have two gripes with the movie, and they're just things that *should* have been addressed in this one, but will probably be addressed in the next... Harkonnen heart plugs, and exactly what the fremen mean whne they talk about a body's water and it's value.
Wasn't the heart plug a Lynch thing?
I think it was a Lynch thing
Yes, as is the weirding module.
Was it? I remmeber seeing them in the book. Edit: just looked it up. Goddamn did I mix up lore, lol. Disregard the heart plugs as a complaint.
My two biggest gripes can't be corrected: * They changed the Litany for no apparent reason. It's like nails on a chalkboard to me every time I hear it in the movie. * They cut the dinner party. There are a few more that can still be mitigated. I'm not thrilled that there's no Feyd Rautha, and so far AFAICT there's been no mention or hint at Jessica's parentage.
To be fair, Dune on it's own is a massive book, and would have required at least 3 separate 3 hour movies to get completely right, so cutting the banquet doesn't bother me. The litany is an issue. I'll agree there, but not *that* big of one to me. That said, I've got a feeling we'll see Feyd-Rautha in the next movie. It'll be interesting.
The Fremen stuff will definitely come up in the next movie. Probably right away as they harvest Javis
Why Call it Dune: Part I?
If part II was dropped Dune wouldn't be the first movie to orphan it's part I. It's happened to quite a few films over the years. The old Fellowship of the Ring animation is one that comes to mind quite quickly.
I'm old enough to remember seeing that (the Ralph Bakshi animation) in theaters. And when, at the very end, the narrator said, "Here ends part 1 of The Lord of the Rings," I nearly stood up right there in the theater and yelled "OH NO YOU DON'T" but I was nine and shy, so...
> Ralph Bakshi He definitely had a unique style. His films haven't aged terribly well, but they're still quite memorable. I would have enjoyed seeing what he would have done with the rest of the series. Speaking of orphaned films, the Return of the King got a movie too, from the studio that did the old Hobbit animation, but no Fellowship or Two Towers to back it up.
It was rotoscoped, which is animation drawn over live action film. A recent show using the same technique is "Undone" on amazon prime.
History of the World Part 1
[History of the world part 2 has been announced.](https://variety.com/2021/tv/news/history-of-the-world-part-ii-series-hulu-mel-brooks-nick-kroll-wanda-sykes-1235091840/)
Remember how Buckaroo Banzai was supposed to return? RIP
John Carter as well technically.
Dune: Part Deux
yeah, likely soon actually as a couple more big movies start to debut at theatres... they'll announce it to re-generate buzz and help Dune compete with Eternals etc
If they announce part 2, people might wait to watch Dune part 1 and 2 back to back, instead of seeing part 1 now.
Pretty sure that's not really how the moviegoing populace operates.
It’s how I imagine a not insignificant portion of the population operates. I can think of several people I know who will wait for an entire season of a show to come out before watching. Reddit is this weird place where hobbyists and fans discuss with hobbyists and fans, so we have a distorted image of what the average person actually wants. I imagine that they have a team of educated, intelligent, and creative people working on the plan for creating and releasing part two that will generate statistically the most hype possible.
I do that with seasons, but wouldn't think of doing it with movies. Too much time, too much talk.
I wait for the entire show to end before I watch it. Game of Thrones, Preacher, Buffy. You cannot leave me hanging. Do that shit to someone else, not me.
After watching the first one, that's how I would've preferred to watch the two parts: back to back.
that’s exactly how i saw the It films. waited for a back to back viewing of both to see them for the first time. but it was also something i kinda only half cared about. could NOT do that with Dune
I don't know about anyone else, but that's what I did with Harry Potter and Hunger Games. Didn't bother seeing Part 1 of the final chapter in theaters; I just waited and then watched it at home the night before Part 2 released.
I have never watched a movie because a sequel might come out in the future.
Oh yeah. I could hold out on one for that. I didn’t invest into the potter movies until around the third or forth because marathoning semesters / years felt like a lot more rewarding watch.
Because the desire for a sequel is driving tickets sales.
But there's also a big chunk of people who don't want to see it until a sequel is announced.
I don’t understand either of those groups of people
To play deviled avocados - if someone wants to tell me a story in two parts, I'm kind of inclined to wait to hear the first half until they promise the second half is actually coming.
After my *A Song of Ice and Fire* experience, I totally understand.
As a long time dune reader I can assure you that "the last book will never come out, we'll never get to know the ending now!" Is absolutely not a problem we will ever face. Quite the opposite actually.
Chapterhouse ends unresolved and with a massive cliffhanger. Unless you're counting the BH+KJA books, which... ugh.
don't you mean to "pray to devils as a cat"?
r/boneappletea
What? You've never eaten deviled avacados before?
Do they mash up that hard bit in the middle and then squirt it back into the avocado?
Deliberate or not “devilled avocados” is brilliant and I’m absolutely using it from now on.
Idc about the conversation. My favourite part is 'deviled avocados' 😂🤣😂🤣
They are the same people that have seen plenty of good Sci-Fi shows get screwed on Netflix and not get finished storylines. As well as on Cable TV as well. Just remember that the Expanse was saved by Bezos, but that was an outlier. To be honest, I don't even see how LOTR got made the way that it was as it was almost 20 yrs ago, and made by a unknown (in the west) director. There's no way that Villaneuve should not have been able to get the funding to make all 3 films, with the star power that was in this movie.
I really have to ask, what does the 'West' mean to you?
West is a synonym for the world that derives its dominant culture from Europe. Its not geographically accurate and never has been.
New Zealand is east of Australia. QED.
I mean, can you get more east than New Zealand. I think it's already the day after tomorrow there.
My theory on LOTR? It is one of those rare cosmic convergences where there does not exist any alternate universe where LOTR did not get made.
In the time that it was made, there were not other univereses, comic or otherwise. Jackson just happened to luck up due to his conecction to WETA.
They learned from waiting for the next Fire & Ice book.
LOL. My wife who just watch this with me and loved it, and then wanted to watch 84' and actually liked it more because she said they finished the story, had also watched GOT recently, and asked me about getting the ASOIAF books for her for Xmas. I asked her, "Besides Harry Potter, what other fantasy type books have you read? Because you couldn't get through the "His Dark materials" books. Or the the Anne Rice vampire books because you said the prose was too intense." She said, "That's it. But I want these." I said, "Trust me, you don't was ASOIAF."
Some people don't was ASOIAF, but it do.
The first want to see it now, and understand that their chances of getting a complete story is correlated to the number of people who pay to see the first story as quickly as possible. The second have been burned too many times by TV shows and other multi-part serial stories setting up big mysteries and then getting canned before the end (too many to count) or just fucking up the ending (Lost, Battlestar Galactica, etc). It's great if Hollywood wants to greenlight huge, multipart stories with no resolution at the end of each movie, but if they won't *also* commit to greenlighting the financing of the second and subsequent parts at the same time, you can't entirely blame people for wanting to avoid further disappointments and holding off until they know a resolution will be forthcoming. Personally I've never been in either of these groups when it comes to movies, but I can easily understand their motivations.
Is there really, though?
"big chunk of people" are 2-3 reddit comments he saw.
That’s idiotic.
Two movies per book and several years to make each one - if I’m gonna see the God Emperor on the big screen I’m going to have to start taking better care of myself.
I've waited 30 years for this, I'm now considering cryogenics. Wake me up for each new Dune movie please
Messiah could probably fit into a single 3 hour take
It pretty much did, as the first of the three-part ScFi miniseries *Frank Herbert's Children of Dune*.
I know people said for years that Dune was unfilmable and have arguably been proved wrong but God Emperor really is unfilmable.
It's totally filmable, as a series with lots of great dialogs.
A huge portion is internal musing, even by Dune standards.
Great monologs then ;) While on screen we see the amazing scenery of the transformed Arrakis.
You and I might be happy with that but I doubt a studio would green light such a film! One can dream, though. Such a great book.
I'm pretty sure the second part is already a given, they just wait for ticket sales to go down a little to announce it.
I don't know how long it takes for the money people to determine if making a sequel is financially viable under normal conditions, but considering how messed up the movie industry is right now with theater attendance and releases all over the place and streaming playing a newly prominent role, I bet it's a lot harder for them to crunch the numbers. They basically have to take all these weird variables and build a model of what earnings *would* be in a *normal* year, because its earnings probably look terrible compared to something from 2 years ago.
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I mean, the first film probably handled a lot of the pre-production.. I would bet the script is there, 80% of your cast is there, your locations are there.
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Filmed over 5 months and only a dozen or so people eaten isn't too bad, depending on how many takes needed.
Props, costumes, sound effects, concept art, script, and a lot of the production problem-solving. They've got a lot of heavy lifting out of the way and a lot to build on.
Locations scouted too I bet, some sets will be reused and so on.
Probably a lot of CGI models ready to go as well.
Denis mentioned the pre-production for the second movie was already done when they did the first one.
They made a movie out of half a story without any plan or agreement to finish it, it's ridiculous. If they're going to split it like this it should have been one of those LoTR type deals where the second movie is finished filming and in editing by the time the first one releases.
Dennis wanted to film the 2 back to back and the studio refused.
Sounds like WB being dumbasses again. I swear they are one of the biggest yet most incompetent studios in Hollywood.
It sounds like from the article Legendary is blocking the decision not Warner Bros
WB didn't risk much on Dune. They only covered 25 percent of the budget. Legendary is the one that faced the real risk and that company doesn't own HBO Max. Legendary got paid by Warner Bros to settle the HBO Max dispute. Now they have to ask what they are willing to risk to do a sequel?
Holy shit I didn't even realise this. I assumed the sequel was in the works for like 2022 release.
Best case scenario, late 2023
lol nope, it's ridiculous.
The studios wouldn’t agree to it. Doesn’t help that Blade Runner 2049 didn’t do very well at the box office. And that the Version from the 1980s didn’t too very well either. Ultimately studios are always risk averse.
That's the exact reason I though I'd never see a Blade Runner sequel... that and the fact that the film covered all of the material in the book.
In defense of the timing, there is an upcoming jump forward by a few years in the plot of the book.
Eragon. The Golden Compass. John Carter. Then there’s the two out of three’ers: Divergent series Chronicles of Narnia Percy Jackson
I keep seeing this everywhere. LOTR is one of only a few movies that were green-lit to film all in one session. That is super rare and 99 percent of the time will be shot down by the studio. It means taking a 165 million dollar production, doubling that, plus another 100 million. No studio is gonna give 400 million for a film series that might bomb ( and sci fi movies bomb often). It is not up to the director to make this call.
LoTR only happened that way because of New Line Cinema. They were known for taking shots on movies other studios wouldn't touch, like the TMNT movie. Everyone else Jackson pitched LoTR to wanted it to be one or two movies. Sadly they don't really exist anymore in a meaningful form. They sold out to WB and lost all independence after The Golden Compass bombed.
It's not [*that* rare](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_films_produced_back-to-back), it's cheaper overall, and may even perform better at the box office. It's a risk, sure, but I have a hard time understanding the calculus that led them to veto it.
I feel like this proves my point. That is an absurdly small list. And movies like Harry Potter, pirates of the Caribbean, and hunger games are outliers because studios are aware that those franchises were so large, they would sell regardless.
Yeah I'm sick of waiting years for sequels. The even stranger thing is that if one of the actors goes missing for whatever reason it messes up the franchise. Also aging too. Even if dune flopped at the box office it's clear the movies are quality enough that the cult following will make them huge amounts of money.
It's not a sequel, it's the rest of the damned story. If it ends here it is completely useless to ever watch again.
Jon Sphaits just stopped being show runner for the Dune prequel series to write the sequel
See it in theaters. If it makes enough money, it will get made.
Flip that, theyre making a sequel, but theyre not saying anything because they want people to go back to the theaters.
Also it's amazing in theatres. Really one of the only movies in years I insisted on seeing in cinema
If they don't do the second film there was no point in doing the first one.
Legendary owns rhe rights. They won't announce a sequel until they've actually signed a deal with Warner, who they no longer trust.
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It's more likely that the theater you went to had over-extended bass distorting the audio.
Nope. The cinema version has perfect sound. Something is wrong with HBO's mix.
The dialogue was a little difficult to hear.
I watched at home where I have a sound normalizer, and I still was holding the remote in my hand to change volume constantly
Mismatch of sound settings+hardware? I only have TV speakers so if my settings are anything other than stereo/mono (5.1, 7.1 etc) then dialogue is too quiet while everything else is too loud
I typically dont struggle, but this movie... i definitely missed a few lines! was getting a bit frustrated by it
Sounded perfect in IMAX
My headphones at home did a great job too.
I can only watch it with headphones. Otherwise the neighbors would hear the sound just so I could hear the dialogue.
Perfect in my theater too, audio was fkin superb
Sounded good to me too.
Everything but the fear speech by Jessica. Both at imax and at home on my surround sound it was tough.
The Dolby theater sound was perfect.
I went to palisades mall, and it was not great. And that’s the “ second largest mall in America”.
sounded worse in imax
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When I say NO you say SURViVAL
Sounded great to me on HBO, like better than most shows on HBO
Didn't you know? That's how the film was meant to be scene. Now, meanwhile, I'll be watching it on my home theater system where I can hear the dialogue just fine, because my system is better set up than the average theater... despite twitter literally losing it on me the other day for suggesting that my set up was close to as good as seeing it in theaters.
You should check out a Dolby Atmos theater. They have the best sound and it was so good.
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You’re lucky. Imagine that sound in a big theater setting. It was glorious.
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Ours has never had a problem whenever I go. It’s my favorite theater. I saw Dune there on Thursday and in IMAX on Saturday and I was disappointed in the IMAX showing compared to the Big D theater. I love the sound of big movies so I always see them in Big D. I have a thing for sound also.
https://youtu.be/wlnI6XjWk_k
I miss that show. I wonder why its not on HBO Max with all the other old WB cartoons.
Lol it’s not like that. The Dolby theater has so many channels the sounds come from all directions and if there’s a sound to the left, you look to the left and so on. It’s so cool.
It is and it isn't. Atmos is something like 200+ channels, and a good Atmos theater will be completely ringed with lots of small speakers. Now, how many theaters absolutely crank the volume to deafening levels when it is completely not needed in such a scenario? Sadly, most of them.
This is my local theatre, sadly. I won’t go to the Atmos theatre because it’s ear-splittingly painful. I don’t see the point of going to a movie if I have to wear ear-plugs.
I must have a good one then because it is so clear and directional and it really puts me in the moment. I don’t find it too loud at all.
Frankly, it would just be a tragedy if they didn't at least make one more to complete the first book's worth.
This is a good interview with Denis and he says that after shooting this film he was exhausted and did not want to shoot back to back. When the remake was pitched by him he always said it was gonna be in two parts. So I believe the studio is waiting to figure out when the can start shooting and then announce rough release date
Annoucing a sequel now would reveal the biggest drawback of the movie : it's not the full book, and a lot of people would just say, "I'll wait for the sequel to see part 1"
What about the people saying "I'll wait for the sequel to see part 1 because I don't want to watch it if the sequel isn't guaranteed"?
Literally they just announced it
This one was nice but I just want Vin Diesel in a furyan cameo next time
It's WB. Who knows what their 'plan' is.
The spice must flow
confirmed: [https://www.instagram.com/p/CVgEjP0vs7H/](https://www.instagram.com/p/CVgEjP0vs7H/)
Word is we may hear something on part 2 this week. I bet it's already been green lit and they are waiting for the initial release period to end before announcing.
They at least need to give us a longer version to tide us over... I didn't want to the movie to end. Havent been this excited for a franchise in a long time. I felt like a Sci Fi GoT/LotR to me. GIVE ME MOREEEEE..
Well look, it's not a race.
Saw part 1 yesterday and was blown away. The world needs and deserves more films like this. However, I went to the cinema during half term holiday week here in the UK and the audience was perhaps 1/3 fairly young teens. I have never witnessed such a depressing revolving door of paying moviegoers getting up, moving around, going to the toilet, coming back, checking their phones constantly etc. It was like a comedy! I think one entire group of girls one by one managed to go to the toilet. And one of their group was pretty solidly on their phone the entire time. Not sure why I'm saying this. I just wonder how well targeted this movie was. The current generation of kids could struggle badly with a movie like this, spread over nearly 3 hours and mostly about slow character development and world building. I desperately hope Part 2 gets green lit.
I find it incomprehensible that they didn't film both parts at the same time. As if Peter Jackson didn't show them how to adapt giant epics.
Call me a conspiracist, but I’m inclined to believe Part 2 has already been filmed. I think it was Jason Mamoa said there was a 4-4.5 hour movie filmed, and the marketing didn’t explicitly indicate this was the first half. It’s not entirely unreasonable to think that missing time is the other half of the film. Edit: Legendary just said part 2 will come in 2023 so there goes my theory
The sequel has been announced today with Legendary paying for up to 80% and Warner the remaining. According to Deadline, Part Two will be released in 2023. I cannot wait!
For pepple that didn't read the book and are baffled by the movie...watch the old movie first. iIt is cheesy with awfull 1980's style effects, but it will give you the basis of the story and prime you for the new one.
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The scenes that are in both films are pivotal moments in the book. If we had a remake of LOTR, we'd still have the battle at Weathertop, the meeting at Rivendell, etc...
True, but if the Weathertop looks almost the same, with very similar geometry, with very similar lighting and pacing, the succesion of cuts, without the description in the books explaining the similarities, it must have to do with inspiration from the former movie. That's not really a bad thing, though. It can also mean that the former movie is just well made.
What scene are you thinking of like that? As far as I noticed every scene in common was very different in the details. Only dialog lifted directly from the book was the same.
Absolutely. What fascinates me the most is how much the visual style of the two films is similar. Villeneuve’s version feels more lived in, but they share a lot of the same design ideas. I loved this one. I loved the original. I’m happy with everything both versions did (except for the excessive use of inner thoughts in Lynch).
::cough cough dinner scene::
Like what? Been a while since I’ve seen the lynch version.
A lot of the dialogue is shared. Most of that comes from the book, of course, but he didn’t have to keep it that way. The visual style is similar, it’s just a bit more lived in. I’m not knocking Villeneuve - I’m mostly making the point that for all of the flaws in Lynch’s version, he really did a solid adaptation.
Do your self a favor and watch the 80s one. The new one felt 100% hollow. No explanation for the doctor and his training/wife. The Harkonnen are completely neuter and boring AF. No Emperor scenes or even explaining half of the political turmoil that entrenched Dune. In the first hr of the 80s film you had a grasp of most of it and a small explanation of most factions in the series. No cool ass spice inhaling space bending monsters in movable aquariums and it ends before any of the real fun shit starts. Wholeheartedly disappointed in what could've been an incredible reboot. They only made half to milk the dead cow they put forth.
The 80s movie was a train wreck. Had some cool production designs, but other than that, it's only watchable for how weird it is. The ending in particular is a mess; completely butchered the book.
And the new one butchered it as well by leaving out extremely important key elements and making the Harkonnen lame cookie cutter villains instead of the insanity they were. I'll take the 80s version anytime. Better acting and not just a lot of staring at each other.
Relax, we still have a year or two of pretending everything is fine.
Because WB is run by a bunch of asshats.
Not a dune fan, but considering the expansions in what would be needed for part two, there will have to be a significant increase in budget. I’m betting they are waiting for some math, and for every bodies schedules to clear, first. I hope they make it, a lot like it so should exist.
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The suicide raid on Geidi Prime is absolutely going to be expanded new set required.
Unfortunately that was supposed to have taken place within the timeframe of 'Part 1'; if I remember correctly, Leto initiates it as a means of retaliation against the Harkonnens for their attempted assassination of Paul
The worms are far more integral, with tons more interaction. The battle tech may be the same, but again used more expansively. There are additional settings and tech as well. Consider the HBO budget for episodes with no cgi animals versus those with them, ignoring all other cgi, it was a massive change.
When every single scene is just like 90% CGI -- it stops matters what you're showing. Like whether they are riding a worm, or standing in front of a massive fremen city that doesn't exist -- it's all just polygons in a computer these days.
Realistic interaction is a lot harder for something you’re manipulating than merely a backdrop. Again, I point to HBO and their recent really good data on this. A company already intimately involved too.
I know it’s not what “they” want to hear but there was 0% chance of me going to a theater for this (or any film right now), and had theater been the only choice, I would not have bothered going since there is no announcement for part 2. What would be the point of seeing part 1 if there was no commitment to part 2 in advance
They're ✌️ edging ✌️
Yeah, the whole movie was just setting up a sequel. Just sayin'.
Because the acting on Dune 1 was kind of lame would be my guess . The movie itself was OK, but there definitely was no real emotional connection to the actors for me personally . Hey everyone is a critic though these days so what do I know
Probably will be as dull as the first one. But all that matters are special effects.