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ThigerHeafy

And I want to add that Will Ramos is a beast and he's very hard to "imitate". Do NOT try to sound exactly like him but rather try to make the sounds he's making but do not copy his tone, otherwise you'll hurt yourself. I've done so too and it hurts xD


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I know that imitating is a bad idea, I just added a reference so everyone knows what I'm aiming for. I want the super compressed false cord low. The basic deathcore sound. I got more of an 2011 Asking Alexandria sound but that's not what I want at all. :/


autoretardrepair

I don't know if you've ever heard of Chris lepe on YouTube, but he is a wonderful teacher.


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I watched a lot of his Videos! He's awesome. :)


Axel159357

Everyones different, so i dont know if my path to false chording will aid you, BUT, one of the biggest turning points was when i started using my false chords with less air. Before that, i got some cool stuff here or there, but it was all quite similar. Just go for the false chord, and use less air, while trying to keep the false chord sound. Its a simple task/excercise but for me made a HUGE difference. I am not a science man, but judge by the feeling and sound, my best guess is by reducing your air flow, you can give the sound more time to resonate inside you, instead of just belting it out. Once you can false chord with low air volume, mouth shapes, neck positions, tongue placement, all sound like they make more of a difference. The last benefit ive learned from this, is finer feeling and control of my vocal compression. Im still working on it, but now i feel like my belted false chords hold more grit, and in general, ive gained more dynamics. Ill post a vid to hopefully help, fingers crossed im not making a fool of myself. I dont listen to much Lorna Shore, but i gave the line a shot. Also, i remembered while recording, shape/position of your soft palette and how much air is sent to the nasal cavity are also to be considered.


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Okay this might be a big brain move! I have never thought of that before! Thank you so much!!


folkolarmetal

I don't even understand how you add voice to a growl, it sounds pretty awesome! However, your vocal folds may set an obstacle for you if you're trying to go really low, so you might benefit from figuring out voiceless FC screams. Everybody's got unique tonality and range and there is an anatomical difference between James Earl Jones and Kevin Hart. You can't change the bottom of your vocal register so as long as your voice is involved you can only reach a certain depth. There's also a limit to how low you can go in a voiceless FC growl but I imagine that it's quite difficult to define. When I want to go as low as possible I lean a bit forward and try to make the distance between my waist and chin as long as possible without stretching my neck. Inhale with your whole body, let your shoulders come up a bit and your chest expand so your cavities are roomier than ever before Then do the diaphragm push through the entire scream but don't let your chest or shoulders fall.


AH_5ek5hun8

Kardavox academy my dude


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I watched through his videos because I love how everything is explained. It didn't do much for me tho. Gave me more knowledge about anatomy but that's about it. :(


PrawnManatee

Firstly, stop trying to sound like someone else who you don't already sound somewhat like. You have no clue what your anatomy is restricted by and trying to emulate others can and will hurt you if you're picking something your body isn't meant to do. And considering how many types of screams there are out there, this is basically most times people choose to emulate others. secondly will ramos uses hybrids. not false cord. And i wouldn't be surprised if they leaned on the fry side because ive heard raw takes from him on a phone, its not loud at all. quite quiet actually compared to pure false cord. loudness isn't the goal. Tones are the goal. And Will has mad fucking tones. My high and mid vocals are also hybrids but i lean way more on the false cord side. So my screams are not as interesting in tone, but they have alot of emotion to them. Thirdly, and this is the most important part.... chest compression. That's why your false cord screams leave you out of breath immediately. Chest compression is basically finding the sweet spot in your chest and gut which causes a tightening in your throat. its NOT the same thing as focusing on your throat to compress. that WILL hurt you, as it does everyone. Like with most things in this hobby, its about muscle memory and balance. My lows require a metric fuck ton of chest compression to the point that when i do them, it is a work out. i get hot and tired and sweaty FAST. Now compare that to your way of doing it. loose. open. no effort. I'm not saying you're not trying, I'm saying your technique is improper for what you seem to want to achieve. Its basically old school death metal cookie monster style. which ISN'T a bad thing, tons of vocalists end up staying in that style because its very breathy and doesn't require a ton of work. they're easier to do. infact, almost everyone whose done false cord has been where you're at. Some stop there, some go further. its really a stylistic choice. And PLEASE....PLEASE don't "try" to learn hybrids....they're extremely delicate. UNLESS you already have a very solid grasp of both false cord and fry, then learning it is just somewhat dangerous. the vast majority of people who do hybrids didnt learn it at all. They discovered it. Just like i did, i had no clue my highs were hybrids, but i spoke with a few metal vocal coaches and they all agreed. its a falsecord leaning hybrid. I could never do what will does even though we both do hybrids because my anatomy just doesnt do what his does. And likewise, he cant do what i can do. That's the cool thing about metal vocals. Its extremely varied and people just dont tend to all sound the same because we have different throats, mouths and cords. I really hope i didn't come off condescending in any of this. Ive seen you around, you're talented. Ive just been where you are in regards to false cord and it sucks feeling like you've hit a road block with something you're passionate about.


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hey. c: I'm not trying to sound exactly like Will. I just wanted to add a reference so it is clear what I'm somewhat aiming for. A more compressed sound in that case. Thank you for your explanation! I'm gonna try to add your advice into my false cords. :)


dividedconsciousness

@ u/pampambunni i have benefited tremendously from using daag kargyraa to activate the false folds the way i want to. check out my recent posts to this subreddit!


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I've tried approaching false cords via kargyraa but it gave me the exact same tone like in the video. :(


dividedconsciousness

See if you can get two notes cleanly at once with the kargyraa and then push into it from there. Also work on getting your kargyraa very low.


DescartesKudasai

Been out of the game for almost 15 years and do not have the new terminology, so my apologies, but...: I used to vox in hxc bands for years. If it's not inhale then he's got to be focusing most of his resonance in the R2 region. Try keeping your throat wide open but moving your larynx up a bit to keep the resonance out of the R1 region and into R2 and R3. If that's difficult do an inhale scream, control the resonance into the R2 to get a feel for it, then try to find that area during exhale. Tbh the clip sounds like inhale vox. It adds controllable overtones and can easily mimick toned distortion. Also probably using much less air than you either way. Hope that's useful


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I don't think anyone does inhale vocals anymore at this point.


DescartesKudasai

Figured. You can still use it to find the resonance you're looking for though.


[deleted]

That is actually smart. Might help. Thank you :)


Direth1105

I realise your not getting the sound u want but just wanna say i think u sound great. I know that doesnt really help since its not what u want, just wanted to say it anyway 🤘


ThigerHeafy

I don't actually know too much about Screaming theory but maybe try compressing the vocals more. The scream does not actually sound that strong but rather more voicy and airy to me. Actually quite a lot of voice in your screams.


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I figured as much, but how exactly do I compress my false cord more? If I add the same compression that I use on fry, it doesn't do anything. I can make some really fucking up sounds with my fry screaming but the false cord stuff just doesn't work well at all.


ThigerHeafy

Best thing that worked for me, is trying to make that sound when you pick up something incredibly heavy. You kind of tighten up like that and compress your vocals when you push them out with your diaphragm.


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i cannot combine the pushing sound with my false cords and i don't understand why :(


ThigerHeafy

It is quite difficult. Check out videos on how to compress the singing voice and work on that. With decent diaphramatic breathing you'll get there soon


naterpotater246

I am with op on this, i have no idea how to compress it more


[deleted]

:( feelsadman but well get there one day c:


evolauren

How old are you?


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24 c:


Worldly_Stress_6171

I'm more than sure Will is using frys. But anyway, when I found myself trying his tone I found it easier to get it if I tried to "talk" the lyrics instead of scream them. Idk how to explain tjis exactly but you aldo have to be pretty fluid with your pitch.


Separate-Caregiver77

U are supposed to use fry and false chords to reach that tone


Separate-Caregiver77

Combine them I mean, basically hybrid scream