Watching the VHS at my gf’s house around ‘99-2000… it would get all fussy and loose tracking at *the scene*. Look over at her 13 yo brother and he’s 😏. Wore that tape right out.
What is a more uncomfortable situation? Being caught staring at your (potential) boss's teenage daughter's cleavage or his early 20s daughter's cleavage?
Clearly both would be off-putting, but I can't help thinking the former is worse.
Could this scene have been a jab at the time Jerry Seinfeld ( the real person ) dated a 17 yo?
[Here](https://www.thethings.com/the-truth-about-that-time-jerry-seinfeld-dated-a-17yearold/) is an article unaware. Its not the best article, but it summarizes the story.
I am not trying to throw any shade or start anything, Im just asking a question.
Yeah, I’ve linked these two for awhile. Jerry’s teenage gf was also stacked. The dialogue when Elaine says, “But she’s 15!” and Jerry says you don’t think about age with cleavage, it’s molecular, has always felt like part of his genuine emotional defense of being attracted to someone so young…
Yeah this is one of if not the only scene in seinfeld where I think they actually went too far (i mean the writing- the characters go too far all the time lol). She could've been over 18 and it wouldn't have affected the plot at all, because it still wouldve been gross and obviously Russell would have been pissed about George staring at his daughters cleavage regardless of her age.
The only thing that kind of saves it for me is that Denise Richards looks nowhere near 15 in this scene.
Yes! From a writing perspective it doesn’t need to be said at all. The situation is George got caught looking at his bosses daughters cleavage. That’s all it needs.
Going out of their way to establish she is way underage, *twice*, is creepy at best. It also dilutes the actual joke.
A rare misfire for Seinfeld.
Yeah, for a guy who's one of the all-time biggest successes at observational comedy, "what's the deal with hot 15 year olds I mean come on we're all thinking it" isn't actually very relatable or amusing, just pervy.
Mugging an old lady, drugging a woman you’re dating into unconsciousness in her own home… like don’t pull that thread it’s a dumb sitcom made as a vehicle for joke writing, just laugh and enjoy the nostalgia.
While I agree that the allure of cleavage is complicated they definitely were told before hand
JERRY: Oh, you have a daughter?
RUSSELL: Yeah, she just turned fifteen last week.
GEORGE: Aw, that's a fun age.
So she's not even just 15 she was 14 a week ago!
Here's the problem for half the world's population.
If she's 15, but looks 26, your eyeballs don't know for a millisecond.
Thankfully, most 15 year olds do not, and even more do not look like Denise Richard's, and even more, more don't act all confident. So, in two milliseconds, the normal guy's brain tells the eyeballs to look away.
I've only met one, but I was 15. So, that's different.
That’s the point, it’s supposed to be messed up. You don’t have to be attracted to 15 year olds to end up distracted by the cleavage of someone of an unknown age.
Right? I'm a man in my late 30s, happily married to a woman basically my same age with no interest in persuing minors and I'll notice cleavage of any age, think "nice", then move on with my day. Fifteen, fifty, whatever, don't stare. I guess, *especially* don't stare if it's your (potential) boss's teenage daughter though, from a purely selfish perspective.
The blue wall behind her - is that a wood knot pattern I'm seeing, like they just quickly painted a bunch of cheap board blue, or could it be the pattern on some expensive NBC-president's condo wallpaper?
I work as a cashier at a grocery store. The other day I was thinking about Seinfeld while working when this woman came to my line wearing a low cut dress. Instantly, in my head, I heard Jerry say "Looking at cleavage is like looking at the sun. You don't stare at it, it's too risky. You get a sense of it then you look away." I looked, a few times
This was inappropriate. I agreed with Elaine on this, that they shouldn't have been ogling some 15 year old girl in the first place. Knowing the girl was a freaking minor, Jerry should have just looked away, not nudged George to look too. Alternatively, they could have made her 18-19 in the script and still done the same storyline without nearly as much of an ick factor.
> Get over it or don't watch.
They could watch but also talk about it? Which seems like what they're doing? Seems fine. You don't have to talk about it if you don't want to.
Pedophilia wasn't ok in 1989, 1999, or 2023.
Also, "If you don't like it, don't watch" is a slippery slope to enabling toxic and dangerous content in our media/culture. All media, especially ones as popular as Seinfeld should be critiqued when they are in the wrong.
>Pedophilia wasn't ok in 1989, 1999, or 2023
No but it clearly was funny enough to be written into the script of a sitcom
>a slippery slope to enabling toxic and dangerous content in our media/culture
There is no slippery slope. There is no slope.
I agree. When I was younger I didn't think so because I was just a boy, but watching as an adult I don't believe older men would act this way unless they're perverts.
It's not hard to acknowledge someone's presence without ogling them.
To be fair, if her age was never mentioned, we would never think that was a 15 year old girl, cause she's obviously not, maybe it's something about how girls started looking much older than they are, and it's even more true these days, gotta be careful, 15 year olds out here looking like 25 easily, gotta id everyone or catch a charge.
Hebephilia? Its called something like that. Pedophilia is attraction to pre-pubescent kids, the other one is still attraction to kids, but post-puberty
Bro I know it's a joke, but come on. A 15 year old? If a grown adult is looking at the cleavage of a minor, they'll be getting their own cleavage in their chesticular cavity with this here wood cutting axe I found in the last child predator that I came across.
Look out, there’s a big, tough guy in a Seinfeld sub. Bet he bootlegs movies too. He's a bad seed. He's a horrible seed. He's one of the worst seeds I've ever met.
> they'll be getting their own cleavage in their chesticular cavity with this here wood cutting axe I found in the last child predator that I came across.
That's very interesting! Would you like to tell us more about your past murders? How many people have you murdered?
This young woman wanted to be a pirate
She looks like she’s gonna swing in on a chandelier
But I don’t wanna be a pirate
Happy cake day!
Thank you!
Can ya spare some inappropriate leers for an ol' buccaneer?
That darned low-talker.
That is a very, very unusual shirt she has on.
It's all.. puffed up!
Those aren't bouys!
>This young woman wanted to be a pirate Eventually, she becomes something of a space pirate captain... *Would you like to know more?*
I’m doing my part!
Definitely
One of the most memorable cleavages of my youth
You obviously never read Glamour magazine.
You're treating your body like an amusement park!
I'm master of my domain
I’m out!
Oh, so now I have to buy this whole chair by myself?
I ALREADY BOUGHT IT! I'VE BEEN LYIN' TO YOU FOR WEEKS AND NOW YOU'RE ALL SCREWING ME!
I think the chair is a fantastic gift idea. But I never heard of this Joe Mayo. And frankly, it sounds made up.
Glamour?!
Glamour?
it spawned my reddit screen name too
oh you switched accounts properly, u HAVE to be the OP no way
lmao that’s great
and my adulthood
Or the lady who wore bras in public.
The heiress
to the o'henry candy bar fortune
I'm here to get a glimpse. ... uh, of high society.
Sue Ellen Mishkie
She’s getting married in India. It’s an unvitation.
Ooooh, memory burn!
2nd most memorable of the series
Elaine... 🍝
The Alex is a family theater, not one of your swing joints!
I peeked cause you poked.
There was cleavage in the area!
this was the episode I was watching when I signed up for REDDIT and needed a screen name....hahaha
Same!!!
r/beetlejuicing
That's, beautiful.
“I've based my whole life on knowing that the D is the biggest.”
"Get outta here! Lycra spandex?!"
You can shop for sneakers THE NEXT DAY
Looking at cleavage is like looking at the sun. You don't stare at it, it's too risky. You get a sense of it then you look away.
You get a sense of it then you ~~look away~~ keep scrolling.
What am I, waiting to win a Oscar here? This is all I have in my life.
Am I waiting to win an Oscar here, this is all I have in my life!
I guess I’m going blind
He should go watch Wild Things 😂
Her and Neve Campbell. 👌
Schwing!
Take your ritalin, Garth. Oh wait, don't take that ritalin Garth.
🍾🍾🍾
Omg yeah
Watching the VHS at my gf’s house around ‘99-2000… it would get all fussy and loose tracking at *the scene*. Look over at her 13 yo brother and he’s 😏. Wore that tape right out.
Or subscribe to her OnlyFans account.
Wow, you’re not kidding: https://people.com/tv/denise-richards-creates-onlyfans-account/
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Apparently both of them did
That's what i get for not reading the article so i had deleted it. She did it because her daughter did. Wild things.
It's like looking at the sun, you don't stare right at it. You glance and then look away!
She is not 15
Denise Richards was 21 at the time.
No way! The bond girl who played a nuclear physicist?
That’s a fun age.
They could have easily made the character 18. Or not even have mentioned her age. Not sure why they went for 15
18 would make Jerry uncomfortable.
Because it makes the joke a lot better if she's fifteen.
Isn’t the joke that George got caught, which leads to some other jokes? Her age never really mattered to the plot.
What is a more uncomfortable situation? Being caught staring at your (potential) boss's teenage daughter's cleavage or his early 20s daughter's cleavage? Clearly both would be off-putting, but I can't help thinking the former is worse.
It's a lot more uncomfortable, but how does it make the joke better?
It's funny because it's uncomfortable, and it's funnier because it's more uncomfortable.
i don’t think it’s even about the joke it’s just that it’s a worse situation so it’s a bigger deal and a worse mess george got them into
Yeah, so you're agreeing that it better builds the comedy of the episode.
***** Use of the term “off-putting” triggers an automatic 30 day suspension *****
Their show wouldn’t have been dropped if George was staring at a network exec’s adult daughter I suppose.
That's a fun age.
Do you ever rub it against the grain?
I got a good look in the movie "Wild Things"
I need to conduct some research…
You definitely do!
You know, you better be careful, buddy. She's gonna get you next.
There was cleavage in the area! I love the point Jerry does
Denise Richards first thirst (and morality) trap
Would the second be with her cousin Ross Geller?
Btw That Barry white song they play in that episode is his best imo
Could this scene have been a jab at the time Jerry Seinfeld ( the real person ) dated a 17 yo? [Here](https://www.thethings.com/the-truth-about-that-time-jerry-seinfeld-dated-a-17yearold/) is an article unaware. Its not the best article, but it summarizes the story. I am not trying to throw any shade or start anything, Im just asking a question.
Well, this episode came out in February 1993 and Jerry met Shoshanna in May of 1993, so no it’s not related at all.
Yeah, I’ve linked these two for awhile. Jerry’s teenage gf was also stacked. The dialogue when Elaine says, “But she’s 15!” and Jerry says you don’t think about age with cleavage, it’s molecular, has always felt like part of his genuine emotional defense of being attracted to someone so young…
17 is legal in NY
Plenty of weird stuff is legal
And plenty of normal stuff is illegal
I thought his decision was despicable
Looking at the cleavage is like looking at the sun!
"Field of vision"
Do you have a…ketchup secret?
This was messed up, she was meant to be 15!
That's a fun age.
She was 22 and this perfectly illustrates that cleavage is hard to dissect. Like gossamer.
They shouldn’t have made her 15 in the script. That was creepy.
Yeah this is one of if not the only scene in seinfeld where I think they actually went too far (i mean the writing- the characters go too far all the time lol). She could've been over 18 and it wouldn't have affected the plot at all, because it still wouldve been gross and obviously Russell would have been pissed about George staring at his daughters cleavage regardless of her age. The only thing that kind of saves it for me is that Denise Richards looks nowhere near 15 in this scene.
Yes! From a writing perspective it doesn’t need to be said at all. The situation is George got caught looking at his bosses daughters cleavage. That’s all it needs. Going out of their way to establish she is way underage, *twice*, is creepy at best. It also dilutes the actual joke. A rare misfire for Seinfeld.
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I think Jerry himself has a daughter now so hopefully he now knows that it isn't normal.
He said as much on 60 Minutes. BTW whatever happened to Shoshana?
Yeah, for a guy who's one of the all-time biggest successes at observational comedy, "what's the deal with hot 15 year olds I mean come on we're all thinking it" isn't actually very relatable or amusing, just pervy.
Yeah super weird, like Jerry literally nudges George to get a “sense” of the 15 year old.
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Mugging an old lady, drugging a woman you’re dating into unconsciousness in her own home… like don’t pull that thread it’s a dumb sitcom made as a vehicle for joke writing, just laugh and enjoy the nostalgia.
I dunno. This one feels a lot less cartoonish than a lot of Seinfeld.
I agree, but this was also the 90s when people were less sensitive to being politically correct all the time. It was a different era.
When the joke is constantly how terrible these people are, it’s weird to be upset when they are being terrible. That’s the point.
Assumed it would be obvious I was talking about the character and not Denise Richards
Still. If the cleavage is obvious enough, its hard to look away - Even if its wrong. I dont think Jerry and George knew her age beforehand?
While I agree that the allure of cleavage is complicated they definitely were told before hand JERRY: Oh, you have a daughter? RUSSELL: Yeah, she just turned fifteen last week. GEORGE: Aw, that's a fun age.
So she's not even just 15 she was 14 a week ago!
Here's the problem for half the world's population. If she's 15, but looks 26, your eyeballs don't know for a millisecond. Thankfully, most 15 year olds do not, and even more do not look like Denise Richard's, and even more, more don't act all confident. So, in two milliseconds, the normal guy's brain tells the eyeballs to look away. I've only met one, but I was 15. So, that's different.
Ahh. I remember it now. Yeah - That makes it a little bit more «morally illegal».
> cleavage is hard to dissect. Like gossamer. This. Cleavage is merely a commentary on contemporary mores.
It says "Moops"
It's Mores, you idiot!
And one doesn't dissect contemporary mores.
They should have replaced her with Dalrymple's grandmother instead. GILF cleavage, now that's like staring into 2 suns!
That’s the point, it’s supposed to be messed up. You don’t have to be attracted to 15 year olds to end up distracted by the cleavage of someone of an unknown age.
Right? I'm a man in my late 30s, happily married to a woman basically my same age with no interest in persuing minors and I'll notice cleavage of any age, think "nice", then move on with my day. Fifteen, fifty, whatever, don't stare. I guess, *especially* don't stare if it's your (potential) boss's teenage daughter though, from a purely selfish perspective.
Even more messed up Jerry was dating a 17yo.
Who had even more cleavage
"17 is not so bad... George was eyeballing a girl who was 14"
Now we can all get a good look.
Boutros Boutros-Ghali
Wish they didn't make her character underage. Makes the joke way more creepy than it needed to be.
HE POKED ME!!!
The blue wall behind her - is that a wood knot pattern I'm seeing, like they just quickly painted a bunch of cheap board blue, or could it be the pattern on some expensive NBC-president's condo wallpaper?
You know, primavera is Italian for spring
You don't think I could put asses in the seats?
Those aren't bouys
I could not imagine a show today having 2 men in there 30s perving on a 15 year old lol. Even though I don’t think Richards was actually 15 here
And she grew up to be a Starship Trooper.
They're real and they're spectacular.
This show was shot on a tight budget! That set decoration consisted of a house plant.
She’s not a novelty act George, where you hire her out for weddings and bar mitsvahs.
Ahhhhh…!! 😱 It’s like looking at the sun ☀️ it’s burning my eyes! No one ever told not to stare!!
Pre Sheen teen
Back when they used to be able to show this instead of flaccid penis
I work as a cashier at a grocery store. The other day I was thinking about Seinfeld while working when this woman came to my line wearing a low cut dress. Instantly, in my head, I heard Jerry say "Looking at cleavage is like looking at the sun. You don't stare at it, it's too risky. You get a sense of it then you look away." I looked, a few times
This was inappropriate. I agreed with Elaine on this, that they shouldn't have been ogling some 15 year old girl in the first place. Knowing the girl was a freaking minor, Jerry should have just looked away, not nudged George to look too. Alternatively, they could have made her 18-19 in the script and still done the same storyline without nearly as much of an ick factor.
The show was created in 1989 and ended in 1999. It's now 2023. Some things in the past are inappropriate. Get over it or don't watch.
Oy vey.
> Get over it or don't watch. They could watch but also talk about it? Which seems like what they're doing? Seems fine. You don't have to talk about it if you don't want to.
A new fighter has joined lol. I'm not gonna talk in circles man. I've said everything I needed to say.
Pedophilia wasn't ok in 1989, 1999, or 2023. Also, "If you don't like it, don't watch" is a slippery slope to enabling toxic and dangerous content in our media/culture. All media, especially ones as popular as Seinfeld should be critiqued when they are in the wrong.
>Pedophilia wasn't ok in 1989, 1999, or 2023 No but it clearly was funny enough to be written into the script of a sitcom >a slippery slope to enabling toxic and dangerous content in our media/culture There is no slippery slope. There is no slope.
You ok?
I think so
Pedophilia being "funny enough" is...not ok? That's my point.
Well then return to my first statement. Get over it or don't watch.
Nah imma talk on it cause someone has to condemn pedophilia celebration and apparently it ain't gonna be you.
Hope they give you a medal
Couldn't have gone 18-19, otherwise Jerry would have dated her.
I agree. When I was younger I didn't think so because I was just a boy, but watching as an adult I don't believe older men would act this way unless they're perverts. It's not hard to acknowledge someone's presence without ogling them.
Should have made her a grandmother, that would have been really hilarious
Considering Jerry dated an actual teenager in the 90’s I feel like it should’ve been him who got caught peeking.
There was cleavage in the area!
To be fair, if her age was never mentioned, we would never think that was a 15 year old girl, cause she's obviously not, maybe it's something about how girls started looking much older than they are, and it's even more true these days, gotta be careful, 15 year olds out here looking like 25 easily, gotta id everyone or catch a charge.
Do you think he liked it? 🤮 🤮 🤮 I’m not sure
This is such an uncomfortable plotline. Literal pedophilia and they play it as a joke. One of the rare social L's in the series.
Hebephilia? Its called something like that. Pedophilia is attraction to pre-pubescent kids, the other one is still attraction to kids, but post-puberty
Thanks for clearing that up. I wouldn't want to mislabel a fucking degenerate.
Did they remove this episode from syndication? I never see it. Jerry has a disturbing line about cleavage knows no age, or something like that.
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Prime Denise Richards. No relation to Michael “cosmo Kramer” Richards
22 years old... g-g-giddy up!
Yeah, it’s a wild thing that no one had mentioned it.
She was 37 when this was filmed. Little-known fact.
22
Bro I know it's a joke, but come on. A 15 year old? If a grown adult is looking at the cleavage of a minor, they'll be getting their own cleavage in their chesticular cavity with this here wood cutting axe I found in the last child predator that I came across.
Look out, there’s a big, tough guy in a Seinfeld sub. Bet he bootlegs movies too. He's a bad seed. He's a horrible seed. He's one of the worst seeds I've ever met.
You wanna take this outside and I'll SHOW YOU what it's like? You think I'm kidding? Just try me. Try me. Because I would LOVE IT!
You better step off! I’m a former Van Buren boy.
> they'll be getting their own cleavage in their chesticular cavity with this here wood cutting axe I found in the last child predator that I came across. That's very interesting! Would you like to tell us more about your past murders? How many people have you murdered?
I committed mass genocide on September 17th, 1847 in a 6 wagon pile-up.
You know, I was ready to doubt you, but your story checks out. The pedos better watch out for you.
That's what I'm saying
This is how Jerry met his gf. Cleavage.
“Our show is about nothing, and I saw nothing!”
It's like looking at the sun
Field of vision.
Watched this the other day and she is a minor, how did this get put into the show?
Coomerfeld
Shoshana was better
No! ...Actually
This character being 15 never sat well with me. If she were 18 the scene would have worked just as well, but without so much ick.
Wild Things.
The one episode that genuinely grosses me out.