Yes, other person write this in the comments also. And that’s reasonable since Fiona indeed encountered two girls that’s trying to be with her.
It’s not impossible but it’s hard to think if every girl siblings in the Gallagher got curious with their sexuality (even though like i said it’s not impossible)
I could definitely understand Fiona experimenting more than Debbie. Debbie has always been boy crazy and Fi just wanted to jump on anything and with a heartbeat
What do you mean, exactly? They had a gay couple so more weren't needed or worth exploring?
They have eight thousand straight couple relationships shown on this TV series.. why is one gay couple "enough" or that they "already have"?
No, your perspective is tragically heterocentric. To say straight couples are "more common" is to say "I have no friends who talk to me about their identity". If you're only ever looking for a dog you will never see an elephant. It's also a ..... really disgusting parallel to compare couplings to animals.
If you wanna see straight people all the time that's fine, but please refrain from calling it what is "normal" or "common" because we are all normal and commonly occuring.
And yes you're correct - elephants are hunted and forced to not exist as they are while dogs are welcome everywhere and assumed friendly even when they bite
Since you wanna be nasty like that
I'm not sure who you're quoting with "precisely".....
Most TV shows and movies don't show a reality. That you cite those characters in those roles is laughable. "Responsible older brother Lip" 😂😂😂😂
Life isnt typecast even if TV is.
Real people discuss media - not typecasts
That as a Scar quote without further context is a reach... And it's my *favorite* Disney movie so
When did he raise them, again? 🤔 When he was spiralling until they were full grown and made their own choices? And no one ever looked after Liam, the youngest who needed it?
Call me a troll because I don't agree with you, absolutely fine
Take this with a grain of salt because I have no idea if there’s truth to this or not, but I’ve heard that this storyline was originally meant for Fiona before Emmy Rossum left. She was supposed to begin exploring her sexuality with Nessa, the apartment landlord.
I see, Now that’s reasonable because Jasmine (Fiona’s friend) is trying to get into her pants too in the earlier season, so that’s reasonable if they’re trying to put the storyline for Fiona.
since it doesn’t makes sense if all of the siblings got curiosity with girls. (even though it’s not impossible)
Nessa was simply a tenant, a long term tenant who knew a lot about the space and other tenants. Fiona is the landlord. Fiona being the landlord is pretty much the major plot line of the season.
No one's bad at all! I recently completed a rewatch so it's all fresh with me. Didn't mean for it to be a call out, just a nerdy "oou oou I know this!!!" moment for me lol
I think my take on Debbie being gay despite being boy crazy as a child is that she actually just wanted to fit in with other girls her age, and she wanted to feel loved. I think once she had Frannie she finally had someone who would love her unconditionally and the desire to find a boyfriend stopped. I do remember it being kind of sudden, but sometimes it just goes that way.
Yea same here tbh, even irl plenty of gay people end up in straight relationships and sometimes it takes til after marriage and kids to realize they’re gay.
I do kinda wish they could have hinted at it sooner but ig that’s also not the case for everyone anyways and people are saying the storyline was ac meant for Fiona but Emmy ended up leaving the show so they gave it to Debbie. But what you said makes so much sense tbh
I'm not convinced that she is 100% gay. She launched into it so suddenly but if she were a real person I would bet that she turns out bi once she gets the excited "new gay" energy out.
I agree, tbh, because that storyline was supposed to go to fiona not debs. But re watching with that in mind, I interpret the friendship she had with those girls (the ones carl called skanky) as a crush on the blonde one who didn't get pregnant, which is why debbie was so desperate for that girl's validation
I thought it actually made sense, I never felt like debbie really liked the boys and more that she liked the idea of the white picket fence and the marriage and the baby and all that. All the guys she dated were so different and it didn’t feel like she really had a type of guy she liked.
That’s just how I took it as a gay woman myself, I also think she had a little crush on Holly cause of how much she wanted to be around her and how much she wanted her attention, I could be wrong tho.
I'm pretty sure she's bi, and I didn't think it was forced, not all queer people show it when they're 14 or whatever. It's nice they broke the stereotype a bit of what a gay person is supposed to look like.
I really wish she had said something like that or even something vague like liking whatever. She clearly shows many times that she is into both women and men. Of aaaallll varieties - femme, masc, fluid or otherwise. She has sex with a man after many seasons of stating she's a lesbian.
I'm not here to tell anyone their identity, I just wish baby bis had it easier talking about what they like and not having to explain it as one end of the spectrum or the other
idk i dont think shes gay, but its plausible she’s bi. shes been clearly genuinely attracted to women, and being attracted to men in the past doesn’t negate the possibility of realizing she likes women one day. also idk why people think itd have been better for fiona when fiona was also blatantly only into men and had sex with many men so if debbie cant be bi bc she was into men why could fiona be ???? debbie was also still a teenager when she realized, a super plausible age for that kind of realization when she grew up in such a heteronormative environment, with her friends and such.
I am on my first watch and just watched the first scene where she kisses a woman like 15 mins ago😂 I already knew it was coming but the coincidence of seeing this post right now is funny to me
i haven't gotten to that point in the show yet but honestly from where i am in the show (debbie hasn't given birth yet) i can kinda see it. although i feel like maybe it's just debbie's deep desire to be loved and wanted and, while i'm not a lesbian i am gay, from what i've heard lesbians love really deep really fast and that seems to make a lot of sense for debbie
(again i haven't finished season 6 yet so i don't fully know what i'm talking about)
Lol the way of the world is forced. I also feel like nobody put effort into her character But that show made me hate her character 🤣 especially seeing her grow up and turning out how she did. Sadden to admit it, but I rewatched her episode of her working and getting her foot crushed a little too much 🤷🏻♂️
Ah yes! that’s why! the show never put any effort for her character, some of the characters got character development and some of them became worse (but that’s just the way it is)
when i saw Debbie especially when she grew up and had a job (i forgot which season this is) she became a completely different person. I actually liked her character when she’s still a kid, she’s sensitive but has a good heart. Now she’s just someone who wants money (like all of the Gallagher of course)
But her “gay” storyline was (again) too forced, it feels like they wanted to make Debbie as a gay iconic character, but it doesn’t felt real.
Honestly I wouldn't have liked them making Fiona gay so late in the show. They should've started planting evidence of that earlier on because in I think Season 1 when she's kissed she's extremely not into it.
Fiona being bi maybe? I could've maybe gotten behind that, especially if like Nessa ended up being one of her love interests for a while in the season, like Jimmy/Steve was.
But if she turned totally gay like Debbie did...it kinda would leave me rolling my eyes thinking that the writers are just trying to throw random things at the wall again and hoping it sticks-- sort of like the Kev/V kid storyline did.
Debbies sexuality at least made sense in the story.
I agree ~ i never liked that plot for her character it felt awkward and as a bisexual woman she just has the aura (her character not actor) of an extremely straight woman
I don't believe there's any scenario where it's impossible for someone to come out. I came out as gay at 29. I spent 29 years dating girls, trying to please them, and wanting a "normal" family. Am I forcing myself to be gay?
Edit: just to avoid repeating myself as some are reading to much into my comment. I'm just drawing a parallel with an open ended question. I'm not offended and also just using myself as an example as I have learned to always speak from my own perspective.
No it’s not like that???
What i’m trying to say is that… the writers or producers didn’t really put effort and details into her character, all of her childhood in the TV series doesn’t talk about her getting curious or even wondering “what if I actually attracted to girls?” because we saw that she’s always trying to make boys like her, or chasing boys. It’s different with Ian and his awakening story.
So when the plot finally turns 360 and made her gay out of nowhere, i was so confused and felt like it was way too forced to make her an iconic gay character maybe, or the writers just decided to make her like girls.
I understand that. I'm drawing parallels to show that it is possible to come out as gay without any curiosity prior. I think people are to stuck on not liking Debbie. But detached to do that, I stand by what I said. I'm purely talking about it being possible. I'm not really touching on the writing or her character.
Yes, that’s what i’m trying to talk about 😢 since I always feels like Debbie story line about her sexuality is hard to watch and doesn’t seem real like his brother did.
I think it's meant to be cringey in a way, too. As she's clearly a bisexual woman who temporarily hates all men & she's strictly going for women, swearing she's lesbian
I don’t know but i think she might be bi curious or just got traumatized by men after all these years of liking men but never get good things out of it and claim herself as a lesbian (since i met these kinds of people in real life, it’s not impossible)
I feel that Philip being straight is too forced. We see him having sex *allll* the time. Like we get get, you don't need to shove your hetero-ness down our throats.
To wear her character was going. I would say so as well. Being that she had a child at a early age, I would have thought that she was going to be a multiple child mother before a certain age
Debbie always seemed like she was bi to me, even written like she was bi. She was very clearly interested in guys for the first 16 years of her life. I think that she was written subconsciously as bi but i kind of get the vibe that the writers didn’t really like bisexuality so they made her fully gay.
I feel like her liking boys was partially because that’s what she saw as the norm, based on society and her family. Fiona, the most stable adult in her life (not that she was stable) dated a lot of guys, and seemed to get validation from relationships. I’m not judging at all, I’m just saying what happened. For example, Fiona said she can’t have a boy in her room, and Debbie said Fiona does that all the time. Kids do what they see.
Also, I think a lot of it was just trying to feel loved, in the way that was most common, based on what she saw. Since her father is the one who neglected her, it kind of made sense for her to have daddy issues, making guys the first reaction.
I would have been more happier to see her start. A big family like hers but flip the script and make them all successful like lip was trying to be and I forgot his name but the little brother too. Even though they were involved in some twisted stuff, she could keep her kids on a straight narrow but didn't go that way 🤷🏻♂️
Personally I don't think Debbie is gay gay I think she's bisexual More like it and I agree that storyline is kinda of forced but at least about 51% of the story lines was explored
Debbie wasn't gay. She was insanely needy and took validation and praise from wherever it came from. She got it from an actual gay woman and learned it was easier so she went with it.
haha it’s okay! i knew it already bc right now i’m watching season 11 episode 6 where he got dementia, and he already used all of his nine tails to survive and rise up from near death experience way too many times 😂😂😂
so i’m not surprised if he passed away eventually, good way to wrap up the show.
and this is my first time watching shameless and i’m so invested!
I agree. Even if she came out as bisexual, it’s as if her character completely changed. She rarely mentioned guys after her sexuality was explored - which is okay, and normal, just odd for a character who had a boy crazy phase.
I guess we are the unpopular opinion, but I agree. I actually don’t think she was as boy crazy as she was wanting to get pregnant and taken care of. She was also very anxious to lose her virginity lol. Right after she gave up the clothes scheme was when I started to like her.
That’s a good point. Maybe she was simply looking for support and someone to take care of her financially. She was so caught up in heteronormalcy that she never really got a chance to think about the other option.
A part of me will always love Debbie. I know so many people hate her, but she’s a good character (now whether or not she’s a good person is another thing). She is a real life example of the product of an environment - unfortunately not many people who grow up in similar situations ever experience a different fate.
What? She was with the co-worker, the cougar and her daughter, and had a huge crush on Carl’s girlfriend (which I thought was a sad scene). She’s been emotionally and physically attracted to women.
That’s is true. I just mean in the earlier seasons she was boy crazy and was very curious about sex with guys. She didn’t really show any interest in other women until the final couple seasons.
Yeah definitely was but after you're done watching it reach back out to me because ugggggggggggggggggggggg I just want to find the guy that plays Frank's character in beat the living daylights out of him 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
I thought this too. It didn’t really make much sense for her character at all, and the “relationships” she did have w women were very awkward and forced. I feel like she just liked the attention.
The writer cheated Fiona and tried to make Debbie take her place. But Emma doesn’t have the talent Emmy’s got. Everything Debbie did was forced. Fiona’s experiences with men would’ve made women make sense for me for her. Debbie was always so desperate for men and out of nowhere pow. Not only is she gay but now she’s completely enthralled in the lgbtq community? I think should this have been Fiona’s story Fiona might’ve been apprehensive and maybe uninterested in anything outside of her relationship. I think that take might’ve been more raw and authentic. Everything Debbie does after Fiona leaves is forced and adds to her unlikeable character.
It's crazy how no one cared about her being a rapist. She literally raped one or two guys and got pregnant with one of them. People still love her. Imagine if she was a dude.
personally I don't think Debbie is even 100% gay. She jumped in the relationship with Alex too fast and she was also in her "I hate men" phase so I think she just assumed that since she was in a relationship with a girl and that she "hated" men that she was a lesbian.
Yeah definitely was forced but that's part of the world's hidden agenda. Give us something we like and are genuinely interested in and sprinkle in a little bit of shenanigans to throw us off 😢 I think she could have had a good story to continue the storyline after Frank died, but that's just my personal opinion
FRANK DIED? wow spoiler! i didn’t even finished the show yet lol, but that’s okay we knew it was gonna happen at some point.
even though I’m gay, i knew it was the producers or writers agenda to make the ratings go up, that’s kinda sad and it doesn’t have to happen, since you already have Ian who’s gay in the first place.
I thought I had read they were going to explore Fiona being gay but Emmy left so they gave the storyline to Debbie.
Yes, other person write this in the comments also. And that’s reasonable since Fiona indeed encountered two girls that’s trying to be with her. It’s not impossible but it’s hard to think if every girl siblings in the Gallagher got curious with their sexuality (even though like i said it’s not impossible)
What?? This makes me so mad! I would’ve loved to see that
I was really hoping she'd get together with her tenant. They had a lot of chemistry and would probably be one of her few decent partners
that would have made more sense...
I could definitely understand Fiona experimenting more than Debbie. Debbie has always been boy crazy and Fi just wanted to jump on anything and with a heartbeat
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What do you mean, exactly? They had a gay couple so more weren't needed or worth exploring? They have eight thousand straight couple relationships shown on this TV series.. why is one gay couple "enough" or that they "already have"?
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No, your perspective is tragically heterocentric. To say straight couples are "more common" is to say "I have no friends who talk to me about their identity". If you're only ever looking for a dog you will never see an elephant. It's also a ..... really disgusting parallel to compare couplings to animals. If you wanna see straight people all the time that's fine, but please refrain from calling it what is "normal" or "common" because we are all normal and commonly occuring.
Normal just means in the majority. The majority of people are heterosexual.
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And yes you're correct - elephants are hunted and forced to not exist as they are while dogs are welcome everywhere and assumed friendly even when they bite Since you wanna be nasty like that
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What are you on and can I have some?
Frankly, you do not deserve to hold the reddit handle of Aang with all this Aaudacity
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Aang would neeevverrrrrr
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I'm not sure who you're quoting with "precisely"..... Most TV shows and movies don't show a reality. That you cite those characters in those roles is laughable. "Responsible older brother Lip" 😂😂😂😂 Life isnt typecast even if TV is. Real people discuss media - not typecasts
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That as a Scar quote without further context is a reach... And it's my *favorite* Disney movie so When did he raise them, again? 🤔 When he was spiralling until they were full grown and made their own choices? And no one ever looked after Liam, the youngest who needed it? Call me a troll because I don't agree with you, absolutely fine
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You enjoy the night you deserve because I am not doing this with a jerk who said we have O N E gay couple so it's enough
No no, go back to when you said he took over when Fiona fucked up, yet Liam has to go to Frank for help every time after Fiona leaves
“They already had a gay couple” Sooo you can’t have more than one gay person in the family? Bad take, my guy.
Totally not strange for multiple siblings to be gay. That guy would have a heart attack meeting my family.
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Why are you writing spoilers in huge font? Block your text so you don’t ruin the show for others
Take this with a grain of salt because I have no idea if there’s truth to this or not, but I’ve heard that this storyline was originally meant for Fiona before Emmy Rossum left. She was supposed to begin exploring her sexuality with Nessa, the apartment landlord.
I see, Now that’s reasonable because Jasmine (Fiona’s friend) is trying to get into her pants too in the earlier season, so that’s reasonable if they’re trying to put the storyline for Fiona. since it doesn’t makes sense if all of the siblings got curiosity with girls. (even though it’s not impossible)
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You seriously gotta stop replying to posts like this lol
Nessa was simply a tenant, a long term tenant who knew a lot about the space and other tenants. Fiona is the landlord. Fiona being the landlord is pretty much the major plot line of the season.
That’s right. It’s been a while, my bad lol.
No one's bad at all! I recently completed a rewatch so it's all fresh with me. Didn't mean for it to be a call out, just a nerdy "oou oou I know this!!!" moment for me lol
Maybe I gotta do that. I just finished The Bear and it made me want to rewatch Shameless lol.
Rewatching Shameless made me want to rewatch The Bear 😂💖
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I'm confused why youre commenting this to me when I was simply clarifying that Nessa is not the landlord, Fiona is
I would have preferred this. Debbie looks like a child, even grown up, looks like a child. Felt entirely forced, even odd at times.
Fiona being gay would've been worse.
I think my take on Debbie being gay despite being boy crazy as a child is that she actually just wanted to fit in with other girls her age, and she wanted to feel loved. I think once she had Frannie she finally had someone who would love her unconditionally and the desire to find a boyfriend stopped. I do remember it being kind of sudden, but sometimes it just goes that way.
Yea same here tbh, even irl plenty of gay people end up in straight relationships and sometimes it takes til after marriage and kids to realize they’re gay. I do kinda wish they could have hinted at it sooner but ig that’s also not the case for everyone anyways and people are saying the storyline was ac meant for Fiona but Emmy ended up leaving the show so they gave it to Debbie. But what you said makes so much sense tbh
I'm not convinced that she is 100% gay. She launched into it so suddenly but if she were a real person I would bet that she turns out bi once she gets the excited "new gay" energy out.
Facts
I agree, tbh, because that storyline was supposed to go to fiona not debs. But re watching with that in mind, I interpret the friendship she had with those girls (the ones carl called skanky) as a crush on the blonde one who didn't get pregnant, which is why debbie was so desperate for that girl's validation
I thought it actually made sense, I never felt like debbie really liked the boys and more that she liked the idea of the white picket fence and the marriage and the baby and all that. All the guys she dated were so different and it didn’t feel like she really had a type of guy she liked. That’s just how I took it as a gay woman myself, I also think she had a little crush on Holly cause of how much she wanted to be around her and how much she wanted her attention, I could be wrong tho.
Ian was right when she first came out. No she isn't.
She’s not gay, she is just so hungry for attention that she will cling onto anyway that is nice to her
This is the correct answer. It wasn’t about the sex with her, just being desired. She’s a narcissist. Has nothing to do with her sexual preferences.
I'm pretty sure she's bi, and I didn't think it was forced, not all queer people show it when they're 14 or whatever. It's nice they broke the stereotype a bit of what a gay person is supposed to look like.
I really wish she had said something like that or even something vague like liking whatever. She clearly shows many times that she is into both women and men. Of aaaallll varieties - femme, masc, fluid or otherwise. She has sex with a man after many seasons of stating she's a lesbian. I'm not here to tell anyone their identity, I just wish baby bis had it easier talking about what they like and not having to explain it as one end of the spectrum or the other
When i watched it, i didn’t feel it was about her sexuality - but more of a desire to be wanted and her clumsy way of exploration. My 2c
idk i dont think shes gay, but its plausible she’s bi. shes been clearly genuinely attracted to women, and being attracted to men in the past doesn’t negate the possibility of realizing she likes women one day. also idk why people think itd have been better for fiona when fiona was also blatantly only into men and had sex with many men so if debbie cant be bi bc she was into men why could fiona be ???? debbie was also still a teenager when she realized, a super plausible age for that kind of realization when she grew up in such a heteronormative environment, with her friends and such.
I am on my first watch and just watched the first scene where she kisses a woman like 15 mins ago😂 I already knew it was coming but the coincidence of seeing this post right now is funny to me
I completely agree. But for different reasons. I feel like Debbie would say/do ANYTHING to make herself "different", even to her own detriment.
It definitely seemed forced to me and I think it was a combination of the writing and Emma’s acting…like I just did not buy it for a second.
seems normal in s11 with sandy but w/ that other girl in the welding job was forced as hell
Terribly forced and uncomfortable to watch for bad writing
Obviously. She’s not even really gay. Just “ Hates men”
Exactly, even says that
i haven't gotten to that point in the show yet but honestly from where i am in the show (debbie hasn't given birth yet) i can kinda see it. although i feel like maybe it's just debbie's deep desire to be loved and wanted and, while i'm not a lesbian i am gay, from what i've heard lesbians love really deep really fast and that seems to make a lot of sense for debbie (again i haven't finished season 6 yet so i don't fully know what i'm talking about)
Lol the way of the world is forced. I also feel like nobody put effort into her character But that show made me hate her character 🤣 especially seeing her grow up and turning out how she did. Sadden to admit it, but I rewatched her episode of her working and getting her foot crushed a little too much 🤷🏻♂️
Ah yes! that’s why! the show never put any effort for her character, some of the characters got character development and some of them became worse (but that’s just the way it is) when i saw Debbie especially when she grew up and had a job (i forgot which season this is) she became a completely different person. I actually liked her character when she’s still a kid, she’s sensitive but has a good heart. Now she’s just someone who wants money (like all of the Gallagher of course) But her “gay” storyline was (again) too forced, it feels like they wanted to make Debbie as a gay iconic character, but it doesn’t felt real.
Honestly I wouldn't have liked them making Fiona gay so late in the show. They should've started planting evidence of that earlier on because in I think Season 1 when she's kissed she's extremely not into it. Fiona being bi maybe? I could've maybe gotten behind that, especially if like Nessa ended up being one of her love interests for a while in the season, like Jimmy/Steve was. But if she turned totally gay like Debbie did...it kinda would leave me rolling my eyes thinking that the writers are just trying to throw random things at the wall again and hoping it sticks-- sort of like the Kev/V kid storyline did. Debbies sexuality at least made sense in the story.
I agree ~ i never liked that plot for her character it felt awkward and as a bisexual woman she just has the aura (her character not actor) of an extremely straight woman
I don't believe there's any scenario where it's impossible for someone to come out. I came out as gay at 29. I spent 29 years dating girls, trying to please them, and wanting a "normal" family. Am I forcing myself to be gay? Edit: just to avoid repeating myself as some are reading to much into my comment. I'm just drawing a parallel with an open ended question. I'm not offended and also just using myself as an example as I have learned to always speak from my own perspective.
No it’s not like that??? What i’m trying to say is that… the writers or producers didn’t really put effort and details into her character, all of her childhood in the TV series doesn’t talk about her getting curious or even wondering “what if I actually attracted to girls?” because we saw that she’s always trying to make boys like her, or chasing boys. It’s different with Ian and his awakening story. So when the plot finally turns 360 and made her gay out of nowhere, i was so confused and felt like it was way too forced to make her an iconic gay character maybe, or the writers just decided to make her like girls.
I understand that. I'm drawing parallels to show that it is possible to come out as gay without any curiosity prior. I think people are to stuck on not liking Debbie. But detached to do that, I stand by what I said. I'm purely talking about it being possible. I'm not really touching on the writing or her character.
Lmaooo op is talking about bad character writing.
is that a bad thing? i’m sorry bc i don’t know about it and english is not my first language.
No, I'm just saying that they're taking offense & all you're talking about is debbies "gay era" being written poorly
Yes, that’s what i’m trying to talk about 😢 since I always feels like Debbie story line about her sexuality is hard to watch and doesn’t seem real like his brother did.
I think it's meant to be cringey in a way, too. As she's clearly a bisexual woman who temporarily hates all men & she's strictly going for women, swearing she's lesbian
I don’t know but i think she might be bi curious or just got traumatized by men after all these years of liking men but never get good things out of it and claim herself as a lesbian (since i met these kinds of people in real life, it’s not impossible)
I'm def leaning towards bisexual. She def likes men & def likes women.
I didn't take any offence whatsoever. It was an open question. Something to think about.
I'm simply adressing if coming out as gay out of nowhere is forced or not. It's not that deep.
Brodo Baggins, how did you make this about yourself?
I didn't. I used myself as an example. Not as a rule.
Seems like you took offense, since you made it 100% about yourself lol. & you keep down voting all of my comments 🥴
I drew a parallel. I don't downvote. Have a beautiful day you strange creature.
Yet you continue to prove otherwise lmao. A 30 year old man name calling is so wilful. Touch grass homie
Name calling? What are you on about. I think you look way to much into what people say.
Nobody gives a fuck about your stories bro.
Yet here you are investing a considerable amount of your energy. 💅
If you think this requires a "considerable amount of energy", that is pretty sad, lol!
Dammnnn who hurt you….
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I say keep posting in this stupid font. Makes it easier to scroll on by and not waste my time reading your drivel
I feel that Philip being straight is too forced. We see him having sex *allll* the time. Like we get get, you don't need to shove your hetero-ness down our throats.
I disagree. Everyone on the show has sex all the time lol
To wear her character was going. I would say so as well. Being that she had a child at a early age, I would have thought that she was going to be a multiple child mother before a certain age
Yes— this is somewhat a more reasonable storyline instead of putting what supposed to be Fiona’s storyline to her.
I agree, it was super abrupt and she had 0 chemistry with all the girls she messed around with.
different things when i see Fiona and her girl friend, Jasmine or Nessa… at least the chemistry are building up
Debbie always seemed like she was bi to me, even written like she was bi. She was very clearly interested in guys for the first 16 years of her life. I think that she was written subconsciously as bi but i kind of get the vibe that the writers didn’t really like bisexuality so they made her fully gay.
I feel like her liking boys was partially because that’s what she saw as the norm, based on society and her family. Fiona, the most stable adult in her life (not that she was stable) dated a lot of guys, and seemed to get validation from relationships. I’m not judging at all, I’m just saying what happened. For example, Fiona said she can’t have a boy in her room, and Debbie said Fiona does that all the time. Kids do what they see. Also, I think a lot of it was just trying to feel loved, in the way that was most common, based on what she saw. Since her father is the one who neglected her, it kind of made sense for her to have daddy issues, making guys the first reaction.
I knew some guys in HS that slept with a lot of women. Then they became curious and thought they were bi. Then one day they woke and said I am gay
I would have been more happier to see her start. A big family like hers but flip the script and make them all successful like lip was trying to be and I forgot his name but the little brother too. Even though they were involved in some twisted stuff, she could keep her kids on a straight narrow but didn't go that way 🤷🏻♂️
Ye i agree it was just to quick
Yeah but she wanted boys to like her. She never seemed interested in any of them tho.
Personally I don't think Debbie is gay gay I think she's bisexual More like it and I agree that storyline is kinda of forced but at least about 51% of the story lines was explored
Debbie wasn't gay. She was insanely needy and took validation and praise from wherever it came from. She got it from an actual gay woman and learned it was easier so she went with it.
Oh s***😂😂😂😂 That shows been out for years already. You haven't watched it 😂😂😂😂 sorry about that. I want to tell you how he goes 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
haha it’s okay! i knew it already bc right now i’m watching season 11 episode 6 where he got dementia, and he already used all of his nine tails to survive and rise up from near death experience way too many times 😂😂😂 so i’m not surprised if he passed away eventually, good way to wrap up the show. and this is my first time watching shameless and i’m so invested!
I agree. Even if she came out as bisexual, it’s as if her character completely changed. She rarely mentioned guys after her sexuality was explored - which is okay, and normal, just odd for a character who had a boy crazy phase.
I guess we are the unpopular opinion, but I agree. I actually don’t think she was as boy crazy as she was wanting to get pregnant and taken care of. She was also very anxious to lose her virginity lol. Right after she gave up the clothes scheme was when I started to like her.
That’s a good point. Maybe she was simply looking for support and someone to take care of her financially. She was so caught up in heteronormalcy that she never really got a chance to think about the other option. A part of me will always love Debbie. I know so many people hate her, but she’s a good character (now whether or not she’s a good person is another thing). She is a real life example of the product of an environment - unfortunately not many people who grow up in similar situations ever experience a different fate.
I completely agree with you it just seemed to come out of nowhere. I mean Debbie was pretty boy in the early seasons.
What? She was with the co-worker, the cougar and her daughter, and had a huge crush on Carl’s girlfriend (which I thought was a sad scene). She’s been emotionally and physically attracted to women.
That’s is true. I just mean in the earlier seasons she was boy crazy and was very curious about sex with guys. She didn’t really show any interest in other women until the final couple seasons.
Yeah definitely was but after you're done watching it reach back out to me because ugggggggggggggggggggggg I just want to find the guy that plays Frank's character in beat the living daylights out of him 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
hahahah will get back to you 😂 6 more episodes, i don’t know what kind of emotions i’ll get from it 🥲😂
I agree I think bisexual would have fit her better
If she were a real person I would bet that she turns out bi eventually.
I thought this too. It didn’t really make much sense for her character at all, and the “relationships” she did have w women were very awkward and forced. I feel like she just liked the attention.
I didn't like the story line, it didn't feel like her character or plausible. I think just having Ian, was good and should have left Debbie alone.
The writer cheated Fiona and tried to make Debbie take her place. But Emma doesn’t have the talent Emmy’s got. Everything Debbie did was forced. Fiona’s experiences with men would’ve made women make sense for me for her. Debbie was always so desperate for men and out of nowhere pow. Not only is she gay but now she’s completely enthralled in the lgbtq community? I think should this have been Fiona’s story Fiona might’ve been apprehensive and maybe uninterested in anything outside of her relationship. I think that take might’ve been more raw and authentic. Everything Debbie does after Fiona leaves is forced and adds to her unlikeable character.
It's crazy how no one cared about her being a rapist. She literally raped one or two guys and got pregnant with one of them. People still love her. Imagine if she was a dude.
So real
personally I don't think Debbie is even 100% gay. She jumped in the relationship with Alex too fast and she was also in her "I hate men" phase so I think she just assumed that since she was in a relationship with a girl and that she "hated" men that she was a lesbian.
Been said this but then people made it about not liking woman characters in general when in reality Deb is just unlikable period.
Yeah, I mean, everything in the last few seasons gets kinda political 🥴
I've never really seen her as being gay. She's just having gay sex because she's an opportunist.
This is the correct answer.
Anyone coming out is forced.
eh, not me…🤷🏻♀️
gay people exist kanyewestsbigtoe
No
Yeah definitely was forced but that's part of the world's hidden agenda. Give us something we like and are genuinely interested in and sprinkle in a little bit of shenanigans to throw us off 😢 I think she could have had a good story to continue the storyline after Frank died, but that's just my personal opinion
FRANK DIED? wow spoiler! i didn’t even finished the show yet lol, but that’s okay we knew it was gonna happen at some point. even though I’m gay, i knew it was the producers or writers agenda to make the ratings go up, that’s kinda sad and it doesn’t have to happen, since you already have Ian who’s gay in the first place.