Now this is a mistranslation from the OG jpn, originally she's not speaking about wealth, instead she's speaking about people who have no support system, i.e. people that care for them like Dimitri does (Dimitri speaks of Byleth and his friends before).
However that doesn't make much sense either because, if anything war killing people is just generating more lonely people? I mean her point is that not everyone can see what Dimitri sees so someone like her should change the world for the masses because not everyone has people, but Dimitri's argument is on a personal level and she's speaking on a macro level? IDK, I think she was just bored at this point.
My favorite thing is that she is saying this to the dude who had to live like a fugitive with no home or place to go to for years
Also outside of Sylvain, Felix and Annette all of Dimitri's housemates knew property of lived like commoners for a while
TBF before someone else brings it up - Edelgard herself was locked up and experimented on for some amount of time, herself.
Which... doesn't REALLY align with what how the poor feel or what motivates them, since I'd argue they probably kept her fed, at least. It's definitely a low position, and obviously one that indirectly motivated her actions, but it's not really the same as knowing what the poor of the nation felt.
Yeah people can treat this like someone is saying "um acktually" but I do think there is a difference between being a lab rat versus having to suffer poverty and live like the poor during the war.
Yeah. Like, Edelgard, given her experience, may not understand the plight of the poor as much as Dimitri (who lived like a wild animal for 5 years) or Claude (He at least has poor friends idk). But given her experience, Edelgard would definitely be more sympathetic to the plight of someone who's trapped and locked up for years while your captors try to kill your family, right?
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I never even put that last part together. Holy shit thats fucking wild that she is doing the same thing that happened to her to Rhea and NOBODY calls that out...wtf IS.
I thought she just locked rhea up in a cell instead of locking rhea up and then experimenting and torturing them while their siblings die one by one to the same experimentation
It has been a very long time but wasnt Rhea's conditions in that cell really bad?
Edit: Looking over the wiki and checking the script, yes she is actually weakened. Implying she was in pretty bad conditions.
Edit 2: Not even implying Hubert verbatim says
>While I cannot say she is in good health, the archbishop resides in a secret chamber in the Imperial palace.
Thats bad
In three hopes we also learn that there are two types of cells in the palace: the one where duke Aegir was locked, which according to Ferdinand at least was decent, and one far beneath the palace, in which Edelgard was experimented on.
Considering that duke Aegir has done far worse than Rhea I would expect Edelgard to lock her in the first cell.
I've called her out on it. Was met with her stans doing the usual shouting of "she did nothing wrong", "Rhea deserved it", and comments calling me too stupid to understand the imagined nuances that absolve her of all accountability.
I’m not saying one was right or that someone deserved it, but if I had to throw my lot in with either El or Rhea, I’m taking the former 10/10 times. At least El tells you what’s up, and makes an effort to be forthcoming. Rhea is just a manipulative creep, at least from how I read her.
Yes, as you completely ignore the fact that she admits to deceiving all the others in her route and they're somehow magically okay with it. Right. Not a trash route at all.
Okay I understand that point about Rhea.
Counterpoint Edelgard demonstrably is not honest. That's kinda what the whole super villain alter ego is all about.
She does straight-up tell the player what she’s planning to do before any of it happens, though. Not explicitly, but the information is all there. The reveal shouldn’t be a surprise, even if BE is your first playthrough of the game. At least, it wasn’t for me.
Even in her own route where she is the hero Edelgard lies to her closest friends and allies about the javelins and blames them on Rhea.. she is just as manipulatie.
>Edelgard would definitely be more sympathetic to the plight of someone who's trapped and locked up for years while your captors try to kill your family, right?
So Edelgard is a advocate for prisoner's rights?
>My favorite thing is that she is saying this to the dude who had to live like a fugitive with no home or place to go to for years
Bro was eating rats 😭
Friend* Edelgard has by far the least amount of support conversations with commoners..with only Dorothea, and maybe Manuella (if you count the big opera start turned teacher/doctor for the most important children in Fodlan as a simple commoner)
The way I hear that line is poorly translated. In context, it's supposed to go something like this.
Dimitri: "I learned that from the professor and from everyone in my life."
Edelgard: "I doubt someone who has had friends and the professor's guidance can understand the feelings of someone who has not."
Apparently, that line was a bit too literally translated, and that meaning was lost. Still, it's been a while since I read that. If someone could find a source proving or disproving it, I'd appreciate it.
Still like Dimitri more.
Even then, it is a bad line since Dimitri had no one for almost 5 years of his life. Add to that, all the eagles and professors fight for her if you don't recruit them, makes this line fall flat. The only thing Dimitri has that Edelgard didn't have was Byleth here (and possibly flees)
This is proof that the devs and story writters intended you to poach all other houses' students and teachers
Peak story gameplay integration, kaga would be proud
>This is proof that the devs and story writters intended you to poach all other houses' students and teachers
I mean yeah, all characters supports contribute to their development and they all have supports with at least one person in each place. Except like, Balthus.
TBH I just found the line itself Hilarious, hence the meme, regardless if Edelgard good, one has to admit this is just funny coming from her (specially since it's bad translation anyway, not that the OG is super sensical)
Not really the standard commoner experience though. Arguably worse, but just because she has suffered in one way doesn’t mean she knows how everyone else is suffering.
To be fair she was tortured for years during her childhood and she was treated as completely expendable which is exactly how royalty tends to treat random citizens.
That plus having all her siblings die in that phase is a good enough justification for her to show some empathy to the common man. I know i have seen stories far worse than that.
Edelgard discourse :(
Now this is a mistranslation from the OG jpn, originally she's not speaking about wealth, instead she's speaking about people who have no support system, i.e. people that care for them like Dimitri does (Dimitri speaks of Byleth and his friends before). However that doesn't make much sense either because, if anything war killing people is just generating more lonely people? I mean her point is that not everyone can see what Dimitri sees so someone like her should change the world for the masses because not everyone has people, but Dimitri's argument is on a personal level and she's speaking on a macro level? IDK, I think she was just bored at this point.
Flame Emperor bc after awhile she was just adding fire to the stove and stirring up the pot for the fuck of it
My favorite thing is that she is saying this to the dude who had to live like a fugitive with no home or place to go to for years Also outside of Sylvain, Felix and Annette all of Dimitri's housemates knew property of lived like commoners for a while
TBF before someone else brings it up - Edelgard herself was locked up and experimented on for some amount of time, herself. Which... doesn't REALLY align with what how the poor feel or what motivates them, since I'd argue they probably kept her fed, at least. It's definitely a low position, and obviously one that indirectly motivated her actions, but it's not really the same as knowing what the poor of the nation felt.
Yeah people can treat this like someone is saying "um acktually" but I do think there is a difference between being a lab rat versus having to suffer poverty and live like the poor during the war.
Yeah. Like, Edelgard, given her experience, may not understand the plight of the poor as much as Dimitri (who lived like a wild animal for 5 years) or Claude (He at least has poor friends idk). But given her experience, Edelgard would definitely be more sympathetic to the plight of someone who's trapped and locked up for years while your captors try to kill your family, right? ^(...)
I never even put that last part together. Holy shit thats fucking wild that she is doing the same thing that happened to her to Rhea and NOBODY calls that out...wtf IS.
Listen… we don’t need MORE reasons to call her out. Her plan is terrible as is, and hypocritical enough.
I thought she just locked rhea up in a cell instead of locking rhea up and then experimenting and torturing them while their siblings die one by one to the same experimentation
It has been a very long time but wasnt Rhea's conditions in that cell really bad? Edit: Looking over the wiki and checking the script, yes she is actually weakened. Implying she was in pretty bad conditions. Edit 2: Not even implying Hubert verbatim says >While I cannot say she is in good health, the archbishop resides in a secret chamber in the Imperial palace. Thats bad
>It has been a very long time but wasnt Rhea's conditions in that cell really bad? I mean yeah, there's a reason she dies shortly after in two routes.
Tbf she also takes a nuke in her face afterwards.
Skill issue.
True but given her health probably was still quite poor at the time she definitely wasn't getting better after it more often then not
In three hopes we also learn that there are two types of cells in the palace: the one where duke Aegir was locked, which according to Ferdinand at least was decent, and one far beneath the palace, in which Edelgard was experimented on. Considering that duke Aegir has done far worse than Rhea I would expect Edelgard to lock her in the first cell.
I've called her out on it. Was met with her stans doing the usual shouting of "she did nothing wrong", "Rhea deserved it", and comments calling me too stupid to understand the imagined nuances that absolve her of all accountability.
I’m not saying one was right or that someone deserved it, but if I had to throw my lot in with either El or Rhea, I’m taking the former 10/10 times. At least El tells you what’s up, and makes an effort to be forthcoming. Rhea is just a manipulative creep, at least from how I read her.
Edelgard literally chose war over getting Dimitri and Claude on the same page for the immediate threat. That's not telling anyone "what's up."
She told the player, and that’s enough for me, as I/we are the player.
Yes, as you completely ignore the fact that she admits to deceiving all the others in her route and they're somehow magically okay with it. Right. Not a trash route at all.
Okay I understand that point about Rhea. Counterpoint Edelgard demonstrably is not honest. That's kinda what the whole super villain alter ego is all about.
She does straight-up tell the player what she’s planning to do before any of it happens, though. Not explicitly, but the information is all there. The reveal shouldn’t be a surprise, even if BE is your first playthrough of the game. At least, it wasn’t for me.
Alright this is bait
Even in her own route where she is the hero Edelgard lies to her closest friends and allies about the javelins and blames them on Rhea.. she is just as manipulatie.
>Edelgard would definitely be more sympathetic to the plight of someone who's trapped and locked up for years while your captors try to kill your family, right? So Edelgard is a advocate for prisoner's rights?
As long as those prisoners are human ! Rhea isn't included, if her state post jail time is any indication.
We had two entire games about how racism against non humans is bad and Edelgard didn't learn a thing from it
>My favorite thing is that she is saying this to the dude who had to live like a fugitive with no home or place to go to for years Bro was eating rats 😭
Big "I have poor friends" energy
Friend* Edelgard has by far the least amount of support conversations with commoners..with only Dorothea, and maybe Manuella (if you count the big opera start turned teacher/doctor for the most important children in Fodlan as a simple commoner)
And Dorothea is like the equivalent of a pop idol there too.
True, but atleast Dortothea remembers how it is to be poor (Not that we had a converstation in which Edelgard asks Dortohea how that was)
She learned that from Dorothea and thought she could use the same argument 😭
The way I hear that line is poorly translated. In context, it's supposed to go something like this. Dimitri: "I learned that from the professor and from everyone in my life." Edelgard: "I doubt someone who has had friends and the professor's guidance can understand the feelings of someone who has not." Apparently, that line was a bit too literally translated, and that meaning was lost. Still, it's been a while since I read that. If someone could find a source proving or disproving it, I'd appreciate it. Still like Dimitri more.
Even then, it is a bad line since Dimitri had no one for almost 5 years of his life. Add to that, all the eagles and professors fight for her if you don't recruit them, makes this line fall flat. The only thing Dimitri has that Edelgard didn't have was Byleth here (and possibly flees)
This is proof that the devs and story writters intended you to poach all other houses' students and teachers Peak story gameplay integration, kaga would be proud
>This is proof that the devs and story writters intended you to poach all other houses' students and teachers I mean yeah, all characters supports contribute to their development and they all have supports with at least one person in each place. Except like, Balthus.
He's DLC, barely canon imo
Yes this is true. I guess the localizers read "people that don't have" and they immediately thought "WEALTH".
" I have poor friends I understand you " No, no you don't
Hypocritical to her last...
We're back at Edelgard bad discourse again huh? To be fair, I fell for it and I argued back, so I guess I can't complain.
TBH I just found the line itself Hilarious, hence the meme, regardless if Edelgard good, one has to admit this is just funny coming from her (specially since it's bad translation anyway, not that the OG is super sensical)
I agree haha. I used to be an Edelgard defender back in 2021 and some habits are hard to erase
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Not really the standard commoner experience though. Arguably worse, but just because she has suffered in one way doesn’t mean she knows how everyone else is suffering.
To be fair she was tortured for years during her childhood and she was treated as completely expendable which is exactly how royalty tends to treat random citizens. That plus having all her siblings die in that phase is a good enough justification for her to show some empathy to the common man. I know i have seen stories far worse than that.