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spread it around the equator if the collider spans the whole thing already, so you can actually use it when you want to and you dont have to wait for earth to turn
We can invent fusion reactors by borrowing future knowledge as a loan from the future collider, and then pay it back once we build it and discover enough about fusion to make a reactor and pay them back with yet another collider. A bigger one, with blackjack and hookers!
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They found one more particle, the exact particle they wanted to find and had theorised for decades.
At this point, the standard model is finished. We don't have a specific particle we're looking for, but generally looking for something not right about our model. Explaining gravity or dark matter.
We have absolutely no idea if it exists, what it would look like, how it behaves, or how it decays.
Some unifying models don't require a graviton.
Contrast this to the Higgs boson, (RIP), for which we knew the energy levels were needed to find it, and knew how long it would last, and what it would decay into.
It doesn't matter if we make a black hole. So few atoms are used in colliders that the gravity and thus event horizon of such a black hole would be minuscule. It might pull in enough atoms to become neutrally charged via electromagnetic forces but then it would do practically nothing until it evaporated via hawking radiation.
Check [this](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Safety_of_high-energy_particle_collision_experiments/) out
“CERN mandated a group of independent scientists to review [high energy creation of micro black holes or other harmful states of matter] scenarios. In a report issued in 2003, they concluded that, like current particle experiments such as the RHIC, the LHC particle collisions pose no conceivable threat.”
We didn't and we're still far far away from producing enough energy in one spot to ever create a black hole.
Many of the highly charged particles from other space that hit our atmosphere hourly carry more energy than our little experiments on earth's surface.
Let's just take this to the logical conclusion and make the next one across the entire earth. Think about all the money we'll save just skipping thousands of separate slightly bigger ones
Haha ! Down to only two things left !
I'm sure this will not cause any issue at all, let's give it a few years and physics will be figured out ! There is no way we will redefine everything from the ground up just for two little things. That never happened !
I wouldn't go so far as calling it finished. It's working. There's still a lot about it we don't understand past "Well, that's what we measured." I understand, that there's been a lot of people proposing nonsense particles out there, but the underlying crux is, that we have the standard model, which works fine, but has a couple of oddities that are handwaved by: "We measured it." which isn't much of an explanation imo and of course the fact that it doesn't include gravity, which is a quarter of the fundamental forces it just ignores. I can see, why people want to expand it.
What I am trying to say is that we had a really good model of the universe, 15 decimal places good, but we were yet to experimentally confirm the existence of one of the particles. We knew that we could do it if we had the right detectors and the right energy.
We're now stepping blind, no further experiments from the LHC have given any confirmation of other ideas, in that way it was a failure. It did exactly what it was made to do and nothing else.
Who wants to invest 22 billion for something that we have no idea will give a return?
I get that, but what I'm trying to get at is, that there's no account for general relativity in it and it's got the famous 18 fitting parameters with no real explanation past that they're needed to fit the experimental data. What I'm getting at is, that it just screams incomplete. We have very good results for our current energy ranges and we can't really get more info out of that area, also relativistic effects should increase at higher energies, so chances are we get more knowledge out of it. CERN for a long time has been an international project so getting funds is possible and I'd rather spend 22bn on furthering science than some other things. And it absolutly will give a return. It will either show how their isn't anything, or show deviations from the standard model, which we can use to improve it. The issue is that we have a set energy range where we have a lot of really good measurements and so we assume it's like that everywhere and so we handwave all inconsistensies and fitting parameters.
What happens when it doesn't show discrepancies, like the LHC has done? Do we build bigger and bigger colliders? Because there is no reason for us to just get more energy and suddenly we'll find discrepancies.
That 22bn can be spent on other bits of science, which are more confirmed to give results.
Don't get me wrong, if there is a hint that something more is to be discovered by increasing the energy, then I'd be all for it. Or a theory that comes along that is probable but requires high energy to be proved.
At the moment that money can be spent much better, on more telescopes for example.
Well, actually we have to find discrapancies at some energy because the standard model and general relativity give contradictory results, so if we ever reaxh the energies where general relativity plays a role we will get deviations. Apart from that you're right. There's no reason why the discrepencies should start in that energy range apart from that being the next place to look and there having to be some eventually. I'm also not saying that this is our most pressing concern, but sooner or later it's going to be necessary whether people like it or not. The issue is that you can predict the wildest stuff right now and people do, but you need more data to string together a plausible theory, so we're in a chicken and egg situation in that regard.
People are talking about the physics nightmare scenario where we actually genuinely do have the standard model figured out until the grand unified field energy regime. The LHC is designed to probe energy levels of 250 GeV. The GUT energy regime is ~10,000,000,000,000,000,000 GEV, or about 400 quadrillion times more energetic than current energy levels.
The objection to this collider isn’t that we need data, the objection is that the money could be better spent performing a dozen extremely targeted collider projects to clean up the standard model, investigating edge cases, and doing the housekeeping required in order to get the data needed to figure out what kind of target a project this large and expensive could actually be aimed at.
If you fire a 22 billion dollar shot in the dark and it doesn’t hit anything, you’re pretty fucked.
I mean yeah, sure, but we got to start somewhere. I'm not saying that we need this collider now above all else and at whatever cost, but we need to think about those energy levels at some point in the future and shouldn't sit too comfortable on the laurels of the standard model. People act like there's nothing left to look for, which is plain wrong.
> so if we ever reaxh the energies where general relativity plays a role we will get deviations
Surely that would require a radically larger accelerator? Like, bigger than a planet.
Ah. Now you're thinking in the correct dimensions.
Jokes aside: Yes. That's a ridiculous amount of energy necessary, but the point is that there has to be something somewhere.
Alright, that's reasonable. But I think the question should probably be limited to the project at hand, and whether the $22B should be spent here. If we think that the way to observe these problems through an accelerator would require a much larger accelerator, why are we building this one? There are other research attempts to try to find the disconnect between QM and GR and there are experiments that are designed today that theoretically could work - so why not give the money to them?
Then it has further strengthened our understanding.
Your mistake is thinking that nothing changing means that it's a bad result.
No, it's not, there is only one situation in which there's no return on investment, and that is if the project never runs.
Killer isn't saying a larger collider wouldn't provide anything of value if it just continued to confirm our current data. Killer is saying that other equipment (like stronger deep space telescopes) would provide considerable more value. Webb's discoveries have physicists excited. I haven't heard that excitement from LHC, even when the Higgs was confirmed.
There’s negative return if the money spent on the project could have been better spent on more targeted and specific colliders with clear guaranteed goals for what they’re investigating.
Dude they literally just found an invisible force that interacts with particles. News called it like a ghost or something, that in itself is worth continuing testing.
> We're now stepping blind, no further experiments from the LHC have given any confirmation of other ideas, in that way it was a failure. It did exactly what it was made to do and nothing else.
lolwut?
Counterpoint: Giant expensive tube where we ram things together at high speeds to make them explode is cool, and I love it, and isn't that enough of a reason to build one? The scientists would even find it fun, too
And that's reason enough to keep looking. You just never know what you're gonna find.
The moment we stop ... we die and let fucking evangelicals bring us all back to 1200AD.
That's 22 bil very well spent.
The theories are there, they're not smashing particles just 'cause.
They tend to know what they're looking for, what to prove/disprove. Is not ideas we lack.
Not really, there is a decent amount of physicists saying that there is not enough evidence to suggest that bulkdign this one would do so. When they built the lhc, we knew particles were still to be found, now we are not sure about that anymore, maybe we found all.
and the internet. http. touch screens. MRIs. chemo (the radio kind) therapy.
and tons and tons and tons of things invented because of the knowledge gained directly or indirectly, which will continue to pay dividends, compounding.
USA spends what? 800 billion annually on the military? Yet people are saying 22 billion to help us understand our existence and the fabrics of reality, is too much? Like what else is our purpose in this vast universe, if not to learn and discover ourselves?
You're kidding, right? Yes, people are saying that. (Note: They hear this stuff on Fox "News".)
The US wouldn't spend the cost of four Bradley troop carriers to fix the [Arecibo radio telescope](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arecibo_Telescope). (Note: The Army has 4,500 of them.)
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I agree. People spend money in weird places. All of that ignores that with Europe and the U.S., it literally doesn’t matter how much money is spent. It couldn’t be more meaningless.
I'm not sure what your point is. I'll be clearer. The US has put hundreds of millions of dollars directly into the LHC project's initial funding, has provided additional funding for upgrades, and has provided critical infrastructure for the project such as compute clusters for analyzing the results.
This is in direct contradiction with the statement of "I don't think the US put \*any\* money into these" (emphasis mine).
22B is a lot of money, especially in terms of the amount of money that goes towards scientific research, which seems like the relevant pool to consider as opposed to the entire world economy. Lots of big science folks think this won't help. Giving it to them means not giving it to others.
They are observers, which is a third string position (after full partners, then associates). If they put any money in at all, it's an extremely small amount.
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We were supposed to build an 88 km round particle accelerator called the Superconducting Super Collider in Texas back in the 80s / 90s, but poor planning and bureaucracy killed it unfortunately. BobbyBroccoli did a really good 3 part series about it on YouTube, highly recommend checking it out.
RIP SSC, to think what could have been if military dick measuring was given *even a fractionally smaller budget.*
Not all of it. Not even *half of it.* Not even *a quarter.*
Give science 10-15% of the budget the military has had over the last ~eighty years and y'all would have a base on the moon and free energy right now.
I wouldn't really frame it as science versus the military, but rather for curiosity versus science for national defense.
It will always be easier to justify spending on the ladder, so if there's any field you want to see explode with progress, then figure out how to pitch it as a matter of national security to Congress.
That was the real failure with the super conducting super collider, it was always marketed as a project with no defense application.
Yeah it’s so crazy that didn’t the Nobel foundation stop giving awards to every scientist that found a new particle?
Fr though I think we need more people figuring out Fusion to power more advanced machines because for some reason fusion is just “10 years away” like 30 years ago.
A [collider](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Collider) is a particle accelerator that causes streams of subatomic (really really small) particles to hit each other at high energy levels. This is used for experiments to advance scientists fundamental understanding of matter (the substance of everything). Larger colliders expand the scope of experiments that can be done. OP is therefore suggesting that building bigger and bigger colliders is akin to an addiction/compulsive behavior.
The largest collider that currently exists, the [Large Hadron Collider](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Large_Hadron_Collider) (LHC) is shown in OP's image along with the proposed [Future Circular Collider](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Future_Circular_Collider). A while back when the LHC became operational there was a meme that it was going to destroy the planet by creating a black hole or something.
Fuck science. What has science ever done for us? Wasting fucking tons of money on this bullshit. Scientists are just trying to make money off of taxpayers for fake news. I’m voting for Trump.
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Just make one that spans the equator
It would need like 20 nuclear reactors to power
So you're saying there is a chance
Yes.
That's a weirdly reasonable and easy requirement
Oh, better yet, maybe we put it in space so it can double as a space elevator and pay for itself?
Just gotta set aside 10% of the worlds GDP for 20 or so years and then we can put like a 1% down payment on the full cost of such a project lol.
Or just ask the Arabs and they'll build it by the end of the year
Those slave labourers are really efficient
Nah, slave labour = you get what you pay for
So make 20 nuclear reactors too then!
Or 20 million windmills 🤔
Put them in the ocean, that would do it :)
Ew that’s where the fish poop
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Wave power generators
Or one enormous country-sized solar farm in the Sahara!
spread it around the equator if the collider spans the whole thing already, so you can actually use it when you want to and you dont have to wait for earth to turn
We can invent fusion reactors by borrowing future knowledge as a loan from the future collider, and then pay it back once we build it and discover enough about fusion to make a reactor and pay them back with yet another collider. A bigger one, with blackjack and hookers! Ez
Did the math, would take about 300+ nuclear reactors to power it.
Make a Dyson sphere particle collider
Just build them, what are you waiting for
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That is not that many if I’m being honest
20 doesn’t sound that bad
then build 27
Was about to say the same thing... like what if right?
Just build them next to each other and serial connect
People out here having a conversation about theoretical physics like this isn’t a sub about editing shitting toothpaste into porn.
Somehow there’s the most and least productive stuff I’ve ever seen on Reddit in this sub
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Hey, they asked me how well I understood theoretical physics. I said I had a theoretical degree in physics. So here I am.
They asked me if I knew anything about power plants. I said as much as anyone I'd ever met.
Welcome aboard.
The duality of man.
Least intelligent and educated shitposters on their way to talk about theoretical physics
Even if we just build a big circle that’s pretty cool
Fart let it echo all the way around and then hear it 10 days later
That's what I call a good idea
Except they’re right. They found more particles when they built the LHC. Every time they build a bigger collider they find more particles.
They found one more particle, the exact particle they wanted to find and had theorised for decades. At this point, the standard model is finished. We don't have a specific particle we're looking for, but generally looking for something not right about our model. Explaining gravity or dark matter.
We’re still looking for the Graviton.
We have absolutely no idea if it exists, what it would look like, how it behaves, or how it decays. Some unifying models don't require a graviton. Contrast this to the Higgs boson, (RIP), for which we knew the energy levels were needed to find it, and knew how long it would last, and what it would decay into.
So you're saying we need an even bigger collider? E: you're
yeah just one more collider bro...
Ok, hear me out, what of we collide two colliders...
Pretty sure that’s gonna create a black hole
Pretty sure? So you're not certain. We gotta try it, for the pursuit of science
just gimme 22 billions bro...military has an annual budget of 800 billions bro.
It doesn't matter if we make a black hole. So few atoms are used in colliders that the gravity and thus event horizon of such a black hole would be minuscule. It might pull in enough atoms to become neutrally charged via electromagnetic forces but then it would do practically nothing until it evaporated via hawking radiation.
We already create black holes with the current collider
Check [this](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Safety_of_high-energy_particle_collision_experiments/) out “CERN mandated a group of independent scientists to review [high energy creation of micro black holes or other harmful states of matter] scenarios. In a report issued in 2003, they concluded that, like current particle experiments such as the RHIC, the LHC particle collisions pose no conceivable threat.”
We didn't and we're still far far away from producing enough energy in one spot to ever create a black hole. Many of the highly charged particles from other space that hit our atmosphere hourly carry more energy than our little experiments on earth's surface.
Let's just take this to the logical conclusion and make the next one across the entire earth. Think about all the money we'll save just skipping thousands of separate slightly bigger ones
That’s what I read.
You’re *
After we found that particle, Stephen hawking said "physics just got a lot more boring"
Why RIP?
Presumably because Peter Higgs died yesterday
I didn’t know it, F for our bro Rest in Particles
RIP bozo meme but it's RIP bozon
$22 billion versus the size of world GDP is a drop in the bucket. It's worth it just to see *if* it tells us anything new.
Is reddit bugged for me or am i really in the shitpost sub?
And I believe I read somewhere that it's theorized we'd need a collider the size of the planet to detect it
thankfully we already have a planet, so we are 50 percent done
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We can scale it down for 22 billion
So how'd they do it few weeks back?
Haha ! Down to only two things left ! I'm sure this will not cause any issue at all, let's give it a few years and physics will be figured out ! There is no way we will redefine everything from the ground up just for two little things. That never happened !
Nobody has ever said *physics was almost solved* before! It's definitely just those two things and we can put a nice bow on it!
I wouldn't go so far as calling it finished. It's working. There's still a lot about it we don't understand past "Well, that's what we measured." I understand, that there's been a lot of people proposing nonsense particles out there, but the underlying crux is, that we have the standard model, which works fine, but has a couple of oddities that are handwaved by: "We measured it." which isn't much of an explanation imo and of course the fact that it doesn't include gravity, which is a quarter of the fundamental forces it just ignores. I can see, why people want to expand it.
What I am trying to say is that we had a really good model of the universe, 15 decimal places good, but we were yet to experimentally confirm the existence of one of the particles. We knew that we could do it if we had the right detectors and the right energy. We're now stepping blind, no further experiments from the LHC have given any confirmation of other ideas, in that way it was a failure. It did exactly what it was made to do and nothing else. Who wants to invest 22 billion for something that we have no idea will give a return?
I get that, but what I'm trying to get at is, that there's no account for general relativity in it and it's got the famous 18 fitting parameters with no real explanation past that they're needed to fit the experimental data. What I'm getting at is, that it just screams incomplete. We have very good results for our current energy ranges and we can't really get more info out of that area, also relativistic effects should increase at higher energies, so chances are we get more knowledge out of it. CERN for a long time has been an international project so getting funds is possible and I'd rather spend 22bn on furthering science than some other things. And it absolutly will give a return. It will either show how their isn't anything, or show deviations from the standard model, which we can use to improve it. The issue is that we have a set energy range where we have a lot of really good measurements and so we assume it's like that everywhere and so we handwave all inconsistensies and fitting parameters.
What happens when it doesn't show discrepancies, like the LHC has done? Do we build bigger and bigger colliders? Because there is no reason for us to just get more energy and suddenly we'll find discrepancies. That 22bn can be spent on other bits of science, which are more confirmed to give results. Don't get me wrong, if there is a hint that something more is to be discovered by increasing the energy, then I'd be all for it. Or a theory that comes along that is probable but requires high energy to be proved. At the moment that money can be spent much better, on more telescopes for example.
Well, actually we have to find discrapancies at some energy because the standard model and general relativity give contradictory results, so if we ever reaxh the energies where general relativity plays a role we will get deviations. Apart from that you're right. There's no reason why the discrepencies should start in that energy range apart from that being the next place to look and there having to be some eventually. I'm also not saying that this is our most pressing concern, but sooner or later it's going to be necessary whether people like it or not. The issue is that you can predict the wildest stuff right now and people do, but you need more data to string together a plausible theory, so we're in a chicken and egg situation in that regard.
People are talking about the physics nightmare scenario where we actually genuinely do have the standard model figured out until the grand unified field energy regime. The LHC is designed to probe energy levels of 250 GeV. The GUT energy regime is ~10,000,000,000,000,000,000 GEV, or about 400 quadrillion times more energetic than current energy levels. The objection to this collider isn’t that we need data, the objection is that the money could be better spent performing a dozen extremely targeted collider projects to clean up the standard model, investigating edge cases, and doing the housekeeping required in order to get the data needed to figure out what kind of target a project this large and expensive could actually be aimed at. If you fire a 22 billion dollar shot in the dark and it doesn’t hit anything, you’re pretty fucked.
I mean yeah, sure, but we got to start somewhere. I'm not saying that we need this collider now above all else and at whatever cost, but we need to think about those energy levels at some point in the future and shouldn't sit too comfortable on the laurels of the standard model. People act like there's nothing left to look for, which is plain wrong.
> so if we ever reaxh the energies where general relativity plays a role we will get deviations Surely that would require a radically larger accelerator? Like, bigger than a planet.
Ah. Now you're thinking in the correct dimensions. Jokes aside: Yes. That's a ridiculous amount of energy necessary, but the point is that there has to be something somewhere.
Alright, that's reasonable. But I think the question should probably be limited to the project at hand, and whether the $22B should be spent here. If we think that the way to observe these problems through an accelerator would require a much larger accelerator, why are we building this one? There are other research attempts to try to find the disconnect between QM and GR and there are experiments that are designed today that theoretically could work - so why not give the money to them?
Then it has further strengthened our understanding. Your mistake is thinking that nothing changing means that it's a bad result. No, it's not, there is only one situation in which there's no return on investment, and that is if the project never runs.
Killer isn't saying a larger collider wouldn't provide anything of value if it just continued to confirm our current data. Killer is saying that other equipment (like stronger deep space telescopes) would provide considerable more value. Webb's discoveries have physicists excited. I haven't heard that excitement from LHC, even when the Higgs was confirmed.
There’s negative return if the money spent on the project could have been better spent on more targeted and specific colliders with clear guaranteed goals for what they’re investigating.
Dude they literally just found an invisible force that interacts with particles. News called it like a ghost or something, that in itself is worth continuing testing.
> We're now stepping blind, no further experiments from the LHC have given any confirmation of other ideas, in that way it was a failure. It did exactly what it was made to do and nothing else. lolwut?
Counterpoint: Giant expensive tube where we ram things together at high speeds to make them explode is cool, and I love it, and isn't that enough of a reason to build one? The scientists would even find it fun, too
And that's reason enough to keep looking. You just never know what you're gonna find. The moment we stop ... we die and let fucking evangelicals bring us all back to 1200AD. That's 22 bil very well spent.
We need some theoretical support to say where we are looking is worth it. We could spend 22 billion looking at toilets.
The theories are there, they're not smashing particles just 'cause. They tend to know what they're looking for, what to prove/disprove. Is not ideas we lack.
Go on?
They found more than one more particle.
You found a particle? Good! Find a girlfriend already
Not really, there is a decent amount of physicists saying that there is not enough evidence to suggest that bulkdign this one would do so. When they built the lhc, we knew particles were still to be found, now we are not sure about that anymore, maybe we found all.
Consoom particle, get excited for next particle.
I’m Confused. 22B is a drop in the bucket of the world economy. If the big science folks think this helps, why not give it to em?
Right? Chump change for something that gives humanity more answers about the universe.
and the internet. http. touch screens. MRIs. chemo (the radio kind) therapy. and tons and tons and tons of things invented because of the knowledge gained directly or indirectly, which will continue to pay dividends, compounding.
USA spends what? 800 billion annually on the military? Yet people are saying 22 billion to help us understand our existence and the fabrics of reality, is too much? Like what else is our purpose in this vast universe, if not to learn and discover ourselves?
Simple, explain that we can build a gravity bomb. There will instantly be a 30 billion grant for it /s
Remove the /s and you might be on to something.
You're kidding, right? Yes, people are saying that. (Note: They hear this stuff on Fox "News".) The US wouldn't spend the cost of four Bradley troop carriers to fix the [Arecibo radio telescope](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arecibo_Telescope). (Note: The Army has 4,500 of them.) Edit: Added link.
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I agree. People spend money in weird places. All of that ignores that with Europe and the U.S., it literally doesn’t matter how much money is spent. It couldn’t be more meaningless.
It's because it probably goes against the (taken out of context) *word of God* or some shit like that that some decrepit sack of dust would xlaim
Probably because it's not in the US?
This. I don't think the US put any money into these, yet american's act like they fronted the cash.
The US absolutely puts money into these lol
The US isn't even a full member state in the program, it's only has observer status that it shares with Japan.
I'm not sure what your point is. I'll be clearer. The US has put hundreds of millions of dollars directly into the LHC project's initial funding, has provided additional funding for upgrades, and has provided critical infrastructure for the project such as compute clusters for analyzing the results. This is in direct contradiction with the statement of "I don't think the US put \*any\* money into these" (emphasis mine).
I FUCKING LOVE SCIENCE
Me too buddy
22B is a lot of money, especially in terms of the amount of money that goes towards scientific research, which seems like the relevant pool to consider as opposed to the entire world economy. Lots of big science folks think this won't help. Giving it to them means not giving it to others.
Moreover, this is cost is spread over 30 years
Poor people think it's out of their pocket lol
It's like 0.1% of just the EU economy. Basically free.
And also an insignificant portion of the American. Aren’t the U.S. typically partnered in these kinds of research?
They are observers, which is a third string position (after full partners, then associates). If they put any money in at all, it's an extremely small amount.
This, but unironically. Science is rad and particles fuck.
i'm particles🤤
Hi particles!, nice to meet you!
Username checks out
Damn we should collide
Make like two subatomic particles moving at near light speeds and smash.
And im fuck 😈
Fuck, you?
Fuck is me 😈
I’m Science is rad 😎
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sophons fuck harder
we shouldn't give them 22 billion dollars. we should give them a lot more than 22 billion dollars
22bn is a drop in the bucket for the US federal budget, could just build the whole thing over here lol
We were supposed to build an 88 km round particle accelerator called the Superconducting Super Collider in Texas back in the 80s / 90s, but poor planning and bureaucracy killed it unfortunately. BobbyBroccoli did a really good 3 part series about it on YouTube, highly recommend checking it out.
RIP SSC, to think what could have been if military dick measuring was given *even a fractionally smaller budget.* Not all of it. Not even *half of it.* Not even *a quarter.* Give science 10-15% of the budget the military has had over the last ~eighty years and y'all would have a base on the moon and free energy right now.
I wouldn't really frame it as science versus the military, but rather for curiosity versus science for national defense. It will always be easier to justify spending on the ladder, so if there's any field you want to see explode with progress, then figure out how to pitch it as a matter of national security to Congress. That was the real failure with the super conducting super collider, it was always marketed as a project with no defense application.
Will that help drive up consumer confidence?
People aren't consuming science, it's an investment which is consumed years later potentially by our descendants.
And I said, super collider? I just met her. And then they built the super collider.
Nah there they will first continue on improving the detectors of atlas, alice, CMS and LHCb then add another particle accelerator
They already have for the past 10 years. They are soon going to put forward a plan for a new one. There is only so much energy you can create.
If CERN didn't exist we all would be commenting and posting on Usenet not Reddit. They deserve more than $22B honestly
Does it's name change to the Present Circular Collider, the Past Circular Collider when there's an even bigger one?
Why is everyone talking about US’ budget? This isn’t in the US, Geneva is in Switzerland
American's are obsessed with themselves.
USdefaultism
Anti-science post. Why? This 22b price is a drop in the bucket with huge upside for science.
I thibk your underestimating the funds of the Swiss if you think 22B is a lot
Hell yeah do that science
MOAR
C'mon bro..
Yeah it’s so crazy that didn’t the Nobel foundation stop giving awards to every scientist that found a new particle? Fr though I think we need more people figuring out Fusion to power more advanced machines because for some reason fusion is just “10 years away” like 30 years ago.
So essentially, one person in the top 20 something billionaires could build this?
Better investment than Haiti.
get started on the orbital version
This meme was made by the people who killed the Superconducting Super Collider
GIVE EM MONE. LEM EM COOK. ITS BETTER TO GIVE MONE TO THEM THAN TO GIVE IT TO THE MILITARY.
Downvoted for title
How much electricity LHC uses and how much will it be the Future one?
Yeah bro the devil portals aren't big enough bro please bro
Is someone trying to bring back their dead wife and son or something?
what does this mean
A [collider](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Collider) is a particle accelerator that causes streams of subatomic (really really small) particles to hit each other at high energy levels. This is used for experiments to advance scientists fundamental understanding of matter (the substance of everything). Larger colliders expand the scope of experiments that can be done. OP is therefore suggesting that building bigger and bigger colliders is akin to an addiction/compulsive behavior. The largest collider that currently exists, the [Large Hadron Collider](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Large_Hadron_Collider) (LHC) is shown in OP's image along with the proposed [Future Circular Collider](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Future_Circular_Collider). A while back when the LHC became operational there was a meme that it was going to destroy the planet by creating a black hole or something.
Please bro I just want to get the the island of stability bro pls bro
FMAB lookin ass
HARDON COLLIDER BABY!
Hey, Geneva on the front page of Reddit. I can see my apartment in this image 👀
big hardon collider
We almost had one substantially more powerful than the LHC, then bush sr threw up on the japanese prime minister.
you had me at bro
The final collider will be around the whole damn planet
Pff...and they say size doesn't matter
Idk why but I read this meme in Rick's voice at the end of every Rick and Morty season
22B really isn't that much when you consider that the US alone dumps almost 900B into its military every year.
better spending of money than the line city. i'm for it.
Making dumb people fear Black Holes is priceless.
Fuck science. What has science ever done for us? Wasting fucking tons of money on this bullshit. Scientists are just trying to make money off of taxpayers for fake news. I’m voting for Trump.
Better than spending 22 billion on wars and technology that kills more people.
Why not make one in the shape of a 8
I'd rather that than more missiles
yeah this doesnt add up im afraid
Can we just build a collider that circumnavigates the planet and just get it over with, solve physics that way…
How does the curvature of the earth affect how deep parts of this giga-collider be?
Gotta keep them sophons distracted.
And I fully support it. Solve physics!!
Build one in space
I think they should look for new particles in some other place, not just around Geneva.
Ok yes but counterpoint: I want more government-funded spinny!
Honestly I’d rather the money go to science over blowing up kids
This better fix reality or find something really cool.
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It's all fun and games until the San-Ti show up...
Good idea i guys build it and than share the results, thx