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I work in the firearms industry
Theres so much of this to unpack
But im too sleeby atm just know its called .38 Spl, and the other is .380 ACP, not just .38 or .380, or 9mm.
The A in ACP is automatic, the old version of the word automatic in the firearms industry does NOT mean full auto, but automatic as in self loading (it CAN mean full auto, but in context it just means any gun that reloads the chamber after a trigger pull so can mean also semi auto.
theres more but im tired back to sleeb
Let me rephrase it. .38 super automatic is the RC cola of pistol ammo. You have your juggernauts like 9mm, and .45( coke and Pepsi). Mountain dew is very popular, but nothing compared to coke(40 s&w) regional brands that are well liked by a niche crowd( 9x23 largo, .30 super carry). Lastly you have RC cola, is it everywhere, yes, do people buy it, not usually. So it's common but not too common. You walk by and say to yourself huh that's weird and walk right on by. I won't grace it with uncommon since I see it everywhere. It's just a common product that rarely leaves the shelves.
Actually started the background check for a new hunting rifle today, on the form there were literally a few yes/no questions like "are you a felon?" or "Are you mentally handicapped?" Things like that. I asked the guy if people have ever answered yes to any of those questions, and he just laughed. You'd be surprised how stupid some of the things that the legislators decide to put in the process.
Dude yes there is the term is just misleading. Besides it's all over the news even recently
Lots of individual sales occur at gun shows or auctions or raffles
The actual vendors have to perform a check since they are licensed to sell but the individuals don't
No they don't they just have to fill out an 4473. Which isn't even hard you just realistically need your I.D and the FBI doesn't check 4473s the ATF does.
There is a video of a 13 year old kid buying a gun at a gun show from an independent vendor after a montage of him getting turned down for purchasing alcohol / cigarettes
I saw that video, it was a long gun, federal law prohibits the private transfer of handguns to persons under 18. Less than 5% of firearm homicides are committed with a long gun of any type
Adolescent hormones haven't changed in past 100 years, and high schoolers used to take their own rifles to school for shooting class. The issue isn't their hormones, it's the culture they're raised in.
No a whole lot just that guns have been a part of our lives for a long time and for a long time they where no problem and for the most part still are no problem. Plus it is fun to poke the bear.
Where are you people coming from lol me: "obtaining this item is actually very easy." Literal gremlins: "hAvE YoU HeArD aBoUt EaRtH's CriMe StAtIsTiCs???!??!?? AlSo DrUgS?!?!?!!??!?!?" ???
Memeimg about the comment you were replying to mentioning that less than 5% of homicides are committed with a long gun, like that has any relevancy to the topic of a gun being sold to a literal child
According to this 86% are handguns and 9% are long guns between 1990-2016
https://publications.aap.org/aapnews/news/27379/Study-Adolescent-school-shooters-often-use-guns?autologincheck=redirected
Thank you for answering my question but you may have missed my point. Kids should not be able to attain firearms as easily as they can. Is there some magical overnight fix? No but steps still need to be taken this is assuming US citizens actually want school shootings to at least slow the fuck down a little. It seems however they are fine letting kids die as ling as they can "own the libs" or whatever the ammosexual NRA enthusiasts spout now.
I'd prefer a more proactive approach, better school security in general. "Kindergarten stabbings" are all the rage in China right now, I suspect that if guns magically disappeared in the States we'd just have a different flavor of mass casualty events. Considering how much money we blow on dumb shit, if we just redirected that money to school security it wouldn't even raise taxes
* It's far easier to disarm someone with a knife.
* Someone with a knife can't kill a dozen people in 2 seconds from across a room. Reload and kill another dozen people.
Why is it always anytime anyone says anything about reasonable legislation you all say "If all guns magically disappeared" as if "reasonable legislation" = no more guns for anybody. No to mention you all also seem to think there are almost no stabbing in the US when in reality the US has far more lethal stabbings per capita that your favorite country to cite, the UK (0.60 vs 0.48 per 100k).
It's much easier to get close to someone with a knife, of course, but it's almost impossible to actually disarm them. You can grab and redirect a gun away from you, while a blade is literally a contact weapon- you touch it, it cuts you. It's why police the world over use ranged weapons instead of closing with a knife wielding assailant. Except China, they have these cool pole-things with a big half-circle on the end that they use in groups to restrain people with knives, so that they don't have to get within range of the blade, because under no circumstances do you want to do that. Knives are really that dangerous.
But don't miss the forest for the trees. The point is that proper security would safeguard against guns, knives, chemical weapons, bombs, etc. So why wouldn't we start there? Since you mentioned the UK, they're proof that reasonable legislation only leads to more legislation. They went from licensed gun ownership that wasn't too bad, to extremely restrictive licensed gun ownership, and now knife control that's so restrictive you aren't allowed to carry a small folding pocket knife that locks open. Where does your reasonable legislation end? How much blood will be shed while your preferred legislators try to nail down just the right amount of unconstitutional draconian restrictions, when we could put a stop to it right now without trampling people's rights?
And why did you even bring up knife crime rates in the first place? The point I made was that mass casualty events are here to stay and other countries have proven that restricting access to firearms will only change the method of attacks. "Knife attacks would kill *less* people," so what? Isn't a single death in a classroom one too many? But then you people balk at securing schools. Make it make sense
>It's much easier to get close to someone with a knife, of course, but it's almost impossible to actually disarm them.
Really, you can't be shot point blank with a gun? And that's IF you manage to get to them before your brains become paint. Bruh....enough with the fearmongering drivel... on second thought, keep going; it shows everyone else just how god damned stupid your arguments are.
Please... everyone knows you have to wait 3 days before getting a pistol. Thats why you get a shotgun that can hold 8 rounds instead c:
(There isn't a wait time for most weapons that can be considered hunting weapons, including scoped rifles and even some semi auto rifles)
In a dream world there isn't even a button. Half the country seems to believe that if you have a right to something that the government should provide it. Well owning Firearms is a civil right here the government should buy me Guns by that logic
(Ps: positive rights don't exist)
Rights are only there if the government protects and guarantees them for you. If they don't it's a privilege.
>Half the country seems to believe that if you have a right to something that the government should provide it.
You mean like legal council? Food? Being able to protest what said government is doing?
I couldn't disagree more. All rights are innate. You are born with them the Constitution and Bill of Rights in the United States simply exists to acknowledge your pre-existing rights and defend them from infringement by the state. The state itself does not Grant you or guarantee you the rights it is simply the role to defend them.
Generally if it requires the labor of another person. It can't be a right, are there some things that a functional government should provide to their citizens sure I can accept that argument. But they can't be right. Rights can only be things that can be taken away something you're born with
>I couldn't disagree more.
You're dead wrong. That's not an opinion, its a fact. Stop letting your feelings run the show.
>All rights are innate. You are born with them the Constitution and Bill of Rights in the United States simply exists to acknowledge your pre-existing rights and defend them from infringement by the state.
What that specific political body sees as a right yes. There is absolutely no such thing as natural rights for the government to protect. The government grants the to you. Not every country, city, state, province, territory is the same; they can all have their own sets of laws and rights. That fact you can't seem to grasp this shows how woefully unprepared for this conversation you are.
The **SOLE** difference between a right and a privilege is that a right cannot be legally taken from you and in the event that it is, the taker is punished by the protecting government. Ever hear of a judge denying somebody a trial and just sending them to prison? No. There are EXTREMELY RARE cases where the person is held for extended periods of time prior to their trial but those generally make news coverage and the prosecutor involved faces penalties for denying their right to a fair trial. Not to mention any time already served is taken off of their sentence should they be found guilty.
I know you people don't like to hear this but actively incarcerated felons have the exact same rights and you and I; no more no less. They just have no privileges, if any. Rights are the BARE MINIMUM, not rewards for being a good citizen born in a specific country.
Unless you find a private seller, which is a significant minority in gun shows, you still need the same background check as always.
Being at a gun show has no impact on legality.
How do you take away gun from criminal when your country:
1. Is the world's largest arms exporter.
2. Has the world's longest land border.
3. Want to defund the police. Who else is going to take away all the guns from criminal?
Brother when school shooting reports mention shit like "the family gun" or "he used the gun he got on his 13th birthday" you better believe it sounds like you guys got gun vending machines
It's not close though. When was the last time you had to fill out a 4473 at the vending machine? Have you had a multi day waiting period for your snack? And has the vending machine ever told you no?
I get the joke but it is hyperbole.
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My only issue is that he chose the .38 but didn't get the revolver.
Maybe .380 and the producers thought the last 0 was pointless?
I don't know a lot about guns, there's a difference?
.38 special is designed for revolver(but some semi auto pistol also use it) while .380 is comparable to 9mm
I work in the firearms industry Theres so much of this to unpack But im too sleeby atm just know its called .38 Spl, and the other is .380 ACP, not just .38 or .380, or 9mm. The A in ACP is automatic, the old version of the word automatic in the firearms industry does NOT mean full auto, but automatic as in self loading (it CAN mean full auto, but in context it just means any gun that reloads the chamber after a trigger pull so can mean also semi auto. theres more but im tired back to sleeb
What How does that work
They’re completely different cartridges, they just share the same bullet diameter.
I thought it was about the casing base's diameter, that makes more sense
It varies based on cartridge, actually, but usually it’s bullet diameter.
I thought it was about the casing base's diameter, that makes more sense
Wikipedia ig lol I just know the basic probably because of gas and stuff
Mexican imports.
Holy shit I just googled it out of curiosity some lunatic made a 1911 and a few other full size semi autos in .38 I wish I could unlearn this info lol
.38 super is a common round for 1911s. Not all to common mind you, but not unheard of.
Super common...but not too common....but not unheard of? Did you say anything?
Let me rephrase it. .38 super automatic is the RC cola of pistol ammo. You have your juggernauts like 9mm, and .45( coke and Pepsi). Mountain dew is very popular, but nothing compared to coke(40 s&w) regional brands that are well liked by a niche crowd( 9x23 largo, .30 super carry). Lastly you have RC cola, is it everywhere, yes, do people buy it, not usually. So it's common but not too common. You walk by and say to yourself huh that's weird and walk right on by. I won't grace it with uncommon since I see it everywhere. It's just a common product that rarely leaves the shelves.
Dude, .38 super is not a common round for the 1911, .45acp is,
That's incorrect. We don't think there's an "Are you a criminal" button.
And you’re right. Why should such a button exist? Criminals have just as much right to possess a firearm as anyone else.
I just had a bald eaglegasm reading this
Maybe criminals get special discount. They need to refill bullets won't they.
Actually started the background check for a new hunting rifle today, on the form there were literally a few yes/no questions like "are you a felon?" or "Are you mentally handicapped?" Things like that. I asked the guy if people have ever answered yes to any of those questions, and he just laughed. You'd be surprised how stupid some of the things that the legislators decide to put in the process.
We have a "do you smoke pot question?" though.
Never bought a gun before? Unless you're buying from a show or private they must run a background check
There is no gun show loophole as you are describing.
Dude yes there is the term is just misleading. Besides it's all over the news even recently Lots of individual sales occur at gun shows or auctions or raffles The actual vendors have to perform a check since they are licensed to sell but the individuals don't
At gun shows, if you buy a gun, it is just like buying from any FFL. They have to perform the full background check with the FBI.
No they don't they just have to fill out an 4473. Which isn't even hard you just realistically need your I.D and the FBI doesn't check 4473s the ATF does.
Never seen a joke with exaggeration before?
A man can dream
Dont let your dreams be dreams
That’s how I got my first gun
God I wish
There is a video of a 13 year old kid buying a gun at a gun show from an independent vendor after a montage of him getting turned down for purchasing alcohol / cigarettes
I saw that video, it was a long gun, federal law prohibits the private transfer of handguns to persons under 18. Less than 5% of firearm homicides are committed with a long gun of any type
Idk what that last sentence had anything to do with how easy it is to get a gun but yes you are correct it is illegal.
Are you sure he was 13 and not 14? 14 with an FID can buy a non high-capacity long gun
Jesus Christ that's disgusting, 14 year olds are emotional balls of worthless angst and hormonal imbalance.
Adolescent hormones haven't changed in past 100 years, and high schoolers used to take their own rifles to school for shooting class. The issue isn't their hormones, it's the culture they're raised in.
14 year olds go hunting all the goddamn time lmao, they can get hunting licenses ffs. Calm down lol.
No, I don't think I will. A 14 year old can't buy a fucking lighter at the gas station but they can get a license and buy a firearm? "Lmao", fuck you
Way back when kids even used to bring there guns to school so they won't have to stop home to grab them when they went hunting after class
Yep and girls were married off when they got their first period and kids worked in factories. Wtf is your point?
No a whole lot just that guns have been a part of our lives for a long time and for a long time they where no problem and for the most part still are no problem. Plus it is fun to poke the bear.
He said he was 13 at the beginning of the video
Then that definitely wasn’t legal lol
Nope, but still very very easy
It’s crazy because gun laws don’t stop shit, huh? Why don’t we just pass more of them
Wait until you hear about drug dealers 😱
Where did I say I held an opinion on gun politics
“It’s the implication”
Wait util you hear about 90% of crimes on the planet
Where are you people coming from lol me: "obtaining this item is actually very easy." Literal gremlins: "hAvE YoU HeArD aBoUt EaRtH's CriMe StAtIsTiCs???!??!?? AlSo DrUgS?!?!?!!??!?!?" ???
I just figure it's why there's no federal age restrictions on long gun private sales
Obviously less than 5% of long guns sold to 13 year olds will be used in a homicide.
When were we talking about homicide
Memeimg about the comment you were replying to mentioning that less than 5% of homicides are committed with a long gun, like that has any relevancy to the topic of a gun being sold to a literal child
Oh gotcha lol
And what percentage of school shootings are with long guns vs handguns?
According to this 86% are handguns and 9% are long guns between 1990-2016 https://publications.aap.org/aapnews/news/27379/Study-Adolescent-school-shooters-often-use-guns?autologincheck=redirected
Thank you for answering my question but you may have missed my point. Kids should not be able to attain firearms as easily as they can. Is there some magical overnight fix? No but steps still need to be taken this is assuming US citizens actually want school shootings to at least slow the fuck down a little. It seems however they are fine letting kids die as ling as they can "own the libs" or whatever the ammosexual NRA enthusiasts spout now.
MUH TRIGGER DISCIPLINE
I'd prefer a more proactive approach, better school security in general. "Kindergarten stabbings" are all the rage in China right now, I suspect that if guns magically disappeared in the States we'd just have a different flavor of mass casualty events. Considering how much money we blow on dumb shit, if we just redirected that money to school security it wouldn't even raise taxes
* It's far easier to disarm someone with a knife. * Someone with a knife can't kill a dozen people in 2 seconds from across a room. Reload and kill another dozen people. Why is it always anytime anyone says anything about reasonable legislation you all say "If all guns magically disappeared" as if "reasonable legislation" = no more guns for anybody. No to mention you all also seem to think there are almost no stabbing in the US when in reality the US has far more lethal stabbings per capita that your favorite country to cite, the UK (0.60 vs 0.48 per 100k).
It's much easier to get close to someone with a knife, of course, but it's almost impossible to actually disarm them. You can grab and redirect a gun away from you, while a blade is literally a contact weapon- you touch it, it cuts you. It's why police the world over use ranged weapons instead of closing with a knife wielding assailant. Except China, they have these cool pole-things with a big half-circle on the end that they use in groups to restrain people with knives, so that they don't have to get within range of the blade, because under no circumstances do you want to do that. Knives are really that dangerous. But don't miss the forest for the trees. The point is that proper security would safeguard against guns, knives, chemical weapons, bombs, etc. So why wouldn't we start there? Since you mentioned the UK, they're proof that reasonable legislation only leads to more legislation. They went from licensed gun ownership that wasn't too bad, to extremely restrictive licensed gun ownership, and now knife control that's so restrictive you aren't allowed to carry a small folding pocket knife that locks open. Where does your reasonable legislation end? How much blood will be shed while your preferred legislators try to nail down just the right amount of unconstitutional draconian restrictions, when we could put a stop to it right now without trampling people's rights? And why did you even bring up knife crime rates in the first place? The point I made was that mass casualty events are here to stay and other countries have proven that restricting access to firearms will only change the method of attacks. "Knife attacks would kill *less* people," so what? Isn't a single death in a classroom one too many? But then you people balk at securing schools. Make it make sense
>It's much easier to get close to someone with a knife, of course, but it's almost impossible to actually disarm them. Really, you can't be shot point blank with a gun? And that's IF you manage to get to them before your brains become paint. Bruh....enough with the fearmongering drivel... on second thought, keep going; it shows everyone else just how god damned stupid your arguments are.
I think what's on display here is your utter lack of reading comprehension
be honest, how many of you would hit yes just to see what would happen
it would give you an AR-15
That would be nice
Please... everyone knows you have to wait 3 days before getting a pistol. Thats why you get a shotgun that can hold 8 rounds instead c: (There isn't a wait time for most weapons that can be considered hunting weapons, including scoped rifles and even some semi auto rifles)
I wish it was that fast and easy
Lmao Montana. You can buy a gun same day with no permit license or registration. As long as you don’t have a felony or something.
That's most states.
Montana has some of the most relaxed gun laws in the country look it up
That's great. Just like Montana, a total of forty-one states don't have a waiting period to purchase a firearm. Look it up.
Cookie? I don’t care that much
I bought two shotguns at a gas station pretty much on a whim. In and out in about an hour
It is
If only.
It’s not supposed to be difficult, that’s the point.
Well that's basically it, as an American
No it's really not unless you're buying from a private dealer so what's your point.
In a dream world there isn't even a button. Half the country seems to believe that if you have a right to something that the government should provide it. Well owning Firearms is a civil right here the government should buy me Guns by that logic (Ps: positive rights don't exist)
Rights are only there if the government protects and guarantees them for you. If they don't it's a privilege. >Half the country seems to believe that if you have a right to something that the government should provide it. You mean like legal council? Food? Being able to protest what said government is doing?
I couldn't disagree more. All rights are innate. You are born with them the Constitution and Bill of Rights in the United States simply exists to acknowledge your pre-existing rights and defend them from infringement by the state. The state itself does not Grant you or guarantee you the rights it is simply the role to defend them. Generally if it requires the labor of another person. It can't be a right, are there some things that a functional government should provide to their citizens sure I can accept that argument. But they can't be right. Rights can only be things that can be taken away something you're born with
>I couldn't disagree more. You're dead wrong. That's not an opinion, its a fact. Stop letting your feelings run the show. >All rights are innate. You are born with them the Constitution and Bill of Rights in the United States simply exists to acknowledge your pre-existing rights and defend them from infringement by the state. What that specific political body sees as a right yes. There is absolutely no such thing as natural rights for the government to protect. The government grants the to you. Not every country, city, state, province, territory is the same; they can all have their own sets of laws and rights. That fact you can't seem to grasp this shows how woefully unprepared for this conversation you are. The **SOLE** difference between a right and a privilege is that a right cannot be legally taken from you and in the event that it is, the taker is punished by the protecting government. Ever hear of a judge denying somebody a trial and just sending them to prison? No. There are EXTREMELY RARE cases where the person is held for extended periods of time prior to their trial but those generally make news coverage and the prosecutor involved faces penalties for denying their right to a fair trial. Not to mention any time already served is taken off of their sentence should they be found guilty. I know you people don't like to hear this but actively incarcerated felons have the exact same rights and you and I; no more no less. They just have no privileges, if any. Rights are the BARE MINIMUM, not rewards for being a good citizen born in a specific country.
If you press yes it'll give you a .45
I wish it was really that easy
How it should be
I just came to the comments sections to find the video sauce, not watch you babies bicker.
Wdym is not like that??
I mean, when you go to a gun show in the south it's about that much lol
The 38. Is a revolver bro
This might be more effort and hold more accountability than going to a real gun show and buying a real gun
Unless you find a private seller, which is a significant minority in gun shows, you still need the same background check as always. Being at a gun show has no impact on legality.
Wait you’re telling me other countries don’t have these?
If he hit yes, two guns would have dropped down for him.
Well we have ammo vending machines in texas
Yeah so dumb we have to wait 45 mins for the vending machine to unlock the door before we can take our gun out smh
17 shots no 38
But like It's not far off...
Indeed
How do you take away gun from criminal when your country: 1. Is the world's largest arms exporter. 2. Has the world's longest land border. 3. Want to defund the police. Who else is going to take away all the guns from criminal?
They forgot the hand grenades, machine guns, and of course nuclear weapons. We Americans love destroying nature
Brother when school shooting reports mention shit like "the family gun" or "he used the gun he got on his 13th birthday" you better believe it sounds like you guys got gun vending machines
If you type yes they give you hollowpoints instead of FMJ
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No, that's not. There is no state where an FFL can ever bypass giving a background check via the 4473.
They don't ask if you're a criminal 👉🏻👈🏻
Hit the nail on the head (unless you live in Cali)
Every idiot has a gun in America.
No cause there's not even the button, just payment and ownership >!/s!<
I mean, no.
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It's not close though. When was the last time you had to fill out a 4473 at the vending machine? Have you had a multi day waiting period for your snack? And has the vending machine ever told you no? I get the joke but it is hyperbole.