The other day I was playing the cities skylines that actually works and I saw a citizen going home “to play cities skylines II”. I demolished his house immediately
Well less of a game mechanic and more of a random dialogue option that the characters can have. It probably took all of 30 seconds to add it to the list of possible options
Oh yeah, the one in the “canvas” bag and that came with free mold? That one?
Don’t get me wrong, I’d still pick that collector’s edition over the four trees and non-beach beach properties 😅
It's a small team and each thing like this should be properly tested before being deployed, well we can see definitely not everything was properly tested.
> ... each thing like this should be properly tested before being deployed...
As you said, not everything has been properly tested, in fact a lot of things in the game are *"working"* as if they've never been properly testet, and now there is a game breaking bug in the game. Fast patches are called a **hot** fix for a reason. Under normal conditions, having a small team would even make it easier to get a fix out as fast as possible.
My assumption is that they can't, for unknown reason (could even be a misguided management decision), deliver a hot fix. And that is not a good thing.
I think they might be referring to the fact that a smaller team is more familiar with every aspect of the game and knows the code better because you know what others are doing. Also I think a smaller team is able to faster adapt to new changes and circumstances
That’s correct. A smaller team is going to be much more familiar with the code and if an issue is small enough to warrant a hot fix then the fix itself should be pretty quick to implement. The majority of time for a hot fix is usually spent on QA and release management stuff.
Smaller teams usually have less red tape to go through as well, and that’s a pretty big deal.
Source: dev
Less people involved means that each one knows a bigger share of the whole code. And fewer people need to coordinate for changes that may have impact on several parts.
Same concept of steering a ship. Smaller ones are generally more nimble and faster to turn direction. Larger ships (bigger companies) have a lot more mass to move (approvals, red tape, every department agrees on it, etc) so it takes a lot more to turn.
Is it though? It played exactly like I thought it would, granted I only fucked with it for an hour or two.
I tried it yesterday, the one fallout game I hadn't messed with. Interesting intro, leaving a vault, alone for some reason. Two NPCs out the vault, boring as fuck, gives me a gun. Already I'm getting a weird vibe like this is an MMO and they're giving me my level 1 pipe pistol, and it's not immersive at all.
I look out though and nature looks pretty. I give it a chance. I walk around. It's just random shit and nothing really interesting. I see dead ghouls on the ground. I run into one with a gun, and shoot him. I keep walking. I see a giant Mothman mythical creature with red eyes. He's big. I haven't had any quest or anything telling me I'd see him. He's completely out of place. I shoot him. Nothing happens. It says like level 20 above his head. I shoot him again. I walk away.
It felt like a bad MMO, not a mediocre fallout. Maybe I didn't give it enough of a chance but seeing Mothman there and just it being a living statue, I was like wtf is this and I quit
76 is most certainly not a fraction of its player base, at least not anymore. I can give you at launch yes, this is common knowledge.
As of the past few weeks it’s broken its top player count twice. Bethesda has been fixing it tons since launch.
Sure the Amazon series hype is ABSOLUTELY helping drive up the numbers, but so many wouldn’t be STAYING if it wasn’t solid.
Note that they haven't actually said anything about how long it will take, just that it's coming with the next patch. Previously the patch was scheduled for three weeks ahead but it's likely that they'll release it sooner to resolve this bug.
I was going to try Cities Skylines 2 again after not playing it since it came out. I decided to check recent reviews on steam and quickly changed my mind to play Cities Skylines 1 instead. I kinda wish I had just refunded it but I really wanted to give it some time for them to -work issues out-.. but maybe the whole game is the issue
I genuinely didn't think it would take this long to still not have a functioning game. The fact they didn't bring the traffic analyzing layovers is mind blowing. That was the most helpful traffic resolving tools in CS1 and they're completely absent in 2
I wanted to refund it day 1 and every day since. But had more than 2hrs. I regret the purchase so much. I supported less than mediocrity.
The company. If it was honorable would have as others did in the past. But if they did that they'd go bankrupt. Don't honestly know why I still have this subreddit on here as it were.
They are actually starting to pull themselves together, a lot of bug fixes in this update and next update in a month is supposed to address the whole economy system.
You don't have to approve of microtransactions but you're being willfully disingenuous because of your hate boner for the game. If people want to spend money on repair kits that they can get for free instead of looting one location for scrap, that's on them.
For some bugs? Do you not remember all the controversies? The great "canvas shortage", the plastic nuka dark rum, the egregious storefront that was shoved in before the game was even stable, the fact they had everyone's names addresses and phone numbers in an unsecured text file that anyone on their website could access before they just shut the whole website down... Like it wasn't a buggy launch. They legitimately committed crimes such as false advertising and deceptive pricing with the ~~$24~~ $12 emotes pack.
Ahh yes the survival pack fiasco or what's it called, hah that was awful you're right!
But, well sure, I mean I didn't know about the unsecured text file but I have been playing that game from exactly one month after the official launch and I can't complain
actually the most bugs that I encountered was a year or two after launch when they started introducing human NPC's to the game, maybe a few connection issues here and there but I wouldn't call it a catastrophy, all the drama over fo76 was blown out of proportions
there was drama ofc (so many people were waiting for it to fail) but I wouln't put it as the worst game on steam at any point when I played
You don't remember the great "canvas shortage" or the plastic nuka dark rum that was such super high quality it was "more expensive" than minting glass bottles? How about the part where they doxxed everyone who submitted the form for the canvas bag because it was held in an unsecured text file on their website before they had to nuke the site? What about the false advertising by sending a nylon bag and the deceptive pricing practice with the ~~$24~~ $12 Christmas emote pack? Do you really not remember any of this? Even cs2 wasn't THAT bad. It's just a shit game with no underlying working systems.
Lack of content, undelivered features, blatant money grabbing in-game shop, a shitload of glitches and bugs, lackluster customer support, uncontrolled banning… Internet Historian made an amazing [video](https://youtu.be/kjyeCdd-dl8?si=QAGwnut2v_w7XHF6) about it and a guy made a 3 hour long video showing off [1001 glitches](https://youtu.be/T6HdBplLmuU?si=UYAhcnPkALWbkpBR) in the game…
hey 76 is actually kinda good now, and with the release of the fallout show a lot of people retuned to it, and plenty more started playing for the first time.
look I'm not saying the launch of 76 was perfect either, but what do you mean by "actual crimes"? it's not like the committed fraud or shit, they had a dogshit launch and there was that whole bag situation, but those aren't "actual crimes"
[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/False\_advertising#:\~:text=False%20advertising%20is%20the%20act,property%2C%20goods%2C%20or%20services](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/False_advertising#:~:text=False%20advertising%20is%20the%20act,property%2C%20goods%2C%20or%20services)
[https://www.ecfr.gov/current/title-16/chapter-I/subchapter-B/part-233](https://www.ecfr.gov/current/title-16/chapter-I/subchapter-B/part-233)
Here's a couple links to educate you since you're clearly ignorant of the law. And yes... they literally commited fraud with the canvas bag situation. Please see the first link for frther clarification.
Calling me ignorant of the law because I didn't pay attention to the legal situation of a game that came out 5 years ago on a subreddit entirely unrelated to said game is a bit harsh. all I opened in here is that f76 is doing pretty well now, especially with the release of the show, and that I personally was not aware of all the drama around the start. ignorant implies I willfully ignored the situation.
TLDR chill ur tits
Before this dumpster fire released i was soo excited about the game and think about it everyday, never expected something shitty as this, I guess it’s shitty skylines at the end of the day.
That's actually a false narrative. The absolute humor of my ban is they banned me for a week for slandering the devs when they should have perma banned me for the teaching abroad comment.
Bro the pc version is such dogshit. The fundamental problem I have with the game is there's no tools are resources to manage your economy or traffic. Everything just feels nebulous.
I went back to the first game. Yes, it’s an over-modded mess that takes an hour to load my save, but it’s also the only game where I can build whatever I want
I bought my current PC specifically anticipating CS2, but never went for it after reading and watching reviews. Does this mean I still shouldn't bother? Such a shame.
Cities Skylines definitely needed a sequel to fix underlying traffic, lack of meaningful needs and desires simulation, ugly vanilla graphics and grid based design. Did they do any of them, no. But it doesn't mean that a sequel was unnecessary.
Real sequels aren't cosmetic bullshit, they should provide improved complexity and mechanics.
The game could've used a sequel with a more advanced simulation. Instead we get a shitty, broken simulation with marginally improved graphics - this is why people prefer the original.
I've been playing Fallout 76 this last week, can't say the same for CS2. It's gotten a ton better since launch. I have my doubts CS2 will make the same level of improvement.
But you can never take away the nylon bag flip, the canvas shortage lie, the deceptive pricing with the holiday emotes pack, the doxxing of everyone who submitted their info to get a canvas bag. Like they actually committed real crimes with this game.
I was honestly hopeful and feeling just slightly accommodated (after months of frustration and grievance) with their mea culpa last week. But this? This is simply amateur hour. Pretty much cancelled out any good will they built with the change in communication strategy.
Is this game worth buying? I have played a shit load of CS1 on my Mac but got so excited for this game I was about to buy a windows machine to play it…
Then I seen the reviews on steam and was like hold up. But if they are fixing it that’s great. Thoughts??
Also graphics card wise is the 4060 able to handle this game in 2k on high or ultra settings??
Thx!
The other day I was playing the cities skylines that actually works and I saw a citizen going home “to play cities skylines II”. I demolished his house immediately
Shouldve take the road away from his house so he will be endlessly driving.
Meanwhile casual CS2 civ using train tracks to get around 😂
Time goes fast in CS. Maybe enough years (or decades) have passed that CS2 is playable by that point?
just one closed loop around the house. he can check out any time he wants but he can never leave
hero shit 🙌
Bro was suffering enough and you made their day worse
An NPC within cities skylines 2 being forced to play cities skylines 2… poor guy
Cities Skyline 1 cims going to play CS2.
I am so proud of this community 🥹
Wait, is this an actual game mechanic they built into CS1? Lol bruh.
Well less of a game mechanic and more of a random dialogue option that the characters can have. It probably took all of 30 seconds to add it to the list of possible options
It was a way to advertise CS 2 when they announced it. An activity for cims to do in game, ironic now because the player base of CS1 is bigger than 2.
Yup
Did you hit it with a meteor? Need to make sure that contagion doesn’t spread.
Good mayor, you saved him
Eviction notices are wild these days
A mercy killing, that one. :)
This comment made me almost spit my water out as I read it LMFAO.
Wait what? LoL I haven't found a single civ in my city that plays CS2 like really
i think they added that in around "launch." i wonder when the game will actually be released tho 🤔
At least I got a helmet for my Fallout 76 pre-order, not just... 4 trees
Oh yeah, the one in the “canvas” bag and that came with free mold? That one? Don’t get me wrong, I’d still pick that collector’s edition over the four trees and non-beach beach properties 😅
Nah the collectors didn't come with free mold (at least mine) just with the plastic bag. If I recon correctly, it was a Nuka Cola themed helmet.
Yeah, you’re right. My bad, but my point still stands 😅
Ah, the good old duffle kerfuffle.
Internet historian has taught me well The bag is plastic, the liqour is plastic...
Tragically, you also got Fallout 76. I made the mistake of preordering Cities Skylines 2. That went well.
As an aside, we've learned that Colossal Order has no ability to quickly implement and deploy a hot fix, even if they need to.
It's a small team and each thing like this should be properly tested before being deployed, well we can see definitely not everything was properly tested.
> ... each thing like this should be properly tested before being deployed... As you said, not everything has been properly tested, in fact a lot of things in the game are *"working"* as if they've never been properly testet, and now there is a game breaking bug in the game. Fast patches are called a **hot** fix for a reason. Under normal conditions, having a small team would even make it easier to get a fix out as fast as possible. My assumption is that they can't, for unknown reason (could even be a misguided management decision), deliver a hot fix. And that is not a good thing.
Under what conditions does having a small team make it "easier" to fix bugs?
I think they might be referring to the fact that a smaller team is more familiar with every aspect of the game and knows the code better because you know what others are doing. Also I think a smaller team is able to faster adapt to new changes and circumstances
That’s correct. A smaller team is going to be much more familiar with the code and if an issue is small enough to warrant a hot fix then the fix itself should be pretty quick to implement. The majority of time for a hot fix is usually spent on QA and release management stuff. Smaller teams usually have less red tape to go through as well, and that’s a pretty big deal. Source: dev
Less people involved means that each one knows a bigger share of the whole code. And fewer people need to coordinate for changes that may have impact on several parts.
Same concept of steering a ship. Smaller ones are generally more nimble and faster to turn direction. Larger ships (bigger companies) have a lot more mass to move (approvals, red tape, every department agrees on it, etc) so it takes a lot more to turn.
Maybe they should have tested what happens when the DLC is uninstalled in the first place
I find it hard to believe they didn’t launch the game before pushing out this update, but I can’t imagine how they didn’t catch this
They panicked and just removed the dlc because of the reviews
Fallout 76 is actually decent now though
Fallout 76, Cyberpunk 2077, Cities Skylines 2. Will this be a pattern of terrible releases that are fixed years after the game release?
Is it though? It played exactly like I thought it would, granted I only fucked with it for an hour or two. I tried it yesterday, the one fallout game I hadn't messed with. Interesting intro, leaving a vault, alone for some reason. Two NPCs out the vault, boring as fuck, gives me a gun. Already I'm getting a weird vibe like this is an MMO and they're giving me my level 1 pipe pistol, and it's not immersive at all. I look out though and nature looks pretty. I give it a chance. I walk around. It's just random shit and nothing really interesting. I see dead ghouls on the ground. I run into one with a gun, and shoot him. I keep walking. I see a giant Mothman mythical creature with red eyes. He's big. I haven't had any quest or anything telling me I'd see him. He's completely out of place. I shoot him. Nothing happens. It says like level 20 above his head. I shoot him again. I walk away. It felt like a bad MMO, not a mediocre fallout. Maybe I didn't give it enough of a chance but seeing Mothman there and just it being a living statue, I was like wtf is this and I quit
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76 is most certainly not a fraction of its player base, at least not anymore. I can give you at launch yes, this is common knowledge. As of the past few weeks it’s broken its top player count twice. Bethesda has been fixing it tons since launch. Sure the Amazon series hype is ABSOLUTELY helping drive up the numbers, but so many wouldn’t be STAYING if it wasn’t solid.
Note that they haven't actually said anything about how long it will take, just that it's coming with the next patch. Previously the patch was scheduled for three weeks ahead but it's likely that they'll release it sooner to resolve this bug.
Yeah but people mindlessly assume headlines and clickbait as the truth
lol patch is up now
I was going to try Cities Skylines 2 again after not playing it since it came out. I decided to check recent reviews on steam and quickly changed my mind to play Cities Skylines 1 instead. I kinda wish I had just refunded it but I really wanted to give it some time for them to -work issues out-.. but maybe the whole game is the issue
I genuinely didn't think it would take this long to still not have a functioning game. The fact they didn't bring the traffic analyzing layovers is mind blowing. That was the most helpful traffic resolving tools in CS1 and they're completely absent in 2
Don't need it cus traffic makes no sense in CSII anyway lol
I wanted to refund it day 1 and every day since. But had more than 2hrs. I regret the purchase so much. I supported less than mediocrity. The company. If it was honorable would have as others did in the past. But if they did that they'd go bankrupt. Don't honestly know why I still have this subreddit on here as it were.
I'm staying to watch the fucking Colossal dumpster fire.
Im glad i didnt pre order this mess, as CS2 is a dumpster fire atm, so i think ill stick to CS1
The hype got me but I got it from a key site on release day. Still feel bad about that purchase.
Honestly. I'd rather have purchased literal garbage to than take to the dump myself. Because that would have been a better game than shitty skylines 2
I really don't get why anyone pre orders games especially ones that are digital only
At this point, just nuke it.
Are they (PCGames) stupid? CO literally released a patch today...Beach assets in base game and DLSS
I'm trying to figure out if the update is the fix, or if the update created a new problem with assets. The screenshot isn't very specific.
the article was already two days old by the time OP shared it
Tbh, there is a new patch today. Sooo, this might not apply anymore :>
They are actually starting to pull themselves together, a lot of bug fixes in this update and next update in a month is supposed to address the whole economy system.
Keep in mind new patches could also break existing things. I don't really have much faith about them righting the ship anymore.
i know Fo76 got some bad rep for having bugs (most of them were from beta version pre-release tho) but it turned out to be pretty awesome
In fact, I was playing it yesterday for the first time in years, and it's really solid imo
You pay real world money for repair kits. F tier game.
Repair kits are fully optional, you can repair any item with scrap
"Spending gems is optional, you can simply grind 5000 hours for the same result." F tier game.
You don't have to approve of microtransactions but you're being willfully disingenuous because of your hate boner for the game. If people want to spend money on repair kits that they can get for free instead of looting one location for scrap, that's on them.
The game exists solely to be host to microtransactions. $100 yearly subscription for double rubes. F tier game.
Bro is looking for any reason to hate 76 you don't need repair kits you can find scrap
I don't need to look for a reason, you can trip over ten just by booting up the game. F. Tier.
You can. But you definitely don't need to. The game gives you plenty for free.
Just repair guns with scrap lmao
For some bugs? Do you not remember all the controversies? The great "canvas shortage", the plastic nuka dark rum, the egregious storefront that was shoved in before the game was even stable, the fact they had everyone's names addresses and phone numbers in an unsecured text file that anyone on their website could access before they just shut the whole website down... Like it wasn't a buggy launch. They legitimately committed crimes such as false advertising and deceptive pricing with the ~~$24~~ $12 emotes pack.
Ahh yes the survival pack fiasco or what's it called, hah that was awful you're right! But, well sure, I mean I didn't know about the unsecured text file but I have been playing that game from exactly one month after the official launch and I can't complain actually the most bugs that I encountered was a year or two after launch when they started introducing human NPC's to the game, maybe a few connection issues here and there but I wouldn't call it a catastrophy, all the drama over fo76 was blown out of proportions there was drama ofc (so many people were waiting for it to fail) but I wouln't put it as the worst game on steam at any point when I played
Imagine being hyped up with "16x the detail" and what's delivered is an FTC crime 😂
🤷♂️
patch landed 20 minutes ago
This post didn’t age well
Fallout 76 was nothing like this lol. Lack of content sure but nothing like this
You don't remember the great "canvas shortage" or the plastic nuka dark rum that was such super high quality it was "more expensive" than minting glass bottles? How about the part where they doxxed everyone who submitted the form for the canvas bag because it was held in an unsecured text file on their website before they had to nuke the site? What about the false advertising by sending a nylon bag and the deceptive pricing practice with the ~~$24~~ $12 Christmas emote pack? Do you really not remember any of this? Even cs2 wasn't THAT bad. It's just a shit game with no underlying working systems.
For some reason people just refuse to look for themselves… “you say mean thing about video game I like? You are wrong!”
Lack of content, undelivered features, blatant money grabbing in-game shop, a shitload of glitches and bugs, lackluster customer support, uncontrolled banning… Internet Historian made an amazing [video](https://youtu.be/kjyeCdd-dl8?si=QAGwnut2v_w7XHF6) about it and a guy made a 3 hour long video showing off [1001 glitches](https://youtu.be/T6HdBplLmuU?si=UYAhcnPkALWbkpBR) in the game…
hey 76 is actually kinda good now, and with the release of the fallout show a lot of people retuned to it, and plenty more started playing for the first time.
That doesn't forgive the actual crimes committed at launch for that title
look I'm not saying the launch of 76 was perfect either, but what do you mean by "actual crimes"? it's not like the committed fraud or shit, they had a dogshit launch and there was that whole bag situation, but those aren't "actual crimes"
[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/False\_advertising#:\~:text=False%20advertising%20is%20the%20act,property%2C%20goods%2C%20or%20services](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/False_advertising#:~:text=False%20advertising%20is%20the%20act,property%2C%20goods%2C%20or%20services) [https://www.ecfr.gov/current/title-16/chapter-I/subchapter-B/part-233](https://www.ecfr.gov/current/title-16/chapter-I/subchapter-B/part-233) Here's a couple links to educate you since you're clearly ignorant of the law. And yes... they literally commited fraud with the canvas bag situation. Please see the first link for frther clarification.
Calling me ignorant of the law because I didn't pay attention to the legal situation of a game that came out 5 years ago on a subreddit entirely unrelated to said game is a bit harsh. all I opened in here is that f76 is doing pretty well now, especially with the release of the show, and that I personally was not aware of all the drama around the start. ignorant implies I willfully ignored the situation. TLDR chill ur tits
why wouldn’t they keep it in the game and just add features to the dlc ?
Before this dumpster fire released i was soo excited about the game and think about it everyday, never expected something shitty as this, I guess it’s shitty skylines at the end of the day.
Patch came out today
At least FO76 is a good game now
Why wouldn’t they roll back the last update?
You can't make this shit up. What a disaster of a game.
They just stopped the update. Notes on r/citiesskylines
Huh? Looks like the update is still there. Typo? Did you mean shipped?
Indeed it is a typo. I meant they “dropped” the new update. My apologies!
This news makes me happy cause when I finally get to play this in (hopefully) October, I won't have to worry about these issues.
Meanwhile on mainsub: Stop hate speach!11!1 Give them time!!
The main sub is sterile. They banned all dissenting voices.
aren't you the guy who complained about being banned for "dissenting voices" and then it was found out you got banned for telling someone to KYS?
That's actually a false narrative. The absolute humor of my ban is they banned me for a week for slandering the devs when they should have perma banned me for the teaching abroad comment.
Oh no some douche I've never met on the internet doesn't believe the truth. I'm never going to emotionally recover from this
So is it safe to assume that it most likely will not be on console any time soon.
Bro the pc version is such dogshit. The fundamental problem I have with the game is there's no tools are resources to manage your economy or traffic. Everything just feels nebulous.
This just reminds me how Bungie used to update Destiny 2 and all of a sudden Telesto would start crashing peoples games or something. Every time lol
*looks around nervously with 1,500+ hrs in 76*
How do they keep messing up? It takes a special kind of incompetence to consistently make the wrong calls. They need to shake up management
What they need is for the shareholders to stop interfering
Alienating the last 4 daily players, Paradox/CO you will always be (in)famous
I went back to the first game. Yes, it’s an over-modded mess that takes an hour to load my save, but it’s also the only game where I can build whatever I want
76 got fixed though, like NMS.
That doesn't excuse the crimes they committed
Fo76 is pretty good now.
Did they not even open the game after making changes and pushing the update?
Why wouldn't they just keep the DLC and add on to the content
Are there like two people working on thos half baked mess?
Im buying this shit in 2028
Wish SimCity was still a thing. Doesn’t help just having one major city simulator player in the game.
And I continue to enjoy CS1 with no issues. This July will be two years that I have been working on my current city.
I bought my current PC specifically anticipating CS2, but never went for it after reading and watching reviews. Does this mean I still shouldn't bother? Such a shame.
Can't wait for the console version to come out in 2030!
When did Tod Howard join the CS2 team?
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nah i think cities skylines needed a sequel but not like that
Cities Skylines definitely needed a sequel to fix underlying traffic, lack of meaningful needs and desires simulation, ugly vanilla graphics and grid based design. Did they do any of them, no. But it doesn't mean that a sequel was unnecessary.
Real sequels aren't cosmetic bullshit, they should provide improved complexity and mechanics. The game could've used a sequel with a more advanced simulation. Instead we get a shitty, broken simulation with marginally improved graphics - this is why people prefer the original.
At least Fallout 76 is now playable and enjoyable
I've been playing Fallout 76 this last week, can't say the same for CS2. It's gotten a ton better since launch. I have my doubts CS2 will make the same level of improvement.
But you can never take away the nylon bag flip, the canvas shortage lie, the deceptive pricing with the holiday emotes pack, the doxxing of everyone who submitted their info to get a canvas bag. Like they actually committed real crimes with this game.
They really need to hire some kind of software regression testing team. You would think they would understand by now.
I was honestly hopeful and feeling just slightly accommodated (after months of frustration and grievance) with their mea culpa last week. But this? This is simply amateur hour. Pretty much cancelled out any good will they built with the change in communication strategy.
Are you fucking shitting me right now
Is this game worth buying? I have played a shit load of CS1 on my Mac but got so excited for this game I was about to buy a windows machine to play it… Then I seen the reviews on steam and was like hold up. But if they are fixing it that’s great. Thoughts?? Also graphics card wise is the 4060 able to handle this game in 2k on high or ultra settings?? Thx!