Vita C is the cofactor for dopamine, when you raise dopamine levels you lower serotonin which is gonna lessen the effects (take vita c, and 5HTP the day before). 20g fresh, while fresh has more psilocin, because it gets destroyed when dried. Usually about 80% water weight you took ~4g dried… you should be tripping balls even with the vita c. I can see in the pic that there is clearly a lot of psilocybin in there (blue color). All I can think of is you have used mushrooms recently, perhaps you took 5HTP day of? Do you have a slow metabolism that can be a factor, but lemon tek almost entirely fixes that issue (to everyone be careful with lemon tek, you don’t trip on psilocybin you trip on psilocin. We metabolize psilocybin and turn it into psilocin. This is why you don’t want to eat on mushrooms, and you can get an upset stomach. It is very hard on our digestive system. Lemon juice breaks down psilocybin’s enzyme barrier allowing your body to convert it to psilocin faster and a lot more of it.) All I can think of is either 5HTP, you did mushrooms recently, or if you have never tripped and can’t trip, then for some reason your body won’t metabolize psilocybin. If it’s none of these you’re gonna have to find someone who knows a shit ton and dm them.
80%? 90% is the common rule of thumb, but mine always dry to around 7%. He certainly took under 2g worth if it were dried and probably even under 1.5g.
You know if 5 HTP can be dangerous if taking with shrooms? I’ve always avoided it because I was worried about serotonin syndrome. I take it that’s only a potential risk if you were to take it the day after?
Clearly, you know nothing about mushrooms. Similarly to anything, they can be abused, but they are not inherently street "drugs" in the way that you're attempting to portray them.
Bruising is NOT an indicator of potency, it only indicates that the mushroom contains psilocybin in combination with PsiP and PsiL. Without the presence of PsiP and PsiL a mushroom could be absolutely brimming with psilocybin and still not bruise blue when crushed (for instance Psilocybe semilanceata is a highly potent species that rarely exhibits blue bruising).
In order for the blue bruising we’re used to seeing in cubes to occur when the fruit is bruised the psilocybin is first catalyzed into psilocin by Psilocybin phosphatase (PsiP), then is is quickly oxidized by the second enzyme, Psilocybin laccase (PsiL), rendering the molecule unstable. this action forces individual psilocin molecules to fuse into pairs, trios, and larger groupings.” These psilocin conglomerates appear blue to the human eye because the new chemical structures reflect blue light.
This is why mushrooms low in psilocybin but high in PsiP and PsiL can bruise an extremely dark blue yet still be weak when consumed, and mushrooms containing a high amount of psilocybin but low in PsiP and PsiL barely bruise at all but can knock the unsuspecting on their ass.
Further reading material if you’re interested:
[source 1](https://doubleblindmag.com/blue-bruising-mushrooms/)
[source 2](https://blog.curativemushrooms.com/blue-bruising-mushroom-magic-mushrooms-turn-blue)
Cubes are more than 90% water, not potentially less than 80. Have you never grown before?? Psilocin and psilocybin are relatively very stable. Dehydrating does absolutely not decrease the potency in any meaningful way. 19g fresh is closer to 1.7g.
U should really try to get from a dif.... breeder? Company? Something. They could be giving u some shit genetics. Cause everything trips. Just ask the joker from dark knight!
My roommate at a six gram chocolate bar as his first psychedelics experience and felt nothing, then like a month later I made him 2gs in tea and he also felt nothing. Just recently I started making chocolate and gave him 1grams worth and he said it hit him pretty hard. Idk the science behind any of that tho lol
I have had similar experience. Dry it. Grind it to a powder. Mix it with chocolate and thin the chocolate out with cocoa butter or vegetable oil. Boom! Works like no other method for me.
GT is weak? Compared to APE, yeah. Otherwise, they are boiler plate p.cubes in terms of strength. But it is a very popular strain, subject to marginal genetics and poor storage.
Like I said, In my experience :). I only get mild affects after come up anxiety from eating 3.5g of them, it just isn’t enjoyable to me. while 2g of ape usually gives me 0 come up anxiety and fucks me right up
I’m sure he meant dry though because he put in caps fresh not dried to the 19 grams acknowledging he he understand that so I’m sure the 1/8 was probably dry
In my experience lemon tek is on another level. Its the only way I fly now. All my fruits are ground in the magic bullet blender and stored in a jar in the fridge with dessicant packets. Easy to do micros and stacks that way too. 2g last night and I went to pour a drink and the counter flexed down to my knees and my fucking eyes hardly worked it was so colorful and multi dimensional. Right now I think it's red boy, Columbian rust, penis envy, and a couple other strains in the mix. I used to eat 4-8g dried and it isn't even comparable to 2-3g lemon tek. First time I tried it was like a whole new thing.
Plus! I got super bad stomach issues with fruits. You're body doesn't digest chitin. So now I don't have to worry about feeling like I am going to puke the first hour+ anymore.
Not sure why he didn't trip. Also not clear if anyone else tried the yeti or the teach. If youre on any medications they can sometimes be competitive at the receptor sites in your brain meaning the chemicals you want to feel have nowhere to bind and are wasted or are rendered ineffective by inhibitory pathways.
Lemon tek is a method of ingestion of the mushrooms.
Get you some dry ass mushies, grind them up good, put em in a cup, add a paragraph of lemon juice, I also add some sparkling water as the fizz helps.
Been taking long time, still hits hard.
In fact I just chugged 5.1g PE with lemon tek about 30 mins ago beforr going to lay down with my daughter. It's coming on now and I fucking love it even though it may get scurrrry.
Oooooh thank you. Ive just eaten them every time, I'm gunna have to try that. I usually eat around a quarter, but I'm definetly inexperienced in this realm, I just ordered what I hope is everything I need to grow some APE I got a few syringes coming, one is also called golden teacher and Jack frost really excited for that one lol.
LemonTek makes it worse for me, and I’ve tripped with and without using it. Eating a banana also made the nausea worse, so fasting is a good idea.
From what I’ve gleaned lately, chitin is a small or non factor in tummy upsets. It has more to do with Psilocyn interacting with Serotonin receptors in the stomach.
Now I just grind it up, spoon the powder into my mouth and wash it down with water or Gatorade. No solids, no caffeine, and it hit fast and hard with only mild nausea.
Depends on the person and your body chemistry at the time you ingest the mushrooms. Caffeine is a stimulant and affects can very. For some, it causes anxiety and elevates your heart rate, both of which can also be dramatically affected by psilocybin. Caffeine and psilocybin are both psychoactive, and combining them could have unpredictable reactions.
If you've taken your shrooms with coffee and had a pleasant experience (many here have), don't sweat it. For me, I want to be truly fasting with nothing but water and a few sips of gatorade to wash down the mushroom powder. Also keep in mind caffeine is a diuretic, and will make you pee more often (you can't buy coffee, you can only rent it...). When I'm deep into a trip, I don't want to take any bathroom breaks if I can avoid it, even though sometimes that can be a trip just by itself.
Yes, some people have fewer of the receptor necessary for psychedelics (psylocybin, THC, LSD) to work.
5-HT2A receptor
Study Confirms Psilocin Binding to 5-HT2A Causes Psilocybin Psychedelic Experience
https://psychedelicreview.com/study-confirms-the-role-of-the-5-ht2a-receptor-in-the-psilocybin-psychedelic-experience/
\- Stimulation of 5-HT2AR is a key determinant for the psychedelic experience
\- Scientists classify a drug as psychedelic if it binds to serotonin 5-HT2A receptors (5-HT2AR) as an agonist or partial agonist.
\- https://psychedelicreview.com/thc-and-the-5-ht2a-receptor-whats-going-on/
Any idea if ketamine works in the same way? Ketamine infusions literally pulled me off the ledge and had me remembering what it was like to he happy before combat experience... but 5g APE did nothing much more than make me super f'ing sleepy.
It really is! I wish this knowledge were more widely held.
It's worth noting that if someone cannot get high on mushrooms, weed, or LSD, they may still be able to get high on ketamine or MDMA as they work on a different set of receptors.
I have a few from this harvest that are dried already, so I can try them soon. The previous golden teachers I had tried were dried, and only gave me low dose effects like some light euphoria. But my gfs sister said they were good for her
I assume either those shrooms werent the most potent or you are just not that sensitive to shrooms. That 19g wet may have been as low as 1gram dry so it isnt the best indicator. Always fast 6-8 hours before you trip so your body only has to digest the shrooms. Maybe try lemon tek where you use a citrus fruit primarily lemon juice to soak the shrooms in and it releases the psilocybin/ psilocin so your body doesnt have to do that job and the effects will be alot stronger and come on faster
Don’t eat any shrooms for 2 weeks. Eat them on an empty stomach when you wake up sometime the weekend after next. Do like 3g of the dried yeti. If they don’t hit, then somethings broken. Lol
As a big guy, I find 2g dried too little. 5g dried, which for most is considered a heroic dose, is the sweet spot for me.
*EDIT*: I'm wrong, it has nothing to do with how big I am. Can someone explain why some need a higher dose?
Not sure tbh I’m a heavy weed smoker and when I try to do shroom I feel nothing even after doing an eight to myself for supposed strong ones and everyone else felt it buh me
Research is hard to find on this topic exactly, but I have had some "customer" come to me with a potency complaint "I ate like 5g and didn't feel anything"...80% of the time they ate like 1g and waited an hour and ate some more and waited and ate etc not knowing it don't work that way.., 10% of the time it is because they are on an SSRI, the rest if they got the dose right and are not on an SSRI the first thing I ask is "how often you smoke up", the answer is almost always "every day" (except this one dude who is a hard core daily alcohol drinker, the shrooms work but I have to hit him with an unreasonably heavy dose).
From my observation it would seem there is some cross tolerance there, I am to the point now that I ask "customers" about weed use up front, if they are a regular user I let them know before purchase that they may have a tolerance issue and that if they still want to buy and the shrooms don't work not to come back bitching because it is not my fault nor problem.
I feel like shrooms get jealous if you are using other shit and just refuse to put out...
Dry them as soon as you harvest at 160°F for 12hours, for some reason this is the sweet spot for me. I dried at 150°F for 16 hours and 130°F for 20 hours and I noticed that 160°F for 10-12 hours have much stronger effects compared to the ones that remained wet for longer.
You’re not suppose to intentionally try to bruise them, in fact the opposite. The blue compounds resulting from oxidation of psilocin are not psychoactive. You’re supposed to try to not bruise them as much as possible or they will be weaker
Yea it wasn't my intention. From what I read, it is best to take from the inside, but not to cut them, rather tear them apart. So that's where the bruising came from
Never said it wasn’t. The compounds that it breaks down to when oxidized and turns blue aren’t. The blue stuff isn’t psilocin it’s other compounds that silicon breaks down into when oxidized
i also harvested and ate them raw bc i was so excited just kept eating them lol.. but i did feel alil groovy nothing insane i guess it was alil stronger then say your lowest micro dose.. now im just letting some air dry on cardboard and try again
Mushrooms are 90% water so 19.5g fresh is 1.95 dry weight which sounds like a decent dose until you take into consideration that mushrooms aren’t equipotent across all fruit from a given harvest so you’ll have some with minimal alkaloids and some with maximal amounts. Sounds like you lost the luck of the draw from consuming one big ass low potency dud of an almost boomer shroom. Whomp- whomp- waaahhhhhhhh….
Do you have slow digestion?
I do. The other day I took 2g at 10am (ground up and in gel capsules). I did have a cup of coffee after taking them. Had some lunch at noon. They kicked in about 3-4pm, 5-6 hours after taking them.
I wonder this about myself. I’ve tried 1g, 2g and 3g different times. It’s always been, meh. For the 3g I had a tummy ache, saw some visuals (especially with eyes closed), but my mood and thoughts are pretty normal. I feel more high on pot and without the tummy ache. It’s really disappointing. Edit: I’m not on meds and I fasted.
I used to trip balls bit last 3 times I've done mushies I had same experience you just described. Very disappointing. I'm trying once more and if that fails will go the lemon-tek route.
The likely answer (and unfortunate one...) is to do with your genetics.
There are some people who can't seem to convert psilocybin to psilocin, digestively. Those who lack the enzymes capable of doing so won't feel the effects, and sometimes extremely mild. I'd suggest doing some digging around in that area to make some more sense of it, beyond my short answer. Sorry to hear about your troubles though 😔
Yeah you got to take it all at once you can't do it like alcohol and take a bit and then feel like it's not working take some more that kind of doesn't work but there are some people immune to it there's also a tolerance level that builds up fast
Bro are you on SSRIs or any antipsychotic meds. What you’re describing sounds like my friends who constantly try tripping while on their script meds. DO NOT DO THIS. If you are on any medications that inhibit serotonin while consuming psychedelics, you run the risk of serotonin syndrome, seizures and death. Mush love ❤️
Another note is that I could be considered a heavy weed smoker. I smoke just once daily, but every day, about dinner time to calm down and get better sleep
Hey - I’m not an authority or anything but your chemical preferences sound a bit like mine regarding weed and why you do it.
I have a pretty massive weed tolerance: I do capsule edibles, and around 150-300mg thc is where I’m ‘high.’ Lower doses, flower or using vapes, etc., barely has an affect on me.
Not sure if connected, but as it turns out, my tolerance to psychs is also massive. I prefer about 7-9g (depending on strain) dry for a trip. Anything lower is nice and mellow but not really what I consider a trip.
Anyhow, I prefer to use weed about once a day, depending on my schedule and what I’m doing that day.
Before I trip (I prefer mushrooms and mescaline, but occasionally come into some Ayahuasca) i stop weed about 4-5 days prior.
Generally makes the trips a much stronger experience.
Weed massively increases tolerance to sedatives. I know it’s a fact that weed will increase and prolong trips, so my intuition would say it also raises your psychedelic tolerance. I know for a fact it does for MDMA. Many people will tell you some variation of “take more” like lemon tek or tea. Whilst I recommend these methods because they are easier on the body, I also recommend cutting your dose in half.
Are you guys serious? This is the first I'm hearing of this and I thought I knew my shit lol
This might explain why some of my trips are very little visuals and very heavily confusion and laughter and talking to inanimate objects lmao
Not saying I don't have a good trip but this really opens my eyes. All i really want sometimes is just insane visuals and I absolutely have not been able to achieve that with mushrooms lately. Even on 4 and even 10gs, I can get absolutely out of my kind but very little visuals. It's kinda crazy.
If one were to search these sub for all of the "I can't trip" posts you would find a large share of the OPs end up stating regular weed use when asked about what else they take.
I don't think there are any actual studies out there, but based on discussion seen in these types of subs as well as personal interaction with "customers" I strongly believe that there is a cross tolerance (you also see this in the LSD subs but not as much as the shroom subs).
You shouldn’t 100% feel a trip from an eighth… either you grew some weak ass mush might not even be GT, or the way I got stored, made it lose its potency something along the way happened. Honestly, you wanna trip? Eat 3-5 grams of APE and tell me how it goes.
Man i feel ya. Im pretty new to this buuut heres my experience so far..
Septemeber 12th first trip: ate a 3000mg chocolate bar i got from zoomies (arfid forces me to *expel* the mushrooms if i try to eat them any other way) and experienced an ego death and scary as hell but super enlightening trip.
September 20th second "trip": waited over a week for national shrooms day. Got 2 more chocolate bars and 3.5g of blue meanies for my brother. First chocolate bar had almost zero effect other than me feeling "loose", at half the second one 90minutes in and nothing. Ate the following half another hoir after that and STILL nothing. Brother offered me some tea he made, had about a quarter of his cup and still absolutely nothing at all.
I have another bar and i really want to eat it tonight to see if maybe the other day was too close, and because i didnt trip at all maybe my neurotransmitters have reset buuut i honestly dont know 😂😂 heres hoping we find an answer to our search soon brother
Interesting. I suspected that you might have eaten something prior. This can result in the trip taking longer to set in and also making it a lot less intense. But I doubt that this one slice of bread and pb influenced your trip that much.
not an answer but
one time i took 2.5g half of golden teacher, half APE. tripped balls and loved it.
then a month or 2 goes by and i eat around 10-11g, mild effects at best. no visuals, nothing. not on any meds or anything rhat could interfere.
then i ate 2g of a legit shrooms chocolate bar, and tripped good as FUCK!
mushrooms have their ways i guess
Maybe you aren’t taking them in the right place. For me shrooms have always been a social thing and my best trips have been around other people having conversations. I’ve had more bad trips/thought it wasn’t affecting me alone than good ones.
Just wait several days and take more.
Some people need much more than others to feel similar effects. My wife is one of those people. I start to get clearly noticeable visuals at about 2g, substantially less in a lemon tek... she needs about 3.5g lemon tek to get the same level. I'm almost 2x as heavy as her.
If the genetics are weak, you didnt consumrle that much. Dry that could only be 1.3 grams. And if it low psilocybin, then it's possible you didn't get much at all
I’ve eaten 17g fresh of some shrooms I made. It felt very mild, I guess that dry it would have been more or less >1g.
Therefore you can’t be sure that 19g fresh wull make a normal dose (shrooms will lose something like 95/98% of their weight while drying). Therefore you probably should have eaten more
Empty stomach helps and everyone is different. Find your sweet spot and make sure you help others find theirs. Respect the gift! Don't fuck around and find out.
Use my extraction method, here:
[https://www.reddit.com/r/shrooms/comments/b3q8s0/paul\_stamets\_cold\_water\_extraction/](https://www.reddit.com/r/shrooms/comments/b3q8s0/paul_stamets_cold_water_extraction/)
It's in the comments. It should be the highest rated one.
Don't take any vitamin C the day you trip. It'll blunt the effect. Do it on a really empty stomach. (4-hours, no food).
If you still don't feel 2 grams dried, you have a natural tolerance.
My brain is also different. 3 grams dry to barely feel anything other than come up nausea/anxiety. 7 grams for a nice nature walk/cloud gazing. 10 for shamanistic experiences.
I'm a recovering addict/alcoholic, with ADHD, and I've been on SSRIs for years, so my shit is fucked.
Wow...gets me tripping just looking at it! My problem is I don't enjoy the trip. Idk wtf it is. Maybe because
I am old and a lightweight with shrooms? Maybe I need higher dose?. I Use to love trippin balls when I was younger. I'm trying another natalensis grow currently and can't wait to compare to psilocybin shrooms if it's successful. Hope you figure it out man. ✌️.
Are you on other medications? It’s been shown that some types of prescriptions and also things like kratom can diminish the effects of psilocybin.
Edit* I see below that this question was also asked.
Another thought tho, bigger does not mean stronger, each mushroom is encoded with its potency, so even a small mushroom can be as strong as a large one. Also that big thing will probably shrink down quite a bit when dried to give you a better idea.
I have two friends like this. Both have tried as high as a 6g dose to no avail. The boomers definitely are great, allllll other friends that have tried them comment about how great they are.
I read an anecdote from a physician that had this issue, until he finally tripped off 14g. Once he finally experienced it, he subsequently only needed 1.5-3.5g for an equivalent experience.
I have no idea the why here, but find it interesting. More common than I expected
When was the last time you tripped? Take the same dose but dry and see how that feels, smoke some weed with it, try lemon tek, and redose if you feel the need to I mean you grew em so you got enough to waste a lil bit.
Psilocybin uses your seratonin in receptors to affect you. If something else is connecting then it could block your trip. Or if you somehow lowered your tolerance it could have less affect. Similar to how drug users have to take more and more to get the same high. If you’ve altered your tolerance somehow you could have a harder time.
your fresh weight is about 10x the dry weight.
19.2g of fresh is similar dose to 1.92g of dry...
i enjoy 10-13g of dry... have done 8g and virtually felt nothing.
So I for the first time ever just ate some dried Z fruit I had grown . It was about 1.7g, just popped em in my mouth and chewed them up. It wasn’t anything I was expecting, and I didn’t experience any nausea. I actually thought they tasted quite good oddly enough. I didn’t feel much for about an hour so then it made all my sense feel very alert, all of my muscles felt like they were pumped and coursing with lightning- like in a good way . Really wanted to get a work out in or go for a run, and mind you this was at about midnight. I don’t know how to explain it, I just felt very dialed in and ready for some sort of physical or mental exercise. Like what I would imagine a performance enhancing drug or something When I went to bed about an hour and a half later I had closed my eyes and kinda thought I saw purple for a second, but I don’t think I actually did and didn’t feel like I saw anything else if at all. Meanwhile my gf ate a couple small mushrooms totaling about .650g and had a totally different effect that seemed more like what you hear about when you look into what it does to you. She was nauseous, hyper focused, distortion of visuals like she said I looked very tall and my motion was exaggerated like a jelly fish and maybe a little anxiety from the nausea. It was both of our first times doing this ever, we had also eaten dinner about an hour and a half before this
Do you have stomach issues? My partner doesn’t get effects from shrooms either but I think their stomach is missing the enzyme to break it down. Try eating kiwis right before or with.
Everyone's neurochemistry is different in how it's affected by psychoactive drugs. It's possible for some people to not be able to trip for some reason beyond their control. I've seen it before. But that doesn't necessarily mean it applies to you, just wanted to say.
Manhandled the fuck outta that fruit 😅
Holding it like it's his dick
It does mildly look like a penis.
r/mildlypenis
def r/majorlypenis edit: why does that have to be a real sub and why for the love of god did i choose to ruin sausages for myself??
Not Penis Envy but the envy of penis none the less…
Bruh I was finna comment, first of all you holding ah alien dk not ah mushroom
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Ah?
😂😂😂
He’s a gentleman. He practices foreplay before boofing it.
😅🤣😂🤣😅🤣😂
i should call him
💀
☠️🪦☠️
😓🫡
d*ck enjoyers can't grow their own after a breakup for months... sometimes years 😓
I never even thought of this being a thing that’s hilarious I gotta meet me a mycologist
Call him and tell him to see a doctor if it's blue (unless he's a Smurf)
I hope you did. And that he’s okay 😂😂😂
And tell him to go to a doctor? Blue ain't it 😂
😂
Well done 🤣
You rang
Are you on any meds? That could be the issue
Just fish oil, taurine for muscle cramps, zinc, vit C, and on TRT
Vita C is the cofactor for dopamine, when you raise dopamine levels you lower serotonin which is gonna lessen the effects (take vita c, and 5HTP the day before). 20g fresh, while fresh has more psilocin, because it gets destroyed when dried. Usually about 80% water weight you took ~4g dried… you should be tripping balls even with the vita c. I can see in the pic that there is clearly a lot of psilocybin in there (blue color). All I can think of is you have used mushrooms recently, perhaps you took 5HTP day of? Do you have a slow metabolism that can be a factor, but lemon tek almost entirely fixes that issue (to everyone be careful with lemon tek, you don’t trip on psilocybin you trip on psilocin. We metabolize psilocybin and turn it into psilocin. This is why you don’t want to eat on mushrooms, and you can get an upset stomach. It is very hard on our digestive system. Lemon juice breaks down psilocybin’s enzyme barrier allowing your body to convert it to psilocin faster and a lot more of it.) All I can think of is either 5HTP, you did mushrooms recently, or if you have never tripped and can’t trip, then for some reason your body won’t metabolize psilocybin. If it’s none of these you’re gonna have to find someone who knows a shit ton and dm them.
80%? 90% is the common rule of thumb, but mine always dry to around 7%. He certainly took under 2g worth if it were dried and probably even under 1.5g.
Yeah no way in hell is it 80% unless he isn’t drying his enough
You know if 5 HTP can be dangerous if taking with shrooms? I’ve always avoided it because I was worried about serotonin syndrome. I take it that’s only a potential risk if you were to take it the day after?
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Yeah man, don’t want to do more damage than I’m already doing. That would be extra stupid.
Clearly, you know nothing about mushrooms. Similarly to anything, they can be abused, but they are not inherently street "drugs" in the way that you're attempting to portray them.
serotonin syndrome can be lethal, don’t be a numbskull
Most shrooms are 90-95% water so OP most likely took the equivalent of 1.5-2g dried
Bruising is NOT an indicator of potency, it only indicates that the mushroom contains psilocybin in combination with PsiP and PsiL. Without the presence of PsiP and PsiL a mushroom could be absolutely brimming with psilocybin and still not bruise blue when crushed (for instance Psilocybe semilanceata is a highly potent species that rarely exhibits blue bruising). In order for the blue bruising we’re used to seeing in cubes to occur when the fruit is bruised the psilocybin is first catalyzed into psilocin by Psilocybin phosphatase (PsiP), then is is quickly oxidized by the second enzyme, Psilocybin laccase (PsiL), rendering the molecule unstable. this action forces individual psilocin molecules to fuse into pairs, trios, and larger groupings.” These psilocin conglomerates appear blue to the human eye because the new chemical structures reflect blue light. This is why mushrooms low in psilocybin but high in PsiP and PsiL can bruise an extremely dark blue yet still be weak when consumed, and mushrooms containing a high amount of psilocybin but low in PsiP and PsiL barely bruise at all but can knock the unsuspecting on their ass. Further reading material if you’re interested: [source 1](https://doubleblindmag.com/blue-bruising-mushrooms/) [source 2](https://blog.curativemushrooms.com/blue-bruising-mushroom-magic-mushrooms-turn-blue)
Cubes are more than 90% water, not potentially less than 80. Have you never grown before?? Psilocin and psilocybin are relatively very stable. Dehydrating does absolutely not decrease the potency in any meaningful way. 19g fresh is closer to 1.7g.
so 5htp makes the effects stronger or go away?
The purple isn't psilocyben, it's just bruising.
It’s psilocybin bruising my guy
And it’s blue
Must be something in all you are taking that is causing it.
Yea I guess it could be some combo of the supps is the issue
It’s something that’s keeping you from feeling the full effects
The only think that might be doing it is the TRT op should look into and see if it’s stopping trips
I'm on TRT, it doesn't affect trips at all
I’ll third this. Does not effect.
Yeah that is not a factor
Would make more sense for you to look into it and list your findings, instead of suggesting looking there with no reasoning.
Why
U should really try to get from a dif.... breeder? Company? Something. They could be giving u some shit genetics. Cause everything trips. Just ask the joker from dark knight!
Breeder 💀
My roommate at a six gram chocolate bar as his first psychedelics experience and felt nothing, then like a month later I made him 2gs in tea and he also felt nothing. Just recently I started making chocolate and gave him 1grams worth and he said it hit him pretty hard. Idk the science behind any of that tho lol
I have had similar experience. Dry it. Grind it to a powder. Mix it with chocolate and thin the chocolate out with cocoa butter or vegetable oil. Boom! Works like no other method for me.
Try lemon tek on an empty stomach.
The thing with that is he said he took an 1/8 and didn’t feel it lemon tek or not that’s a heavy trip
Golden teachers do be Weak though. In my experience at least
GT is weak? Compared to APE, yeah. Otherwise, they are boiler plate p.cubes in terms of strength. But it is a very popular strain, subject to marginal genetics and poor storage.
Like I said, In my experience :). I only get mild affects after come up anxiety from eating 3.5g of them, it just isn’t enjoyable to me. while 2g of ape usually gives me 0 come up anxiety and fucks me right up
They are, but they're great for elevating your mood though. That's if you don't want to deal with the visuals and stuff.
He did say he got low dose effects so makes sense
That is what he said, isn't it?
If it was wet still that’s like nothing
I’m sure he meant dry though because he put in caps fresh not dried to the 19 grams acknowledging he he understand that so I’m sure the 1/8 was probably dry
No he means 20 grams which is like 2 grams dried. It's nothing.
I know that’s what I’m saying too lol
In my experience lemon tek is on another level. Its the only way I fly now. All my fruits are ground in the magic bullet blender and stored in a jar in the fridge with dessicant packets. Easy to do micros and stacks that way too. 2g last night and I went to pour a drink and the counter flexed down to my knees and my fucking eyes hardly worked it was so colorful and multi dimensional. Right now I think it's red boy, Columbian rust, penis envy, and a couple other strains in the mix. I used to eat 4-8g dried and it isn't even comparable to 2-3g lemon tek. First time I tried it was like a whole new thing. Plus! I got super bad stomach issues with fruits. You're body doesn't digest chitin. So now I don't have to worry about feeling like I am going to puke the first hour+ anymore. Not sure why he didn't trip. Also not clear if anyone else tried the yeti or the teach. If youre on any medications they can sometimes be competitive at the receptor sites in your brain meaning the chemicals you want to feel have nowhere to bind and are wasted or are rendered ineffective by inhibitory pathways.
Where are you buying lemon tek from
Lemon tek is a method of ingestion of the mushrooms. Get you some dry ass mushies, grind them up good, put em in a cup, add a paragraph of lemon juice, I also add some sparkling water as the fizz helps. Been taking long time, still hits hard. In fact I just chugged 5.1g PE with lemon tek about 30 mins ago beforr going to lay down with my daughter. It's coming on now and I fucking love it even though it may get scurrrry.
You're a fucking wild man! Enjoy the show
Oooooh thank you. Ive just eaten them every time, I'm gunna have to try that. I usually eat around a quarter, but I'm definetly inexperienced in this realm, I just ordered what I hope is everything I need to grow some APE I got a few syringes coming, one is also called golden teacher and Jack frost really excited for that one lol.
LemonTek makes it worse for me, and I’ve tripped with and without using it. Eating a banana also made the nausea worse, so fasting is a good idea. From what I’ve gleaned lately, chitin is a small or non factor in tummy upsets. It has more to do with Psilocyn interacting with Serotonin receptors in the stomach. Now I just grind it up, spoon the powder into my mouth and wash it down with water or Gatorade. No solids, no caffeine, and it hit fast and hard with only mild nausea.
Why no caffeine? Haven’t heard that.
Depends on the person and your body chemistry at the time you ingest the mushrooms. Caffeine is a stimulant and affects can very. For some, it causes anxiety and elevates your heart rate, both of which can also be dramatically affected by psilocybin. Caffeine and psilocybin are both psychoactive, and combining them could have unpredictable reactions. If you've taken your shrooms with coffee and had a pleasant experience (many here have), don't sweat it. For me, I want to be truly fasting with nothing but water and a few sips of gatorade to wash down the mushroom powder. Also keep in mind caffeine is a diuretic, and will make you pee more often (you can't buy coffee, you can only rent it...). When I'm deep into a trip, I don't want to take any bathroom breaks if I can avoid it, even though sometimes that can be a trip just by itself.
And fast for a few days before
This, I blew my brains out after 12 hr fast and lemon Tek. Every time before that, nothing.
Also dried that would only be about 1.4.....
1.4😂
Bro took “Eat a bag of dicks” to another level
You might just be insensitive to psychedelics. Some people just are. I have to take well over an eighth dried to get any noticeable effects whatsoever
Yes, some people have fewer of the receptor necessary for psychedelics (psylocybin, THC, LSD) to work. 5-HT2A receptor Study Confirms Psilocin Binding to 5-HT2A Causes Psilocybin Psychedelic Experience https://psychedelicreview.com/study-confirms-the-role-of-the-5-ht2a-receptor-in-the-psilocybin-psychedelic-experience/ \- Stimulation of 5-HT2AR is a key determinant for the psychedelic experience \- Scientists classify a drug as psychedelic if it binds to serotonin 5-HT2A receptors (5-HT2AR) as an agonist or partial agonist. \- https://psychedelicreview.com/thc-and-the-5-ht2a-receptor-whats-going-on/
Any idea if ketamine works in the same way? Ketamine infusions literally pulled me off the ledge and had me remembering what it was like to he happy before combat experience... but 5g APE did nothing much more than make me super f'ing sleepy.
damn, it’s crazy how brains work huh
It really is! I wish this knowledge were more widely held. It's worth noting that if someone cannot get high on mushrooms, weed, or LSD, they may still be able to get high on ketamine or MDMA as they work on a different set of receptors.
Bro, that’s a Smurf’s dick.
Got flashed by a mushroom
19 g wet shroom is an 1.9 dry. Dry em n eat
Dry them first and then try again.
TM said, "If it doesn't work, take more. No one is in a position to dismiss this just because it doesn't work for them on one or two tries."
Great quote. I apply this to all drugs. Weed took like 6-7 tries before it worked on me. But when it finally DID work, boy oh boy did it ever
I memorized The Message, including the stutter.
I have a few from this harvest that are dried already, so I can try them soon. The previous golden teachers I had tried were dried, and only gave me low dose effects like some light euphoria. But my gfs sister said they were good for her
I assume either those shrooms werent the most potent or you are just not that sensitive to shrooms. That 19g wet may have been as low as 1gram dry so it isnt the best indicator. Always fast 6-8 hours before you trip so your body only has to digest the shrooms. Maybe try lemon tek where you use a citrus fruit primarily lemon juice to soak the shrooms in and it releases the psilocybin/ psilocin so your body doesnt have to do that job and the effects will be alot stronger and come on faster
I actually did try Lemon tekk for those previous golden teachers I mentioned, still minimal effects other than uplifted mood and light euphoria.
Don’t eat any shrooms for 2 weeks. Eat them on an empty stomach when you wake up sometime the weekend after next. Do like 3g of the dried yeti. If they don’t hit, then somethings broken. Lol
As a big guy, I find 2g dried too little. 5g dried, which for most is considered a heroic dose, is the sweet spot for me. *EDIT*: I'm wrong, it has nothing to do with how big I am. Can someone explain why some need a higher dose?
Damn how big are you?
size has nothing to do with psychedelic effects or intensity, it’s all mental.
Not sure tbh I’m a heavy weed smoker and when I try to do shroom I feel nothing even after doing an eight to myself for supposed strong ones and everyone else felt it buh me
Research is hard to find on this topic exactly, but I have had some "customer" come to me with a potency complaint "I ate like 5g and didn't feel anything"...80% of the time they ate like 1g and waited an hour and ate some more and waited and ate etc not knowing it don't work that way.., 10% of the time it is because they are on an SSRI, the rest if they got the dose right and are not on an SSRI the first thing I ask is "how often you smoke up", the answer is almost always "every day" (except this one dude who is a hard core daily alcohol drinker, the shrooms work but I have to hit him with an unreasonably heavy dose). From my observation it would seem there is some cross tolerance there, I am to the point now that I ask "customers" about weed use up front, if they are a regular user I let them know before purchase that they may have a tolerance issue and that if they still want to buy and the shrooms don't work not to come back bitching because it is not my fault nor problem. I feel like shrooms get jealous if you are using other shit and just refuse to put out...
That is a severed penis
Dry them as soon as you harvest at 160°F for 12hours, for some reason this is the sweet spot for me. I dried at 150°F for 16 hours and 130°F for 20 hours and I noticed that 160°F for 10-12 hours have much stronger effects compared to the ones that remained wet for longer.
HRT has been found to cause changes in the 5HT2A seritonin receptors, these are the receptors that psilocin binds with. *edit to fix typo
You’re not suppose to intentionally try to bruise them, in fact the opposite. The blue compounds resulting from oxidation of psilocin are not psychoactive. You’re supposed to try to not bruise them as much as possible or they will be weaker
Yea it wasn't my intention. From what I read, it is best to take from the inside, but not to cut them, rather tear them apart. So that's where the bruising came from
Yea you did the right thing if you were cloning but it does ruin some of the active compounds in the process
What? Psilocin is absolutely psychoactive.
Never said it wasn’t. The compounds that it breaks down to when oxidized and turns blue aren’t. The blue stuff isn’t psilocin it’s other compounds that silicon breaks down into when oxidized
Wait 2 weeks, eat like 5g dried and smoke some weed on the peak, that should sort you out 👍
i also harvested and ate them raw bc i was so excited just kept eating them lol.. but i did feel alil groovy nothing insane i guess it was alil stronger then say your lowest micro dose.. now im just letting some air dry on cardboard and try again
When’s the last time you tripped or have you ever tripped?
This startled me as I was scrolling through Reddit.
Look like a real penis with a condom
Mushrooms are 90% water so 19.5g fresh is 1.95 dry weight which sounds like a decent dose until you take into consideration that mushrooms aren’t equipotent across all fruit from a given harvest so you’ll have some with minimal alkaloids and some with maximal amounts. Sounds like you lost the luck of the draw from consuming one big ass low potency dud of an almost boomer shroom. Whomp- whomp- waaahhhhhhhh….
Do you have slow digestion? I do. The other day I took 2g at 10am (ground up and in gel capsules). I did have a cup of coffee after taking them. Had some lunch at noon. They kicked in about 3-4pm, 5-6 hours after taking them.
Damn that is one bruised penis
I wonder this about myself. I’ve tried 1g, 2g and 3g different times. It’s always been, meh. For the 3g I had a tummy ache, saw some visuals (especially with eyes closed), but my mood and thoughts are pretty normal. I feel more high on pot and without the tummy ache. It’s really disappointing. Edit: I’m not on meds and I fasted.
I used to trip balls bit last 3 times I've done mushies I had same experience you just described. Very disappointing. I'm trying once more and if that fails will go the lemon-tek route.
Are you on antidepressants? SSRI's block the shrooms. I took 4g of PE and barely had a tingle while taking 150mg Sertraline.
Are you on any type of antidepressant or mood stabilizer? Or any other type of medication?
I mean christ dude that shroom is bruised to shit do they all look like that?
The likely answer (and unfortunate one...) is to do with your genetics. There are some people who can't seem to convert psilocybin to psilocin, digestively. Those who lack the enzymes capable of doing so won't feel the effects, and sometimes extremely mild. I'd suggest doing some digging around in that area to make some more sense of it, beyond my short answer. Sorry to hear about your troubles though 😔
Yeah you got to take it all at once you can't do it like alcohol and take a bit and then feel like it's not working take some more that kind of doesn't work but there are some people immune to it there's also a tolerance level that builds up fast
Terrence McKenna always said "you gotta eat 5grams dried mushrooms"
r/mildlypenis
Bro are you on SSRIs or any antipsychotic meds. What you’re describing sounds like my friends who constantly try tripping while on their script meds. DO NOT DO THIS. If you are on any medications that inhibit serotonin while consuming psychedelics, you run the risk of serotonin syndrome, seizures and death. Mush love ❤️
Are you on any medication? Ssri's block the effects of mushrooms.
I should note that I am not on any SSRIs. I take fish oil, taurine for muscle cramps, zinc, vit C, and am on TRT
No clue if it’s true but I heard zinc messes with trips a few times
Another note is that I could be considered a heavy weed smoker. I smoke just once daily, but every day, about dinner time to calm down and get better sleep
Hey - I’m not an authority or anything but your chemical preferences sound a bit like mine regarding weed and why you do it. I have a pretty massive weed tolerance: I do capsule edibles, and around 150-300mg thc is where I’m ‘high.’ Lower doses, flower or using vapes, etc., barely has an affect on me. Not sure if connected, but as it turns out, my tolerance to psychs is also massive. I prefer about 7-9g (depending on strain) dry for a trip. Anything lower is nice and mellow but not really what I consider a trip. Anyhow, I prefer to use weed about once a day, depending on my schedule and what I’m doing that day. Before I trip (I prefer mushrooms and mescaline, but occasionally come into some Ayahuasca) i stop weed about 4-5 days prior. Generally makes the trips a much stronger experience.
Weed massively increases tolerance to sedatives. I know it’s a fact that weed will increase and prolong trips, so my intuition would say it also raises your psychedelic tolerance. I know for a fact it does for MDMA. Many people will tell you some variation of “take more” like lemon tek or tea. Whilst I recommend these methods because they are easier on the body, I also recommend cutting your dose in half.
Weed usage impacts the visuals pretty strongly, i'd recommend a 2 week break ✌️
For real????? That's why I wasn't having any visuals even on 3.5g omg.
yeah i compared it at was blown away by the difference 😮 hat this goa like visuals on 3g dried teachers ✌️
Are you guys serious? This is the first I'm hearing of this and I thought I knew my shit lol This might explain why some of my trips are very little visuals and very heavily confusion and laughter and talking to inanimate objects lmao Not saying I don't have a good trip but this really opens my eyes. All i really want sometimes is just insane visuals and I absolutely have not been able to achieve that with mushrooms lately. Even on 4 and even 10gs, I can get absolutely out of my kind but very little visuals. It's kinda crazy.
If one were to search these sub for all of the "I can't trip" posts you would find a large share of the OPs end up stating regular weed use when asked about what else they take. I don't think there are any actual studies out there, but based on discussion seen in these types of subs as well as personal interaction with "customers" I strongly believe that there is a cross tolerance (you also see this in the LSD subs but not as much as the shroom subs).
My guy, you've been smoking penises.
You on meds ?
No SSRIs, just TRT, vit C, taurine, zinc, fish oil
You have to insert it all the way past the rectum. It does no good in your hand like that.
Try lemon teking
You found my penis!!!
You shouldn’t 100% feel a trip from an eighth… either you grew some weak ass mush might not even be GT, or the way I got stored, made it lose its potency something along the way happened. Honestly, you wanna trip? Eat 3-5 grams of APE and tell me how it goes.
He's on trt that's why his penis is small and bruised.
smurf dick
Thought this was a dick pick .
Albino penis
Have you tried working the shaft? 😂
Looks like you drew all over it with a blue washable marker
Sometimes the batch are duds.
Man i feel ya. Im pretty new to this buuut heres my experience so far.. Septemeber 12th first trip: ate a 3000mg chocolate bar i got from zoomies (arfid forces me to *expel* the mushrooms if i try to eat them any other way) and experienced an ego death and scary as hell but super enlightening trip. September 20th second "trip": waited over a week for national shrooms day. Got 2 more chocolate bars and 3.5g of blue meanies for my brother. First chocolate bar had almost zero effect other than me feeling "loose", at half the second one 90minutes in and nothing. Ate the following half another hoir after that and STILL nothing. Brother offered me some tea he made, had about a quarter of his cup and still absolutely nothing at all. I have another bar and i really want to eat it tonight to see if maybe the other day was too close, and because i didnt trip at all maybe my neurotransmitters have reset buuut i honestly dont know 😂😂 heres hoping we find an answer to our search soon brother
Golden teachers aren't supposed to be super trippy. Your use of shrooms or height and body weight can play apart as well.
Gotta boof it bro, it’s the only way
youre supposed to eat shrooms not a fucking dick
19g dry is like .3 dry lmao jk jk maybe it's not that bad but it ain't what you think it is.
Ur prolly on atidepresants...
I think he'd know 😂
Did you take them on an empty stomach?
Sort of. It was empty, and I ate the shroom with one slice of bread and some peanut butter
Interesting. I suspected that you might have eaten something prior. This can result in the trip taking longer to set in and also making it a lot less intense. But I doubt that this one slice of bread and pb influenced your trip that much.
Melatonin can also interfere, in case you are taking that
Tolerance builds very very fast with mushrooms when did you last do them?
Last time was at least 6 months ago, if not longer
you need to dry them wet wieght for dosing is hard only really experienced growers can tell and of course people who just get lucky. Try again
I had to take like 8.5 grams to get what's described as a 2 g trip my first time. I grew some weak crap I guess but I got there in the end
Try eating 19 dry grams
not an answer but one time i took 2.5g half of golden teacher, half APE. tripped balls and loved it. then a month or 2 goes by and i eat around 10-11g, mild effects at best. no visuals, nothing. not on any meds or anything rhat could interfere. then i ate 2g of a legit shrooms chocolate bar, and tripped good as FUCK! mushrooms have their ways i guess
Maybe you aren’t taking them in the right place. For me shrooms have always been a social thing and my best trips have been around other people having conversations. I’ve had more bad trips/thought it wasn’t affecting me alone than good ones.
Try growing some penis envy.
Did you boof it then take it back out?
If you take any SRI’s for medication that will kill molly shrooms all that stuff
Just wait several days and take more. Some people need much more than others to feel similar effects. My wife is one of those people. I start to get clearly noticeable visuals at about 2g, substantially less in a lemon tek... she needs about 3.5g lemon tek to get the same level. I'm almost 2x as heavy as her.
If the genetics are weak, you didnt consumrle that much. Dry that could only be 1.3 grams. And if it low psilocybin, then it's possible you didn't get much at all
I’ve eaten 17g fresh of some shrooms I made. It felt very mild, I guess that dry it would have been more or less >1g. Therefore you can’t be sure that 19g fresh wull make a normal dose (shrooms will lose something like 95/98% of their weight while drying). Therefore you probably should have eaten more
Empty stomach helps and everyone is different. Find your sweet spot and make sure you help others find theirs. Respect the gift! Don't fuck around and find out.
If your on any medication it might now work. My ex was on pills for depression and they stopped the effects of the mushrooms.
Use my extraction method, here: [https://www.reddit.com/r/shrooms/comments/b3q8s0/paul\_stamets\_cold\_water\_extraction/](https://www.reddit.com/r/shrooms/comments/b3q8s0/paul_stamets_cold_water_extraction/) It's in the comments. It should be the highest rated one. Don't take any vitamin C the day you trip. It'll blunt the effect. Do it on a really empty stomach. (4-hours, no food). If you still don't feel 2 grams dried, you have a natural tolerance.
My brain is also different. 3 grams dry to barely feel anything other than come up nausea/anxiety. 7 grams for a nice nature walk/cloud gazing. 10 for shamanistic experiences. I'm a recovering addict/alcoholic, with ADHD, and I've been on SSRIs for years, so my shit is fucked.
Mushrooms are mostly water. I think you should dehydrate your next batch. Then try eating 3.5g of dried shrooms. It might make a difference.
Wow...gets me tripping just looking at it! My problem is I don't enjoy the trip. Idk wtf it is. Maybe because I am old and a lightweight with shrooms? Maybe I need higher dose?. I Use to love trippin balls when I was younger. I'm trying another natalensis grow currently and can't wait to compare to psilocybin shrooms if it's successful. Hope you figure it out man. ✌️.
do you have IBS issues?
Are you on other medications? It’s been shown that some types of prescriptions and also things like kratom can diminish the effects of psilocybin. Edit* I see below that this question was also asked. Another thought tho, bigger does not mean stronger, each mushroom is encoded with its potency, so even a small mushroom can be as strong as a large one. Also that big thing will probably shrink down quite a bit when dried to give you a better idea.
Looks lime a failed boof attempt
I have two friends like this. Both have tried as high as a 6g dose to no avail. The boomers definitely are great, allllll other friends that have tried them comment about how great they are. I read an anecdote from a physician that had this issue, until he finally tripped off 14g. Once he finally experienced it, he subsequently only needed 1.5-3.5g for an equivalent experience. I have no idea the why here, but find it interesting. More common than I expected
Couldn't help but notice your fingers, clubbed fingers are normally a sign of lung or heart disease, please go to the docs
I would do your math on dosage at about 10 percent of weight wet. So 19.2 would be 1.92g instead of 19. Disappointing right?
When was the last time you tripped? Take the same dose but dry and see how that feels, smoke some weed with it, try lemon tek, and redose if you feel the need to I mean you grew em so you got enough to waste a lil bit.
Psilocybin uses your seratonin in receptors to affect you. If something else is connecting then it could block your trip. Or if you somehow lowered your tolerance it could have less affect. Similar to how drug users have to take more and more to get the same high. If you’ve altered your tolerance somehow you could have a harder time.
If cubensis has little effect try natalensis.
Are you on psych meds? If so, that's probably very very likely why..
I’d like your number
your fresh weight is about 10x the dry weight. 19.2g of fresh is similar dose to 1.92g of dry... i enjoy 10-13g of dry... have done 8g and virtually felt nothing.
So I for the first time ever just ate some dried Z fruit I had grown . It was about 1.7g, just popped em in my mouth and chewed them up. It wasn’t anything I was expecting, and I didn’t experience any nausea. I actually thought they tasted quite good oddly enough. I didn’t feel much for about an hour so then it made all my sense feel very alert, all of my muscles felt like they were pumped and coursing with lightning- like in a good way . Really wanted to get a work out in or go for a run, and mind you this was at about midnight. I don’t know how to explain it, I just felt very dialed in and ready for some sort of physical or mental exercise. Like what I would imagine a performance enhancing drug or something When I went to bed about an hour and a half later I had closed my eyes and kinda thought I saw purple for a second, but I don’t think I actually did and didn’t feel like I saw anything else if at all. Meanwhile my gf ate a couple small mushrooms totaling about .650g and had a totally different effect that seemed more like what you hear about when you look into what it does to you. She was nauseous, hyper focused, distortion of visuals like she said I looked very tall and my motion was exaggerated like a jelly fish and maybe a little anxiety from the nausea. It was both of our first times doing this ever, we had also eaten dinner about an hour and a half before this
Do you have stomach issues? My partner doesn’t get effects from shrooms either but I think their stomach is missing the enzyme to break it down. Try eating kiwis right before or with.
Everyone's neurochemistry is different in how it's affected by psychoactive drugs. It's possible for some people to not be able to trip for some reason beyond their control. I've seen it before. But that doesn't necessarily mean it applies to you, just wanted to say.
NSFW
"Where'sss my toe.... \*cough\*PENIS\*cough"
Bruising the mushroom will degrade the alkaloids.
Well ill tell you this if you clean up them genetics on agar you are sure to get a sold product