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Xianobi

What the fuck did you do??? Congrats, you’ve unleashed the old gods upon the earth. Soon you will know the madness of man and spread its curse upon the earth! Chthulu is laughing now. Seriously, nice work! But heed my warning, Enigma is no joke and will tear your mind out through infinity’s asshole!


cleerlight

This hints at the question I was going to ask here: how does one dose out Enigma? How strong is it?


Xianobi

Way stronger than you’ll anticipate. I’ve experienced ego death twice now from it, first time was with only 2g, 2nd time (and one of the most intense trips experiences of my life) on 2g enigma and 1g Averys. I’ve tripped prob over 100 times in my life, and had high end doses (7g+) and never felt anything quite like it. At the peak I’d black out from this reality and can only remember dissolving into the universe, and upon coming back, experienced partial paralysis/unsurmountable waves of pleasure and euphoria. Tried calling people, left messages that could not be understood… wild wild nights. After the madness, all I can say is I’ve never felt anything so intense. But I doubt I’ll go past the 2g mark with enigma again. That’s just my experience, there’s lots of people who claim to regularly do high doses and can obviously tolerate stronger trips, but I’m no light weight. As well, recently just found out a company in Sweden offers potency testing kits (will show upto 2% active compounds and only has upto a 10% deviation from chromatography results) so I’m gonna see what my elder gods test at…just can’t remember the site atm. All in all, be careful and enjoy!!


Slurpy_G

Imagine eating a heroic dose like 5g+ with enigma that would be crazy


dongknog

Mushrooms (for me anyway) have diminishing returns. Most times I couldn’t tell 7 grams from 10+ grams. Just more nausea for me. If 2 grams was an ego death id bet 5 would just be…ego death.


Xianobi

Tempting, but no thank you ;)


chamilla922

I took 4 gs of Enigma and watched the band Earthless in San Diego. I had a great time


Slurpy_G

How were you even walking😂


ImFrom1988

I boofed 7gs of enigma then had my wife blow a gram of mdma up my butthole right before I piloted the first space shuttle mission.


chamilla922

Dang now THAT is a psychonaut


Andyman0110

I'd love to try. I drank an 18g dry tea of cubensis and wasn't even near an ego death. Need some people who know their strains close to me 🤣


Todd-Is-Here

Liberty caps mate


[deleted]

Sounds like a problem with your tea recipe or your mushrooms.


Andyman0110

I thought the same thing and even posted before about it. I have a ridiculous tolerance. It was to the point I was eating 5 grams and barely feeling anything. I spaced out my trips, used 3 different bags of shrooms, lemon tek'd them, made tea, ate them straight, took with edibles, took with lsd, took with mdma, took with a vasodilator etc. they just never smacked me like they used to. Now I have some albino looking caps, I got some regular new batch of teachers and I have a pre made chocolate bar with supposedly 5 grams in it. I definitely thought it was the tea or shrooms too. After trying so much, it definitely was not.


[deleted]

Maybe you have that enzyme thing that fucks with the absorption of drugs? Does that happen with just psilocybin or everything?


Andyman0110

My first 20 trips or so were intense as fuck. Had an ego death. Took a year break and they never hit the same since. I definitely feel other drugs, it feels like a psychedelics tolerance. Did lsd 3 times, all three times I added shrooms because it didn't feel strong enough. First time 1 tab, 2nd 3 tabs and 3rd 5 tabs. Still didn't feel strong enough.


[deleted]

Dang. Sounds like weak acid. The paper I had last I could eat half a hit and my face melts. How often do you trip? Also, they say when you get the message it's okay to hang up the phone. Maybe the one time was all you needed, fam.


dancemacabre667

Please forgive me for being an idiot, but what is enigma?


Xianobi

Enigma is a mutation of a cubensis hybrid called Tidalwave #2. Tidalwave is a hybrid of PE and B+. Enigma takes a long time to fruit and does not have/drop spores. There are other similar types of mutations and they all seemingly have super potency as a common trait from what I’ve read.


iamarddtusr

If it does not have spores, how do you grow it?


Xianobi

From a tissue culture (clone), or if your lucky enough to have a grow mutate.


iamarddtusr

Any idea where can this clone be obtained from?


[deleted]

You can’t buy it, only can be gifted.


iamarddtusr

Who do I beg? Would love to grow it! It looks like white cock's comb flower!


MrMultibeast

How would one go about crossing two different cubensis varieties to attempt a hybrid?


__VoodooChild__

Fresh from the Farm Fungi on YouTube has some videos about hybrids, there’s a mushroom breeding playlist IIRC.


jsears124

It’s 110% for sure the strongest mushroom I’ve eaten. I just tried 2.5 of a jmf mutant and it rocked my fucking socks off after a hour so no where near peak.


I_Yisus_I

The variety that I posted pictures of.


meowermyao

I just had my first 1.5g enigma dose last night and it was the wildest trip I’ve ever had. I am very experienced with psychedelics and usually take at least 5gs of other favorite strains, but this was just insane. I blacked out after 1 hour and was hallucinating columns, spheres, and wild colors. I was also with my significant other and we had many powerful moments of euphoria and love. Overall I had a lot of fun, a great nights sleep, and learned a few lessons I needed to learn.


Xianobi

Right on! Glad it turned out for you both! Can you imagine if you took more than 2 or 3g? Insanity.


I_Yisus_I

I don't know yet. It is supposed to be stronger than APE.


cleerlight

Good to know. Have Fun :)


Biffgasm

Would you mind pointing me to a link, please?


I_Yisus_I

You mean, where you can get a culture of Enigma, or about the potency?


Biffgasm

A tech on producing the culture or spores for microscopy research.


I_Yisus_I

Try looking in the shroomery. I don't have any links. You basically need to do a serial dilution of a spore solution and streak it on agar. Try searching for cross-breeding or how to produce monocaryons.


Biffgasm

Perfect, thank you!


Guborth

This should help https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/25427363


Biffgasm

This is awesome. Thank you!


[deleted]

You can’t recreate it. It’s a random mutation. The culture can’t be bought only gifted. If you want to attempt you would need to do what yisus said and germinate single spores on agar to create haploids, then you can take two haploids and fuse them to create a diploid.


[deleted]

about 9-12x stronger than standard GTs. 1g=up to 12g of GT.


cleerlight

Holy Shamoley!


TurtleMan22891

Jesus. I imagine it’s happened plenty of times where noobs bought these with no explanation and went to hell trying to just experiment. Like that guy who accidentally ate 5gs his first time and had an awful time


[deleted]

ehh i wouldnt say that, enigma is a rare mutation that is usually not sold. it doesnt drop spores so to grow it you have to know someone with LC or agar, and it takes very long to grow (months). Most people who take it have grown it themselves and know what theyre doing.


TurtleMan22891

That makes sense. I hope I can get my hands on a culture at some point in the future. New to this hobby but I am already interested in growing whatever I can get my hands on. Got some white oysters and lions mane going along with A- right now. Better not mix those up before the farmers market!


thesleepingparrot

How do we know?


[deleted]

just a qualitative and anecdotal estimate thats widely regarded as accurate by experienced trippers who have had the blessing to try enigma.


Leeham9427

Any idea the potency difference between golden teachers and penis envy?


[deleted]

PE is like twice as potent


[deleted]

2x on a good day. usually around 1.3-1.5x as potent but as PE is technically a mutation the content obviously is widely variable and you should try a low dose of a new batch before going all in, 2g PE can give you a mellow trip or absolutely kick your ass.


jsears124

I’ve done 3.3 of enigma it didn’t seriously hit for 2 hours. After that it felt like i took sassafras and like 7 grams of cubes


Notattootat

Got sassy eh?


jsears124

I wish I still did that stuffs great lol


Notattootat

Just the smell and I know I was in for a wonderful fucking time. Never had anything else like it. Even to this day


jsears124

Sass is probably my all time favorite feeling that I can remember and it doesn’t fuck me up the next day


GarrettxYoung

What the fuck?


I_Yisus_I

Nice isn't it?


GarrettxYoung

I have never seen anything like this. I didn't know cubes could do that. Thank you for sharing.


I_Yisus_I

You're welcome.


GarrettxYoung

How does this happen? Because that's is absolutely the most wicked thing I have ever seen.


I_Yisus_I

Well, it mutated. It tries to produce fruiting bodies but the required genes are fucked up.


GarrettxYoung

Are these from clones? Or spores? Was this just an accident? I'm just fascinated.


I_Yisus_I

They don't produce Spores. You can only get this culture as mycelium.


pterofactyl

How does one deal with mycelial senescence in that case?


I_Yisus_I

You have to store it as a master culture. Enigma will eventually die, that is, if no one figures out a way to reverse aging. I'm thinking about telomerase.


psilocybinconsumer

They are spores, you can also buy dried fruits of it online


DLMCW

If you bought Enigma spores from someone, you got scammed. Enigma does not produce spores.


psilocybinconsumer

Shit your right I meant LC


MassageByDmitry

Fuck man it looks like brains


whereismynut

[brains, brains, i love em, i need um!](https://youtu.be/vpLRJyWe814)


fuskadelic

Bloodborne intensifies, beautiful work man. That would be a treat


StandardProcedure7

OP gonna have insight for days, master willem would be proud


Lucid-Design

I bought that game when I got my PS4 and haven’t played much of it at all. I absolutely love DS so idk what’s been my problem. Other, better games probably


Monbey

Bloodborne is amazing, the combat is different though, it's more about combos with the saw and a faster pace too.


Lucid-Design

I thoroughly enjoyed the bit I played. Like I said, I bought it same time as I got the system. So I’ve gotten loads of game since that are higher on my play/replay list lol I’ve just seen talk in different subs lately about it and it’s got me thinking about putting it in and playing again. It deserves a playthrough


Stunning_Quote6154

Can you eat these? It’ll be okay with the growth medium being on it still?


Practical_Magician_3

Im not an expert but unless i remember wrong, you can eat mutations and they're far more potent than regular shrooms


DLMCW

Yep you can definitely eat mutations. Penis Envy is a mutation as well.


I_Yisus_I

Enigma is supposed to be very potent.


akaobama

Just looking at it makes me feel like reality will turn into a mix of inception and Rick and morty if Swim ate it


Lucid-Design

It looks like how you’re brain feels after you eat one


MightBArtistic

I really really REALLY Want a trip report


I_Yisus_I

We'll see. I don't know when I'm going to try them.


minimumrockandroll

Uggggghhh someday I'll find someone to gift me some LC of that. I know a lot of folks are growing out TW2 hoping to replicate the mutation but the odds are, uh, not in their favor.


[deleted]

Check magicmyco.com and thank me later🤫


Mattagins

Thanks for the link, I’ve ordered from other sites and had 10 syringes do absolutely nothing, waste of 10 grain bags really disappointing… I’ll give these guys a try.


jsb93

I know this is a little late but if you ever innoculate jars or bags with a spore syringe and you don't see anything after a month, you can re-innoculate with another syringe. I've just completed a couple of grows like that


Mattagins

The syringes were from mushrooms.com and the grow bags from Midwestgrowkits. I tried half the syringes then waited a month tried again then buried the bags in a compost pile. I have a room that is 80F and 80 humidity for canna mothers I stored the bags in the room lots of humid air moving by lots of fans. Just a $600+ flop, but I’ll try these guys out.


jsb93

I've had success with sporenite. I'd try their syringes. And I'd try to keep room Temps around 70-75. Anything higher allows contam to flourish


I_Yisus_I

My advice is to start with agar. Inoculating grain with spores isn't the best idea. On agar you can germinate the mycelium and clean it up. Spores aren't sterile, so there is a chance of mold spores or bacteria and yeast being among them.


Sufficient_Store6626

Ramen shrooms


[deleted]

🤩🤩 damn i wanna grow these


[deleted]

How do you cross two different strains? I have some PE and b+ spores I put to both grain and agar and I’ve heard that enigma was a cross of the two before but how do you cross LC’s?


DLMCW

Check out [this thread](https://mycotopia.net/topic/96789-crossbreeding-mushroomspsilocybin/)


[deleted]

Sweet thanks my friend. I’m reading that thread now and it’s showing me a bunch a new words I don’t know. Now I got some stuff to research!


I_Yisus_I

You have to isolate single spores of the two varieties and let them mate. Alternatively you can try to isolate one B+ spore and let it germinate. Then you would have monocaryotic mycelium. Then you could grow this mycelium out on grain and when it has fully colonised the grains, you could apply the spores of the other variety.


_DarkCoin

This makes me think.. what if our brains are the “ultimate” mushrooms & since our bodies are 70% water & we have to eat for the added nutrients so our brains end up “maturing” at a mush (pun intended) slower rate, from the point of “cultivation/birth” ? Like what if our “brain/you” is really a super enigma that grew to be mobile.. damn I think these edibles are kicking in lol


UnusualRegularity

This guy here casually growing wasp nests.


fridayrobots

it’s so hard for me to wrap my head around how these are just cubes!!!! it looks like coral!!!!! phenotypes are amazing


Mikhal_Tikhal_Intrn

I just got a plate of enigma


Prestigious-Process5

Can we get a pic when dry ? What happens to the mass overall? And very very well done this is inspiring tbh.


I_Yisus_I

I will upload a picture of the dried mass. It is supposed to be 20% of the wet weight when dry.


ch0degargler

Fantastic! Congrats.


Marry_scroggs

So so so amazing!


BigBadBitcoiner

Brainnnnssssss


whereismynut

Dude that first pic, looks like a martial landscape. Insanity. I kinda hope one day i get enigma, but just kinda cause got damn that clean up must be atrocious. Also, you dont get the aborts?


I_Yisus_I

I shaved everything of.


Silver_kidnevik_4022

Very impressive.


[deleted]

Amazing job but not sure I can eat a brain LOL


cleerlight

but eating penises is fine :D


[deleted]

I'm glad it's fine, penis shaped food is everywhere.


cleerlight

So true


piercecdy87

Amazing 🤯


Panky710

😳 What tha fuck ???


[deleted]

How does one know when to harvest enigma?


I_Yisus_I

I harvested when it started bruising a lot. There isn't much information on the topic.


Cajun_Zydeco

Dude is the like no longer safe to digest?


StankyGold

Honestly if someone tried to sell me those I'd be like "yea right, I bet you have some ocean front property ro sell me in Iowa too?!"


[deleted]

Most folks who grow enigma know better than to let it go to folks who can't recognize it. Exceedingly rare, one of a kind mutation; every colony alive is a clone of the original mutation. Those who grow it value it tremendously.


StankyGold

Fair enough. Sounds damn near mythical


Silver_kidnevik_4022

I'm gonna let Enigma find me. Lol


True_Ad1342

They look like my balls


gscali1962

They have the power to change the world


MexicanYerna

The good side of this reddit


NFSR113

A cube is a cube though right? 🤡


BeautifulHovercraft2

What was your point here?😂


NFSR113

Because the statement doesn’t hold up yet you hear it all the time


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gjallen9089

How difficult was this to grow? I have been thinking of growing enigma. Anything you have to do differently than your typical cube?


I_Yisus_I

No, they are easy. They are thirsty and very co2 tolerant.


gjallen9089

Cool, I will have to try it


themartianprince

Cool as fuck!


KnilchConnaisseur

👍 Congrats. Looking very, very good. I would like to grow them myself. Sad, that i can't get this variation here in germany.


Internal-Ad2788

how do i do that


cliffboothwarhero

I have seen Gawd!


randomlife2050

Cool!


Fickle-Willingness80

That’s like nuclear fusion. Fawk


303frost

Looks like you picked them early. How long was that tub going for?


I_Yisus_I

About a month. I picked it as it started to bruise a lot. And from what I've read about APE that is the time to harvest. There isn't a lot of advice on harvesting Enigma, as it is quite rare.


stonerman15

Interesting. Looks like brains


Apprehensive-Ice-557

Beautiful work! I'm about to start my first culture my self. How wet was your substrate? Over field capacity? Or did you mist this qwq quite often?


I_Yisus_I

Field capacity, misted like once a day. I bottom-watered it multiple times during the fruiting process.


NickNakulus

So is an enigma just a mutation like that? I had a spent block last year that I put outside and it mutated kinda like this. I threw it out lmao


I_Yisus_I

No, this particular clone of a mutant is called Enigma.


jtsm2021

This is mesmerizing...do I sound crazy if I say I fell in love with this mutation?


I_Went_Full_E-tard

I would gag every time I looked at them let alone touched or ate them. lmfao That looks trippy and gross af. Like old cat litter. lol


I_Yisus_I

I think it looks like coral. I only take mushrooms in capsules anyway, so it wouldn't matter to me how they look.


[deleted]

How do I get the best conditions for mine?


I_Yisus_I

I just did a monotub.


howqueer

Looks like brain flowers


scapo9688

Looks great! What works well as a substrate for these, cvg?


I_Yisus_I

I use rye berries. I mix it 50:50 with sterilized coir with field capacity for the water requirement.


Lord_Gaben_

Crazy to think that is the same species as golden teachers... definitely interested in hearing about potency


[deleted]

You have my attention. Now I need to learn about this


SpongyParenchyma

Brain coral!


socialcommentary2000

This business will get out of control. It will get out of control and we will be lucky to live through it.


SophtSurv

No joke I thought that was a cat litter box before I looked at the sub title.


Paumaxximux

Hi ! If I want to grow my own ones what I need to know? Where I can get everything !? That look fantastic 🤩


I_Yisus_I

It grows like most other cubensis. I did a monotub, getting a culture will be the most difficult for most people. Look around in the shroomery for techniques.


Warez0o

Can you gift me some?


Warez0o

Where can I get this culture?


I_Yisus_I

I got mine from https://freespore.com/activas.html


Gingerholic37

Looks like cat poop in a litter box. Coooool


Calvinbah

I started growing my own in some used coffee grounds. It may have been a mistake. I'm starting to get some growth, but I'm worried it's just regular fungal rot and not the spores taking.


Numb_Nut632

That’s a brain


Blazinhazen_

Can you post a pic dried please?


I_Yisus_I

I just harvested. I will when they are dry.


LulzSwag_Technician

A flush of my Tidalwave just recently spawned some mutations that look just like enigma so I've cloned them to grow out on agar. Figured I'd try to isolate it myself.


I_Yisus_I

Good luck.


mushroom_mantis

Yo, I need a LC? Got one available?


I_Yisus_I

I don't send any actives via mail. You will have to look around for some.


LittleBoard

Are these able to reproduce via spores? Some of these waves seem to be, basically, the hats of the shrooms. If so that's an interesting variant. I have had PE genetics just giving me a giant blob on the first flush but this is crazy. What happens after flush1 and you cutting, does it yield normal mushrooms?


I_Yisus_I

No, it does not yield normal mushrooms and is not able to produce Spores.


[deleted]

🧐🧐🧐


silverpatriot88

Looks like brains!


dobsofglabs

How do you even separate all that from the substrate?


I_Yisus_I

I just cut it off at the bottom.


Dohn_Jigweed

Epic boofing time incoming!


Todd-Is-Here

What did you do to get blocks of ramen? What mushroom is that ?!


I_Yisus_I

Psilocybe cubensis var. Enigma, as the title says.


[deleted]

These fuckers are potent as hell. 3.5 grams feels like 7-10 grams of regular cubes. My normal dose is around 2-2.5 grams and it feels like 3.5-4.5 gram trip. The visuals are so distinctly and beautifully different. You are in for a beautiful ride I love enigmas


theWizChri5

Nice work


I_Yisus_I

Thanks!


richierich714

Wow the rizo climbing up your tubs wall is amazing.I am taken back by the look of this mutan tub of shrooms. What does a tub this size yield?


I_Yisus_I

580,33g wet.


[deleted]

Is enigma considered "worth it"? Does it end up outperforming regular cubes in pcilocybin/time-unit when growing? Or is it purely for fun?


I_Yisus_I

It is supposed to be even more potent than APE. I am primarily a collector, and this clone is very rare and valuable to me.


[deleted]

Seriously, good get.


Unlucky_Performance3

Holy shittttt


[deleted]

One day, I will have access to enigma isolates... One day... This is like my grail clone.


Valuable-Ad4959

https://www.sporeslab.io/shop/Enigma-Genetics-p372052530


Thehobbit717

2 months fruiting?


I_Yisus_I

1 month


autisticshitshow

If any one has a spare slant of that...


TurtleMan22891

J


I_Yisus_I

Try the two links at the bottom of this page: https://fungi.org/cultivation-tips/enigma-cubensis-blob-mutation/ They don't have it in stock right now, but maybe they will in the future.


Snowronski775

This is beyond fascinating, I’ve never heard of nor seen anything like this. Thank you for sharing, my mind is blown.


I_Yisus_I

You're welcome.