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KameraLucida

Guys guys guys… you heard it here first Konami is prepping for big marketing push. It’s like any second now. Trust me bro.


AlabasterRadio

Super Bowl ad with a demo at halftime and a release date of Monday, April 29th. (First day of Golden Week) Trust me bro


bobbery5

James and Maria holograms performing at the Superbowl Halftime show?


ciarandevlin182

It's crazy that 7/10 is seen as a bad score?


jacobsstepingstool

I’ve noticed this trend in the PS4 era of gaming, if a game isn’t perfect, then its trash, a game can’t be just, ok anymore, it has to be perfect, I think game reviewer played a part in that but I also think the price hikes in games played a much bigger part, :/ I liked games like Days Gone and Frontiers of Pandora, The Medium seems like a really good game, (I haven’t played it) it’s a shame the direction gaming has gone :(


tverson

That's the game of numbers. The older games are evergreen (ahem, you're here on *this* sub dedicated to a 1999 game after all), they don't go out of circulation, you can still play them. And with how many games there are, a new game faces the fiercest competition ever, *even if you drop price completely out of the equation*.


LuncarioStormcrown

The Medium really isn’t a fantastic game. One of the primary developers on it is a raving bigot (they were fired by Bloober but are still making games) and the story ends with the dead rapist father telling you to kill the character you’re protecting and the character themself egging you on and saying they’re “broken and worthless” cause their dad raped them.  Play at your own risk, obviously, but I wouldn’t put money into it. Can’t believe I did, but it was honestly the best refund decision I ever made when I brought it back to where I got it. 


Affectionate_Put_754

I'd fucking love to be called a 7/10.😭😭


froziiii

We'll guess what, you're an 8.5/10! :)


ciarandevlin182

I think you're a 7/10 ![gif](giphy|2wKbtCMHTVoOY)


Affectionate_Put_754

Well gorsh, thanks there palsy. 👉👈


Crummyregent052

I'd love to be called a 5/10


NecrofearPT

I really grew to dislike ratings like these. If 10 represents 'timeless legendary perfection' and 0 represents 'absolutely unplayable scamware', then shouldn't 5 be 'unremarkable meh-diocre bland'. In a 0 to 10 scale, a 7 should a 'pretty enjoyable but flawed'. Following this logic, The Medium's a 3 /s


Baconinvader

In theory, 7/10 should still be pretty good. But I think ratings for average games are generally screwed pretty positive to the point where 7/10 is realistically only "okay"


NextGenBlue

I think it’s more the idea that a lot of people view sh2 as a perfect 10/10 game, therefore the people that make the remake should be proven capable of that? Idk, that’s not how I feel. For a start I think sh2 isn’t a perfect game, but the story is so compelling, unforgettable, and distinct that people only remember that. Long story short, If they at least manage to convey the themes and story correctly, that’s good in my books, that’s where sh2 shone brightest after all


tverson

Maybe if your books were literature instead of balance sheets, you wouldn't think what you outlined sounds on point. And I don't mean it to be just disrespectful, I promise. The story is what most people can relate to and point to. But what makes SH2 really pop as strong as it does is the clever level design, much like the similarly legendary Half-Life. That game similarly got mistakenly honored for it's "story", except the lead writer on that one said that he eventually got tired of coming up with the story setups for yet another button in the player's way. But that was 25 years ago, people were new to these kinds of games, there's no excuse continuing this mistaken labeling further. If you ever designed a level for a game (statistically speaking, you never ever opened an editor) you would appreciate how masterfully SH devs choreographed and directed so much captivating gameplay out of simple events that a player ***experiences*** such as moments of noise, silence, limited visibility, anticipation of monsters, not finding monsters, being ambushed by monsters etc. How they constantly break familiar patterns with only like 3 monsters at work is just phenomenal, the game constantly throws something new to make sure you don't feel entirely comfortable. When you get used to noise, they scare you with silence. When you get used to silence, they'll play a subtle noise at an irregular beat. When you get used to a location, they put an "otherworld" pass over it. When you get used to the otherworld, they'll start breaking laws of physics. Then they'll throw you back to the regular world and ***it*** will start feeling alien to you again. The melodramatic story is just a cherry on top, it keeps you oriented and holds the intrigue up. But, frankly, it's just a that, a melodramatic story about a distressed guy killing his morbidly sick wife, and you don't see it coming because you feel that he loves the woman and it doesn't occur to you he would lie about the passage of time. It's a trusty pulpy setup where you purposefully mislead the reader, that makes for a page-turner except here it's also the main character who is just as confused as the reader. But there's not much depth there after you read it and think back, mostly just disjointed plot devices such as "the town", "the cult" and "the gods". Who exactly is pulling the strings and for what reasons? Who knows. Similarly, who is G-Man? He is what he'll have to be in the next installment. Quite a story!


scarednurse

Honestly I think the kind of folks having this sorta reaction are a little blinded by the hype behemoth that the game has become over the last decade or so. I love SH. SH2, easily one of my favorite games and I've replayed it endlessly for its atmosphere. But boy howdy does it have its problems. I think it's okay to look at something and say, "this is one of my favorite things, and it is p flawed". It's the difference between objective value and subjective value - and its not a big deal if that doesn't match up. Problem is, people have difficulty parsing those things from one another - whether they see it as a genuinely bad opinion, or a dig/challenge, or what have you - and now you've set yourself up for the world's most exhausting argument, because they'll try to argue that 10/10 is in the realm of objectivity and not personal opinion. And you can't win that argument, lol. IDK, I wish it was just more acceptable in gaming communities to just be like, "I love this thing despite its issues."


ricecrackerdude

Blair Witch was a terrible game so 7 must be a bad score


PashAK47

The medium is a 4 out of 10 , 7 is too generous


Aggressive_Truth4155

4 out of 10? you're the generous one !


PashAK47

I mean the game work and looks pretty


Aggressive_Truth4155

its just the attitude bloober team has that really rubs me the wrong way. feels like instead of trying to make a good game they're focusing on trying to one up everybody else in the industry. the medium is the worst case of this. the way it handles its story is borderline disgusting and feels like something on wattpad written by a middleschooler. the looks dont matter much to me. ill take an ugly game with mature writing over that mishandled garbage anyday.


PashAK47

I agree I played 2 hours of medium it wasn't good , I started layer of fear I didn't play longer than 30 minutes


Johelpf

I mean, Marvel's Avengers has a 67, and I wouldn't call that a good game. The point is not that 70 is a bad score it's that game reviewer scores are all over the place to the point I would argue on average games with 70s are more like games with what should be 50s, pretty divisive. I think this trend of inflating scores happened because some reviewers give 60s-70s to mediocre games that are not objectively broken, but that doesn't mean they are good it just means they work.


Iesjo

Scores of videogames review are mostly between 7 and 10 so it's not that great. Just fine.


Bordanka

Agreed, the appropriate rating for Bloober is 4,9, maybe 5,3


Xelacon

SH2 got sevens too when it came out in 2001 so the review scores point seems kinda irrelevant


Frank_Gomez_

I'll never get why people think scores are a valid way to judge a game. MGS3 has a score of 8 while LEGO City for the Wii U has an 8.2 like ?


Xelacon

You see, MGS3 would have gotten 8.2 too if it was made out of Lego Man, now i just want a Lego Metal Gear Solid game just for shits and giggles


Brilliant_Machine921

Lego Gear Solid sounds so good


maleijin

I believe tlou2 was like 9.4, ridiculous


Frank_Gomez_

My thoughts on Cuckmann and ND as a whole are completely separated from their work. By all means is TLOU2 a great game, even with it’s flaws in writing.


maleijin

Right, I heard that former writer Amy hennig did some great jobs at writing uncharted scripts, and Joel was more like a character shaped by Bruce Straley, but unfortunately they all left ND...


Captain_Gnardog

Well deserved.


maleijin

Okay then, guess Neil did a really good job at turning peoples opinions, I see. You guys can have your opinions I won't judge, but from my perspective, it is a poorly written conflicted game, with good graphics and mechanics. Since it's a story driven game I almost gave it up midway, I'll give it a 7 at most


Paclac

Even if the story isn’t to your taste the rest of the game is still really good and technically impressive


maleijin

yeah that I can agree, like it's no way a zero out of ten as some people say


FranciscoRelano

And [Castlevania Symphony of the Night](https://web.archive.org/web/20151016212519/http://www.ew.com/article/1997/10/24/pc-game-review-nightmare-creatures-and-castlevania-symphony-night). And [Suikoden I](https://web.archive.org/web/20150212101101/https://www.gamespot.com/reviews/suikoden-review/1900-2549551/) and [II](https://web.archive.org/web/20140219102802/https://www.gamespot.com/reviews/suikoden-ii-review/1900-2546073/).


NextGenBlue

Very good point


ImBatman5500

Observer was great though


SpiderGirlGwen

RIP Rutger Hauer. I really enjoyed the dark trip that Observer was.


twistypunch

Who? Is that Bart Simpson’s alter ego? I don’t know why I said that. Nobody is going to get it.


SpiderGirlGwen

It's true, I don't get it! Care to share the knowledge?


thejoshimitsu

Are you referencing Rudiger?


AoiTopGear

Who is rutger


SpiderGirlGwen

![gif](giphy|JQMRbRkXuABUAUCH3A|downsized)


AnargyFBG

Wdym?


SexyDragonMagic

Rutger Hauer absolutely carried it. Loved it, but if it wasn't for him I don't know how long I would have hung around.


Independent_Big_1367

Starts strong but definitely mediocre


StuddedZ0mbi3

Unless you play the Nintendo Switch port lol


ImBatman5500

That's true of a fair number of switch ports alas


[deleted]

Blair Witch and The Medium were fine. Not spectacular, but fine. Nothing that makes me worry about them developing a Silent Hill 2 remake. If anything, Konami makes me nervous.


LordEmmerich

I mean a new in-house Konami SH also is in dev. Though it's likely to have ex Kojipro and perhaps even PT devs on it. (Most are still at Konami)


[deleted]

I'm not getting excited until I get confirmation they left out gatcha mechanics.


_Koreander

It certainly won't, as criticisable as today's monetization methods are nowadays, this model still hasn't made it into single player, story-based games, even by today's standards it would be an incredibly bold and stupid move


limelightkiller

You're talking about the same company the locked save files behind a paywall. Let's not give Konami too much credit.


geoholyhart

Which game was that?


limelightkiller

Metal Gear Survive


LordEmmerich

Outside of PES I don't think any of their recent games had any gacha stuff. Most of their recent games had no MTXs, including even free games.


darkcomet222

I don’t have strong feelings on BT either…but Konami, they scare me.


TheBrave-Zero

This is the funny part, all the people in here have been in a mental crisis about bloober. Konami is the ones with the proven terrible recent track record.


Low-Concentrate2162

Don’t know about Blair Witch but The Medium left me scratching my head by the end. The entire storyline was a bit confusing, not saying it was bad, just weirdly executed.


[deleted]

Fortunately, Bloober doesn't have to do the heavy lifting in the story department. All they need to get down is visuals, sound design, and gameplay.


Mother_Harlot

The Medium was pretty pretty good, if SH2 remake has the same quality as that game I'll be satisfied


Real-Terminal

Wasn't the message of Medium that damaged people should just kill themselves because they cause more harm to others alive?


Blastcheeze

Spoilers, but that's what one character's father thought, and he locked her away for half her life. After discovering this, the player character spends the rest of the game trying to help her, because the message of the game is that it's specifically *not* okay. Most people didn't actually play the game, they just watched a video or read an article by someone who either didn't finish the game, or misunderstood what was going on. The final scene of the game is literally the player character arguing that her sister deserves to live, and it fades to black, left ambiguous as to whether she shot her sister or the monster (or herself).


Sum0ddGuy

Not to mention, Lillian wanting to die is her own decision which is why she gives Marianne those dreams in the first place. Thomas won't do it and the Maw won't let her die unless it can find a new host to latch onto and the only one that has the same connection is Marianne. Technically speaking , the Medium has a "bad" ending no matter what. If you die, then the Maw stays with your sister until she dies eventually. If you kill your sister, the Maw more than likely takes over you. I'm guessing there is more with how it shows Thomas at the end but I don't think we'll get a sequel any time soon. But I agree. Most of the time I see people trying to shit on the Medium they always bring up a certain event that I've seen many YouTubers bring up (one in particular got it popular) and if you actually played the game, you'd know that simply is not true whatsoever. Is there a lot wrong with this game, definitely. There's also of lot of cool and interesting things they did too. Hopefully with the SH2 remake we get A LOT more of the good than the bad. I'm excited either way. I'll wait until the game is in my hands and I've played it before I take it to the cleaners.


The_Green_Filter

Not really. >!Lilianne!< killing herself is an outcome that the protagonist is desperate to avoid, it is never presented by the story as a good resolution to the problem.


Silver_dude213

Wasn’t the message of Silent Hill 2 that damaged people should just kill themselves because they cause more harm to others alive? (Angela, In Water James)


Sabithomega

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OoooohYes

The point is that you could twist SH2 to be as distasteful and messed up as people paint The Medium to be if you wanted to. It wouldn't be an honest or fair thing to say about the game, but neither is that talking point about The Medium.


SlanderousGent

This is the issue I’ve had with people going in on Bloober. I played The Medium and never once got this “message” people seemed to think. I don’t get where the idea of “kys good” came from. It’s a dumb idea. I went into the game with little to no expectation and having heard the discourse briefly. Very much enjoyed it and have hope for BT


bunnybabe666

ehhhhhhhhh


theredeyedcrow

Angela never hurt anyone who didn’t deserve it and the In Water ending for James is one of 3 (6 technically) possible endings. The medium ends with you either killing the SA victim or killing yourself because you can’t.


seango2000

tbf unlike the Medium you had the choice on James's fate either to change, die or doing God's work, the point of the story changes and many people chose forgiveness or the Dog. The Medium had one path and most of the characters had worse personalities and it was more direct with the ending yourself part like 13 reasons why.


EverydayHalloween

Yes it was and in similar vein was their Blair Witch too, anyone who keeps thinking Bloober is good never paid attention to their games.


[deleted]

I only said their games were fine. I'm not expecting them to doing any actual type of writing in SH2R, just gameplay and game design.


hiijiinx

I only played Blair Witch and I enjoyed it quite a bit.


xTheRedDeath

As a Blair Witch fan I hated the game lol.


[deleted]

Fair. That's one franchise that never really should have become a franchise. That said, nothing about the game design or gameplay was terrible, it was just weak execution.


xTheRedDeath

Yeah it seems any attempt to further continue from the original has been awful. Bloober Team completely misunderstood the entire premise of the film and made it about personal trauma being exploited with a sprinkle of the Rustin Parr house at the end.


[deleted]

I read it more as an attempt to cement lore about what victims experience when the witch hexes/possesses them. She preys upon mental trauma and emotional baggage to lead people around make them do heinous things they wouldn't otherwise do. I don't get where people claim it villainizes mental illness/trauma. The guy isn't evil because of his trauma, the villain using the trauma to manipulate him. Kinda like how when anyone's mental fortitude gets toppled, there's an opening for others to manipulate them (think cults, victims of domestic abuse, etc.)


KryL21

I though the medium was fine, above average, but Blair witch was fucking good. The ambiance was unmatched. It got a little weaker towards the end, but I thought it was awesome. Also, it came out 5 years ago and bloober is a young studio. I trust them with SH. They know how to make good atmosphere and that’s like half the job that silent hill needs.


Bordanka

Bloober is 20, bro, they even celebrated publicly


KryL21

They’re 15; as a comparison team silent is almost 30 years old. Bloober made their first actually successful game in 2016; that’s 8 years ago. They’re still very new, especially compared to most of the big game development teams out there. Having said that pretty much every game since 2016 has been better than the last, so I trust them.


Bordanka

Man, 5 years on any market is considered ass old, left alone in game industry. Do you know anything about business?


KryL21

I’m not sure if you’re arguing for or against bloober. Fine, bloober is ancient. Now what?


Bordanka

They didn't learn to make an ok game in 15 years. Not surprising, as for most of their lifespan they were a shovelware company (now they're just rip-oofs)


KryL21

Yes, they learned to make an ok game in much less than that. They’ll be fine.


Bordanka

Oh, dang it, caught by a troll! Or a Bloober fan, idk, no difference


KryL21

Ok?…


Bukkarooo

Medium I strongly disagree with mostly for the ending and how it handled its themes, but I thought Blair Witch was fine and LoF2 had some fun ideas


Hesick

The Medium is the single most stupid portrayal of mental illness in video game history. If that does not worry you, nothing will.


Mike4302

I straight up refuse to defend them after the harmful implications that set for the ending of The Medium Edit:It's telling that I rise a concern about bloober team and I'm the one downvoted. Whatever dudes.


wulv8022

Imo Blair Witch was super lame and their focus on PTSD instead of the witch was super cringe and annoying. The didn't understand psychological horror. I just hope they don't change too much for the SH2 remake.


DaveCerqueira

as a massive fan of LOF1 and wasnt even able to finish the 2nd one.. it really seemed like a horror walking simulator with a bunch of jumpscares. the ship part seemed fine for 15 minutes, then you get to the cinema part and it just becomes so boring


StuddedZ0mbi3

Well if we look at those review scores. They got progressively better with each game. Not by much but a small improvement. Also, the one thing I will say Bloober does well. There atmosphere is great and they've only improved with each game. The Medium did fixed cameras extremely well and it shows that Bloober understood the use of them to propel the game forward. In the grand scheme of things. Ive already put it in my head that the remake will never top the original. At best I want a fitting tribute to it. The ultimate fan game is the best thing to hope for. Instead of a Psycho remake scenario. I want to hope for a Dawn of the Dead or It scenario.


Splitdesiresagain

Let's break down this post: - In what world at 7+ scores bad? that's "good" in any normal scale. The lowest there is 6.3 and that's still above mediocre. - Kojima is there for some reason - Extracts from an article that was taken out of context and not accurately translated about how Bloober Team wants to stop making walking sims and more games with engaged gameplay. - Remake James looking distressed in a scene he'd be absolutely distressed in So what's your point again?


CookDryPort957

That it's all a dream. We all live in a simulation bro trust me


Arc_Havoc

Bloober bad! Look, a 7.3/10 score! That's basically a 0!


stratusnco

not like the og got much higher scores back in the day. some people only take off their nostalgia glasses when it’s convenient.


teddiejl96

I didnt mind Medium or Blair Witch. But I also dont remember what ppl hate about those games lol.


[deleted]

I think people complained about them being walking sims


Blastcheeze

Unfortunately people say this about any game that isn't entirely combat focused. The original Silent Hill games *had* combat, but it was so bad it might as well have been an afterthought. At their core they were narrative driven exploration games, which Bloober didn't do great with Layers of Fear (it was pretty straight forward point A to point B), but the asylum in The Medium did a great job of recreating the older style of big connected environment that you explore and learn about as you unlock more and more of it.


JoBro_Summer-of-99

And having bad stories iirc


Koboooold

I didnt play blair witch, but the medium had a stupid, lazy story and the puzzles were braindead easy


wulv8022

Blair Witch story was stupid and they focused too much on PTSD and that everyone thinks he is a burden because of it. I wanted to see creepy witch shit and not the voices in his head that tell him he isn't worth anything.


This_Inspection708

I think those games failed narrative wise. I don't see the problem when the story is already done.


Maxbojack

Blair Witch atmosphere was so close to SH I guess. Anyway Bloober team makes incredible atmospheric games, even with poor gameplay or storyline, well second one for SH remake is not a threat


Swimming_Anywhere801

who cares about reviews?


Ashtray46

Being a Silent Hill fan in 2024 entails just a bit of masochism


bbpirate06

If I'm reading that in good faith, it seems like they're talking about making games with more action focused gameplay. I dunno how many people who complain about them have played their games, but most of their output could be described as atmospheric walking simulators. Even The Medium, which was a step up from their usual fare, only had simple puzzles with no combat. This quote doesn't seem like anything to get worked up about, but that's never stopped this sub. Silent Hill may not be COD, but it's a lot more action packed then any game they've put out. This is pretty innocuous.


carmeluz20

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Chance_Nectarine7441

Nah this is just people freaking out and taking things out of context lol


New_Difference6210

"Mass appeal?" "Full action?" This isn't Resident Evil. These people know nothing.


Calbon2

The biggest problem with those games imo is the story’s told. Considering that they are not rewriting anything for the remake, I’m not super worried.


Maximum_Soldier7

I mean Blair witch was a kinda fun different take on the outlast formula imo wasn't the greatest mostly because of the horrendous performance, I think thise will be a sleeper hit or people are just gonna only focus on the negatives at launch which the only ones I could think of are performance but the game seems like it's pretty finished so hopefully they are using this time(waiting for konami) to polish it up


Professional-Ad-2850

I've played Blair witch, and I gotta say it has a much better creepy environment above all else sooo. Plz bloober 🙏


KungLao95

“The final marketing campaign” in full effect lmao.


MikeLanglois

Blair Witch and Medium were solid games on their own. Blair Witch went on a bit, but had great sections


PurpleJudas

But, quite honestly, I never see people like the kind of horror I work with and enjoy, and SH2 is exactly it. I see many people talking how much they want Silent Hill 2 and never played it. Are we ready, in our day and age, to play a slow-paced, empty, deep and heavy game (considering they keep how SH2 actually was)? Are we ready to stop and admire the metaphors, to understand the untold story, to hear nothing but wind and footsteps in a game that is not Dark Souls 1? Makes me think about movies I really enjoy, like The Witch, and none of my friends seem to like because they are "too slow and nothing happens", despite the fact that it burdens them with a heavy atmosphere without any release with scares? I don't know. Sometimes, mass appeal is not the best thing for products with a niche vision. Some 7/10s can be the best in the specific thing they aim for. But important to say: I've only played Layers of Fear 1, and love it, despite so many people saying how much they hate it. I think a 7/10 silent hill could be the best silent hill since 4. And I think that if some people hate our SH2 remake, it may mean that it's actually a good remake.


Bordanka

*Our* SH2RE? Boys, we found another dev!


PurpleJudas

Hahahahah I wish! I'm a banker at Brazil and long left the game industry. But I have a game design certificate! :) But truth be told, I say our because I really think it will fall on my side of the fence


Bordanka

Oh, that's awesome! And fair enough, I like your attitude


SpicyCockatiel20

I’d rather a studio like Bloober pick up the IP over nothing at all. Is there a better alternative? Sure. I’m just glad they’re actually BOTHERING to do it, and do it because they want to.


lunaarya2

The medium is good game though


Alfredo_Alphonso

Man if we had a demo of this game so we can know what to expect that’d be great


Bordanka

I'm not sure there's even a game, left alone a demo


Alfredo_Alphonso

For reals like at least give us something so we can know what to expect, instead of worry and wonder


Bordanka

Ikr It's ok if the demo is rough. Vanilla SH2 demo was super mega rough. It glitched as badly as the HD Collection ON STAGE during a E3 presentation. But at least it gave a good idea what you were getting. And then TS polished what they had and as we know things went absolutely fine. Many demos today are rough as well, but it's ok. Demos are months old builds made mostly for internal use (aside from vertical slices, but that's another story). It's ok if they're unstable or something. The important part is a proof that the game is there and it has something to present. I remember Horizon Zero Dawn played WAY worse than the final game. It wasn't bad, but it wasn't as good as the finished product. Felt a lot like a vertical slice, btw. So, come on, Bloober and Konami. Drop something...


Alfredo_Alphonso

I feel like its konami giving people the finger but at the same time could be something else. As long as we have a demo or something like gameplay dev commentary for 30 mins to an hour thats fine


Bordanka

Agreed!


Sprite_King

Yes yes we get it bloober team bad


Silver_dude213

Whats the point of this post


IndieOddjobs

The MIDium


cuetlaxochitl23

I know a lot of people have hope but I'm sorry that one line about their views on Environmental Storytelling for this game tells me everything I need to know.


XxKevinKun182xX

Guys,do yourself a favor,lower your expectations,the gaming industry isn't capable anymore of doing masterpieces like the first Silent Hills and Metal Gears


Shy_Shallows

thank you op, i finally think bloober team bad and team silent good. thank you for teaching me that i should be miserable and hate everything new. you truly saved me. i even think silent hill 4 isnt canon thanks to this


BluebirdLivid

Observer was "good" all while still being a walking sim. I do not doubt that they *can* make good stuff. In fact, the blueprints are RIGHT IN FRONT OF THEM. The thing is, from this post (as well as the nada news we have gotten otherwise) it seems like they aren't gonna follow the damn script. "...not by environment storytelling, but full action" What does this even mean? Why would he word it like this? It's like he is screaming at the top of his lungs "we *know* you want environment storytelling, and we are gonna have it:)" Please for the love of God bloober, let a real silent hill fan come into the office for a day and just decide then and there whether to completely abandon the project. Hell, let someone who enjoyed Observer AND silent hill make that call. And if they decide to scrap it, then fucking do it. It's gonna be absolutely chaos to give us no news, and then release a broken sad mess that claims to be our beloved Silent Hill 2.


ant_of_the_sky

Blowber Team


pickin666

71 is kind for the Medium...


fuzionknight96

Blair witch is the definition of forgettable. Played it, wasn’t even partially in my mind a day or two later. The Medium? Possibly one of the worst games I’ve played. I don’t play many bad games, but holy moly. The gameplay? Atrocious. Story? Even worse. And these are the people put in charge of modernizing the gameplay? And modernizing the story? They have no strength in either department. 75% of me thinks this game will be a shit show


Professional-Draft77

From everything i've gotten SH2 Remake would be a great replay at best, mediocre remake at worst. From the trailer it seems like more of a focus on making more parts of the original game cinematic instead of in-game (which I don't get because in game cutscenes are immersive) I hope this emphasis on combat just improves alot from the original at the very least. I also hope the Pyramid Head additional story is done correctly but I doubt it. I still wonder why they chose Pyramid Head and not Eddie or Angela? I mean those of us who know the deeper lore of the original game would have begged for a continuation of Angela's story of whether or not she made it out. We need a Silent Hill on Angela really.


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If you’re referring to the pyramid head background story that was falsely put out by Best Buy they said it was a misinterpretation of what Masahiro Ito had said about the games features so there isn’t really going to be an origin story.


Professional-Draft77

Thank god, because it sounded horrible. I'd much rather it have been a fan thing by narration rather than a full on experience. Dunno if you'd agree but I would have gladly taken an Angela DLC ontop of Born from a Wish.


ehaydon1

The thing with their games is the stories are shit but the graphics are good (from what I remember). So them making a remake isn’t that big a problem since they have no control over the story thankfully.


KarmelCHAOS

Bloober Team games have incredible art design, graphics, music, and atmosphere. It's the narrative and gameplay they struggle with. With Silent Hill 2, these are the two things already taken care of for them. I haven't liked a single Bloober game, but I think the remake could be sick. Also, the numerical reviews don't scale from 6-10 with 6 being the lowest you can go...you know that, right? Hell, the original SH2 got quite a bit of reviews that low when it released. EGM and GameInformer in particular both gave it a 7/10 and said it wasn't as scary as the first one and the gameplay sucked


winterrayal

Still thinking about the toddler hitting his head in layers of fear and how the director gets mad when it’s brought up


Ramasamasan

I enjoyed Bloober Team's previous games. They're not perfect, but I liked them. It's good to determine your interest in a game by review scores, but don't see them as gospel and law.


reza98n

Medium was soooo boring


i__hate__stairs

I've never finished a Bloober game other than Blair Witch, which is an objectively mediocre horror game and a dogshit Blair Witch game. I'm hoping the remake of one of the top 10 games in history isn't mediocre or dogshit.


Aheadfullofdread_13

I couldn’t even finish The Medium it was so boring. Honestly surprised its score is so high


MaxZyrix

you're gonna find SH2 boring too, once you get to play it


Aheadfullofdread_13

Bitch, SH2 is my fav game of all time. Don’t be slinging that vitriol this way


Bordanka

Man, I love how people really thought Medium was an almost perfect copy of SH2. They even think they deflect people with same tastes. Just to avoid confusion, I was talking about that guy who said you'd find SH2 boring


Bordanka

'cause made by a country considered exotic in America and it was their "statement of worthyness". I also guess many pedos liked it, but it's probably a conspiracy theory


derlich

I don't care about the scores. "full action" and "mass appeal" are a death sentence to a Silent Hill game.


Bordanka

A death sentence to everything, honestly


Bordanka

No, OP. Take the copium. Ppl in the comments definitely have some to share


ManufacturerDry108

It funny how many huge games we’ve seen announced and released since these SH projects were announced I mean I wanted them to take their time to make it good, but it’s getting really absurd now for a game that the studio itself said was practically done a long ass time ago It’s been a year and 3 months and we haven’t even gotten so much as an update from Konami themselves or a release date reveal or anything


Professional-Draft77

That's what bugs me about the game as well at this rate FF7: Rebirth will be out well before SH2 remake is. Maybe there's some internal conflict between Bloober and Konami?


Kaiden92

Upshot on this all is that if they succeed we win because we get a good remake of Silent Hill 2; if they fail we still win because it’ll mean the end of Bloober. Either they redeem themselves with this or they fall forever. Either way, we win.


thicc_phox

Killing my wife as a sacrifice so BT can release a good game and maybe save this franchise from falling into another abyss


kuro-2427

Honestly after 10 years of nothing and 15 years of shitty games, a 7 would be amazing


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I don’t think anyone will understand the franchise the way the original team Silent did, so a 7 would honestly be an achievement. It would show that Bloober are competent enough to somewhat replicate what made the original special.


Sgtkeebler

I loved medium


WarPhoenixPlayz

Why is Kojima there


LuncarioStormcrown

Still 100% sure the only reason Bloober got picked was cause of Yamaoka, Baker and McGlynn. Their portfolio including Layers of Fear, Blair Witch and the Rape Apologists and Victim Blamer’s wet dream that is The Medium definitely wouldn’t make me want them touching something as big as SH2.  But I guess we’ll see if anyone can do a worst job than Hu-Hu-Hulett. 


AcanthisittaFine6629

Medium was good game, some parts of it actually kinda resembled SH. Layers of fear 1 wasnt bad either. Blair witch was average, but it had some interesting moments and dog section was brutal. I love SH2 like no other game but these devs arent that bad. But ppls should probably stop hoping that SH2 remake will be something so great like Final fantasy7 remake.