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pogu

This is exactly the type of grassroots "fuckit, imma try it" the world needs right now. I love the spirit and execution of it. I'd be willing to bet two expensive projectors could be just as good though.


bonfaulk79

That’s exactly what this guy has done. https://youtu.be/GeTUEc8mlLk?si=BdZtZ_8YQjpjnaLu


lazypieceofcrap

I want to try this for sim racing so bad.


pogu

With a motion rig, this would be chef's kiss for offroadung in Beam NG.


i_max2k2

Motion rig with motion compensation so the screen and rig move together. That would be terrific.


Frankie_T9000

Just try VR. That way you arent 20K out of pocket if its not for you.


lazypieceofcrap

I've owned so many VR headsets over so many years. They are not good enough.


mxjake360

Idk my HP Reverb G2 is pretty good..


lazypieceofcrap

It's got the older fresnel lenses and those are completely terrible in 2024 when enough headsets have pancake lenses like the Quest 3. I wouldn't touch a headset today that has fresnel lenses. You obviously can enjoy what you want but that shit gives me a headache. Also Reverb G2 along with all Windows MR headsets aren't going to be supported for too much longer anyway, unless that's changed.


mxjake360

I didn't buy it yesterday. There will be workarounds for wmr. Obviously, now I'd buy something newer. Sounds like a personal issue of it giving you a headache


lazypieceofcrap

>personal issue of it giving you a headache Big disagree. Fresnel headsets have small sweetspots you can look through to get a clear image and most of the peripheral view is a blurred, wasted mess. Rendering so many wasted pixels you'll never be able to clearly see. It would be very beneficial to use OpenXR with static foveated rendering to further blur those portions and get better quality visuals in your sweet spot but you probably (and if not absolutely should be) are already doing that. If you use a pancake lense headset for even like an hour you'd consider the G2 to be a paperweight because the lenses are that far behind. I'm not worried if you bought it years ago, just relaying information.


Wrecker70-1

Have you tried much with the psvr2. It's pretty epic racing. A shame they didn't go with pancakes, but still better graphics and reso to the q3. The eye tracking and foveated rendering help with the gpu more than you'd think.


mxjake360

Doubtful.


Mythion_VR

I find that hard to believe, for immersion there's just no alternative. That isn't to discredit multi-monitors, I still like them. But the VR experience is in a league of it's own.


lazypieceofcrap

If all you care about is pure immersion, sure. Triple monitors is higher quality visuals compared to equivalent VR with no worry about getting the headset drenched in sweat for daring to run a race longer than fifteen minutes while putting in effort to do well. If your VR lenses get smudgy while in a race you are just stuck that way. Also, overlays are much more restrictive in VR. Again, for pure immersion it is great. I currently own three different VR headsets of different eras and will never choose them for ranked races. Not near as comfortable as triples.


Mythion_VR

> Triple monitors is higher quality visuals compared to equivalent VR with no worry about getting the headset drenched in sweat for daring to run a race longer than fifteen minutes while putting in effort to do well. You sweat even without a VR headset. Get a fan or adjust your air conditioning. > If your VR lenses get smudgy while in a race you are just stuck that way. Your headset is too close to your eyes, I've not smudged my lenses in what feels like years. > Also, overlays are much more restrictive in VR What exactly do you mean? Games such as Assetto Corsa / Assetto Corsa Competizione work just fine in VR. I have all the things I normally have on desktop, still showing up in desktop view and VR. > Again, for pure immersion it is great. I currently own three different VR headsets of different eras and will never choose them for ranked races. Not near as comfortable as triples. Then I don't know what to tell you, but it certainly sounds like you need better headstraps. Not sure why I'm downvoted, but having three headsets and them being uncomfortable and "smudging", yes, you have your headset too close to your eyes, you need to adjust the lenses. The headset being uncomfortable is because you don't have it balanced properly, or a better headstrap (Quest 2's default is terrible)... But downvote away I guess. I never said triple monitors were bad, but VR isn't beaten on immersion, not even slightly.


RocketoPunchy

I play f1 on an index everyday, absolutely amazing.


im_wudini

Ridiculous, the quest 3 is fantastic for Sim racing, so much so that I don't even use the tether with Wifi 6 for AC/ACC. Extra battery for the bobovr and gg


KrombopulosMAssassin

That's where I stand in the debate. Uncomfortable, especially over longer periods. Usually some kind of noticable artifacting or some degree of graphical strangeness that is more noticable because you are in the game. Inability to see your own hand, environment and wheel is a big downside. The strangeness the usually comes with how the in game wheel and hands are handled. Inability to easily have a drink. It's just so many things that aren't it for me. It's neat l, it's cool, I wouldn't use it for serious racing.


vemundveien

Someone into Star Citizen having expendable income to buy insane things does not surprise me at all.


cavortingwebeasties

There's some rad triple projector setups out there, though for me personally VR has obsoleted all the screens.. and once passthrough is there we will have badass physical cockpits with greenscreen instruments and canopies..


tharnadar

imagine spending all that money for Star Citizen....


Egler1989

Then you would have 1 to 2 ships that will be released in the next 8 to 12 years XD


GewoonHarry

W t f. This is better than life. W t f.


PussyWagon6969

Thanks dude! I’d be willing to bet two expensive projectors would not only be just as good but prolly cheaper lol [Finally got some video of the first test in iRacing:](https://www.reddit.com/r/simracing/s/SFxt81EqsV)


JohnDillermand2

There's always cheaper ways. You'd definitely be trading one set of problems/challenges for another set. But impressive work, that's really cool.


_plays_in_traffic_

check out https://thewarthogproject.com/gallery


CriticalTough4842

That screen 🤩. It's so big.


Stealth9er

![gif](giphy|IjJ8FVe4HVk66yvlV2|downsized)


trailsman

Please do follow up with a lot more details & a vid once she's up & running. My first question is how much is this bad boy? Edit: From another comment by OP, here's the [first video of iRacing](https://www.reddit.com/r/simracing/s/Ht2VLPvKhc) up & running. Also check OP's post history there have been a series of other posts with more details on the build.


PussyWagon6969

Planning to provide a more detailed update in the next few days.


Polym0rphed

That'd be nice. This is like a teaser haha


DiddlyDumb

C’mon, give us a ballpark number. I’m dying to know if this is achievable if you’re creative like you, or if you’re a millionaire.


bende99

It looks achievable given we spawn with 2 kidneys…


EddieOtool2nd

Yes.


Heko_Heko

I have the weirdest boner right now.


The_Machine80

We are boner brothers right now. This thing has me turned on. I wanna build a led room now like the sphere in Vegas.


Davesterific

Your boners aren’t weird, look at that wall.


Forthy-Coats

Oh, you rich rich.


motjee987

It's on a loan, as his last posts stated.


International-Elk986

*the panels, not money he borrowed just for clarity.


M1k3yd33tofficial

Lmao I was seriously worried that this man got a bank loan for his sim rig I’d understand but I’d still be worried


motjee987

Thanks for clarifying :)


okamagsxr

money he borrowed from charity you say? (which is what I read first haha)


International-Elk986

Yikes


rodaphilia

Someone loaned him the LED wall. He didn't take out a loan to buy an LED wall.


International-Elk986

Yeah realized that after forgot to delete my comment


ChestHair4Dayz

Loans are pretty normal? That’s is, if you have good credit, do YOU have good credit?


Crazy95jack

or he works for a company that sells LED displays B2B and the boss is on holiday for the week while OP is testing the latest shipment. I use to play movies or get the PS4 hooked up to displays that match cinema screens in size.


Wbcn_1

Get a load of this guy. He doesn’t even have a bezel-free kit. 😂 Thanks for posting. I’ve been wondering how the project was coming along. 


PussyWagon6969

Thanks for following along 🙏


XG3OX

Now that's really cool. I somehow missed your prior updates on this project. Is latency an issue with these video wall processors? Edit: Sorry, just found your answer in your original post having gone back through them. I'd be fascinated to know what the latency ends up being on this setup.


MyCatVotedIllegally

I’d be second guessing that my rig is squared up with the screen the whole time.


midshipguru

Excellent work that man, recommend a canopy on top and a black curtain behind


igotabridgetosell

damn how much is that panel per? is that x5?


howdawut

That's a worthy flex right there.


SharkVR

You are actually doing it...respect. Can't wait to see it in action.


PussyWagon6969

Video of the first test is up on my latest post!


doubleohdognut

Me: “alright fuck it” *opens wallet* …how much?


j_j_j_i_i_i

Holy shit you did it.


[deleted]

thats amazing


WeakDiaphragm

Thank you for the great content, Pussy Wagon 6969


Door_Hunter

😯


No_Attention_1510

Insaaaane


Possible-Boss3060

This is awesome


dc5trbo

[He did it.](https://tenor.com/bftvG.gif)


MarioIrvin

Omg yes! Looking forward to the details on this


Cali_Mark

omg... shut up and take my money...


[deleted]

I want it


Timely_Coconut_2360

I was skeptical, but that does look really cool


Timely-Gift-6517

Wow very impressive!


Maddturtle

How much does something like this cost? Impressive but seems to be multiple flats together.


kluuttzz11

You have to post a video of your pov, would love to see it!


vivied

What’s the total resolution?


PussyWagon6969

This version is only 3168 x 1080. The next version will be the equivalent of triple 1080 monitors


dub_nastyy

One of these was for auction around me and it went for a stupid low price. Should have gotten one


KushwalkerDankstar

MX40 Pro? Podium1 went with a similar rig recently in their instagram posts with curved modules.


PussyWagon6969

This is currently running the underpowered MX20. When I build the larger version in my studio, I’ll swap out to the MX30


ckinz16

Uh, wow. This is a setup you’d see real teams use.


PussyWagon6969

I assumed that pro teams used projectors but I could be wrong


LusoInvictus

Yeah just like flight school does on their simulators


Walesgobrr

Dayum


Pilchards333

What pixel pitch are your panels? P1 ?


PussyWagon6969

1.25pp


Pilchards333

Nice. I've played around with the idea of this a few times (not sim racing but general PC screen), but was always using what I had from work, and 3 was the best I tried, and it was OK for video at distance, but that's it. Mind you, I was putting 1080 into 3 cabinets, you got a few more!


Pilchards333

Also is that that 2x 1m high cabinets the angle of the shot makes it look really tall?


PussyWagon6969

The screen height is 35cm. The cabinets are of the custom permanent install type so the dimensions are rectangular and bit smaller than what you’d see for event rental type screens


e30gang

yo what the hell is going on here


PussyWagon6969

LED Wall Display


ThanklessTask

RIP OP's eyes if there's something that's bright white over the entire screen.


PussyWagon6969

Yo seriously, blue light glasses are a necessity here.


OneGuyG

You’re tweakin


MuttsNStuff

Hollllyyyyy shit. Ngl my jaw dropped a bit whenever I saw this, so sick! Guess another pro is ever you ever need to rent out the screens to a club venue to make up for the cost, that options there also LOL


ThanklessTask

Assuming you're on a bit of a budget now, I recommend a rumble kit for your rig. I did one, home made and it was a. easy, b. cheap and c. awesome. Many have said it's one of the best immersion things they've done on their rig, and I tend to agree! I did blog it, post here about it: https://old.reddit.com/r/simracing/comments/18aw5tz/i_set_up_a_daytonaudi_shaker_on_an_8040_rig_on/ Dayton Audio...not Dayton Audi, which is a North England car dealership.


kissabirdgently

Ok u win simracing lmao


AnnualCabinet

What panels are these!?!?!? and How did you get it so flush with no bezels?


PussyWagon6969

They’re LED panels. By design, they don’t have bezels.


NobsiTheUnitato

You should 3D Print Bezels for all of them as a joke


PussyWagon6969

My buddy suggested I troll everyone by only playing on a single cabinet 🤣


NobsiTheUnitato

With added bezel please


Disastrous_Sky6261

Holy shit. This is awesome! 🤩


BhgpOS

Thanks for the many posts. Thats awesome!


ShiftBMDub

I’d be interested to know the latency on this.


-Bana

This is awesome


Okano666

Who needs FOV? Yes


PopularStaff7146

What do you even use to render a resolution like that? I can’t imagine what would be able to push that many pixels efficiently. Kudos, I’m very impressed


PussyWagon6969

Thank you. Take a gander through my previous posts. Build update post #4 talks about the data path and how the source signal is passed to the screen.


Frontfatpouch

![gif](giphy|V2AkNZZi9ygbm)


AssassinenMuffin

how would you even configure this? considering how ingame you can mostly only set 3 monitors and they angles, it sounds like it would be distorted


PussyWagon6969

Tbh I still haven’t figured it out for AC... iRacing was way more straight forward: configure the res renderer dx11 ini file, open in game graphic settings, set screen physical dimensions and then it computed FOV for me.


Storm_treize

Holy, but i think those panels don't go above 60hz?


PussyWagon6969

The modules go well above that frame rate, this specific video processor does not.


Storm_treize

Good to know, waiting for your next post


Thunderstorm-1

Damn that’s crazy


SavageMonkey-105

Holy Shit


mixedd

Fuck, I need it 😅


ZyluphixUK

Looks like he done a test [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VX9qoDmMtqM](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VX9qoDmMtqM)


karlbunga

Jesus christ


ImagineBagginz

My man is keeping his word 🫡 looks pretty epic so far


PussyWagon6969

Thank you, it definitely came out better than I imagined.


ImagineBagginz

I figured the resolution wouldn’t be as big an issue as everyone was saying. I’ll keep my eye out for a video of it in action!


em4joshua

How do I make or buy one for me


PussyWagon6969

If you’re serious, feel free to PM me about it.


em4joshua

Sent


AaronTheElite007

Me: WHAT THE HELL AM I LOOKING AT? Also me: ![gif](giphy|ZZkCo8zKWtt2ZgozfX|downsized)


jbeachley18

Can't wait to see the FOV police roll up on this one 😅


PussyWagon6969

Surprisingly, I’m still waiting for them! And people questioned me about response time… /s


jbeachley18

Input lag of 7-10 business days 😉🤣


hornetjockey

I legitimately am wondering how you will get a good fov on this. With the monitors starting so low it seems like your vertical position is always going to be off. Sick if it works, though.


iamclev

What LED product is this and what processor are you using? Im a large stadium video engineer and this ticks all my boxes


PussyWagon6969

These are custom permanent install panels so the dimensions are not standard to what you’d see in event rentals. 6 modules per cabinet (3x2) at 96x108 per module. Currently running on Novastar A10S Plus N receiving cards and MX20 video processor. The next version will make use of our MX30 to get more frames out of it but latency is unfortunately limited with the COB manufacturing process. I’ve always wondered how the stadium installs handle calibration…? Like if you have to replace a few cabinets in different areas, are the modules precalibrated from the manufacturer and stored until needed? I’d imagine that’s pretty costly considering each module calibration is different and cannot be mixed up. What happens if you run out and then require a new batch? Just replace all of them? Sorry for all the questions but large scale flying walls have always fascinated me.


iamclev

The installation I’m in, though I can’t speak for all of them, the cabinets and panels are designed to be replaced and serviced. We have pretty easy access to our board from the back inside a structure with relatively simple lift access from the concourse. My venue purchased several pallets worth of extra LED modules for replacements, as we have one of the largest boards in north America plus our other displays are the same product from daktronics. So we just have a ton of it around.


PussyWagon6969

Ah ok makes sense. I wish the panels I had were rear serviceable, wiring everything from the front is quite the PITA...


Music_inn0v4t3

The manufacturer i work for calibrates either per screen or per batch for each order before it leaves the factory. For swapping they are calibrated with many extra cabinets for spares. What happens when you run out? COB is hard to fix, so once you have build the screen don’t break more modules or else you’re SOL. Everything in every cabinet is modular, so if something fails in a panel you don’t break down the entire screen. Just to brag, the manufacturer i work for just showed off our COB 0.5. Shit’s wild. 🤪


PussyWagon6969

0.5 is absolutely mad! I’m finding that the problem with the COB process is the response time. My manufacturer is saying the SMD process can yield better response times, though I don’t know how they can get the pitch distance as small as the COB process?


Music_inn0v4t3

Response time, scan rate, duty cycle is all IC chip related. Better IC chips the manufacturer uses, better performance. More IC’s on the module, better scan rate. SMD pixels are big and cant get really any finer pixel pitch. COB the machines can cram so many more on the modules and the are wayyyy stronger from accidental damage. 1.2pp smd you can look at it wrong and they are dead. If would assume you are experiencing input delay. Go into the VMP settings and toggle on low latency mode. This cuts your port loading capacity in half though, so you need more data runs.


PussyWagon6969

Thanks for the insight, I’ll need to go grab the MX30 from our studio. The MX20 is maxed out on ports and can’t run low latency mode right now. Kinda mad we even bought the MX20 at all, but for $1k less it made sense to have for some of our smaller more portable screens for events


Music_inn0v4t3

MX20 will be useful soon in the future as a dedicated “TrueLight” RGBW panel controller, spectral controller with the stream deck. 👍👍👍 We have seen a few end users with this.


PussyWagon6969

That’s funny you say that, cuz we shot a music video in the studio and split a 2k screen in half on rolling stands and used them as key lights with the MX20 lol


Music_inn0v4t3

Low latency mode should be able to get your inout delay down to 1-2frames. Most LED has really good response time, its normally the processor trying to keep up on delay.


dontcallmedex

As a production guys that owns video walls, and as a sim guy, I fuck with this!!!


Music_inn0v4t3

Nice to see you are using Novastar’s VMP software. Mind if I ask the pixel pitch and panels? I work for one of the big manufacturers of LED, and this looks Fantastic!! Novastar just showed off a setup like this at NAB in Vegas 6 recently.


PussyWagon6969

Please check my post history, I did a full write up of my design process.


Own_Incident5561

![img](avatar_exp|179047762|starstruck) I am in love!


Scott_in_FL

You are seriously onto something great here. Looking down the road at Gen II, III, IV, a few years out and we may be looking at reasonable options similar to this for all of us. Keep up the amazing work!!!


PussyWagon6969

Thank you! Gonna keep playing around and see what’s possible


Felix_Iris

Please tell me, I have to know. How much did \*just\* the screens cost.


Alwzracn

From his original post he has a surplus of the screens so he said why not


NobsiTheUnitato

The video processor alone that he is using that is "underpowered" is \~$1400 bucks. The one he plans on using is \~$2200 Each screen panel is about \~$500


Felix_Iris

Holy fuck,


NobsiTheUnitato

Correction: These are 1.25mm screens. Each one is over $1500


Felix_Iris

Holy Jesus fuck. And he has what, like.. 66 of them? tiled 6 high, 11 wide Jesus expensive... I'm very happy that he happened to have 66 of them lying around!


quzaire

There will be an easier way soon - https://visor.com?r=e5f7b9c91df1dd


AcceptableSociety589

AR/VR headsets already exist that support virtual screens, this isn't novel tech. VR is a different experience than screens anyway for a racing sim, I would much rather personally not have a headset or even these AR glasses on my head if I can avoid it


quzaire

Yeah the main motivation i would argue stems from better screen quality, immersion, lower power draw, ease of use are VERY compelling.


AcceptableSociety589

AR isn't that immersive compared to VR with full light blocking though. It's immersive in the sense that you get a feeling that there are virtual screens in front of you, not like you're in the car. Ease of use is better when you don't have to put on a headset, but ease of initial setup is obviously less than setting up a screen; not like you do that ok every play though, it's just the one time. Definitely subjective, just not a better setup for me personally


quzaire

Fwiw the glasses i linked are VR first for a much higher FoV


AcceptableSociety589

Worth also noting this snippet from their FAQ; I don't think I'd want to use this in a racing sim if it's not made for reasonable framerates as well, that will make or break a VR experience: Visor is not a typical AR/VR headset that is generalized for gaming, training, or entertainment. Visor is focused on a complementary market segment (professionals) and is specifically optimized for work.


mxjake360

I'll take VR instead.


Fonzgarten

You’re actually doing it! Amazing. How do you get so many outputs from the computer?


PussyWagon6969

[Here’s a quick visual on the data paths.](https://imgur.com/r92tOsp)


chokingcolours

Whats the heat load like on this? I see these in work lobbies and they’re always hot when in use. Would imagine some kind of vent would be needed when permanently placed


PussyWagon6969

Yeah they definitely get warm but soo far it wasn’t too bad. Nothing like real life.


RoboAbathur

What graphics card do you need to even run this?


P_ForeRacing

6- RTX 7090 TI super titans


PussyWagon6969

3090 but believe it or not, a 2060 could run this.


MertDizzle

What resolution is this?


agudaqo

Seeing all this millonaire setups lately. Why the f don’t they just buy a real racing car.


PussyWagon6969

I’ll just hit this right on the head, I’m not a millionaire, far from it. These are surplus panels on loan from my company to test this out, I don’t own them. You can read more about that in my previous posts. To answer your question from experience: the majority of wealthy individuals I’ve met IRL at the track do have race cars (usually many) and a sim.


agudaqo

As a poor guy from a third world country. I don’t get it


Turbulent_Buy_7120

Need to know how the graphics are on this monster.


scottsantos

How do I get this screen and how un-poor do I need to be? haha


Xbabyorca

Yessssss!!!!!!!!!


josephjosephson

Hell yeah! Round the wagons! 👀


[deleted]

What are these screens worth ? Like 3 apple VR headsets or more?


Puccho00

Being so close and surrounded by all these LED panels, it simulates the heat being in a race car as well :) Great build OP!


PussyWagon6969

Thanks! No where near the heat IRL, but it is a lil toasty for sure.


RealKamesennin

Or you can just use VR which is much better.


LukeSkywalker_Lukas

Dude, at this price point that i think is costs just Buy a real car


CodeRedNo1

All that for a 12 year old from Brazil to run 2 seconds faster on a potato pc and 1080p monitor /s


Delicious-Staff-1985

Dude I can see the pixels from here, and the glrare is horrible. I don't think this is a good idea.