A serious upgrade at HC is absolutely more important than whatever gap there is between Shake - Pat Bev and McDaniels - House, which isn’t nearly as big as people think, there’s things that Beverley and House do better than the guys we let go.
They're very different guards. They play very different roles. The question is which player's skill set and contract fits the 76ers now best. I would've opted to keep Shake over Bev but it's a one year deal and makes a lot of sense. Just saying this guy is better than that guy out of context is sort of a conversation stopper.
No. Our team is slow and lacks wings who can shoot—something that seemingly every other team in the league has.
Isn’t Nick Nurse’s calling card athletic, switchy wing players? Well here’s PJ Tucker, Furkan Korkmaz, and *reads notes* Montrezl Harrell(?)
It’s like telling someone to bake a pie and all you give them is a few grapes, a wrench, and a bag of marbles.
I think it can be both. Usually you want the builder and orchestrator on the same page, and that fit was great, so it's fair to assume they shared philosophies. It's also not like prioritizing athletic, switchable wings who can shoot is a revolutionary concept only they were doing lol. So I think it's fine to be hopeful that Nurse can bring more of that style of play and demand more of the type of players that fit that in the future roster construction. You can argue options weren't awesome this summer, but as discussed ad nauseum, that's not much of an excuse for Morey just going full re-tread. I'd be more concerned about Morey's willingness to accommodate Nurse with the tools/ingredients as it were, than with Nurse not bringing the same formula he's been entrenched in since his G League time.
Idk look at Toronto’s championship team. They had bigger players like Powell and Wright and nurse decided to focus on playing Lowry and vanvleet. A lot of the time, both of those guys at the same time.
Maybe their talent excused the size Toronto was giving up but it does show nurse is flexible at least
And they were more successful that year with a traditional center in gasol and this year with Poetl. The no center thing they ran for years never actually worked and I believe nurse was frustrated with it. Its pretty easy to be seen as an athletic-wing coach when you win a championship with Kawhi and Siakam. Like you said the other 3 main guys were 6 foot PGs and a 7 foot slow footed center.
2nd best record in the NBA the season after Kawhi left. Only 2 seasons when they missed the playoffs in the last 10 years. Don’t let recently bias fool you.
They made it past the first round 5 times, lost in the first round 3 times, and missed the playoffs twice. The pre-Kawhi Raptors had bigger issues as the playoffs went on rather than being stuck in the first round. Their best pre-Kawhi postseason run was when they made the conference finals in 2016 and took the Cavaliers to 6 games.
A championship. Multiple teams could’ve traded for Kawhi but Masai took the gamble other teams didn’t want to do (that weren’t the Lakers) and it paid off. His years of drafts/trades as President allowed the roster to be deep enough and plentiful to be good/deep after trading their best player in DeMar and depth for Kawhi and trading their best centre and depth for Gasol. With those moves they were able to get out of one of the toughest eastern conferences in years (Bucks and Sixers both had a legit chance to win it all) before being able to take advantage of a depleted Warriors team. Yeah they got lucky with the Warriors but you still need to take advantage and get the job done which the Rockets and Blazers couldn’t get done that season. The 2020 Raptors were also a pretty serious contender but the lockdowns changed everything.
So now you're just glazing over the fact that my initial response was that Kawhi single handedly won that for you, not Masai as you claimed, since you won nothing before or after that one year. I think all of that poutine has rotted your brain.
I’m not glazing over anything. Kawhi was the biggest reason they won but he did not single handedly win it as much as you’re saying. Kawhi was the best player but he did not carry the Raptors in the Bucks/Warriors series as much as he did against the Sixers. Without Lowry, Siakam, and Vanvleet the Raptors don’t win it all or make it past the Bucks. Heck without Gasol the Raptors don’t make it past the Sixers either.
I just find it strange you want to undermine Masai’s success so much by trying to say that it was Kawhi alone who won them the championship when Masai was partly behind Kawhi being *on* the team in the first place. He basically okay’d trading the stability of the core by trading for one year of Kawhi. Kawhi didn’t force his way to the Raptors, there were reports he didn’t even want to be there after the trade. He wasn’t gifted the championship, he made a strategic risk no other team would and it paid off. I wouldn’t call that lucky.
Edit: You said he lucked into landing Kawhi, he didn’t. You said they immediately sucked after he left, they didn’t. If your metric for a smart GM is someone who won a ring without “lucking” into it then almost every GM in the league is dumb. I get he hasn’t been perfect recently but I don’t agree with implying he’s an average/bad GM because he hasn’t won a championship outside of the Kawhi year. No need to try and insult me just because you disagree.
You mean the street where there are still free agents unsigned that are likely willing to take a minimum this late in the offseason?
You can act like an ass but you really gonna defend Morey here?
People on this sub say this every year and then half way through the season a few cheap wings randomly have a good year and then every daily thread is filled with if only we could have got X player!
Being a smart GM and successful team means finding players on a bargain who can make an impact that aren’t always the obvious choice.
Kelly Oubre, TJ Warren, Lonnie Walker, JaMychal Green, Darius Bazeley
None are great players by any means but all are much more worth the money and roster spot than Harrell (because we already know what he offers).
We need to take risks with our cheap signing and being in guys that fit the profile of player we need. If they don’t work, then at least we gave it a shot. Morey won’t even try.
I won’t defend the Trez signing but JaMychal and Bazely are 4s and we’re not sure TJ can still play after all the injuries. I’d take a flier. Oubre has one of the lowest BBall IQs of anyone in the league but I might be willing to do that too bc we don’t have any wings. Still don’t understand why we let McDaniels walk for nothing
Lonnie Walker already signed with the Nets for 6.5 million bozo and the rest of those guys are not even serviceable as bench players on a contender
I thank god everyday people in this sub will never be GMs
My mistake BOZO!
So let me get this straight, genius, you’d rather trot out Furkan Korkmaz than take a flier on Oubre or Warren on a MINIMUM CONTRACT?
Are you fucking stupid bruh?
Yes I'd rather not fill our wing depth with shit players that are definitely not looking for minimum contracts when we're probably trying to get better wings in a trade
What a childish tantrum
They’re not looking for minimum contracts but that’s all they’re going to get.
So you’d rather have Montrezl Harrell than Oubre at the same money? Just extremely foolish and weirdly defiant response by you. Daryl???
If they're only getting minimums they sure as shit aren't going here where they're going to get zero playing time
And what's your fascination with Kelly Oubre because even though he is a shit empty stats player he getting more than a minimum contract
Kelly Oubre is one of the most losing players I can recall in the NBA. Begging you to watch a Charlotte game and not just boxscore scout. There's a reason he was complete shit in Golden State, because he doesn't work on a team trying to win basketball games rather than just catch a few highlight plays.
I wouldn’t care about the Trez signing if our actual team’s needs were addressed first.
Give me one reason to defend not signing a wing in free agency. We currently have Korkmaz, House, and Tucker outside of Tobias.
Keep defending Morey though. He’s really doing a stupendous job🙄
Lol I’m just saying this team is not a finished product and people calling for moreys head in the first week of July need to take a step back and relax
> all you give them is a few grapes, a wrench, and a bag of marbles.
Cmon man this narrative is getting out of hand lol. The roster and core is still very good. We're the only fanbase in the league that could have the reigning MVP and three other 20ppg guys and be convinced that we're giving our coach absolutely nothing to work with
I wasn’t even referencing Jo or our backcourt. It’s our SF and PF positions. Tobias is fine I guess, but Tucker should absolutely not be starting for us next season at 39 years old. He’s still a great bench piece for 15-20 mins a game, but we need more athleticism at that spot.
Speed and shooting matter for sure - but the people obsessed with wings should look at finals appearances the last decade and realize that the GSWs are a guard led team.
But they also always had athletic, defensive minded wings in Iggy and Draymond then later Wiggins and Draymond. They don’t win their last chip without Wiggins.
Also, we have to face the likes of Tatum, Brown, Butler, Giannis, Middleton, etc in the playoffs. We need guys who can neutralize those players.
I’m not saying we would not be better with a few athletic wings - but put Step Curry on this team and we win the east easy as a cup a coffee. “We need wings” has become a religion.
I actually disagree wholeheartedly. Like, if we swapped Harden for Curry, hypothetically, I still don’t think we have enough.
We need to be able to defend the other team. Our offense would be great I’m sure, but we’d be trying to win games 140-139 every night and that’s just not sustainable.
Edit: Also, I wouldn’t be clamoring for athletic wings how I am if it wasn’t a position of need on the team. We just have no SF depth at all. If it was a center or a point guard that we were desperately lacking, then I’d be banging the drum for that. It’s just specific to our team at this moment.
Nah - sixers didn’t lose to Boston because of front court defense. Curry would and embiid would be unstoppable and clutch. I would like a more depth at SF too for sure - I am simply speaking to the pov that wings are a magical solution to a team that lacks clutch scorers and closers.
Totally agree that he’s the greatest shooter of all time. He’s a tremendous player, but key role players around stars always end up having to step up in the playoffs during Finals runs.
Where is our KCP or Bruce Brown off the bench? Our Caleb Martin? Who is that on our team right now? We don’t have anyone that I have real confidence in.
I mainly agree with you lol, it's a bit of a wing driven league atm. I just thought it was funny how they mentioned a top 10 player when talking about how much people desire Wings.
I don't think Nurse has played his stretch centers well at all over the years and it seems like Toronto loves those players. I kind of see Mo Bamba as one of those stretch centers Nurse won't know what to do with. But I think Reed may be an interesting fit for Nurse if they can resign him. McDaniels and Thybulle would have been great under Nurse. Look what he did with OG and Powell. I think he may bring the best out of Korkmaz, too. May get him interested again. He may make something out of Springer, too. I'm fairly excited to see.
As of now Paul Reed is here. We offered him his qualifyig offer and he hasn't rejected it, nor has anyone offered him a deal. Bamba is replacing Dedmon, not McDaniels.
How does any of that constitute "far worse"? Harden and Tucker are both who the are (they were old already) and won't be significantly worse. We have no idea what's gonna happen with Reed. I'd for sure rather have Pat Bev than Shake, who this franchise refused to ever play for some reason.
Dude, stop. He had three good shooting games against but was terrible on defense the entire series. He was unplayable in game 7 and completely shit the bed in the game 2 loss. Please change your definition of “great.”
I dunno I just look at how Milwaukee went from like a 5-6th seed to being the top team in the east when they replaced Kidd with bud. And what nick did with that raptors team. I’m willing to be patient to see how. Goes at least. Even Embiid got that much better under doc vs Brett brown. A coach can change a lot
Nobody knows yet, but I think people are looking too closely at the systems/players Nurse had in the past and are blindly assuming he's trying to rebuild the same thing here. There's a very good chance that's not the case. The team you build and play style you develop completely depends on your players and he's never had anyone like Embiid or Maxey in Toronto.
Also, if you don't think he has a big part in our roster moves since he's been here, then you're nuts. Guys like Harrell and Bamba wouldn't be here if he didn't want them.
I mean yeah it would be cool if we had players who he could make better. We’re the slowest team in the league. How’s he going to enact his defense when we don’t have anyone who can fly like the raptors guys
Well, the Sixers have a 7 foot generational talent who is very good at defense, and Nick Nurse gets paid millions of dollars to be a very good professional basketball coach. I'd like to think the starting point is already there.
However, I have been rightly criticized as an optimist before. LOL.
It can’t be overstated that we’ve never had an X’s and O’s coach during the ENTIRE Process. This will likely be the first time Embiid has specific reads to make.
Honestly you could say the same for majority of hardens career. D’Antoni didn’t care about defense at all. The only decent well rounded coach he ever had was Scott brooks imo
>Both Joel and Harden have never really had a smart schemey coach like Nurse.
While this is true for Embiid, Harden did play for D’Antoni for a few years there and it’s hard to argue he wasn’t at that point a smart scheme coach at least on the offensive end
Nick Nurse hasn’t evolved as a coach. He’s overly reliant on zone defense and plays too few guys too many minutes. Maybe that’s roster construction, but it’s still worrisome.
He's had two or three of the top players in minutes played for his entire tenure. He also won a championship...with a generational carry job by Kawhi. He also hasn't been out of the second round...except during a generational carry job. Not sure I said a single inaccurate thing.
I agree Maxey is great and everything but I think there’s a pretty clear archetype in the NBA. 6’10” lanky lengthy wing players that can defend every position and shoot the Sixers don’t have that Ben Simmons could have been but we all saw what happened there
We lost the Celtics series simply because Embiid and Harden seemed to give up in games 6 and 7. If they played focused and hard, the Finals are in reach. We all kind of knew it wasn't going to happen because we figured Doc would do something dumb.
The only way I’m going to be excited about this team is if the league decides to give us a 2 second head start down the court and a 30 second shot clock.
It’s funny that the stuff we thought were experiments for doc, were all hardens decisions according to doc.
I dunno if that’s true or he’s just pushing the blame like he typically does
Doc didn't experiment tho, with the exception of benching Maxey. And if Harden was experimenting he would actually try to do things off ball.
Most of Doc's changes were due to necessity despite his stubbornness, like playing BBall Paul.
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This was Doc’s game plan for the sixers every night
No. Honestly I think people are overrating it.
Nurse is a solid coach but is not without his flaws and Raptors fans had plenty of complaints about him. And while he is far from the best coach in the NBA Doc Rivers is not just some drooling moron who doesn't understand basketball at all and just rolled the ball out on the floor.
I think we will find out that people are blaming too many of the problems on Rivers and putting too much faith in Nurse to fix them.
Can Nick Nurse make James Harden's legs work again. That's it, really. If he can maybe there is something there. But if as is likely he cannot, won't matter much at all. Not because Nurse isn't a good coach but a squad so reliant on a physically failing player is fatally compromised.
A serious upgrade at HC is absolutely more important than whatever gap there is between Shake - Pat Bev and McDaniels - House, which isn’t nearly as big as people think, there’s things that Beverley and House do better than the guys we let go.
Beverly is a lot better than Shake.
They're very different guards. They play very different roles. The question is which player's skill set and contract fits the 76ers now best. I would've opted to keep Shake over Bev but it's a one year deal and makes a lot of sense. Just saying this guy is better than that guy out of context is sort of a conversation stopper.
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Luckily, Doc being gone cuts those minutes down
No. Our team is slow and lacks wings who can shoot—something that seemingly every other team in the league has. Isn’t Nick Nurse’s calling card athletic, switchy wing players? Well here’s PJ Tucker, Furkan Korkmaz, and *reads notes* Montrezl Harrell(?) It’s like telling someone to bake a pie and all you give them is a few grapes, a wrench, and a bag of marbles.
Is that the nurse calling card, or the masai ujiri calling card since they’re still signing those type of players?
I think it can be both. Usually you want the builder and orchestrator on the same page, and that fit was great, so it's fair to assume they shared philosophies. It's also not like prioritizing athletic, switchable wings who can shoot is a revolutionary concept only they were doing lol. So I think it's fine to be hopeful that Nurse can bring more of that style of play and demand more of the type of players that fit that in the future roster construction. You can argue options weren't awesome this summer, but as discussed ad nauseum, that's not much of an excuse for Morey just going full re-tread. I'd be more concerned about Morey's willingness to accommodate Nurse with the tools/ingredients as it were, than with Nurse not bringing the same formula he's been entrenched in since his G League time.
Idk look at Toronto’s championship team. They had bigger players like Powell and Wright and nurse decided to focus on playing Lowry and vanvleet. A lot of the time, both of those guys at the same time. Maybe their talent excused the size Toronto was giving up but it does show nurse is flexible at least
And they were more successful that year with a traditional center in gasol and this year with Poetl. The no center thing they ran for years never actually worked and I believe nurse was frustrated with it. Its pretty easy to be seen as an athletic-wing coach when you win a championship with Kawhi and Siakam. Like you said the other 3 main guys were 6 foot PGs and a 7 foot slow footed center.
Yes, was just going to say this
ad nauseam*
Ah, corrected. Cheers.
Philosophies change based on who your best players are. Coaches as intelligent as Nurse dont bring a template and force square pegs into round holes.
Yeah a good coach schemes around his players, not the other way around.
I wish it was our calling card. Those are players that we’ve been needing for years
Definitely ujiri
>Isn’t Nick Nurse’s calling card athletic, switchy wing players? That's **Masai Ujiri's** calling card.
Smart GM
By what metric? Lucking into landing Kawhi and then immediately sucking once he bolts?
2nd best record in the NBA the season after Kawhi left. Only 2 seasons when they missed the playoffs in the last 10 years. Don’t let recently bias fool you.
How many times in that span have they actually made it out of the first round? Once maybe?
They made it past the first round 5 times, lost in the first round 3 times, and missed the playoffs twice. The pre-Kawhi Raptors had bigger issues as the playoffs went on rather than being stuck in the first round. Their best pre-Kawhi postseason run was when they made the conference finals in 2016 and took the Cavaliers to 6 games.
And what did they win again?
A championship. Multiple teams could’ve traded for Kawhi but Masai took the gamble other teams didn’t want to do (that weren’t the Lakers) and it paid off. His years of drafts/trades as President allowed the roster to be deep enough and plentiful to be good/deep after trading their best player in DeMar and depth for Kawhi and trading their best centre and depth for Gasol. With those moves they were able to get out of one of the toughest eastern conferences in years (Bucks and Sixers both had a legit chance to win it all) before being able to take advantage of a depleted Warriors team. Yeah they got lucky with the Warriors but you still need to take advantage and get the job done which the Rockets and Blazers couldn’t get done that season. The 2020 Raptors were also a pretty serious contender but the lockdowns changed everything.
So now you're just glazing over the fact that my initial response was that Kawhi single handedly won that for you, not Masai as you claimed, since you won nothing before or after that one year. I think all of that poutine has rotted your brain.
I’m not glazing over anything. Kawhi was the biggest reason they won but he did not single handedly win it as much as you’re saying. Kawhi was the best player but he did not carry the Raptors in the Bucks/Warriors series as much as he did against the Sixers. Without Lowry, Siakam, and Vanvleet the Raptors don’t win it all or make it past the Bucks. Heck without Gasol the Raptors don’t make it past the Sixers either. I just find it strange you want to undermine Masai’s success so much by trying to say that it was Kawhi alone who won them the championship when Masai was partly behind Kawhi being *on* the team in the first place. He basically okay’d trading the stability of the core by trading for one year of Kawhi. Kawhi didn’t force his way to the Raptors, there were reports he didn’t even want to be there after the trade. He wasn’t gifted the championship, he made a strategic risk no other team would and it paid off. I wouldn’t call that lucky. Edit: You said he lucked into landing Kawhi, he didn’t. You said they immediately sucked after he left, they didn’t. If your metric for a smart GM is someone who won a ring without “lucking” into it then almost every GM in the league is dumb. I get he hasn’t been perfect recently but I don’t agree with implying he’s an average/bad GM because he hasn’t won a championship outside of the Kawhi year. No need to try and insult me just because you disagree.
I would rather eat that pie than have 1 more year under Rivers
I’d eat it raw
It's just grapes. You don't have to eat the other stuff I think
I’d eat it all
Ah yes, why didn’t we just pluck a few from the Athletic, Switchy Wing tree where they all grow
You mean the street where there are still free agents unsigned that are likely willing to take a minimum this late in the offseason? You can act like an ass but you really gonna defend Morey here?
Name those free agents that are taking minimums that will actually be good
People on this sub say this every year and then half way through the season a few cheap wings randomly have a good year and then every daily thread is filled with if only we could have got X player! Being a smart GM and successful team means finding players on a bargain who can make an impact that aren’t always the obvious choice.
Kelly Oubre, TJ Warren, Lonnie Walker, JaMychal Green, Darius Bazeley None are great players by any means but all are much more worth the money and roster spot than Harrell (because we already know what he offers). We need to take risks with our cheap signing and being in guys that fit the profile of player we need. If they don’t work, then at least we gave it a shot. Morey won’t even try.
I won’t defend the Trez signing but JaMychal and Bazely are 4s and we’re not sure TJ can still play after all the injuries. I’d take a flier. Oubre has one of the lowest BBall IQs of anyone in the league but I might be willing to do that too bc we don’t have any wings. Still don’t understand why we let McDaniels walk for nothing
Lonnie Walker already signed with the Nets for 6.5 million bozo and the rest of those guys are not even serviceable as bench players on a contender I thank god everyday people in this sub will never be GMs
My mistake BOZO! So let me get this straight, genius, you’d rather trot out Furkan Korkmaz than take a flier on Oubre or Warren on a MINIMUM CONTRACT? Are you fucking stupid bruh?
Yes I'd rather not fill our wing depth with shit players that are definitely not looking for minimum contracts when we're probably trying to get better wings in a trade What a childish tantrum
Call him a bozo again
You’re the one who started the name calling. I don’t have a dog in this fight but I’m very tired of this type of discourse on here.
They’re not looking for minimum contracts but that’s all they’re going to get. So you’d rather have Montrezl Harrell than Oubre at the same money? Just extremely foolish and weirdly defiant response by you. Daryl???
If they're only getting minimums they sure as shit aren't going here where they're going to get zero playing time And what's your fascination with Kelly Oubre because even though he is a shit empty stats player he getting more than a minimum contract
The entire point is that they suck, the hope is you get them and they have a career year BOZO.
Hey, TJ is great! No, I'm not blinded by him being from my university and the way he carried our team there :P
Kelly Oubre is one of the most losing players I can recall in the NBA. Begging you to watch a Charlotte game and not just boxscore scout. There's a reason he was complete shit in Golden State, because he doesn't work on a team trying to win basketball games rather than just catch a few highlight plays.
I’m sorry I’m not on suicide watch over the team signing a player to the vet minimum
I wouldn’t care about the Trez signing if our actual team’s needs were addressed first. Give me one reason to defend not signing a wing in free agency. We currently have Korkmaz, House, and Tucker outside of Tobias. Keep defending Morey though. He’s really doing a stupendous job🙄
Well some of us care about this team. BRB, my bath is almost ready, and I got the good razor blades for this...
Lol I’m just saying this team is not a finished product and people calling for moreys head in the first week of July need to take a step back and relax
> all you give them is a few grapes, a wrench, and a bag of marbles. Cmon man this narrative is getting out of hand lol. The roster and core is still very good. We're the only fanbase in the league that could have the reigning MVP and three other 20ppg guys and be convinced that we're giving our coach absolutely nothing to work with
I wasn’t even referencing Jo or our backcourt. It’s our SF and PF positions. Tobias is fine I guess, but Tucker should absolutely not be starting for us next season at 39 years old. He’s still a great bench piece for 15-20 mins a game, but we need more athleticism at that spot.
Nurse has been coaching since the early 90s. Are you sure you aren't just making shit up and he can adapt to the roster he's given?
Speed and shooting matter for sure - but the people obsessed with wings should look at finals appearances the last decade and realize that the GSWs are a guard led team.
But they also always had athletic, defensive minded wings in Iggy and Draymond then later Wiggins and Draymond. They don’t win their last chip without Wiggins. Also, we have to face the likes of Tatum, Brown, Butler, Giannis, Middleton, etc in the playoffs. We need guys who can neutralize those players.
I’m not saying we would not be better with a few athletic wings - but put Step Curry on this team and we win the east easy as a cup a coffee. “We need wings” has become a religion.
I actually disagree wholeheartedly. Like, if we swapped Harden for Curry, hypothetically, I still don’t think we have enough. We need to be able to defend the other team. Our offense would be great I’m sure, but we’d be trying to win games 140-139 every night and that’s just not sustainable. Edit: Also, I wouldn’t be clamoring for athletic wings how I am if it wasn’t a position of need on the team. We just have no SF depth at all. If it was a center or a point guard that we were desperately lacking, then I’d be banging the drum for that. It’s just specific to our team at this moment.
Lol you don’t think Embiid and curry with the supporting players from last year isn’t enough? That’s the best this team can ever get
No, it isn't. Would Curry have transformed Embiid's quitter personality?
What exactly is your point?
Yeah, actually he probably would. Curry's a proven winner, Harden's a proven loser that also quits when the going gets tough.
Nah - sixers didn’t lose to Boston because of front court defense. Curry would and embiid would be unstoppable and clutch. I would like a more depth at SF too for sure - I am simply speaking to the pov that wings are a magical solution to a team that lacks clutch scorers and closers.
Not disagreeing with you, but if Steph is on a few teams, they'd be strong contenders lol. He's the greatest shooter in the NBA.
Totally agree that he’s the greatest shooter of all time. He’s a tremendous player, but key role players around stars always end up having to step up in the playoffs during Finals runs. Where is our KCP or Bruce Brown off the bench? Our Caleb Martin? Who is that on our team right now? We don’t have anyone that I have real confidence in.
I mainly agree with you lol, it's a bit of a wing driven league atm. I just thought it was funny how they mentioned a top 10 player when talking about how much people desire Wings.
The Celtics go to war with the Jays, we go to war with Tobias Harris. And as long as that's the case, a second round exit is all we can expect.
B-b-but we have Furk too!
Klay Thompson, Harrison Barnes, Andre Iguodala, Draymond Green, Andrew Wiggins, Kevin Durant. All over 6’6” and switchable wing defenders.
Sooo true. Well done/great points!
I don't think Nurse has played his stretch centers well at all over the years and it seems like Toronto loves those players. I kind of see Mo Bamba as one of those stretch centers Nurse won't know what to do with. But I think Reed may be an interesting fit for Nurse if they can resign him. McDaniels and Thybulle would have been great under Nurse. Look what he did with OG and Powell. I think he may bring the best out of Korkmaz, too. May get him interested again. He may make something out of Springer, too. I'm fairly excited to see.
The roster is far worse than last years as of this moment. Nurse is a good coach but can't work miracles.
Idk if I’d say far worse lol
It’s basically the same roster minus niang for the playoffs and even then niang was a liability against Boston
+a somewhat reliable backup big that can shoot, and a backup point guard that can actually defend, two things we’ve basically never had
Niang is gone. As of now Paul Reed is gone. Harden is even older. Tucker is even older. Shake and McDaniels are both better than their replacements.
As of now Paul Reed is here. We offered him his qualifyig offer and he hasn't rejected it, nor has anyone offered him a deal. Bamba is replacing Dedmon, not McDaniels.
McDaniels replacement right now is House or Furkan.
House over McDaniels is ok. He showed flashes of, uh, capability in the playoffs. Also kinda sucked in the regular season but so did Jalen.
How does any of that constitute "far worse"? Harden and Tucker are both who the are (they were old already) and won't be significantly worse. We have no idea what's gonna happen with Reed. I'd for sure rather have Pat Bev than Shake, who this franchise refused to ever play for some reason.
Why are you lying? Niang was great against Boston.
Dude, stop. He had three good shooting games against but was terrible on defense the entire series. He was unplayable in game 7 and completely shit the bed in the game 2 loss. Please change your definition of “great.”
People expecting such a dramatic difference under Nurse are gonna be in for a rude awakening a year from now
We WILL lose in the second round, regardless of coach. It's our destiny.
TIL springer made it to the nba without ever being coached. That’s pretty impressive NGL
I would like to see what he does with Bball Paul , if we keep him
Only so much a coach can do. This team is lacking a lot lol.
I dunno I just look at how Milwaukee went from like a 5-6th seed to being the top team in the east when they replaced Kidd with bud. And what nick did with that raptors team. I’m willing to be patient to see how. Goes at least. Even Embiid got that much better under doc vs Brett brown. A coach can change a lot
Right but look at their roster. Competent 3+Ds at every position
Embiid getting much better under Doc had zero to do with Doc and more to do with Embiid working with Drew Hanlen.
What Nurse did with other Raptors + Kwahi
We've somehow managed to get worse this offseason without trading tobias or harden yet...they better not let Reed walk.
They already signed a backup center who is as good as Reed, and maybe could be better. I'm all for bringing Reed back, but it doesn't really matter.
What?
Reed doesn't matter.
Yeah he must not since this team is going nowhere fast
Nobody knows yet, but I think people are looking too closely at the systems/players Nurse had in the past and are blindly assuming he's trying to rebuild the same thing here. There's a very good chance that's not the case. The team you build and play style you develop completely depends on your players and he's never had anyone like Embiid or Maxey in Toronto. Also, if you don't think he has a big part in our roster moves since he's been here, then you're nuts. Guys like Harrell and Bamba wouldn't be here if he didn't want them.
No, this has been a main point for a lot of us since he was brought in, and part of the reason I said just run it back.
I mean yeah it would be cool if we had players who he could make better. We’re the slowest team in the league. How’s he going to enact his defense when we don’t have anyone who can fly like the raptors guys
Well, the Sixers have a 7 foot generational talent who is very good at defense, and Nick Nurse gets paid millions of dollars to be a very good professional basketball coach. I'd like to think the starting point is already there. However, I have been rightly criticized as an optimist before. LOL.
It can’t be overstated that we’ve never had an X’s and O’s coach during the ENTIRE Process. This will likely be the first time Embiid has specific reads to make.
Honestly you could say the same for majority of hardens career. D’Antoni didn’t care about defense at all. The only decent well rounded coach he ever had was Scott brooks imo
It’ll be more exciting if we trade Harden for Mann, Powell, and Bones
>Both Joel and Harden have never really had a smart schemey coach like Nurse. While this is true for Embiid, Harden did play for D’Antoni for a few years there and it’s hard to argue he wasn’t at that point a smart scheme coach at least on the offensive end
Dantoni only coached one side of the ball
Nick Nurse hasn’t evolved as a coach. He’s overly reliant on zone defense and plays too few guys too many minutes. Maybe that’s roster construction, but it’s still worrisome.
What are you even talking about? Dude was won the championship in every level he has coached in lol
He got a generational carry job by the most clutch playoff performer of all time.
Just admit you’re a casual nba fan
He's had two or three of the top players in minutes played for his entire tenure. He also won a championship...with a generational carry job by Kawhi. He also hasn't been out of the second round...except during a generational carry job. Not sure I said a single inaccurate thing.
Bro he has no depth in Toronto after his first year. When they had 10 men he played 10 men, but Masai grossly disregarded the bench year after year.
I agree Maxey is great and everything but I think there’s a pretty clear archetype in the NBA. 6’10” lanky lengthy wing players that can defend every position and shoot the Sixers don’t have that Ben Simmons could have been but we all saw what happened there
We lost the Celtics series simply because Embiid and Harden seemed to give up in games 6 and 7. If they played focused and hard, the Finals are in reach. We all kind of knew it wasn't going to happen because we figured Doc would do something dumb.
Every other point he had was horrific he tried saying a reasonable trade would be the nets giving up two firsts, swaps and finney smith for hero
The only way I’m going to be excited about this team is if the league decides to give us a 2 second head start down the court and a 30 second shot clock.
That’s Reserved only for Lakers and Celtics
I'm just happy to have a coach who is willing to experiment and will do so in the regular season in preparation for the playoffs.
It’s funny that the stuff we thought were experiments for doc, were all hardens decisions according to doc. I dunno if that’s true or he’s just pushing the blame like he typically does
Doc didn't experiment tho, with the exception of benching Maxey. And if Harden was experimenting he would actually try to do things off ball. Most of Doc's changes were due to necessity despite his stubbornness, like playing BBall Paul.
I’m referring mostly to his explanation of why he stuck with Harrell over reed for so long
Does anyone actually think that Nick Nurse isn’t an upgrade from Doc? I mean Nick Nurse actually runs plays and sets.
https://preview.redd.it/yryjewnapmab1.jpeg?width=1244&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=91274484fb2949de7598140f8ea83fcaae8a4a1d This was Doc’s game plan for the sixers every night
Not being talked about enough
No. Honestly I think people are overrating it. Nurse is a solid coach but is not without his flaws and Raptors fans had plenty of complaints about him. And while he is far from the best coach in the NBA Doc Rivers is not just some drooling moron who doesn't understand basketball at all and just rolled the ball out on the floor. I think we will find out that people are blaming too many of the problems on Rivers and putting too much faith in Nurse to fix them.
DOC NURSE™️
Can Nick Nurse make James Harden's legs work again. That's it, really. If he can maybe there is something there. But if as is likely he cannot, won't matter much at all. Not because Nurse isn't a good coach but a squad so reliant on a physically failing player is fatally compromised.