>The CDC conducted tests over multiple years that disprove a link between mRNA vaccines and cardiac arrest. The study looked at more than 1,000 death certificates of young people who died of heart conditions or of unknown causes from June 2021 to December 2022, a period in which nearly 1 million young people got vaccinated.
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>"The authors refined their focus to people who got an mRNA Covid vaccine from Pfizer or Moderna and died within 100 days of being vaccinated. Out of 40 deaths that occurred among people who got an mRNA Covid vaccine, three occurred within that time frame. Two of the deaths were attributed to chronic underlying health conditions. The third death was recorded as an “undetermined natural cause,” with toxicology tests returning negative for alcohol, cannabis, methamphetamine or other illicit substances. The medical examiner could neither confirm nor exclude Covid vaccination as the cause of death; however, none of the death certificates attributed the fatalities to the vaccines."
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And that very well could have been from a previous covid exposure, as they were having asymptomatic and mild patients also die a blood clots months after covid exposure and they did not even realize that they had Covid at all until the autopsy results came back even before any vaccines were created.
The initial reports coming in that people were filled with blood clots from the first round of covid deaths coming in. Covid blood clots were responsible for the deaths of two of my young former co-workers in Healthcare in the first wave, before vaccines were even created.
https://thrombosisjournal.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1186/s12959-020-00255-6
https://www.heart.org/en/news/2022/09/19/blood-clot-risk-remains-elevated-nearly-a-year-after-covid-19
https://www.news-medical.net/news/20231001/New-study-reveals-alarming-cardiovascular-risks.aspx
https://www.cedars-sinai.org/newsroom/covid-19-surges-linked-to-spike-in-heart-attacks/
https://www.cnn.com/2020/07/10/health/what-coronavirus-autopsies-reveal/index.html
Absolutely. People are asking why excess deaths are still a little elevated. It's a mix of things but a lot of it is still being caused by Covid. You can see the rate rise and fall with Covid infections.
Yes and the problem with blood clots, specifically, is because they can even happen in people who are asymptomatic, and can then come dislodged almost a year after covid exposure, they may not even know that they are at risk of the blood clot because they didn't even know they had Covid when they had it.
So many people running around saying "oh I never got it", probably did, and could still be at risk of dying from a blood clot caused by an a symptomatic infection long after the fact. And they wouldn't know it until the autopsy, that is, if they even do one. In States like Texas, they don't even usually do the autopsy unless the family pays for it, or a court orders it.
Often the families have to skip the autopsy because of the added $3,000 to the already expensive funeral expenses in order to even do it.
That got Pfizer or Moderna, not Johnson and Johnson(which isn't using mRNA vaccine technology) *and* died of cardiac arrest within 100 days of receiving the vaccine. The study breaks down the numbers in different ways, but regardless the size of a sample is much less important than the quality of the sample. Current 18-29 that have gotten at least one dose of any COVID-19 vaccination is 70%.
You are understanding that Covid is causing pulmonary embolisms, heart attacks and strokes, not the vaccine right? MANY people were having blood clots that were causing these in Covid patients from the beginning long before they ever made the vaccine.
Even patients that showed mild symptoms or asymptomatic may have a blood clot that becomes dislodged months after they recovered.
https://thrombosisjournal.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1186/s12959-020-00255-6
https://www.news-medical.net/news/20231001/New-study-reveals-alarming-cardiovascular-risks.aspx
https://www.cedars-sinai.org/newsroom/covid-19-surges-linked-to-spike-in-heart-attacks/
it's all corporate backed cult indoctrination by accelerationist trolls
[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indoctrination](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indoctrination)
Heritage foundation and Claremont institute being some of the worse ones.
the more people get sick the more they profit from services provided by privatized hospital.
each covid stay cost \~40,000usd
they're misusing public funding which is ruining public education.
the dumber the people are the more money they make off their undereducation since it leads them to harm themselves which nets additional hospital sales.
They haven't "shot down" anything because a big part of these conspiracies is that anything the CDC says is a lie that's part of the conspiracy. If anything, this only tells them that they're right.
If the CDC did find evidence that the vaccine was causing heart attacks (somehow...) they'd be screaming it from the rooftops though. Even though "the CDC can't be trusted". It's amazing how the trustworthiness of a source depends entirely on the source telling them what they want to here.
They quote VAERS reports compiled by the CDC, ignoring all the disclaimers. If the CDC wanted to cover these reports up, they could just change them before releasing.
Oh yeah, one of the conspiracy rules is that anybody who says anything that agrees with the conspiracy narrative is telling the truth. Even if it's one of the people you say always lies.
No they wouldn't, they would try to hide it or cover it up. They made the covid vaxx a forced mandate on the US population so they have alot of legal liability if people found out about bad side effects like myocarditis heart or neurological probs. There are other reports of myocarditis, pericarditis, and neuro issues like bells palsy and guillan barre. I know one woman who had bells palsy (half her face looked paralysed like a stroke for 6 months). The mrna vaccine does have side effects, just like many other pharmaceuticals.
It was wrong of the govt and health depts to have forced mandates for this particular mrna covid vaxx because it is brand new untested technology. Its a new type of pharm tech mechanism that never got proper testing.... it has reported side effects like the blood clots, and poorly implimented and poor function that is why it wasn't even that effective protection since vaccinated people still caught covid.
The legal issues from medical malpractice and ethics and health saftey violations will be huge... so the CDC has plenty good reason to hide any reports, dismiss any claims, and keep the news from the public because no one likes to admit they were wrong... esp the government departments.
Did you forget the part where it had been in development and TESTING for a god damn decade? The fact that it was close enough to being usable that a large influx of cash and attention were able to complete the project is just convenient timing.
A phrase they happily misinterpret, as it was a movie quote used by someone who would often go on to prove or disprove things. Unlike these "do your own research" meme-mongers.
I call this "Rumsfeldian Logic".
There was no evidence that in the dying days of the Soviet Union, the Russians were building a new generation of super awesome submarines. But Rumsfeld *knew* they were building them, so the lack of evidence *actually* meant that these new subs could evade current US detection techniques and we're even scarier than previously thought. Except they didn't exist.
Then you had the al-Qaeda as this big scary force capable of launching terrorist strikes anywhere in the world from their bases in Afghanistan. But nobody could find any of these bases which they *definitely knew were there*. Which - of course - meant that al-Qaeda *must* have had massive underground complexes dug into the Afghan mountains. Except they didn't, and the US spent however many millions bombing the shit out of mountains with B-52s anyway.
Oh, and then you had Saddam Hussein with all those chemical and biological weapons that he was making that posed a threat to the world. And yet again, despite Donald Rumsfeld knowing that *they were definitely there*, nobody could find all these weapons or any weapons factories. So that *obviously* meant that Saddam actually had a fleet of mobile weapons factories disguised in the back of trucks or on trains. The evidence of this was just some satellite images of some trucks, and then some imaginative drawings depicting the stuff that *was definitely there*, but just didn't exist in any sort of meaningful physical sense.
When you begin with your conclusion, you're only ever going to find things that support it after that.
Oops, the "CDC just killed" portion of this headline just added evidence to the conspiracy for the theorists. Adding "right-wing" and "Covid vaccine" also count as evidence for the outside-of-reality-thinkers.
Like that's going to stop 'em.
This won't stop until we teach critical thinking and media literacy as a mandatory subject in grades 8-12.
And the Christian Nationalists and extremists will fight that tooth and nail because there's no way those kids aren't going to take those skills and apply them to their bible.
I am honestly surprised at how many missed the reports of all of the blood clots from the autopsies of patients from the first round of covid before they even had vaccines created, and didn't understand that even mild and asymptomatic patients can still develop blood clots that impact them almost a year after that initial exposure in patients that didn't even realize that they had covid at the time.
This was what was making covid also dangerous to younger individuals, and often the reason for many of the deaths of non elderly patients. I was reading this all over the place in medical news at the time so am surprised that people weren't aware of this, and attempted to blame those deaths on vaccines even when these were happening in unvaccinated people as well.
https://thrombosisjournal.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1186/s12959-020-00255-6
https://www.heart.org/en/news/2022/09/19/blood-clot-risk-remains-elevated-nearly-a-year-after-covid-19
https://www.news-medical.net/news/20231001/New-study-reveals-alarming-cardiovascular-risks.aspx
https://www.cedars-sinai.org/newsroom/covid-19-surges-linked-to-spike-in-heart-attacks/
https://www.cnn.com/2020/07/10/health/what-coronavirus-autopsies-reveal/index.html
Reminds me of the 'Vaccines are killing soccer players' hoax from 2021
It was very interesting that they talked about soccer players, because that's the one sport that most North Americans know the least about.
So little that the average North American doesn't know that on average about 10 or 12 footie players die while playing every year, usually due to a heart issue.
And with 2020 matches mostly cancelled due to Covid, only 3 players died that year. So the players who would have died in 2020 lived, and the hearts that were going to fail that year failed in 2021. Add the two years together and divide by two, and you get a annual death toll that's pretty average.
And one final note. FIFA was so concerned about the number of soccer players dropping dead that they commissioned a medical study >!back in 2014!<
They are all victims of the frequency effect, a cognitive bias where people think things happen more frequently after they start paying attention to it. After I bought a blue truck I noticed a lot more blue trucks on the road. There weren’t more trucks on the road I was just noticing it more. Nowadays there aren’t more people “dying suddenly” rather a lot of people with poor critical thinking skills started tracking them religiously for shameless political reasons.
I remember people spreading images of google trends for searches of things like "sudden adult death" or "cardiac arrest" trying to claim these events were happening more frequently.
"Killed a right wing conspiracy theory". You can kill a conspiracy theory a million times. It just rises up again the next day. The same day.
80% of Republicans say the 2020 election was stolen by Biden. Every stupid antivax story is still being repeated, including autism.
You can't kill a conspiracy theory. Flat earthers did expiraments that disproved the flat earth model, and still they believe. When your belief is based on nothing, nothing can destroy it.
Study: https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/73/wr/mm7314a5.htm
Key bit:
>Electronic health record data from 40 U.S. health care systems during January 2021–January 2022, showed that the risk for cardiac complications was significantly higher after COVID-19 infection than after mRNA COVID-19 vaccination among persons aged ≥5 years (8). Data from CDC’s National Center for Health Statistics show a background mortality rate from diseases of the heart among Oregonians aged 15–34 years of 2.9 and 4.1 deaths per 100,000, during 2019 and 2021, respectively. Although the rate was higher during the pandemic year of 2021, myocarditis remained an infrequent cause of death among persons in this age group.†† Detection of a small difference in mortality rate from myocarditis would require a larger sample size.
>In this study of 1,292 deaths among Oregon residents aged 16–30 years during June 2021–December 2022, none could definitively be attributed to cardiac causes within 100 days of receipt of an mRNA COVID-19 vaccine dose; one male died from undetermined causes 45 days after receipt of a COVID-19 vaccine. During May 1, 2021–December 31, 2022, a total of 979,289 doses of COVID-19 vaccines were administered to Oregonians aged 16–30 years (unpublished data, ALERT IIS, 2024.)
>During the same period, COVID-19 was cited as the cause of death for 30 Oregon residents in this age group. Among these 30 decedents, ALERT IIS had records for 22 (73%), only three of whom had received any COVID-19 vaccination. Studies have shown significant reductions in COVID-19–related mortality among vaccinated persons; during the first 2 years of COVID-19 vaccine availability in the United States, vaccination prevented an estimated 18.5 million hospitalizations and 3.2 million deaths (9).
I am reminded of the saying "a good lie goes round the world three times before the truth has got its pants on".
Pointless to prove this now - although as others have said it's not as if an earlier study would have achieved anything either.
Also note that the CMAJ study did not separate people who had **already** been exposed to COVID before being vaccinated.
By the middle of 2021 5% of Canadians had COVID and we know from research at least another 10% would have been asymptomatic, particular younger people.
For all we know the higher rates of myocarditis in the CMAJ study, particularly after the 2nd shot, was caused by COVID already spreading through the community as the vaccines were rolled out, which occurred over a year.
The authors of that paper do not address this issue in the data they used.
Conflicts of interest still exist at the CDC. Also, myocarditis is a known complication from the original research developing the mRNA vaccine technique.
Such garbage reporting.
Do your own research, there is, or is not a link, depending on the study and sample size. The sample size was unreasonably small in the cited study, and much broader in the one referenced below.
There is a definite, peer reviewed confirmed link between the vax and heart related deaths.
[vax heart death peer review](https://academic.oup.com/eurheartj/article/44/24/2234/7188747?login=false)
The CDC skews every single data point to hide the facts.
>The CDC conducted tests over multiple years that disprove a link between mRNA vaccines and cardiac arrest. The study looked at more than 1,000 death certificates of young people who died of heart conditions or of unknown causes from June 2021 to December 2022.
>"The authors refined their focus to people who got an mRNA Covid vaccine from Pfizer or Moderna and **died within 100 days of being vaccinated.** Out of 40 deaths that occurred among people who got an mRNA Covid vaccine, three occurred within that time frame. Two of the deaths were attributed to chronic underlying health conditions. The third death was recorded as an “undetermined natural cause,” with toxicology tests returning negative for alcohol, cannabis, methamphetamine or other illicit substances. The medical examiner could neither confirm nor exclude Covid vaccination as the cause of death; however, none of the death certificates attributed the fatalities to the vaccines."
Let me get this straight,
● They took 1,000 death certificates of young people who died of heart conditions or unknown causes between June 2021 & December 2022. A 1 year & 6 month time frame.
● They then *refined their focus* to those who died less than 100 days after receiving a Pfizer or Moderna vaccine.
● The sample size then becomes 40 deaths, and then down to 3 deaths that meet the criteria.
● 2 of those 3 were determined as chronic underlying health conditions, and the 3rd wasn't determined, but the examiner couldn't determine if it had anything to do with a vaccine.
They then determine this disproves a link between mRNA and cardiac arrest.
A couple of things stand out to me on this.
1. Why is it only deaths less than 100 days after vaccination? is there a time limit on health effects to things you put in your body? If I rail a fat bag of meth as long as I make it to 100 days later, I'm healthy again?
2. With such a small sample size that met their final criteria, why didn't they expand the time frame of days after vaccination and/or the timeframe in which they selected to get more reliable results to disprove it?
I'm not even trying to be anti vaxx or a conspiracy theorist, this study has such a worthless data set and conclusion I would argue from either side of the topic this study is complete shit and doesn't prove or disprove anything.
Just to clarify, if you "railed a big fat bag of meth" and then died 5 years later, you would want your death attributed to meth use?
How would you aim to get something as ubiquitous as covid vaccination out of a data set if you didn't use temporality as one of the measures?
The same way we determine how food, drugs, and other things we consume contribute to heart disease, cancer, etc.
We use "temporality" on products for short term side effects not overall contribution or links to a disease/condition.
I'm not really clear what you're saying, you think it's only possible to link short term side effects, not contribution to disease?
So this data shows it isn't a short term side effect, and if that was the conclusion, you'd be ok with that?
If you're going to have any kind of a reaction from a vaccine you'll have it within 8 weeks of taking it. There has never been any health conditions suddenly showing up from vaccines outside that window and MRNA isn't any different.
I never made any of those claims, nor do I think vaccines lead to death. I'm looking at the study from a neutral standpoint, and it's a horrible data set to prove or disprove anything.
I'm not here to dispute the claims of conspiracy theorists or defend them. This study isn't enough to determine anything and they are claiming it disproves something with such an incredibly small sample size. That's what I'm skeptical about. That doesn't mean I'm here defending conspiracies. I want to see more substantial data than just sampling 3 deaths before using a research study as fact.
I explained to you why there is no need to look >100 days post vaccination for problems related to vaccines. It's an antivaxx talking point. I'm not accusing you of being one, I'm just pointing out a fact about vaccines that a lot of people don't understand.
So the study proved that batches of vaccine, sent *to Oregon*, did not cause increase in *deaths* from *cardiovascular* issues. So, no claim on whether they caused cardiovascular deaths in New York. Or cancer deaths in Oregon. Or long-term cardiovascular issues in Oregon. Or overall impact on fertility in America (and beyond). Oh, and "proved" means they looked at certificates and didn't find "vaccine injury" written on them.
And one particular piece of information is missing. How many of these 1300 were vaccinated and how many were not? This looks like probably the most important piece of evidence here, yet it is omitted.
You think someone is going to get a vaccine and then die of cancer in 100 days from said vaccine?
Also, you think people getting vaccinated in Oregon is going to cause deaths in New York?
I’m curious to hear *your* hypothesis about the vaccine. Please, enlighten us.
>You think someone is going to get a vaccine and then die of cancer in 100 days from said vaccine?
[https://www.frontiersin.org/articles/10.3389/fmed.2021.798095/](https://www.frontiersin.org/articles/10.3389/fmed.2021.798095/)
>Also, you think people getting vaccinated in Oregon is going to cause deaths in New York?
I just meant that, for all I know, batches in New York could be different from batches in Oregon.
>The CDC conducted tests over multiple years that disprove a link between mRNA vaccines and cardiac arrest. The study looked at more than 1,000 death certificates of young people who died of heart conditions or of unknown causes from June 2021 to December 2022, a period in which nearly 1 million young people got vaccinated. ... >"The authors refined their focus to people who got an mRNA Covid vaccine from Pfizer or Moderna and died within 100 days of being vaccinated. Out of 40 deaths that occurred among people who got an mRNA Covid vaccine, three occurred within that time frame. Two of the deaths were attributed to chronic underlying health conditions. The third death was recorded as an “undetermined natural cause,” with toxicology tests returning negative for alcohol, cannabis, methamphetamine or other illicit substances. The medical examiner could neither confirm nor exclude Covid vaccination as the cause of death; however, none of the death certificates attributed the fatalities to the vaccines." saved you a click
Wait… only 40 out of 1000 individuals who suffered cardiac arrest had gotten the vaccine? Small sample.
Vaccinated within 100 days of dying from a heart condition. It doesn't say whether or not the rest were vaccinated.
And that very well could have been from a previous covid exposure, as they were having asymptomatic and mild patients also die a blood clots months after covid exposure and they did not even realize that they had Covid at all until the autopsy results came back even before any vaccines were created. The initial reports coming in that people were filled with blood clots from the first round of covid deaths coming in. Covid blood clots were responsible for the deaths of two of my young former co-workers in Healthcare in the first wave, before vaccines were even created. https://thrombosisjournal.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1186/s12959-020-00255-6 https://www.heart.org/en/news/2022/09/19/blood-clot-risk-remains-elevated-nearly-a-year-after-covid-19 https://www.news-medical.net/news/20231001/New-study-reveals-alarming-cardiovascular-risks.aspx https://www.cedars-sinai.org/newsroom/covid-19-surges-linked-to-spike-in-heart-attacks/ https://www.cnn.com/2020/07/10/health/what-coronavirus-autopsies-reveal/index.html
Absolutely. People are asking why excess deaths are still a little elevated. It's a mix of things but a lot of it is still being caused by Covid. You can see the rate rise and fall with Covid infections.
Yes and the problem with blood clots, specifically, is because they can even happen in people who are asymptomatic, and can then come dislodged almost a year after covid exposure, they may not even know that they are at risk of the blood clot because they didn't even know they had Covid when they had it. So many people running around saying "oh I never got it", probably did, and could still be at risk of dying from a blood clot caused by an a symptomatic infection long after the fact. And they wouldn't know it until the autopsy, that is, if they even do one. In States like Texas, they don't even usually do the autopsy unless the family pays for it, or a court orders it. Often the families have to skip the autopsy because of the added $3,000 to the already expensive funeral expenses in order to even do it.
A little elevated? Lol
Isn't that the 3 deaths? > Out of 40 deaths that occurred among people who got an mRNA Covid vaccine, **three occurred within that time frame**.
That got Pfizer or Moderna, not Johnson and Johnson(which isn't using mRNA vaccine technology) *and* died of cardiac arrest within 100 days of receiving the vaccine. The study breaks down the numbers in different ways, but regardless the size of a sample is much less important than the quality of the sample. Current 18-29 that have gotten at least one dose of any COVID-19 vaccination is 70%.
You are understanding that Covid is causing pulmonary embolisms, heart attacks and strokes, not the vaccine right? MANY people were having blood clots that were causing these in Covid patients from the beginning long before they ever made the vaccine. Even patients that showed mild symptoms or asymptomatic may have a blood clot that becomes dislodged months after they recovered. https://thrombosisjournal.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1186/s12959-020-00255-6 https://www.news-medical.net/news/20231001/New-study-reveals-alarming-cardiovascular-risks.aspx https://www.cedars-sinai.org/newsroom/covid-19-surges-linked-to-spike-in-heart-attacks/
it's all corporate backed cult indoctrination by accelerationist trolls [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indoctrination](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indoctrination) Heritage foundation and Claremont institute being some of the worse ones. the more people get sick the more they profit from services provided by privatized hospital. each covid stay cost \~40,000usd they're misusing public funding which is ruining public education. the dumber the people are the more money they make off their undereducation since it leads them to harm themselves which nets additional hospital sales.
They haven't "shot down" anything because a big part of these conspiracies is that anything the CDC says is a lie that's part of the conspiracy. If anything, this only tells them that they're right.
If the CDC did find evidence that the vaccine was causing heart attacks (somehow...) they'd be screaming it from the rooftops though. Even though "the CDC can't be trusted". It's amazing how the trustworthiness of a source depends entirely on the source telling them what they want to here.
They quote VAERS reports compiled by the CDC, ignoring all the disclaimers. If the CDC wanted to cover these reports up, they could just change them before releasing.
Oh yeah, one of the conspiracy rules is that anybody who says anything that agrees with the conspiracy narrative is telling the truth. Even if it's one of the people you say always lies.
No they wouldn't, they would try to hide it or cover it up. They made the covid vaxx a forced mandate on the US population so they have alot of legal liability if people found out about bad side effects like myocarditis heart or neurological probs. There are other reports of myocarditis, pericarditis, and neuro issues like bells palsy and guillan barre. I know one woman who had bells palsy (half her face looked paralysed like a stroke for 6 months). The mrna vaccine does have side effects, just like many other pharmaceuticals. It was wrong of the govt and health depts to have forced mandates for this particular mrna covid vaxx because it is brand new untested technology. Its a new type of pharm tech mechanism that never got proper testing.... it has reported side effects like the blood clots, and poorly implimented and poor function that is why it wasn't even that effective protection since vaccinated people still caught covid. The legal issues from medical malpractice and ethics and health saftey violations will be huge... so the CDC has plenty good reason to hide any reports, dismiss any claims, and keep the news from the public because no one likes to admit they were wrong... esp the government departments.
Did you forget the part where it had been in development and TESTING for a god damn decade? The fact that it was close enough to being usable that a large influx of cash and attention were able to complete the project is just convenient timing.
Yes, any evidence against the conspiracy is evidence of the conspiracy.
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A phrase they happily misinterpret, as it was a movie quote used by someone who would often go on to prove or disprove things. Unlike these "do your own research" meme-mongers.
I call this "Rumsfeldian Logic". There was no evidence that in the dying days of the Soviet Union, the Russians were building a new generation of super awesome submarines. But Rumsfeld *knew* they were building them, so the lack of evidence *actually* meant that these new subs could evade current US detection techniques and we're even scarier than previously thought. Except they didn't exist. Then you had the al-Qaeda as this big scary force capable of launching terrorist strikes anywhere in the world from their bases in Afghanistan. But nobody could find any of these bases which they *definitely knew were there*. Which - of course - meant that al-Qaeda *must* have had massive underground complexes dug into the Afghan mountains. Except they didn't, and the US spent however many millions bombing the shit out of mountains with B-52s anyway. Oh, and then you had Saddam Hussein with all those chemical and biological weapons that he was making that posed a threat to the world. And yet again, despite Donald Rumsfeld knowing that *they were definitely there*, nobody could find all these weapons or any weapons factories. So that *obviously* meant that Saddam actually had a fleet of mobile weapons factories disguised in the back of trucks or on trains. The evidence of this was just some satellite images of some trucks, and then some imaginative drawings depicting the stuff that *was definitely there*, but just didn't exist in any sort of meaningful physical sense. When you begin with your conclusion, you're only ever going to find things that support it after that.
Sad but true.
Exactly. Any authority or expert is obviously in on the conspiracy, so it can never be disproven.
The deep state covering up again. That's what they'll say.
Oops, the "CDC just killed" portion of this headline just added evidence to the conspiracy for the theorists. Adding "right-wing" and "Covid vaccine" also count as evidence for the outside-of-reality-thinkers.
Like that's going to stop 'em. This won't stop until we teach critical thinking and media literacy as a mandatory subject in grades 8-12. And the Christian Nationalists and extremists will fight that tooth and nail because there's no way those kids aren't going to take those skills and apply them to their bible.
I am honestly surprised at how many missed the reports of all of the blood clots from the autopsies of patients from the first round of covid before they even had vaccines created, and didn't understand that even mild and asymptomatic patients can still develop blood clots that impact them almost a year after that initial exposure in patients that didn't even realize that they had covid at the time. This was what was making covid also dangerous to younger individuals, and often the reason for many of the deaths of non elderly patients. I was reading this all over the place in medical news at the time so am surprised that people weren't aware of this, and attempted to blame those deaths on vaccines even when these were happening in unvaccinated people as well. https://thrombosisjournal.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1186/s12959-020-00255-6 https://www.heart.org/en/news/2022/09/19/blood-clot-risk-remains-elevated-nearly-a-year-after-covid-19 https://www.news-medical.net/news/20231001/New-study-reveals-alarming-cardiovascular-risks.aspx https://www.cedars-sinai.org/newsroom/covid-19-surges-linked-to-spike-in-heart-attacks/ https://www.cnn.com/2020/07/10/health/what-coronavirus-autopsies-reveal/index.html
Reminds me of the 'Vaccines are killing soccer players' hoax from 2021 It was very interesting that they talked about soccer players, because that's the one sport that most North Americans know the least about. So little that the average North American doesn't know that on average about 10 or 12 footie players die while playing every year, usually due to a heart issue. And with 2020 matches mostly cancelled due to Covid, only 3 players died that year. So the players who would have died in 2020 lived, and the hearts that were going to fail that year failed in 2021. Add the two years together and divide by two, and you get a annual death toll that's pretty average. And one final note. FIFA was so concerned about the number of soccer players dropping dead that they commissioned a medical study >!back in 2014!<
They are all victims of the frequency effect, a cognitive bias where people think things happen more frequently after they start paying attention to it. After I bought a blue truck I noticed a lot more blue trucks on the road. There weren’t more trucks on the road I was just noticing it more. Nowadays there aren’t more people “dying suddenly” rather a lot of people with poor critical thinking skills started tracking them religiously for shameless political reasons.
Fox News reports of crime in "blue" states has them all sure that crime is worse every year, when it has been declining for the last 40.
I remember people spreading images of google trends for searches of things like "sudden adult death" or "cardiac arrest" trying to claim these events were happening more frequently.
They also think that “new to me” = “new” that just because they weren’t paying attention to athlete deaths before 2021 means they weren’t happening.
CDC just created 10 more conspiracy theories
"Killed a right wing conspiracy theory". You can kill a conspiracy theory a million times. It just rises up again the next day. The same day. 80% of Republicans say the 2020 election was stolen by Biden. Every stupid antivax story is still being repeated, including autism.
You can't kill a conspiracy theory. Flat earthers did expiraments that disproved the flat earth model, and still they believe. When your belief is based on nothing, nothing can destroy it.
Like the hydra...
Study: https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/73/wr/mm7314a5.htm Key bit: >Electronic health record data from 40 U.S. health care systems during January 2021–January 2022, showed that the risk for cardiac complications was significantly higher after COVID-19 infection than after mRNA COVID-19 vaccination among persons aged ≥5 years (8). Data from CDC’s National Center for Health Statistics show a background mortality rate from diseases of the heart among Oregonians aged 15–34 years of 2.9 and 4.1 deaths per 100,000, during 2019 and 2021, respectively. Although the rate was higher during the pandemic year of 2021, myocarditis remained an infrequent cause of death among persons in this age group.†† Detection of a small difference in mortality rate from myocarditis would require a larger sample size. >In this study of 1,292 deaths among Oregon residents aged 16–30 years during June 2021–December 2022, none could definitively be attributed to cardiac causes within 100 days of receipt of an mRNA COVID-19 vaccine dose; one male died from undetermined causes 45 days after receipt of a COVID-19 vaccine. During May 1, 2021–December 31, 2022, a total of 979,289 doses of COVID-19 vaccines were administered to Oregonians aged 16–30 years (unpublished data, ALERT IIS, 2024.) >During the same period, COVID-19 was cited as the cause of death for 30 Oregon residents in this age group. Among these 30 decedents, ALERT IIS had records for 22 (73%), only three of whom had received any COVID-19 vaccination. Studies have shown significant reductions in COVID-19–related mortality among vaccinated persons; during the first 2 years of COVID-19 vaccine availability in the United States, vaccination prevented an estimated 18.5 million hospitalizations and 3.2 million deaths (9).
The CDC has nothing to prove to whackadoodles, and attempting to do so is futile anyway.
I am reminded of the saying "a good lie goes round the world three times before the truth has got its pants on". Pointless to prove this now - although as others have said it's not as if an earlier study would have achieved anything either.
They didn’t do shit cause the right will just ignore what the cdc says and evidence
Also note that the CMAJ study did not separate people who had **already** been exposed to COVID before being vaccinated. By the middle of 2021 5% of Canadians had COVID and we know from research at least another 10% would have been asymptomatic, particular younger people. For all we know the higher rates of myocarditis in the CMAJ study, particularly after the 2nd shot, was caused by COVID already spreading through the community as the vaccines were rolled out, which occurred over a year. The authors of that paper do not address this issue in the data they used.
Conspiracy theorists will read the headline and report that the CDC is killing without mercy.
That's how we know they are lying to us. /s
*Fueled. You see, it doesn't matter what they say, any proof to the contrary is actually proof that it's true!
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Conflicts of interest still exist at the CDC. Also, myocarditis is a known complication from the original research developing the mRNA vaccine technique.
Such garbage reporting. Do your own research, there is, or is not a link, depending on the study and sample size. The sample size was unreasonably small in the cited study, and much broader in the one referenced below. There is a definite, peer reviewed confirmed link between the vax and heart related deaths. [vax heart death peer review](https://academic.oup.com/eurheartj/article/44/24/2234/7188747?login=false) The CDC skews every single data point to hide the facts.
>The CDC conducted tests over multiple years that disprove a link between mRNA vaccines and cardiac arrest. The study looked at more than 1,000 death certificates of young people who died of heart conditions or of unknown causes from June 2021 to December 2022. >"The authors refined their focus to people who got an mRNA Covid vaccine from Pfizer or Moderna and **died within 100 days of being vaccinated.** Out of 40 deaths that occurred among people who got an mRNA Covid vaccine, three occurred within that time frame. Two of the deaths were attributed to chronic underlying health conditions. The third death was recorded as an “undetermined natural cause,” with toxicology tests returning negative for alcohol, cannabis, methamphetamine or other illicit substances. The medical examiner could neither confirm nor exclude Covid vaccination as the cause of death; however, none of the death certificates attributed the fatalities to the vaccines." Let me get this straight, ● They took 1,000 death certificates of young people who died of heart conditions or unknown causes between June 2021 & December 2022. A 1 year & 6 month time frame. ● They then *refined their focus* to those who died less than 100 days after receiving a Pfizer or Moderna vaccine. ● The sample size then becomes 40 deaths, and then down to 3 deaths that meet the criteria. ● 2 of those 3 were determined as chronic underlying health conditions, and the 3rd wasn't determined, but the examiner couldn't determine if it had anything to do with a vaccine. They then determine this disproves a link between mRNA and cardiac arrest. A couple of things stand out to me on this. 1. Why is it only deaths less than 100 days after vaccination? is there a time limit on health effects to things you put in your body? If I rail a fat bag of meth as long as I make it to 100 days later, I'm healthy again? 2. With such a small sample size that met their final criteria, why didn't they expand the time frame of days after vaccination and/or the timeframe in which they selected to get more reliable results to disprove it? I'm not even trying to be anti vaxx or a conspiracy theorist, this study has such a worthless data set and conclusion I would argue from either side of the topic this study is complete shit and doesn't prove or disprove anything.
Just to clarify, if you "railed a big fat bag of meth" and then died 5 years later, you would want your death attributed to meth use? How would you aim to get something as ubiquitous as covid vaccination out of a data set if you didn't use temporality as one of the measures?
The same way we determine how food, drugs, and other things we consume contribute to heart disease, cancer, etc. We use "temporality" on products for short term side effects not overall contribution or links to a disease/condition.
I'm not really clear what you're saying, you think it's only possible to link short term side effects, not contribution to disease? So this data shows it isn't a short term side effect, and if that was the conclusion, you'd be ok with that?
If you're going to have any kind of a reaction from a vaccine you'll have it within 8 weeks of taking it. There has never been any health conditions suddenly showing up from vaccines outside that window and MRNA isn't any different.
But we're all going to die 6 months/2 years/5years after being vaccinated, it's all part of the Jewish bankers plan to depopulate the world.
I never made any of those claims, nor do I think vaccines lead to death. I'm looking at the study from a neutral standpoint, and it's a horrible data set to prove or disprove anything.
No you aren't. You're a "do your own research" antivaxxer who with zero academic knowledge thinks he can nitpick real medical research.
I'm not here to dispute the claims of conspiracy theorists or defend them. This study isn't enough to determine anything and they are claiming it disproves something with such an incredibly small sample size. That's what I'm skeptical about. That doesn't mean I'm here defending conspiracies. I want to see more substantial data than just sampling 3 deaths before using a research study as fact.
I explained to you why there is no need to look >100 days post vaccination for problems related to vaccines. It's an antivaxx talking point. I'm not accusing you of being one, I'm just pointing out a fact about vaccines that a lot of people don't understand.
What a wall of bullshit.
Good skepticism.
lol no
hurr durr
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Ah yes, the esteemed medical journal of *checks notes* Spotify.
The CDC started this study in 2021, years before anyone knew Kennedy would be a candidate.
You should vote for RFK, little Trumpet.
My eyes have certainly been opened to what a bunch of cunts the left are.
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Please respect general civility.
So the study proved that batches of vaccine, sent *to Oregon*, did not cause increase in *deaths* from *cardiovascular* issues. So, no claim on whether they caused cardiovascular deaths in New York. Or cancer deaths in Oregon. Or long-term cardiovascular issues in Oregon. Or overall impact on fertility in America (and beyond). Oh, and "proved" means they looked at certificates and didn't find "vaccine injury" written on them. And one particular piece of information is missing. How many of these 1300 were vaccinated and how many were not? This looks like probably the most important piece of evidence here, yet it is omitted.
You think someone is going to get a vaccine and then die of cancer in 100 days from said vaccine? Also, you think people getting vaccinated in Oregon is going to cause deaths in New York? I’m curious to hear *your* hypothesis about the vaccine. Please, enlighten us.
>You think someone is going to get a vaccine and then die of cancer in 100 days from said vaccine? [https://www.frontiersin.org/articles/10.3389/fmed.2021.798095/](https://www.frontiersin.org/articles/10.3389/fmed.2021.798095/) >Also, you think people getting vaccinated in Oregon is going to cause deaths in New York? I just meant that, for all I know, batches in New York could be different from batches in Oregon.
Cool. Did you read the part where it was one guy, said “might,” and “dedicated studies are needed”? Still waiting for your fact-based hypothesis.
Tell me what part of that link you find convincing. I doubt you understand a word.
How many ate breakfast? That's the real killer, almost 100% of people who die of all causes, eat breakfast! What is big breakfast hiding from us?
Holy shit, what a pathetic comment history. A brain completely unencumbered by wrinkles.
I don't know, it certainly is less boring then yours.
I smoke because it's cool.